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2006-12-17 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by tipper 2006-12-17 20:20|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Excellent article, tipper.

Some of the numerous gems:

Both bumbling groups may differ in the focus of their fretting, but fret they do. For the problem, as they have defined it, has to do with what is commonly stated as 'a statistically small group of Muslims around the world' who need to be dealt with in some manner so that greater Islam can get on with the historic task of being "a religion of peace and understanding."

Better known as the less desirable form of that proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.

Both positions, whether they focus on "giving" the benefits of the modern world to the West's Islamic populations spread out in its cities and nations, or "bringing" the same benefits to the center of Islamic mass in the Middle East, share the belief that Islam can be "fixed."

Theres that pesky light again. And it's still moving ...

It strikes me that a religion that doesn't view itself as broken is unlikely to take kindly to the notion that it needs fixing.

Maybe that explains the complete and total absence of any reformation.

What if, as has been repeatedly stated by Islamic spokesmen in their media and their capitols and their mosques, Islam has neither the interest in nor the capacity for assimilation?

Good question.

What if Islam continues, as it has for many centuries, to be implacably hostile to the West?
What if, in a series of increasingly violent incidents coming quickly over a relatively short number of years, what we so tenderly term "Islamic radicals" continue to attack the cities and nations in which large numbers of Muslims live in relative isolation from the body politic, and it is known that those attacking come from and fade back into these unassimilated populations?

This has already been happening for the past five years.

This society can even ride out the killing by weapons of mass destruction of any kind of a number of cities. America, Europe, and Western Civilization can survive anything the radical Islamists can throw at us.

Optimistic, but I'll roll with it.

The society that will have much more difficulty surviving with its cherished "values" intact will be what happens to the global society of Islam should it continue to attack the West with increasing ferocity.

Which is why Islams very survival hinges upon radical reformation and not any sort of gradual evolution.

A common catch phrase of Marxism is that "The capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him." I dread the coming catch phrase, "The Muslim will supply the West with the excuse to eradicate Islam," but that is clearly lurking in one of our possible futures; a future that although unthinkable is not inconceivable.

Unreformed Islam can no more reverse this than it can make rivers run uphill.

A second series of attacks on America at the level of 9/11 or greater will not bring out more B-52s. They are already out. A second series will bring out the one arm of America's war machine that has rarely been asked about, written about, or even mentioned in passing since September, 2001; the ballistic missile submarines.

With a barely audible hiss, the sword quietly slides from its scabbard.

But the cold fact is that should America or the West feel its way of life and the lives of its citizens are sufficiently threatened by Islam these weapons will, in the end, be used against the Muslim centers of mass; cities in the middle-east or elsewhere where Muslims are the majority of the population. This is not some "Strangelovian" fantasy, but a very real option on the table of realpolitik. If you think our ballistic missile submarines don't carry the targeting information for these cities, think again.

I wouldnt dream of thinking otherwise. Thank goodness our military doesnt either.

This is why I still deeply believe that the current effort in Iraq and the Middle East to counter and expunge Islamic terrorism and turn Islam from the road it is on towards one of reformation and assimilation is the best path that can be taken at this time. Indeed, for all the ineptitude of the current administration, for all the expense in treasure and lives, this shoot-the-moon, Hail Mary of a foreign policy in Iraq is not just a policy to make America safer at home. It is the only thing that stands between Islam and its own destruction.

I could not agree more.

Sometime shortly after 9/11 in an online forum I frequented then, an exasperated idealist proclaimed that "After all, you can't kill a billion Muslims." Like so many others he spoke from somewhere outside History. History, especially the world's most recent history, shows us all how wrong that statement is. The hard truth is rather that, "Yes, if you really want to, you can."

I could not agree more.

And that is the most terrible and terrorizing thought of the 21st century.

I could not disagree more. The most terrible and terrorizing thought of the 21st century is a half-dead world shackled and chained by the sharia law of a 7th century retrograde religion.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-17 21:22|| 2006-12-17 21:22|| Front Page Top

#2 "Ride out the killing" - Asymmetric Warfare > the greatest harm or damage that can be achieved is what a Nation = Gubmint DOES TO ITSELF, notsomuch at the ahnd sof its enemies. RUSSIA-CHINA is engaging in econ + resources AW, where all flows lead to Moscow-Beijing. THE US DEMOLEFT AGENDA OF PC/PDENIABLY "INCREASING SOCIALISM AT HOME, WEAKEN THE USA OVERSEAS" is consistent wid abovesame AW and GORBACHEV'S
"CHLDREN FEED THE MOTHER" strategem vv Russia-China + SCO.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-12-17 22:01|| 2006-12-17 22:01|| Front Page Top

#3 The only thing is, this is the program President Bush is in the process of executing: giving the Muslims a chance to demonstrate that they needn't all be killed in order for the rest of us to be safe. If the Iraqis and Afghanis can learn to live peacefully together and peacefully with us, then there is hope for the rest. If not, then only Jewish Israel will remain after the firestorm... which is why I hope desperately that we're building up a stock of daisycutters and such -- a nuclear holocaust will likely render Israel uninhabited as well, if my meager understanding is correct.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-12-17 22:24|| 2006-12-17 22:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Sadly, your capable understanding is quite correct, tw. This is why I've always advocated using conventional weapons unless we have no alternative. Worst of all is how Islam will quite possibly give us no alternative.

Yes, Bush is doing pretty much what the article outlines. I'd prefer he migrated away from espousing the Religion of Peace [spit] meme, but that's just me. What can only be speculated upon is how clearly Bush understands that unreformed Islam will most likely necessitate a Muslim holocaust.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-17 22:32|| 2006-12-17 22:32|| Front Page Top

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