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2007-03-31 Terror Networks
U.S rejects deal to swap British sailors for captured Iranians
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Posted by Ebbeanter Ulemp4173 2007-03-31 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6508 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 And they should refuse, don't give into their demands. They are terrorists.
Posted by Flolumble Elmuling1667 2007-03-31 00:06||   2007-03-31 00:06|| Front Page Top

#2 So when's Bush gonna open up the Eastern Front? just wanting to know when to invest in oil stock.
Posted by Glise Mussolini9030 2007-03-31 00:31||   2007-03-31 00:31|| Front Page Top

#3 What an appropriate nic for a lefty troll, marching, chanting, conformist blackshirts that they are. As to your question, Glise, just find out where Rosie and the 9-11 truthers are putting their Islamo bribe money. They seem to be your authorities for everything else.

Personally, I am investing in rope manufacturers. We will need lots of it after an Iranian nuke goes off here.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 01:08||   2007-03-31 01:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Where does it say that Irant wanted such an exchange (hint: it doesn't)
Posted by Captain America 2007-03-31 01:16||   2007-03-31 01:16|| Front Page Top

#5 Personally, I am investing in rope manufacturers. We will need lots of it after an Iranian nuke goes off here.

Don't want to waste any of that expensive ammo. Eh, AC?

Good to see the USA is making Britain address the problem themselves. We'll be there to help do some of the heavy lifting, I'm sure. But no up front assets go into the pot. The Limeys must find their spine.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 01:18||   2007-03-31 01:18|| Front Page Top

#6 OFF TOPIC: Is it just me or does the whole concept of 9-11 "truthers" make you want to vomit and then vomit all over again? The entire notion is just so insanely warped and perverted that it eludes me how anyone can possibly be so lamebrain as to accept it.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 01:22||   2007-03-31 01:22|| Front Page Top

#7 Z, a few of my comments from LGF yesterday might be relevant:

Truthers' right to lie

Civil War 2, evil morons vs. Everyone Else.

Lefties, Islamos, and Truthers as endangered species
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 01:34||   2007-03-31 01:34|| Front Page Top

#8 We've been told the Eastern front is where German troops crossed Switzerland to get to. Then the "World Socialist Web Site" served as factual reference: The standpoint of this web site is one of revolutionary opposition to the capitalist market system. Its aim is the establishment of world socialism. That was provided as a source of facts, and nobody protested. I had thought this was a forum for reasonable people, adhering to reality instead of indulging in various derangement syndromes. Good bye.
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2007-03-31 02:23||   2007-03-31 02:23|| Front Page Top

#9 Kalle, what are you going on about?
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 02:35||   2007-03-31 02:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Well, that was odd.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 02:36||   2007-03-31 02:36|| Front Page Top

#11 Mistaken crossposting that belongs to another site? Otherwise it does not make a smidget of sense.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-03-31 02:41||   2007-03-31 02:41|| Front Page Top

#12 Maybe Joe could make sense of it for us.
Posted by gorb 2007-03-31 02:42||   2007-03-31 02:42|| Front Page Top

#13 A dustup from last evening. Come back soonest Kalle.
Posted by Shipman">Shipman  2007-03-31 02:46||   2007-03-31 02:46|| Front Page Top

#14 So when's Bush gonna open up the Eastern Front?

I'd wager it was Benito's post that tripped Kalle's trigger.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 02:50||   2007-03-31 02:50|| Front Page Top

#15 Cue terror groupies peace protesters blaming America for the failure to secure the release of our troops.
Posted by Sonar 2007-03-31 02:54||   2007-03-31 02:54|| Front Page Top

#16 Jeebus, AC! I don't know whether to thank you or insult you for linking to Rosie's truther meltdown. Worst of all was the applause that she was getting. I wish there was some way to allow these loons to clearly see just how wretched and moronic they actually are. Meanwhile, I still feel like vomiting.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 03:12||   2007-03-31 03:12|| Front Page Top

#17 Kalle, the "World Socialist Web Site" on the face of it, without ever going there, has to be something completely unbelievable. It's like relying on Ted Rall for facts. Sometimes a)we don't read all the articles, or b)think the argument is so damned stupid it doesn't merit a reply. Either way, the 'Burg is "a forum for reasonable people, adhering to reality instead of indulging in various derangement syndromes."
So don't take offense where none was intended.
Posted by Mac 2007-03-31 04:47||   2007-03-31 04:47|| Front Page Top

#18 Yes, 'truthers' disgusting. That meme is growing. Front page of some alterno mag in a Darwin newsagent yesterday had 9/11 conspiracy as front page photo.

ON IRAN:
The Brits were abducted in the Shatt al-Arab waterway.

Access to this area was what prompted Saddam to invade Iran in the 1980s.

Iran is posturing for dominance in the region as it can smell US withdrawal (as congress trying to put a date on).

The message Iran is sending IMHO is not just to the US (We can block the straits of Hormuz if you don't play ball) but also to the people of Iraq.

The people of Iraq well remember losing a million citizens in the Iran-Iraq war.

When the US leaves, Iran will attempt either a land grab (i think) or else set up a Shi'ite puppet ruler in Iraq.

Iran will go on posturing for dominance as it sees the US withdrawal of Iraq as a way to finally win the temporarily suspended Iran-Iraq war.

It might be remembered, it was Iranian intelligence on WMD that was partly relied on to make the casus belli for invading Iraq.

Those clever Mullahs have got a sweet cherry out of our efforts.

Short of war with Iran, I don't see a way the West can stop them.

What do you guys think of this situation strategically?




Posted by anon1 2007-03-31 05:21||   2007-03-31 05:21|| Front Page Top

#19 I think I'll check my astronomical charts to see what phase the moon is in.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-03-31 07:19||   2007-03-31 07:19|| Front Page Top

#20 Makes one wonder how anyone in their right mind could fail to connect the dots with how Iran's "hostage and leverage" falls into play; when it perfects and readies its bomb technology…

But as far as strategy; it looks like a serious war 'step up' is going on today, along the Iran/Iraq border...

And (believe it or not) we also have a 'Pelosi watch’... US Congress continues to ‘over-step' and micro-manage the war by meandering on in (with camera-crews) to play into the hand of the Syrian enemy… Ignoring Bush, Pelosi Going to Syria :/
Posted by MB 2007-03-31 08:16||   2007-03-31 08:16|| Front Page Top

#21 Truthers need to read Popular Mechanics

Physics is just another Bush plot

Linky

Posted by BrerRabbit 2007-03-31 08:37||   2007-03-31 08:37|| Front Page Top

#22 Linky no work. My bad.

http:/www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html
Posted by BrerRabbit 2007-03-31 08:38||   2007-03-31 08:38|| Front Page Top

#23 Linked to that article twice off of LGF and Internet shut down. ???
Posted by Jules 2007-03-31 09:03||   2007-03-31 09:03|| Front Page Top

#24 Full moon tomorrow night, Ship. They'll be out in force.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2007-03-31 10:13||   2007-03-31 10:13|| Front Page Top

#25 Ooh. Full moon tomorrow already.

Unfortunately, that seems a little to soon for meaningful action.
Posted by Mike N. 2007-03-31 10:23||   2007-03-31 10:23|| Front Page Top

#26 "just wanting to know when to invest in oil stock."

If you missed Jan 03, you missed the bus.
Posted by doc 2007-03-31 10:48||   2007-03-31 10:48|| Front Page Top

#27 
Now that you've had your 100 yrs, La Bella Pelosi, What are you going to do next?
I'm going to Syria!
Posted by doc 2007-03-31 10:53||   2007-03-31 10:53|| Front Page Top

#28 I actually am heartened that the troll could look at a map or a globe and figure out which direction Iran is in... at least something useful came from his days spent in the madrassa.
Now if he can only figure out how much change back for my value meal without looking at the cash register, I would be most impressed. (you can even use your fingers if you need to)
Posted by Capsu 78 2007-03-31 12:38||   2007-03-31 12:38|| Front Page Top

#29 Truthers = mentally ill. Their name is ironic, because truth is the last thing they are interested in. There is something wrong in their core that is forcing them to go that deep into denial. Maybe its that they simply cannot accept that people are as hate filled and evil as our enemies are. They simply cannot accept that people hate us enough to kill. They maintain that our enemies are just like us, yet the enemy proves the opposite in their words and deeds on a daily basis (car bombs with infants strrapped in them, etc) - so something has to give. Rather than give up their core beleif that "all people are the same, everyone is like me" they are forced into the delusional world where conspriacies give them a handy object to blame and an escape mechanism from the truth. Just liek a schizphrenic constructs fantasies that wllo him to deny the reality aroudn him, these folks are constructing the same thing to protect a "truth" they hold dear and cannot reconcile with the real world.

Want to know the truth they cannot handle? Evil exists, its real, and it will come and get you unless you fight it. And as a corallary, good exists and is objective, not subjective nor relative.

That's whats killing these folks. Look and see the "truthers" tend to be moral relativists who refuse to beleive that good and evil are objective and absolute - and most tend to be non-religious or heterodox if they are religious, leaving them no "support" mechanism (God, reason) to turn to , so they instead turn to other ways out.

Orthodox believers in God tend to innately grasp that there is good and there is evil and that those are aboslutes - and they have Faith to carry them though. Even hardcore rational agnostics and rational atheists have reason to fall back on.

These poor souls in the "truther" camp have none of that, which is why they accept such far fetched irrational things are reality - since they cannot adequately deal with what true reality has for them.
Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-31 13:15||   2007-03-31 13:15|| Front Page Top

#30 Folks, if you read the linked BBC article, the text does not support the headline. There is no mention of the Irantians wanting to exchange for the captured Irantians.
Posted by Captain America 2007-03-31 13:28||   2007-03-31 13:28|| Front Page Top

#31 No but there is a US denial, probably in response to a provocative, hypothetical question from the beeb that should not have been answered.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-03-31 13:43||   2007-03-31 13:43|| Front Page Top

#32 I agree that truthers are mentally ill. The biggest problem that we have faced since the 1960's is that the media complex has presented the mentally ill as sane. They are given all of the limelight. Want exposure? Do what the Dixie Chix did. I happen to know for a fact that many very popular celebrities have actively supported the troops. You will NEVER see it in print. But any negative comment, any snide remark is given 24/7 coverage - usually co-inciding with a new release. Pavlov would be so proud.

Notice how the media complex has done little to shine the light on the Dianne Feinstein issue? Why do you think that is?

For 30 years we have had the lunatics in charge of the media asylum and 2 generations later, it has taken it's toll on our once great society. Thirty years ago there would have been such outrage at Rosie's deranged comments she would have been fired immediately. Today she is allowed her frothing lunatic say and granted respect for having the "guts" to say it.

It's a crazy world we live in. So crazy that it has become extremely dangerous. For the first time in years, I have felt pangs of fear about the future.
Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 13:48||   2007-03-31 13:48|| Front Page Top

#33 For the first time in years ever, I have felt pangs of fear about the future.
Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 13:50||   2007-03-31 13:50|| Front Page Top

#34 "Truthers = mentally ill. Their name is ironic, because truth is the last thing they are interested in. There is something wrong in their core that is forcing them to go that deep into denial."

That much I definitely agree with. Amen.

"Maybe its that they simply cannot accept that people are as hate filled and evil as our enemies are. They simply cannot accept that people hate us enough to kill."

Sometimes I wonder-- is it that, or is it that they need to believe their "truthy" bullshit to justify, and give structure to, their own irrational hatred of Bush, of Republicans, and of "flyover country" Americans in general? Whenever I read their crap, what jumps out at me more than anything else is how deeply and profoundly alienated these people are.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2007-03-31 13:52||   2007-03-31 13:52|| Front Page Top

#35 "For the first time ever, I have felt pangs of fear about the future."

You're not the only one.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2007-03-31 13:55||   2007-03-31 13:55|| Front Page Top

#36 Sometimes I wonder-- is it that, or is it that they need to believe their "truthy" bullshit to justify, and give structure to, their own irrational hatred

wonder no more.

what jumps out at me more than anything else is how deeply and profoundly alienated these people are.

I don't think they are alienated. I know too many of them to believe that the case. Instead they have found sanctuary, commraderie and acceptance by espousing these beliefs. There is no conviction behind these beliefs. If Nancy Pelosi and the media complex told them tomorrow to wave the flag - they'd be there, ready to party, flags in hand.
Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 14:19||   2007-03-31 14:19|| Front Page Top

#37 Sometimes I wonder-- is it that, or is it that they need to believe their "truthy" bullshit to justify, and give structure to, their own irrational hatred of Bush, of Republicans, and of "flyover country"

I think they just want to be one of the cool kids.
Posted by Shipman">Shipman  2007-03-31 14:23||   2007-03-31 14:23|| Front Page Top

#38 There is something wrong in their core that is forcing them to go that deep into denial. Maybe its that they simply cannot accept that people are as hate filled and evil as our enemies are. They simply cannot accept that people hate us enough to kill. They maintain that our enemies are just like us, yet the enemy proves the opposite in their words and deeds on a daily basis (car bombs with infants strrapped in them, etc) - so something has to give. Rather than give up their core beleif that "all people are the same, everyone is like me" they are forced into the delusional world where conspriacies give them a handy object to blame and an escape mechanism from the truth.

Word, OldSpook. This is the triumph of moral relativism over reason. I'm beginning to think that moral relativism is a greater poison than Political Correctness or Multiculturalism.

Moral relativism is a sort of fundamentalist interpretation of: "All men are created equal". In truth, all men are not created equal. Some are born blind, others disfigured or crippled. There are few chances that they will ever become astronauts or brain surgeons.

None of this changes the elementary fact that all of these men are created equal under the eyes of the law: Which is how I read this particular passage. Moral relativists so badly want an ultimately homogenized society of one-size-fits-all thinking and moralistic norms that they willingly subsume the vast gulfs between cultures and individual intentions in order to do so. All men, regarless of intent or ability, are created equal. Period. Moral relativism's revival tent is suddenly so large it threatens to collapse and smother all inside.

Want to know the truth they cannot handle? Evil exists, its real, and it will come and get you unless you fight it. And as a corallary, good exists and is objective, not subjective nor relative.

Bingo. Moral relativism's Pollyannaish mentality is shattered by having to recognize that evil really exists. In an intense irony, by refusing to accept the existence of evil, the moral relativists bring it about themselves. As the old saying goes about all that is necessary for evil to succeed, so we have what could be good people instead turning their back on the fight in a vague but disquieting hope that evil simply can be wished away.

It is this morally relativistic one-size-fits-all mentality that is entirely unfazed by the short migration over to Multiculturalism. Suddenly, all people, cultures, faiths and governments are equally good. Communism and Capitalism become interchangeable, Muslims and Methodists are the same and Shiites and Scandinavians are merely brothers separated at birth.

When this fallacious worldview became threatened — quite an easy thing to do as it turns out — the moral relativists cobbled up their most potent weapon: Namely, the Newspeak of modern day Political Correctness. Waiter and Waitress become Waitron. A massive leveling of the language — well suited to one-size-fits-all thinking — is thrown into high gear and uncomfortable words, thoughts and ideas are ushered out of the arena of political discussion.

Yesterday’s Rantburg article, "EU: Don't confuse terrorism with Islam" is a monument to this sort of thinking. Included were such gems as:

One alternative, suggested publicly last year, is for the term "Islamic terrorism" to be replaced by "terrorists who abusively invoke Islam".

This is a forcible attempt to decouple Islam and terrorism, as though merely doing so will put and end to this barbaric scourge. Thus begins moral relativism’s disconnect from reality. Political Correctness detaches us from the terms and concepts we need to address and combat the threats we face. This sort of philosophical disarmament — more a sort of dismemberment, really — is the hallmark of wishing away the discomforting notions that loom over such puerile thinking.

As the moral relativists seek to install their masterwork of Multiculturalism, they simultaneously betray the very constitutional rights and liberties that enabled them to attempt such a monstrous distortion of reality in the first place. Others, who are well aware of this betrayal, with increasing frequency, are beginning to recognize it as nothing less than treason.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 15:24||   2007-03-31 15:24|| Front Page Top

#39 Pavlov would be so proud.

For some strange reason that name rings a bell.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 15:32||   2007-03-31 15:32|| Front Page Top

#40 Rosie stated that 'it was the first time that fire melted steel.' indicating how ridiculous to believe that the plane crash fires had actually melted the steel structure of the Twin Towers.

Widly known fact: (specially for you, Rosie)
Iron and steel are prepared in a molton state in various blast furnaces to be poured into casts or drawn through shapes while pliable until finish dimentions are achieved. These blast furnaces contain flames played on the crucible of metal to cause melting. The first time this was tried was in the copper age, in what, 5,000 BC ?
Posted by wxjames 2007-03-31 15:58||   2007-03-31 15:58|| Front Page Top

#41 Heh. Yeah, that plus the issue was fire weakening the steel, not literally melting it. If Rosie had a brain, she'd realize structural steel in a building like that are clad in insulating material for a damn good reason: when steel gets hot, it loses strength.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2007-03-31 16:11||   2007-03-31 16:11|| Front Page Top

#42 correct, and deformation approaches the inelastic range, like Rosie's undergarments
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2007-03-31 16:43||   2007-03-31 16:43|| Front Page Top

#43 "Others, who are well aware of this betrayal, with increasing frequency, are beginning to recognize it as nothing less than treason."

Very true Zenster. It's also a betrayal of Humanity itself. Populist and faddist delusion of the unthinking crowd.

For many years now this very perversion has been exported as a devious fad elsewhere as well to feed the kneejerk anti-Americanism such as may be found in SE Asia too.
Posted by Duh! 2007-03-31 16:58||   2007-03-31 16:58|| Front Page Top

#44 The first of the three comments I linked in #7 will not go to the comment itself for some reason. The other two work ok and are followups to the first. Here is the first one:

I predicted 20 years ago that paranoid conspiracy theories would one day become a major factor in national and world politics. We are seeing that happen before our very eyes. Saturation media can turn many minds and the education system has wilfully failed to teach logic and critical thinking to anything resembling an adequate degree.

Thanks to decades of media indoctrination, millions of Americans literally do not know what "free speech" means. The media culture's self-serving definitions of the term have displaced common law and Constitutional definitions, with the result that open sedition, treason, and (ironically) the suppression of genuine dissent are taken for granted.
As a refresher for some of Rosie's defenders, the Constitution does not guarantee freedom from criticism, opposition, or ridicule; it does not guarantee the right to the forum of one's choice; and it does not guarantee the right to be taken seriously.

It especially does not provide for the right to silence one's critics, as leftists invariably advocate when they characterize opposition as an attack on their rights, a criminal offense. We saw this last year from idiot Dixie Chick defenders here in Lubbock and this attempt at criminalization of anti-leftist opinions is the unvarying response of left-conformists to all criticism.

There are limits on free speech, and on the right to free speech. Rosie may endorse moronic conspiracy lies that exist only to facilitate mass terrorism, but ABC is quite within its rights to fire her for it, and people are not criminals for urging them to do so.
Anyone who says otherwise is a self-declared totalitarian, a tool of Middle Eastern savages, and an enemy of the United States.

I have the right of free speech, too, lefties. Don't like it? Come and get me. I'm waiting.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 17:08||   2007-03-31 17:08|| Front Page Top

#45 If it's a global cancer, how do you expect to survive a civil war? Or are you thinking 'scorched earth'?
Posted by Lionel Phusoper8019 2007-03-31 17:33||   2007-03-31 17:33|| Front Page Top

#46 (Rosie) I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain

I'd unravel any riddle
For any individ'le
In trouble or in pain

(Dorothy)
With the thoughts you'd be thinkin'
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain

(Rosie)
Oh, I would tell you why
The ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I'd sit and think some more

I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain
Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 17:37||   2007-03-31 17:37|| Front Page Top

#47 Explain your reasoning. How would the conspiracy movement's being a global cancer make my survival impossible?

I may not survive, in fact, but conspiracy believers are stupid and irrational by definition. Their own ignorance and hubris will destroy them. It is therefore their survival that is less likely.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 17:41||   2007-03-31 17:41|| Front Page Top

#48 re: #45

One battle at a time, as all wars are waged and won.
Posted by Albemarle Unavimp5200 2007-03-31 17:46||   2007-03-31 17:46|| Front Page Top

#49 think of drunk drivers - it's always his passenger and the other driver in his own lane that wind up around a tree. The drunk always wakes up to survey his carnage and say, "bummer, Dude".
Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 17:46||   2007-03-31 17:46|| Front Page Top

#50 I am willing to bet my life that reason will triumph. I do it every time I get in an airplane or take my cardiac meds.
How many are willing to bet their lives that the evil Bush gang blew up the WTC?
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 17:47||   2007-03-31 17:47|| Front Page Top

#51 Has anyone got any ideas why people like Rosie are so susceptible to every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike? Personally I think it's because they are so far removed from practical decisions when it comes to conflict that they have lost their edge. And of course it's human nature to resist the idea that you have spent your entire life so far only to come to a stupid conclusion.

Personally, I think conflict is part and parcel of being human, and that when it is removed then bad things will happen. My grandmother once made the comment that mental problems diminished during WWII. Hmm.
Posted by gorb 2007-03-31 18:15||   2007-03-31 18:15|| Front Page Top

#52 Goeb, I think it's because they have so little intelligence they can't possibly imagine the world as it really is. Rosie can't imagine that heat melts steel. Why? because she lacks the intelligence to rationally confront the realities. It's like the person who opposed the construction of a dairy farm near her home. When asked where she thought milk came from she said, "I go to the grocery store and buy it". There is no connection between the actual production of something and getting the finished product in the store.
I could wile away the hours
just pissin on the flowers
And cussin' at the rain the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain
You could be another Lincoln
If you could keep your feet from stinkin'
If I only had a brain.
This is an example of The Scarecrow Principle. You don't need an education, all you need is a diploma!
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2007-03-31 18:26||   2007-03-31 18:26|| Front Page Top

#53 gorb,
Psychologically, conspiracist beliefs rationalize helplessness and relieve feelings of inferiority. Rosie is a ruthless media beast and probably does not have these feelings herself, just as she probably does not believe her own claims. She is pandering to her audience.
The actual conspiracy dupe can tell itself
"it is not my fault that I can't understand complex issues, they're bogus anyway."
"People who seem smarter than me really aren't, they are being taken in by a conspiracy or they are part of it."
"It is not my fault I have failed, the all-knowing conspiracy stacks the deck."

In People of the Lie, the brilliant psychiatrist M. Scott Peck said that "the avoidance of responsibility is the root of all mental illness." I think he hit the nail on the head.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2007-03-31 18:39||   2007-03-31 18:39|| Front Page Top

#54 "the avoidance of responsibility is the root of all mental illness."

Innnnnteresting! I have to mull upon that.
Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 18:50||   2007-03-31 18:50|| Front Page Top

#55 Rosie is a ruthless media beast whore

There, fixed your typo.
Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-31 18:53||   2007-03-31 18:53|| Front Page Top

#56 "Has anyone got any ideas why people like Rosie are so susceptible to every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike?"

Stupidity.
Ignorance.
Bigotry.
Immaturity.
Superstition.
Insanity.
Bad genes.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2007-03-31 19:09||   2007-03-31 19:09|| Front Page Top

#57 What is everyone expecting of the Britts; lets face it, this is the second time they reached for the vasoline® and now they have to take it real deep! With 'Big Bro" looking on down the block, maybe they feel comforted overall during the crisis!
Posted by smn 2007-03-31 20:25||   2007-03-31 20:25|| Front Page Top

#58 Despicable "Truthers". Their critical thinking skills development was warped by their paranoia and self-loathing. Now that they have a guaranteed MSM buy-in, (PROVIDED that they maintain an over-the-top, in-yer-face, beyond-edgy, anarchistic and obnoxious persona); "Stand By" to get even more pissed off. There all pathetic ingrates. (AT)
Posted by Asymmetrical T 2007-03-31 21:11||   2007-03-31 21:11|| Front Page Top

#59 Make that "They're", vice "there. Uhmmm, My bad.
Posted by Asymmetrical T 2007-03-31 21:14||   2007-03-31 21:14|| Front Page Top

#60 I may not survive, in fact, but conspiracy believers are stupid and irrational by definition. Their own ignorance and hubris will destroy them. It is therefore their survival that is less likely. I am willing to bet my life that reason will triumph … How many are willing to bet their lives that the evil Bush gang blew up the WTC?

AC, all of us who seek America’s survival must believe as you do. Your determination reeks of Ayn Rand’s positivism and I can only hope that you are proud of it. I am and it continues to buoy my optimism regarding America’s future.

There is no connection between the actual production of something and getting the finished product in the store.

Deacon Blues, I believe Karl Marx’s doctrine relied upon what was know as: Alienation of Product, (i.e., disconnection from what one built for a living), Alienation of Value (i.e., being paid in currency instead of bartered goods) and Alienation of Life (i.e., as in loss of importance with respect to the social fabric), in order to impose communism. Perhaps someone more versed in Marxist doctrine would please correct me if I am wrong in my quote.

You are absolutely right. In America’s increasingly service based economy, so few people are actually engaged in building anything, that they have ZERO concept of what is involved in manufacturing even a five-minute toy. Structural steel and the complex aspects of cantilever support, bracing and compound forces may as well be astrophysics for these morons. All of them bet their lives on it every time they ride an elevator or fly in a passenger jet, but their ignorance makes them refuse to bet their lives on an issue such as terrorism where everyone’s life is at stake. Go figure.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 23:17||   2007-03-31 23:17|| Front Page Top

#61 "the avoidance of responsibility is the root of all mental illness."

Ya mean like that old Cause and Effect thingy the Palestinians have so much trouble with?

AC, I'm really enjoying your mindset in this thread.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-03-31 23:21||   2007-03-31 23:21|| Front Page Top

#62 Interesting ideas. I'll have to think about them. Thanks.
Posted by gorb 2007-03-31 23:49||   2007-03-31 23:49|| Front Page Top

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