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2008-06-15 Europe

Europe will miss George Bush when he's not around

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Posted by Steve White 2008-06-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 If there was some way for Russia to invade western Europe without having to pass through eastern Europe, I wonder how much of a debate we would have about whether to intervene or not.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-15 00:21|| 2008-06-15 00:21|| Front Page Top

#2 America's relationship to Europe has been compared to the movie "High Noon". An Obama presidency would be like "High Noon" without a sheriff.

Posted by DMFD 2008-06-15 00:46|| 2008-06-15 00:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Hmmm...Blazing Saddles.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-15 07:50|| 2008-06-15 07:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Nah, Blazing Saddles was funny. An Obama presidency won't be, except as very dark humor indeed.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-15 08:12|| 2008-06-15 08:12|| Front Page Top

#5 Europe currently thinks that a President Obama will be much more in tune with them, but they're wrong.

The Euros are not the ONLY ones living this dream.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-06-15 10:25|| 2008-06-15 10:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Baker is one of the more sensible sorts in the Euro media, but even he fully integrates many of the myths (and mythical concepts, like "multilateralism," whatever that might be) about Bush and foreign policy.

He also conveniently inverts most of the boring, nerdy facts of the matter. Euro anti-Americanism was unprovoked, destructive, and proven wrong in every case where it wasn't delusional on its face ("climate change"). ABM Treaty abrogation? E-3 negotiations with Iran? Heck, even British military strategy in southern Iraq.

Baker is good but the persistence of the make-believe world in his commentary is grating, maybe more so since he's sensible and not an hysterical anti-American sort.

Posted by Verlaine 2008-06-15 12:41|| 2008-06-15 12:41|| Front Page Top

#7 There are 2 inconvenient facts about Euro-American relations:
1) Anti-Americanism became official EU policy early in the Clinton administration - long before President GW Bush.
2) Anti-Americanism is caused by internal EU politics. US policy does not cause European complaints. - If fact, US policy is irrelevent

Posted by Frozen Al 2008-06-15 14:17|| 2008-06-15 14:17|| Front Page Top

#8 A major issue in all of this is that any apparent American weakness in an Obama Presidency increases the likelihood of ovverreaching on the part of bad actors like Chavez and Ahmedinejad--which in turn will make conflict more rather than less likely.

The Norks invaded the South when Truman conveyed the sense that South Korea was outside our security zone.

When Saddam interpreted (or misinterpreted) April Glaspie's remonstrances, he invaded Kuwait.

And when he thought that Russia, France and China would cover for him on WMDs, he became more defiant, which plainly increased the odds of OIF occurring.

If this history is any guide, a feckless Obama Presidency all but guarantees conflict, most likely with Iran. (Mexico bears watching too. If the cartels keep getting stronger, it's going to get real interesting on our Southern border)

Posted by charger 2008-06-15 16:38|| 2008-06-15 16:38|| Front Page Top

#9 Adios muchachos, auf wiedersehen, au revoir, arrivederci. It's been a real 90 years. Let's not ever do it again.

Posted by ed 2008-06-15 17:09|| 2008-06-15 17:09|| Front Page Top

#10 CONVENTIONAL WISDOM SUMMER + FALL 2008 > remains that, barring a major Major MAJOR M-A-J-O-R MCCAIN SCREWUP OR HEALTH PROB, BARACK IS STILL ANTICIPATED TO LOSE IN NOVEMBER. Perhaps more importantly, the DEMS are likely to control the Congress no matter whom wins the Presidency > AGAIN, MSM-NET = POST-DUBYA CONGRESSCRITTERS NEED TO FOCUS AND PRIORITIZE THE MYRIAD NATIONAL-GLOBAL ENVIRON CRISES AND RELATED PROBS [read - SPEND SPEND SPEND, REGUL + TAX +...], NOTSOMUCH ANYMORE ON FIGHTING THE ISLAMISTS IN THE ME.
EVEN MANY CONSERVATIVE OR PRO-GOP/RIGHT PUNDITS BELIEVE THE DEMS WILL WIN THE CONGRESS.

IOW, 2008-2012 POTUS Period = IRAN + ISLAMIST MILITANT-TERR GROUPS WILL GET THEIR NUKES, etc.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-06-15 22:15|| 2008-06-15 22:15|| Front Page Top

#11 DRUDGEREPORT/WND/TOPIX > BUSH ORDERS:GET BIN OSAMA LADEN BEFORE I LEAVE OFFICE. Reportedly is also enlisting the help of BRITISH SPECOPS + MI6, etc.

Wel-l-l, IMO any capture or killing of OSAMA BIN LADEN will be a de facto SERIOUS BLOW TO THE JIHAD + RADICAL ISLAMISM. HOWEVER, that being said, IMO THE SAME MAY HURT THE JIHAD, BUT NOT END THE JIHAD NOR STOP THE PRESENT DRIVE TOWARDS NUCLEARIZATION + STRATE WEAPONIZATION.

(1) OSAMA, ZAWI, ZARK, MULLAH OMAR, ETAL. have given numerous indics that their support of Radical Islamism Ideo-Agenda including MILITANT JIHADISM goes beyond ANY PERSONAL FEAR OF CAPTURE OR DEATH.

(2) EVEN PRESUMING THAT OBL PER SE IS CAPTURED OR KILLED, WOT > WAR FOR OWG-NWO + WAR FOR ANTI-STATUS QUO {Anti Current-Traditional Order] as per both RADICAL ISLAM + POST 9-11 AMERICA.

NEITHER ONE NOR THE OTHER WILL HAd FULLY FAILED, NOR IN THE ALTERN HAD FULLY SUCCEEDED. IOW, A WAR FOUGHT, FOR ONE, UNDER THE PREMISES OF THE ANTI-STATUS QUO, ETC. ACHIEVED THE STATUS QUO, ETC. [imperfect], wid the agendums of both "NIPPED IN THE BUD" WHILE IN BEGINNING TO RISE. Islam has been shaken, but will most likely revert and remain intact, whereas for the USA its Regional-Global entrenchment is not yet permanent = embedded in solid bedrock.

Reminds me of the FRENCH REVOLUTION which led to the RISE OF NAPOLEON + NAPOLEONIC WARS.

INTERESTING > 2008 -2012 > "PRE-PERIOD" = ADVENT OF NAPOLEON INCARNATE versus ISLAMIST HIDDEN IMAM-MAHDI INCARNATE???

D *** NG IT,NOSTRADAMUS HAD IT WRONG - IT WAS NAPOLEON BONAPARTE, NOT GENERAL "CHINA" GORDON, WHOM FOUGHT THE MAHDI AT KHARTOUM!

And where NAPOLEON INCARNATE GOES, his sister OWG MADONNA, ETAL. IS BOUND TO FOLLOW...

But again, the LEFTIST SECULARISTS-ATHEISTS like to argue GOD DOESN'T AND DIDN'T AND WON'T AND NEVER .... EXISTED, CORRECT!

SHARON STONE? > D *** NG IT, DADDY SAYS YOU'RE A BAD GERMAN + A NASTY BOY!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-06-15 22:48|| 2008-06-15 22:48|| Front Page Top

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