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Palin is Toast? McCain campaign aides tell all
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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-11-06 11:20|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6495 views ]  Top

#1 She haven't went to Harvard.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-11-06 11:29||   2008-11-06 11:29|| Front Page Top

#2 The aides are scum, and their reward is that they'll never be trusted in a campaign ever again by anyone. They might as well become Democrats, and even the Democrats won't ever trust them.
Posted by Steve White 2008-11-06 11:41||   2008-11-06 11:41|| Front Page Top

#3 Michelle Malkin : The McCain campaignÂ’s classless cowards; Update: Palin reacts
Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-06 11:43||   2008-11-06 11:43|| Front Page Top

#4 So the slugs are out early for 2012...
Posted by tu3031 2008-11-06 11:47||   2008-11-06 11:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Just the first battle between the country club Repubs and conservatives over the future direction of the party. Country clubbers are thinking: Must crush Palin now. She is too popular among conservatives.

The nastiness doesn't speak well for what a McCain administration would hve been like. Then again, I'm sure the infighting within Barack's camp over whether to go left or centrist will be 10 times worse, but we won't hear about it.
Posted by a person 2008-11-06 12:10||   2008-11-06 12:10|| Front Page Top

#6 So she doesn't speak the GOP party 'lingo'?
That's not really a drawback to most people.
It sounds like McCain may have had a VERY old timey, out of touch campaign staff. She has massive appeal, if she can get the right people around her.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-11-06 12:18||   2008-11-06 12:18|| Front Page Top

#7 Some of this is the herd mentality among the media elite: All the cool kids like Obama. All the cool kids hate Sarah. Note to self: must trash Sarah so I can be thought of as cool.
Posted by Mike 2008-11-06 12:22||   2008-11-06 12:22|| Front Page Top

#8 She vigorously defended the Second Amendment and the sanctity of life more eloquently in practice than any of the educated conservative aristocracy. -- From the link to Malkin provided by anonymous 5089

I find it highly ironic that people who oppose gun control are also opposed to abortion. Could it be there is such a thing as a responsible, law abiding gun owner who holds that all life is sacred? And how, if you are afraid of guns, can you then turn around and be so callous about the life of the unborn?

But more to the point of this thread, the reason we love Palin is exactly because she is an outsider. Maybe she can't recite all the arcane details of NAFTA. But even if she could does that mean we can trust her with it? Who can we trust on that issue? Not some fast talking lawyer from Chicago. What we're looking for is an honest, fresh, common sense approach with a conservative grounding. We want someone who hasn't had time to be corrupted by the Chicago Machine, the PACs, or the country club RINOs.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-11-06 12:31||   2008-11-06 12:31|| Front Page Top

#9 More reason never to donate to the RNC party itself until they listen to their actual supporters.

I donate to the individuals, never the RNC and send them back their fliers asking for money with the above statement.
Posted by DarthVader 2008-11-06 12:41||   2008-11-06 12:41|| Front Page Top

#10 People are getting a little overwrought over nothing. McCain was not the greatest candidate, but he lost mainly because he was outspent 8 to 1 - Obama had $650m whereas McCain only had $80m. Reagan would have lost if he had been outspent like this. It's that simple. Obama was able to do press-the-flesh retail politics with huge numbers of hired hands whereas McCain had to do wholesale.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-06 12:48|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2008-11-06 12:48|| Front Page Top

#11 The real lesson of this campaign is that being outspent by your opponent 8 to 1 is a recipe for crushing electoral defeat. The next GOP candidate needs to deal with the hard work of fundraising and not assume that it will materialize like manna from heaven, just like McCain did.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-06 12:50|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2008-11-06 12:50|| Front Page Top

#12 Reminds me of a debate we had around the office a few years back. We had a staff person who was very good at her job, but was also a backstabbing ratfink. A few of us came to the conclusion that we'd rather have a decent person with a weak skills set than a super-competent ratweasel with lots of pretty certifications. Skills can be developed easier than bad morals can be unlearned.
Posted by Mike 2008-11-06 12:56||   2008-11-06 12:56|| Front Page Top

#13 Who are these staffers? Is Michelle Malkin taking names?

Frankly I do see it as a chance to kneecap a vastly popular conservative now to clear the road in 2012 for an "Our Kind, Dear" candidate, whomever that might be in the minds of the GOP's "Wizards of Smart". (It's a Rushism, and I love it.)
Posted by Grenter, Protector of the Geats 2008-11-06 13:19||   2008-11-06 13:19|| Front Page Top

#14 I think the principal lesson we must learn from this debacle is that money matters. You can't get outspent $650m to $80m and still win an election. 8 times the money could mean 8 times the audience. And in this case, it meant Obama got the additional 5 percentage points he needed to seal the deal. 5 points the other way, and McCain would have won.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda - the point is that you can't ignore money. And that means cultivating the base, instead of ignoring and insulting it as McCain did. What McCain failed to realize was that the money for political donations comes out from hard-earned cash. This is money people can use for other things - rent, car payments and repairs, college tuition, gasoline, food, and so on. By insulting high-profile supporters who made controversial statements, he was basically saying that their concerns did not matter. Well, if their concerns don't matter to him, then McCain's political ambition doesn't matter to them. At least not to the extent of shelling out hard-earned cash to hand over to his campaign. He thought he would flip them the bird by going to Federal financing. Instead, it was Obama's cash pile that flipped him the bird by handing McCain a landslide electoral defeat.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-06 13:47|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2008-11-06 13:47|| Front Page Top

#15 In the reorganization that the Republicans undergo i would suggest one huge change. Do not give out lists of doners to any and every cause and do not hammer away at doners monthly. The Republicans have spent far more money sending me stuff than I ever donated to them. It makes them appear fiscally irresponsible.

The whole thing reminded me of the scam mails sent to my grandfather.

They should be doing most of that online anyway.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-11-06 13:49||   2008-11-06 13:49|| Front Page Top

#16 There is no such thing as one mistake. There are several issues starting with credibility. If a party that says defends fiscal restrain and acountability don't enforces it then they liars. What appeal to newcomers will have a party like that?
Posted by Zebulon Spase1139 2008-11-06 14:15||   2008-11-06 14:15|| Front Page Top

#17 Every time she opens her mouth i like what she has to say; if not for the content, which sometimes is bit ragged, but the sincerity. The GOP heavies need to really think about what they want to do; if they stay on the same track in 2010 or 12, there will be more blue Crayolas coming out to color the map.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2008-11-06 14:25||   2008-11-06 14:25|| Front Page Top

#18 The GOP heavies need to really think about what they want to do; if they stay on the same track in 2010 or 12, there will be more blue Crayolas coming out to color the map.

The next GOP presidential candidate will know something about fund-raising, and not be outspent 8 to 1. I think the primary system has eliminated any possibility of candidates being completely dysfunctional. McCain's unique problem was the sin of pride. He thought his biography and ideas sell themselves. Being outspent 8 to 1 wouldn't be a problem. Not so. In politics, as in life, ou never get everything you pay for, but you never get what you don't pay for.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-06 14:39|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2008-11-06 14:39|| Front Page Top

#19 If the trunk party goes with the Country Club Republicans they will lose again. Country Club Republicans are basically Democrats with a different name. So what do they have to offer? The campaign really did not get any life breathed into it until Palin came in. The Republicans have to offer something different than Democrats. They need to stay with their conservative principles.
Posted by JohnQC 2008-11-06 14:52||   2008-11-06 14:52|| Front Page Top

#20 i would rather have someone with some common sense as pres for a change than some know it all ex frat boy from harvard
Posted by chris 2008-11-06 14:54||   2008-11-06 14:54|| Front Page Top

#21 hell i used too be able too do a pretty long keg stand yall wanna elect me in 2012?
Posted by chris 2008-11-06 14:54||   2008-11-06 14:54|| Front Page Top

#22 Why don't you say "8 to 1" one more time, Zhang? That way, you can make it an even half-dozen.
Posted by Milton Fandango 2008-11-06 15:10||   2008-11-06 15:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Money is not the issue. Ideas are. After ideas came money. What McCain bring to the table of ideas?

" The Republicans have to offer something different than Democrats. They need to stay with their conservative principles."

Only if they abide by them when in office isn't it?

The testimony of lack of ideas and principles in Republican side was also the resort here in Rantburg to talking about Hussein being a closet Muslim, or not born in US soil. At this game level that kind of things only work if there is clear evidence and don't advance your cause. Everytime someone sends dirt to the other part is not advancing their side ideas so better be sure there is evidence to back it up and that the issue has a reasonable chance of being an effective game changer.
Posted by Zebulon Spase1139 2008-11-06 15:33||   2008-11-06 15:33|| Front Page Top

#24 And the fact that McCain's staffers have spent more time attacking Palin than they did Obama might have something to do with their boss' loss too.
Posted by DarthVader 2008-11-06 16:45||   2008-11-06 16:45|| Front Page Top

#25 McCain's principle feature was that he was Not Obama. He was the worst of the Republican candidates, more like a Dem than any other repub. To the CC Repubs however, that was his most attractive feature. The CC Repubs are not conservative, they are just concerned with conserving their status and position.

The Repub party needs to be rebuilt. This time, let's leave out the termites that infest the structure.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2008-11-06 16:58||   2008-11-06 16:58|| Front Page Top

#26 What vermin, disloyal, panic-stricken rats jumping off a sinking ship.
The joke's on them though: This ship won't sink but the rats will be left to drown.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2008-11-06 17:06||   2008-11-06 17:06|| Front Page Top

#27 Why don't you say "8 to 1" one more time, Zhang? That way, you can make it an even half-dozen.

Why the heck not. 8 to 1 is why McCain lost. You can go on and on about the power of good ideas. But the fact is - you don't win unless your ideas get traction. That's where TV ads and paid staff come in - and they don't work for free. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that we could have 1/8 the Taliban's defense budget and still win - because of our clean living and pure hearts. If the power of conservative ideas was self-evident, the Democratic party would have been extinct a long time ago, and Communism would have aborted before it ever took hold in a single country. Show me a guy who gets outspent 8 to 1 and I'll show you a loser. Nobody wants to hear it - not the media, who think the Messiah's message sold itself or conservatives, who think McCain's message was horrible because they disagree with it - but I'll say it anyway - 8 to 1.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-06 17:21|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2008-11-06 17:21|| Front Page Top

#28 C'mon O'Reilly! You can't tutor someone who doesn't know the countries of North America, that Africa is a continent. My 10 yr old knows better.

She almost VP or President, what a nightmare! Imagine all the assuming and bad decisions she would have made, not to mention her 180k shopping spree.



Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-11-06 17:50||   2008-11-06 17:50|| Front Page Top

#29 He drives on me like that he gets clotheslined...
Posted by tu3031 2008-11-06 17:54||   2008-11-06 17:54|| Front Page Top

#30 "Why the heck not. 8 to 1 is why McCain lost."

I guess you heard about diminishing returns.... Second it is ideas/dreams/wishes and finding the best way to explain them that brings donors. When the main message is: i am an honorable person and i am an hero, well that is noble and fine but not enough.
Posted by Zebulon Spase1139 2008-11-06 18:09||   2008-11-06 18:09|| Front Page Top

#31 McCain kissed the MSM's arse for years. He was their favorite Republican when he beat up on other Trunks.

But like a blind date with a nice personality that sews their own cloths he was dumped when someone prettier showed up.
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-11-06 18:21||   2008-11-06 18:21|| Front Page Top

#32 I think it's about time to either flush the Repuglicons and create a new party, or to flush 80% of the Repuglycon "leadership" and bring in someone fresh. The current group just doesn't seem to understand about real life. Sarah does. I'm thinking of moving to Alaska, just so I can vote for her whether she runs in '12 or not.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2008-11-06 19:14|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2008-11-06 19:14|| Front Page Top

#33 How about this novel idea...
NO Yale or Harvard folk permitted in power positions in the New Republican Party.
Posted by 3dc 2008-11-06 19:15||   2008-11-06 19:15|| Front Page Top

#34 NO Yale or Harvard folk

What's the point? Is the goal to find people who zero education? Why not return to the dark ages and pick a king to lead us?

Sounds like an overreaction or misunderstanding about what higher education schools are for?
Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-11-06 19:46||   2008-11-06 19:46|| Front Page Top

#35 "I find it highly ironic that people who oppose gun control are also opposed to abortion."

Nothing strange about it: You can't have shotgun weddings without shotguns. :-)

"And how, if you are afraid of guns, can you then turn around and be so callous about the life of the unborn?"

The problem I have with treating abortion as murder, is that you must then treat all women that committed abortion as murderers.

Think through the consequences of that: With more than 1 million abortions per year in the USA, are you willing to arrest and potentially convict and execute as infanticide murderers 1 million women every year?

And if not, why not, if they indeed committed murder via abortion?
Posted by Gravise Jones8452 2008-11-06 19:51||   2008-11-06 19:51|| Front Page Top

#36 our little forkbeard troll makes a word-gaffe the ultimate denier of competence. Should I note Mr. "all 57 states", or our "smile while you embarrass yourself and everyone associated with you daily" VP-elect. Eat sh*t and die.
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-11-06 20:00||   2008-11-06 20:00|| Front Page Top

#37 The only thing about higher education in Harvard and Yale is the word "higher".

Their shit stinks to high heavens.
MacNamara was a good initial proof of that.
Harvard biz theory has gutted the nation's factories and biz to the delight of China and India.
They miss the point that Americans without jobs can't buy that crap now made in China... Just as well as the latests poison scares show...
Hell they can't even make heart medicine (nie rat poison) properly....

Enough of the country club.
Enough!
No rhinos either.
Posted by 3dc 2008-11-06 20:20||   2008-11-06 20:20|| Front Page Top

#38 I hear ya. The real difference a professor of mine found between Harvard and the University of Illinois was that the cheaters at Harvard went to much greater and more creative lengths.

But as Sarah Palin herself said: it isn't where you went to school that's the issue, it's about the "I'm better than you" attitude.
Posted by eLarson 2008-11-06 20:29||   2008-11-06 20:29|| Front Page Top

#39 This is all about class - the Palins are not members of the coastal elite classes. And the McCain aides that anonymously slimed her have no class at all.
Posted by DMFD 2008-11-06 20:41||   2008-11-06 20:41|| Front Page Top

#40 Love it when the party of the "Peepul" defend their little ivy league oligarchy factory. The great unwashed need not apply or speak out.
Posted by ed 2008-11-06 20:44||   2008-11-06 20:44|| Front Page Top

#41 I personally think that these 'campaign aides' are trying to divert attention from the fact that they ran a half-assed campaign in general, and doubly half-assed when compared to O's ground ops. Money explains a little of it, but they deserve a lions share of any blame that's going around. The candidate can't do everything.
Posted by Free Radical">Free Radical  2008-11-06 20:46||   2008-11-06 20:46|| Front Page Top

#42 ur little forkbeard troll makes a word-gaffe the ultimate denier of competence. Should I note Mr. "all 57 states", or our "smile while you embarrass yourself and everyone associated with you daily" VP-elect. Eat sh*t and die.

Frank,

I don't troll, I post just as much as anyone.

A gaffe in public is different than actual lacking of knowledge on such a 4th grade topic, when your own advisors and aids give you a quiz and are shocked by how little you know before the debate or interview. Africa is a continent by the way.

I've voted for the GOP before plenty. I really don't want some cornbread folksy republican or some stiff prosecutor type to vote for, which has been the trend. I want someone who can demand authority and respect but also show wisdom and kindness, like Reagan mainly. I'd vote for Reagan again.

Sure, people are angry GOP lost, but to exclude college educated people from you're own party, that's suicide and pretty dumb.

Just trying to help!
Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-11-06 21:44||   2008-11-06 21:44|| Front Page Top

#43 I get it, I've been reading more post and I guess anything bad against Sarah Palin causes a reaction. I'll let it be.

I really blame the republican party and maybe a lack of early GOP voter wisdom in the republican primaries. I was also surprised that Mitt Romney quit so early.

Maybe it was meant to be, there was a different feeling before, GW was a big gripe and everyone had different mindsets early this year. I think the GOP believe they were going against Hillary.

However for the most recently GW has been AWOL from TV and the economy took a dive.

I would imagined a Romney/Palin or Romney/McCain ticket would have been better to make economic arguments against the Dems.

The GOP just got dealt a bad set of cards.

If anything, I'm just glad Hillary got rejected from the office.
Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-11-06 22:11||   2008-11-06 22:11|| Front Page Top

#44 SF, you're NOT helping and no one said to exclude college-educated people from the GOP. What Frank intended, and I thought clearly explained, is that the GOP does not need any indoctrinated liberals from the Ivy schools. He's right about that. Liberal indoctrination is what students get there. Don't believe it? Check out the ratios of conservatives to libs on their faculties. Conservatives are about as common as unicorns and hen's teeth. Oh, and they're hated, too. Make no mistake about that.

Don't be an ass and deliberately misunderstand what is being said. That's what trolls do and you're skating right on the edge of trollery.
Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-11-06 22:17||   2008-11-06 22:17|| Front Page Top

#45 You're kidding, right? Not going to Yale or Harvard means some is not "college educated people"? How remarkably elitist and ... dumb.

Here we are talking about two schools where the oligarchy sends their spawn to learn oligarchin'. Can you name the last president who wasn't a graduate of Yale or Harvard? And you denigrate the ~1.5 million new college graduates each year to favor the 5-6000 scions of the Masters of the Universe who instead of using the sweat of their brows to extract the riches of the earth, use their tight connections and secret handshakes to extract riches from the sweat of our brows. No thanks. You can take your elitist crap and shove it back up your ...
Posted by ed 2008-11-06 22:24||   2008-11-06 22:24|| Front Page Top

#46 your anon name, is OK the first couple posts, after that, it indicates lack of courage for your positions and their consistency. I've seen yours and they don't stand up
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-11-06 22:24||   2008-11-06 22:24|| Front Page Top

#47 The way I see it.

Liberals are loose, want orgies and no rules.

Conservatives are tight, want order and prosperity.

Far Left Liberals get hijacked by communist dictators, religious cults, or anarchist.

Far Right Conservatives get hijacked by nationalist, fascist, religious groups, or robber barons.

And we have to choose between them and most people want someone who will keep harmony most of all and will be on their side.

If you had cool Ivy League republicans on your side, like many officers during WW2, you'd want them on your team.

Get the best people into your party, that should be the idea.

Figure out what those characteristics are and improve.

Your a Gnome btw!
Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-11-06 22:26||   2008-11-06 22:26|| Front Page Top

#48 cool Ivy League Republicans, Buffy?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-11-06 22:32||   2008-11-06 22:32|| Front Page Top

#49 and, Intellectual Gianttm, the contraction for "you are" is not "your". Even Ivy-League Republicans know that
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-11-06 22:34||   2008-11-06 22:34|| Front Page Top

#50 Excuse my e-gaffe, you're right.

I'm not Ivy League myself or care to be but I know there are some smart people at the Business schools who are no joke.

I did find a list of presidents who've been to Harvard or Yale.

Harvard University

John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John Kennedy

Yale

William Taft
George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush

Done.
Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-11-06 22:45|| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_college_education]">[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_college_education]  2008-11-06 22:45|| Front Page Top

#51 the fact that there are some competent people coming from two colleges which were pre-eminent in their time is no confirmation that their successors are advantaged or positively capable for the government positions they've been overly-harvested-for. I give you: Our glorious State Dept.

My point, which you've ignored, is that there is an enormous country that has REAL skills, REAL jobs, makes REAL industries work, and you're so wrapped up in fan-boy love for Yale/Harvard, you won't acknowledge it. Pick a real nym, stick with it, so I can tell you how much I value your consistent, logical, well-thought-out, arguments. If you don't, I remain a skeptic, troll
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-11-06 22:53||   2008-11-06 22:53|| Front Page Top

#52 If you had cool Ivy League republicans on your side, like many officers during WW2, you'd want them on your team.

I very much doubt that the current crop of graduates would have survived the 1930's or 40's curriculum at Harvard or Yale.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2008-11-06 22:55||   2008-11-06 22:55|| Front Page Top

#53 OK,

I do agree that they should not be first in line and should not be placed in positions of power unless that kind of education requires it.

But disagree about is the narrowing of members down of a party especially on what school they attend. If anything, ban rapist from the party.

Anyway, have a good night!
Posted by Joe (SF) 2008-11-06 23:05||   2008-11-06 23:05|| Front Page Top

#54 No sweat. The last non Harvard-Yalie prez was Ronald Reagan.
Posted by ed 2008-11-06 23:09||   2008-11-06 23:09|| Front Page Top

#55 Snavins Forkbeard5154 - The only colleges in the world are not Harvard and Yale.
I've had enough of those two and their elitist spawn.
Posted by 3dc 2008-11-06 23:39||   2008-11-06 23:39|| Front Page Top

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