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In 1796, U.S. Vowed Friendliness With Islam
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Posted by ryuge 2006-11-07 02:05|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 And years later, thus came the BARBARY WARS + burning of the captured US frigate PHILADELPHIA.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-11-07 02:38||   2006-11-07 02:38|| Front Page Top

#2 Joe-
THANK YOU....the first war this nation fought - and it was to keep our vital ocean commerce open - was against Muslim pirates.
But we're not supposed allowed to remember that.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-11-07 05:22||   2006-11-07 05:22|| Front Page Top

#3 In 1796, U.S. Vowed Friendliness With Islam

And we were repaid by the enslavement and slaughter of our sailors.

Weird thing I've noticed: lots of books recently about the Islamic slave trade. Even saw a reasonably good show about it on one of the cable channels. Granted, the show had to work in the "charitable master" angle on the Arab slave trader -- never would have been made otherwise -- but they made it clear that the desert tribes didn't rescue shipwrecked sailors out of the kindness in their hearts.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-11-07 08:21|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-11-07 08:21|| Front Page Top

#4 In 1796, U.S. Vowed Friendliness With Islam

So. That was then, our eyes are open now. Well, some of us anyway. But more will notice, and they'll tell others. Islam, delenda est!
Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-07 08:39||   2006-11-07 08:39|| Front Page Top

#5 And Islam never vowed destroying the US.

Now I think it is time to reconsider that amendment: "the Congress will make no law in matter of religion". It was made thinking in Christain sects or at least on religions adhering to the Golden rule. But think in the Aztec cult! Do you still think: "it is a religion thus we have to allow it?".

Neither the people who wrote the Constitution or the their ancestors had had contacts with Aztecs or with Islam.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2006-11-07 09:17||   2006-11-07 09:17|| Front Page Top

#6 OOps should have read either

"And Islam vowed destroying eth US" or "Islam never vowed friendhip with the US".
Posted by JFM">JFM  2006-11-07 09:19||   2006-11-07 09:19|| Front Page Top

#7 JFM, you are welcome to move to America anytime you like. That's an official Rantburg invitation.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-11-07 09:33||   2006-11-07 09:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Now I think it is time to reconsider that amendment: "the Congress will make no law in matter of religion".

Good luck. I prefer the way we've done it. Each individual gets judged as an individual, not for where their family came from, what they believe, or what they look like. Just what they do. Behave OK? fine. Behave bad? pay for it. It's not like the French have set an exemplary standard in dealing with religious issues.

Now, furners? that's another kettle of fish all together.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-11-07 09:35||   2006-11-07 09:35|| Front Page Top

#9 That agreement was with the musselmen, not Muslims. The musselmen live underneath the earth along with the crab people. No story here.
Posted by Thoth 2006-11-07 09:55||   2006-11-07 09:55|| Front Page Top

#10 Mike, we fought several wars on the Indian frontier & the "Quasi War" with the French between the ratification of the constitution & the first Barbary War. The Barbary Wars were most certainly not the first anything, not even the first overseas war.
Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H.  2006-11-07 09:58|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2006-11-07 09:58|| Front Page Top

#11 President John Adams burns in hell
Posted by Icerigger 2006-11-07 11:33||   2006-11-07 11:33|| Front Page Top

#12 The Quasi War with France followed combat with Algiers, though rather one sided in the absence of an American Navy. One was constructed, but by then peace had been reached with Algiers, so it was put to use against our other reliable enemy, France.

Why Adams should burn in hell is a mystery to me.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-11-07 12:00||   2006-11-07 12:00|| Front Page Top

#13 Now I think it is time to reconsider that amendment: "the Congress will make no law in matter of religion".

Religion has nothing to do with this. Islam is a totalitarian political ideology, not a religion. Banning a sedititious, treasonous ideology should be child's play. Bush needs to wake up to this and rally national support for reclassification of Islam, elimination of its tax-free status and banning of its practice in the United States. Prohibition of the hijab, niqab and burqa should the very first move in making America Islam unfriendly.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-11-07 12:25||   2006-11-07 12:25|| Front Page Top

#14 But it claims to be a religion.

AMENDMENT XXVIII

1. Following Islam, including the teachings of Mohammed or the Koran shall not be considered a religion, but a foreign-based political movement.

2. Islam may be regulated by Congress and the States as any other foreign political movement.

3. Judicial rulings that Islam gains protection as a religion shall be an impeachable offense.
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2006-11-07 13:09|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2006-11-07 13:09|| Front Page Top

#15 Unbelievable that even waaaaay back then, our State Dept. was stabbing us in the back. Go read the entire article and see how some diplomat allowed a translation of an Arabic letter, which stated that the US was NOT founded on the religion of Christ, to be slipped into our treaty with the Musselmen back then. Of course, I want no part of a theocracy, either, but to deny the Judeo-Christian effects on our Founding Fathers is pure b.s. in my mind. Now, it's being used against us.
Posted by BA 2006-11-07 14:35||   2006-11-07 14:35|| Front Page Top

#16 The first treaty of friendship between the United States and another foreign territory was with Morocco in 1787. We've had pretty good relations with Morocco ever since. The problems with the Barbary Pirates was with Algeria and Tunisia. Today, we have problems with Wahabbists, Deobandists, and some Salafists. So does most of the rest of the world. Targeting those sects makes sense. Targeting other sects doesn't, until they prove they're part of the hate-America crowd. Let's don't make more enemies than are necessary. We really do need to wipe out the "leadership" in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, and much of Pakistan, though.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-11-07 15:16|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-11-07 15:16|| Front Page Top

#17 The problem, Old Patriot, is that a large majority of imams and clerics in mosques around the world are supplied by Saudi Arabia. They preach this Wahhabist bullshit and their congregations just lap it up. The situation has gotten out of control to the point where we would be safer to simply ban this dangerous ideology than to continue to let it be practiced in America. Even those groups who do not advocate terrorism still practice Abject Gender Apartheid. Until that stops, along with a host of other significant issues, Islam must go. I'd vote for Jackal's proposed amendment in a heartbeat. Islam must reform or die.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-11-07 15:37||   2006-11-07 15:37|| Front Page Top

#18 Nimble Spemble: the acts of war described in that article preceded the peace treaty in question, and were, after all, the source & impetus behind said treaty. New hostilities didn't break out between the pirate-emirates & the US until after the end of the Quasi-War, during the next adminstration.
Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H.  2006-11-07 16:15|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2006-11-07 16:15|| Front Page Top

#19 A great many other of the Sunni mosque leaders in the US come from the Moslimuniversity in Cairo, which apparently has a better reputation for learning than anything out of Saudi Arabia, but which has become increasingly strident over the years.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-11-07 23:11||   2006-11-07 23:11|| Front Page Top

#20 Note the common enemy mentioned by a number of astute posters here: Saudi Arabia.

When are we going to wake up and rid the world of this shithole.
Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-11-07 23:50|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com]  2006-11-07 23:50|| Front Page Top

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