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2008-09-05 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Snosing and Tenille9185 2008-09-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 before Palin's speech.
What is it now?

Posted by 3dc 2008-09-05 00:46|| 2008-09-05 00:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, 3dc, considering how many Dem women are scrambling to get airtime to remind everybody what kind of a wonderful, gracious and gallant friend to women the Messiah is, he's got to be hurtin' for certain.

There's even talk about replacing Biden with Hillary in certain swamps out on the left. (Funny thing is, earlier this week they were betting that McCain would dump Palin.)

Posted by Swamp Blondie in the Cornfields 2008-09-05 01:28|| 2008-09-05 01:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Swamp Blondie - ObaMessiah is too narcissistic to ever last the last two months of the election with Hillary as a VP. He would say or demand something (without realizing it) and totally tick her off. Plus why would she take it? If he threw her on the rail tracks now he would do it after the election too.

Posted by 3dc 2008-09-05 04:02|| 2008-09-05 04:02|| Front Page Top

#4 Besides, with Hillary comes Bill.

Three's a crowd.

Posted by Minister of funny walks 2008-09-05 07:07|| 2008-09-05 07:07|| Front Page Top

#5 Remember the polls are bias in calling Donks. Palin's main act was to motivate the nevermind/fence sitting conservatives who'd unlikely be polled anyway, but are now in the game. Everything else is just even more icing on the cake.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-09-05 09:10|| 2008-09-05 09:10|| Front Page Top

#6 3dc, I agree totally, plus....there's really nothing in it for Hillary.

Looks like he's stuck with ol' Plugs!

Posted by Swamp Blondie in the Cornfields 2008-09-05 09:14|| 2008-09-05 09:14|| Front Page Top

#7 I watched Obama on O'Reilly and Bill was (I thought) a little softer than usual. But Obama couldn't stand up to the very mild counters and questions - he muffed a number of them. How can this guy believe he can sit down with Mohamed Iamanidiot, Chavez, Kimmie et.al. and be convincingly strong and determined? He has already started to beat the war drums that in the primaries were off limits in any topic. He is a very weak man and a bit of confused one at that.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2008-09-05 10:46|| 2008-09-05 10:46|| Front Page Top

#8 Jack is Back! What are you talking about? He just sat down with the enemy for an interview, those other names would just be like minded folk, not a problem. Just give them what they want.

/snark

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-09-05 11:05|| 2008-09-05 11:05|| Front Page Top

#9 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Gallup tracking, same period, Obama by 2%.

Rasmussen tracking, a day later, Obama by 7%.

Must be CBS bias ;)

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-09-05 11:13|| 2008-09-05 11:13|| Front Page Top

#10 I heard it described that barack's poll numbers are "steady in the saddle", whatever that means. Lot of cowboys out here and when I've ridden the only time someone is steady in the saddle is when the horse aint moving, otherwise it only looks easy because of the experience of the cowboy. Personally, I'd pay money to see bo cowboy for a day. I'd pay extra to watch him try and walk the next couple days.

The only topic I wanted to see brought up at the RNC is a public calling out for a debate...perhaps it wasn't the time for it but it needs to be done.

Both tickets owe it to the electorate to have debates.

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-09-05 11:16|| 2008-09-05 11:16|| Front Page Top

#11 On CNN last night I heard that the CBS poll was pre-Palin, well I guess it was pre-Palin's speech eh? LH you are surely suffering in these times. Wo to you and the leftists when the "great what hope" that is Obammy is sent back to his commy cohorts the big loser. I really enjoy the media attacks on Palin too, they show the utter desperation that exists in the uber-liberal circles and their media. Anderson cooper, with his typical gay bias, almost had a shit fit last night after Palin's video biography was played. It was downright comedic. He got snarky with Wolf Blitzer and almost cried I think. Biden...landslide...oMFG. Talk about drinking the kool-aid. Only beltway insiders give a rat's-ass about Biden. This whole show so plays into Hillary and Bill's plan to destroy Obammy, just as they did Gore and Kerry. Freakin Hillaryous...yes that is an attempt at a pun. Hillary ain't down in Florida to turn the base of Jewish voters back to Obammy, she's down there shoring up her own base of support. She's got big plans for 2012, not to mention some outstanding campaign debt. I'd love to see Lieberman's phone records right now to see how often he's in communication with Bill. Bill is no doubt saying..."mention Israel again, mention Israel some more." Without the Jewish vote Obammy is done. But the O was never going to win anyway, so all this is just comedy. One question for the crowd, what is that lapel pin Gov. Palin is wearing. The small, white, rectangular one? Looks like the Israeli flag to me.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 13:10|| 2008-09-05 13:10|| Front Page Top

#12 EHLTB, liberalhawk has long been hoping for Hillary Clinton to be the Democrat strong on the War on Terror. As for the Jewish vote, Jews make up under 2% of the U.S. population. If Candidate Obama thought their vote was critical, he would not have surrounded himself with exclusively pro-Palestinian advisers. Finally, Governor Palin's pin is probably an Alaskan flag -- she is after all proud to be governor of the state of Alaska.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-09-05 13:23|| 2008-09-05 13:23|| Front Page Top

#13 My prediction, The Lord of the Hoops will NOT get the Jewish vote, nor will he get the vote of ladies over 40.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-09-05 13:28|| 2008-09-05 13:28|| Front Page Top

#14 TW, yeah well umm...yeah...

Indeed LH loves HilllBilly doesn't he. I've been reading LH's post for a few years now. I'm well aware of his leanings. I like his posts sometimes. I just generally don't agree with him on political matters. That being said...I trust Bil and Hill's judgement on foreign policy matters far more than the O or his scrappy doo VP pick. I just don't agree with their goals.

And that 2% you speak of means shit. The Jewish community's influence extends far beyond their numbers on the electoral map. This ain't some elder's of zion conspiracy theory crap, just a fact. The Jewish comunity should be and are very proud of this fact. Particularly in the Democratic establishment.

Indeed Gov. Palin is undoubtedly proud of her home state. However, the Alaska State Flag looks nothing like that. Alaska's state flag is blue with gold stars. You were in grade school when they still taught geography and civics TW, you should know this.

I thought it might be a special pin for her son's military service or something like that. It is definitely not the Alaska state flag.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 14:06|| 2008-09-05 14:06|| Front Page Top

#15 It's a Blue Star Mother flag indicating she has a child in military service.

Posted by lotp 2008-09-05 14:35|| 2008-09-05 14:35|| Front Page Top

#16 Point taken on the flag, EHLTB. I didn't actually fail geography back in the day, I'm proud to say, mostly because I was good at coloring within the lines. Alaska is north of California, right? ;-) Actually, I didn't know what the state flag looks like. I probably should google that, so next time I make a different mistake. Probably something to do with her son's unit, I'd think. Gov. Palin hasn't actually spoken about Israel, and her expertise is most decidedly not in matters international, so I'm not sure why she would wear an Israeli flag for the second most important day of her career.

Friends?

In general I would agree with you about influence, but the Obama campaign already has plenty of money and volunteer... and in an election one finally only has one's own vote. So yes, being under 2% matters at this point, even if a few districts have considerably higher concentrations. If the Jewish community's influence were a concern to dear Barack Obama, he would have not surrounded himself with anti-Zionist, antisemitic advisors... not to mention his friends and mentors.

Yes, the Biden thingy was quite silly. liberalhawk doesn't usually make such egregious errors of fact.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-09-05 14:40|| 2008-09-05 14:40|| Front Page Top

#17 Personally, I'd pay money to see bo cowboy for a day. I'd pay extra to watch him try and walk the next couple days.

swksvolFF, if that ever happens, could you get me a ticket? I just wanna see if he tucks his designer jeans in his boots.

Posted by Swamp Blondie in the Cornfields 2008-09-05 15:06|| 2008-09-05 15:06|| Front Page Top

#18 TW et all,

I appreciate your comments, no need for formalities here, you may call me Elvis. Let me predicate my statements by saying that I am a McCain supporter, and have been.

Now to the meat of it. First, the public's votes don't win elections, not our presidential elections at least, electoral college votes do. I agree with your assertions about Obammy and his anti-Israel/anti-zionist positions. It is, however of significant note that Lieberman and Giuliani both mentioned Israel in their speeches. Quite a stretch for 2% methinks.

I would argue that there are spheres of influence within the Democratic, as any, political establishment and that they are at times together and at other times at war. An easy argument I know. Two of those sphere's within the democratic establishment are the zionists and the anti-zionists or as some call them, anti-semitics.

The reasons why the Zionists vs. Anti-zionists are at war within the Democratic establishment over Obammy are as you stated obvious. This war has escalated substantially as Hill was cast aside and the hopes of continuing good fortune for the zionists in the D establishment looked bleak. All is not lost if the zionists lose the executive connection, it just makes life a little harder. Now, that war has spilled out of the box, the D establishment box that is, and McCain will be the partner that the zionists will have to work with.

Bush/Cheney were brothers to the zionists...dare I say... almost puppets in some instances as lotp might tell us, with her knowledge of Doug Feith and his band of merry men. Now is the time for the McCain camp, and the "new Republican party", to show its continued zeal for close relationships to Israel, and do so very very publicly as I am sure they have privately. That way the checks will come in too. Thus my speculation on Palin's pin being the Israeli flag, Bill being on the pone to Lieberman, etc...etc...

Palin is an unknown quantity from what is no doubt viewed as a political backwater by the zionist establishment. Surely her trustworthiness must be in question as the AIPAC lobbyist have not had time to vet her because of her absence from DC. Wearing an Israeli flag would send a signal loud and clear, again thus my speculation.

My ignorance of military insignia, however got the better of this whole line of thought. So it is moot to argue the spheres of Israel's influence both domestic and indeed worldwide and the ramifications on Sarah Palin's choice of lapel pins. That being said I shall return to my hole. I rarely comment here, politics is just my thing, but now I grow tired of typing.

Thanks to everyone who helped me out on what the lapel pin really is. I knew I would find the answer among ye honorable 'Burgers.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 16:30|| 2008-09-05 16:30|| Front Page Top

#19 I rarely comment here.

Our loss.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-09-05 16:32|| 2008-09-05 16:32|| Front Page Top

#20 Elvis, lotp would not use terms like 'puppet' on this topic and would not think them, either.

Posted by lotp 2008-09-05 16:45|| 2008-09-05 16:45|| Front Page Top

#21 Actually, there has been a vibrant Jewish community in Alaska since the Gold Rush. Pretty active politically, too. Some of them comment here.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-09-05 16:56|| 2008-09-05 16:56|| Front Page Top

#22 It was not myintention to speak for you, I was just giving your expertise in this area kudos. However, Doug Feith, nuff said, but I digress..indeed I need not tell you what you already know.

I do not at any point doubt Dick Cheney's prowess in matters of international conflict and security. But where there's smoke, and there's a lot of it with Doug Feith, there is often fire. Let's just say his "relationships" were and are questionable and that whatever information passed across his desk can be considered compromised, and anything that was generated out of OSP under his watch about as reliable as most anything out of DEBKA.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 17:02|| 2008-09-05 17:02|| Front Page Top

#23 Palin is an unknown quantity from what is no doubt viewed as a political backwater by the zionist establishment. Surely her trustworthiness must be in question as the AIPAC lobbyist have not had time to vet her because of her absence from DC. Wearing an Israeli flag would send a signal loud and clear, again thus my speculation.

So basically you think she puts at risk all of the dozen or so Zionist Mastermind votes the Rethuglicans were going to get in the fall?

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-09-05 18:07|| 2008-09-05 18:07|| Front Page Top

#24 AS,

your comments have 0 relevance, and speak to your ignorance, so go away.

lotp,

I was on my way back to my hole, but you've roused me with your comment.

"Would not think them either", what does that mean? If you were just defending Bush/Cheney from criticism, well, I still see smoke with OSP as does anyone who's not blinded by partisan hackery. I'll debate OSP's quality of information and the negative influence it has had on Bush/Cheney all day long.

But, anytime someone mentions the Jewish community and/or Israel they need not be cast as an anti-semite. Let's not go PC here lotp, and shy away from talking about relevant subject matter if that was your intention. You can think or not think what you like. I will not answer to the thought police. Especially not on the Burg. If that was not your intention then I apologize for assuming so.

Just to let you know I'm not an anti-semite, in fact I find the idea of it laughable. Unlike most, I have actually been to and worked in Israel and the Middle East. I support Israel with my words and often my work, thus my interest in Gov Palin's lapel pin.

TW, since I am aware of most of the regulars' credentials as I am yours it's only fair that I dish the dirt on myself as well. I have advanced degrees in Political Science/Government, have traveled the globe extensively, have worked in politics/government on three continents, in the state houses and on the Hill for more than a few years just to frame my comments. I have what some might call relevant experience and a bit of expertise in political matters. That's why
I comment on them.

I am just making conversation in relation to my question about Gov Palin's lapel pin. If anyone is offended by that they should ignore my comments.

I don't doubt there is a politically active Jewish population in Alaska, at least in Anchorage. I'll be there in a few weeks in fact and when I return I will hopefully be able to better speak to the facts. I would still assume they would be considered backwater by anyone on the Hill or in Israel. Alaska prides itself in being backwater doesn't it?

But someone in the Jewish community in Alaska might have a better idea about Palin's relationship with said community if they care to comment. Perhaps someone with some knowledge of Palin's record on all matters Israel(if any such record exists) might speak up.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 18:34|| 2008-09-05 18:34|| Front Page Top

#25 I'm neither Jewish nor Alaskan, Elvis, but will this do?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-09-05 18:53|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-09-05 18:53|| Front Page Top

#26 EHLTB, Hell I was in Grade School when Alaska was admitted to the Union.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2008-09-05 19:03|| 2008-09-05 19:03|| Front Page Top

#27 I appreciate you sharing your background, Elvis. That does shape how I read posts.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-09-05 19:04|| 2008-09-05 19:04|| Front Page Top

#28 LH, not sure where you got Obama +7.

CBS News
Dates:: 09/01-09/03
size: 734 RV
Obama: 42
McCain: 42
Tie

Rasmussen Tracking
Dates: 09/02 - 09/04
Size: 3000 LV
Obama: 48
McCain: 46
Obama +2

Notice that the CBS poll completed before either Palin or McCain spoke. The Rasmussen poll concluded one day after Palin spoke but before McCain's speech.

Wait till Monday's or Tuesday's polls to see what bounce resulted from the Repub's convention.

Posted by ed 2008-09-05 19:09|| 2008-09-05 19:09|| Front Page Top

#29 LH is whistling past the political graveyard right now. Next step is denial. Sad to see the downslide...

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-09-05 19:13|| 2008-09-05 19:13|| Front Page Top

#30 TW and lotp,

I apologize if I am coming across as an asshole. It is very hard to type feelings and intentions and comments can be easily misunderstood. I found out what I needed to know should have left it at that. Thanks again for engaging me. I appreciate your comments and frames of reference.

Regards,

Elvis

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 19:14|| 2008-09-05 19:14|| Front Page Top

#31 Barbara, that will do very very well. Thanks much.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 19:17|| 2008-09-05 19:17|| Front Page Top

#32 However, Doug Feith, nuff said, but I digress..indeed I need not tell you what you already know.

Hmm.

Then you say:
AS,

your comments have 0 relevance, and speak to your ignorance, so go away.

You're going to tell _me_ to go away while you go about the cheap-ass debating tactic of dancing around an allegation without once having to say outright something you'll have to defend?

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-09-05 19:31|| 2008-09-05 19:31|| Front Page Top

#33 AS,

yes, I will; because I think lotp knows exactly what I speak of when I criticize Doug Feith and the OSP in relation to Israel. She's an expert. Do you claim such expertise?

There are few who would defend his actions or OSP given his/their record. Perhaps you do not know anything about it or maybe you do. You obviously didn't understand what I was saying in the comment you pulled completely out of context. Either way that is of no concern to me because I was not speaking to you.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 19:55|| 2008-09-05 19:55|| Front Page Top

#34 Don't pull me into your wink wink nudge nudge "I'm not anti-semitic but we ALL KNOW (those of us in the know) that Feith was compromised" crap Elvis. I know nothing of the kind.

Posted by lotp 2008-09-05 20:06|| 2008-09-05 20:06|| Front Page Top

#35 Either way that is of no concern to me because I was not speaking to you.

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Ah. You only speak to the experts. (Hmm, where'd she go, anyway? She was just here.)

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Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-09-05 20:16|| 2008-09-05 20:16|| Front Page Top

#36 Ah, there she is. (Sorry, didn't see you when I posted that).

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-09-05 20:18|| 2008-09-05 20:18|| Front Page Top

#37 Yes, it did have that shape didn't it AS?

Posted by lotp 2008-09-05 20:44|| 2008-09-05 20:44|| Front Page Top

#38 lotp,

Please allow me to be a little more precise in my comments:

I am not asserting that you think Feith was compromised by certain elements of the Mossad through his personal connections and those of his law partners. Although it is likely true.

I am simply referring to the fact that you know about the allegations against Feith because of your expertise and that is why I did not feel the need to further extrapolate on my argument about Feith being compromised with you.

I am quite well aware that you are sympathetic to the neo view of the world. I can only assume through your apparent defense of Feith that you probably agreed with Cheney's decision to circumvent the real intelligence community and kabal only with friends in an attempt to justify war with Iraq using Al Qeada regardless of any proof of any real connections to Al Qaeda. Your posts indicate such.

That being said I agreed with our decision to attack Iraq and with our policy to support Israel diplomatically and Militarily. I've walked the walk. But bullshit hack intelligence generated by a bunch of lawyers in Feith's buddy club is exactly the kind of shit that makes the American people distrustful of government and why the R's are having so much trouble at the polls of late.

Doug Feith's actions can be interpreted as being not only unethical and inappropriate, but also criminal in a system where law rules. The end does not justify the means. Fake bullshit hack intelligence has no place in America's decision to go to war and we don't need a private PR shop disguised as an intelligence unit making policy recommendations or decisions for our President. George got screwed by these bastards.

How's that for nudge-nudge wink wink. I call your bullshit, and I think you probably know more than most the kind of garbage that came out of that office when Doug Feith was there. He's a hack who manipulated intelligence to make the War justified because that's what certain bodies within the Israeli govt and intelligence agencies wanted.

Honesty would have worked fine in sending us to War against the Baathists, and there was plenty of reason to make Saddam a black spot in the sand without such hackery and dishonesty.

I am not the first nor the most "in the know" person to make these allegations against Feith. I do, however assert that what Feith did with the OSP was wrong and unAmerican. No nation and nor their intelligence agency, no matter how friendly to the US, should drive America's foreign or defense policy.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 21:00|| 2008-09-05 21:00|| Front Page Top

#39 I'm putting in a buy order for Alcoa, now!

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-09-05 21:07|| 2008-09-05 21:07|| Front Page Top

#40 Well, asserting that OSP was staffed by hacks and lawyers is a dead giveaway Elvis. You'll need to be a tad more circumspect in your insinuations if you want to rope in the unwary.

Here's a hint to help you avoid obvious errors: the 'real intelligence community' is in good part made up of and staffed by DOD personnel - and was before Feith and Cheney settled in after 2000. And that's the last free hint I feel inclined to throw your way on this one ....

Posted by lotp 2008-09-05 21:11|| 2008-09-05 21:11|| Front Page Top

#41 Yeah thanks for enlightening me lotp. What? You think you are educating me? Don't play that shit with me. I ain't one of your kids or some wandering troll. I play this game for a living as do you. I just don't like what you have to say, generally.

You are in a long line of neo's who are marrying themselves to Feith in your defense of OSP. You declare OSP was made up of DoD huh? It is well known that OSP was full of hacks and they employed dozens of people with no intelligence gathering or analyst experience perhaps not as staff but as "consultants". Or are you just reeling in the unwary? Their only qualifications were their like-mindedness with Feith and his agenda. OSP was overwhelmingly made up of these types, and nothing, nada, zip came out of OSP without Feith shaping it and clearing it personally.

Feith was the undersecretary of Defense and Feith was also acused many times of passing information to Ariel Sharon and the Likuds and extremists agents within the Mossad. Hell, the mainstream Mossad wouldn't even touch the shit he and the Likud were spewing. He is a hack, a hack, and his departure and the subsequent success of the Iraq war once handed back to real military minds and not agenda driven lawyers and no nothings like him is a good indicator of his "skill level" and that of the OSP, but don't take my word for it.

Others, with better credentials have made similar statements.

Let's start with SOS Condaleeza Rice.

According to the long-running Washington newsletter, The Nelson Report, edited by Christopher Nelson, quoting an anonymous source, Feith was standing in for Rumsfeld at a 2003 interagency 'Principals' Meeting' debating the Middle East, and ended his remarks on behalf of the Pentagon. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, "Thanks Doug, but when we want the Israeli position we'll invite the ambassador."

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell

States Secretary of State Colin Powell called Feith's operation at the Pentagon the "Gestapo" office, alleging that it amounted to a separate, unchecked governing authority within the Pentagon.

Former Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State, Larry Wilkerson

Regarding Feith and his colleague, David Wurmser, Wilkerson has stated:

A lot of these guys, including Wurmser, I looked at as card-carrying members of the Likud party, as I did with Feith. You wouldnt open their wallet and find a card, but I often wondered if their primary allegiance was to their own country or to Israel. That was the thing that troubled me, because there was so much that they said and did that looked like it was more reflective of Israel's interest than our own.

Former CENTCOM Deputy Director, Lt. General Michael DeLong

In an interview with PBS on February 14, 2006, General Michael DeLong was asked about the information coming from Feith's office in the lead-up to the Iraq war. He replied:

Feith wasn't somebody we enjoyed working with, and to go much further than that would probably not be a good thing. To be honest, we blew him off lots of times. Told the secretary that he's full of baloney, his people working for him are full of baloney. It was a real distraction for us, because he was the number three guy in the Department of Defense.

Also...
His cohorts and subordinates were convicted for spying for elements of the Israeli Likud party:
A subordinate of Feith's, Larry Franklin, was convicted, and sentenced to 12 years in Federal prison in 2005 for charges in an espionage scandal. Franklin was accused and convicted of passing classified information to an Israeli diplomat and Steven Rosen, an employee of the Israeli AIPAC lobby.

It is asserted that Feith himself was dismissed from govt service in 1982 because he leaked classified information to Israeli agents.

According to The Guardian, which I do not generally read: Feith's office had an unconventional relationship with Israel's intelligence services:

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

One high ranking official in the Secretary of State's Office. "None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels", said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.
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Yes, these statements are one sided against Feith and OSP. There are Feith supporters, but these allegations and many others are there, and not made lightly.

There are a lot of opinions on this matter and I have stated mine: What Feith did was un-American. Defend him and the OSP all you want. OSP was under his direction, and was shit, offered shit and represents the worst of what government can become if unchecked.

Til next time lotp. Last conversation we had you were lambasting Sen. McCain. Perhaps we can have another conversation on Sen. McCain sometime soon, perhaps when he is our President. I will enjoy that.

Posted by EHLTB 2008-09-05 23:37|| 2008-09-05 23:37|| Front Page Top

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