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2009-11-25 Science & Technology

Key scientist says politics behind stolen e-mails

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Posted by Fred 2009-11-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 If you're technically minded, take a look at Francis Turner's analysis of the leaked source code. As he puts it, it's worthy of The Daily WTF. Harry, the poor maintenance programmer had an impossible task.

Posted by Eric Jablow">Eric Jablow 2009-11-25 01:32|| 2009-11-25 01:32|| Front Page Top

#2 What these folks did is SOP in academia around any major dogma. However, the issue went far beyond academia. Thus, they found that big frogs should stay in their own small pond and not venture into the ocean.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-11-25 04:43|| 2009-11-25 04:43|| Front Page Top

#3 It's projection - projecting one's unacceptable thoughts onto The Other. They know they're doing it for politics, and the fact that someone would want to expose the truth simply because it is the truth does not enter their minds. Global warming is all about politics, the science is not even really needed except as a sort of footnote to the political discussions.

Posted by gromky 2009-11-25 08:08|| ]">[ ] 2009-11-25 08:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Eric Jablow

I simplified all the climate modelling code into one line.

temperature = (temperature + 1) + RND()

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-11-25 09:03|| 2009-11-25 09:03|| Front Page Top

#5 BTW why is "global peer review of the code" and "releasing data" nasty?

AGW Fraudsters your gravy train is derailed, you best beg we don't jail you.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-11-25 09:05|| 2009-11-25 09:05|| Front Page Top

#6 Key scientist says politics behind ~~stolen~~ e-mails

...and grant money. As we post at the Rant - fixed it for you.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-11-25 09:36|| 2009-11-25 09:36|| Front Page Top

#7 First task: follow the money.

Look at the $529m loan awarded by DOE to Gore's electric sports car startup. Which is in Finland. Which does not even have a prototype. Or a design.

Posted by lex 2009-11-25 10:31|| 2009-11-25 10:31|| Front Page Top

#8 Lets see here.... Scientific Discussion:

Hiding the data (as well as its collection and analysis methods) from any sort of objective peer review.

Politically destroying the reputation of anyone who dares disagree with you.

Someone buy this guy a dictionary.

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-11-25 10:56|| 2009-11-25 10:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Which entities or individuals exposed in these emails can be prosecuted under federal law?

Presumably the people who've received federal grant $$$, which is prob'y the majority, right?

Bring it on.

Posted by lex 2009-11-25 10:59|| 2009-11-25 10:59|| Front Page Top

#10 Good luck getting the DOJ to prosecute....

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-11-25 12:12|| 2009-11-25 12:12|| Front Page Top

#11 The question (and remember, death is not an option): how do you think the MSM would handle that revelation? The answer says a lot about the debate today.

First response, you're Lying
Second response, Knew it all the time, BUT
Third response Ignore the truth as long as possible
Fourth response begin again with "One".

Posted by Redneck Jim 2009-11-25 12:40|| 2009-11-25 12:40|| Front Page Top

#12 The following is the introduction to a message sent out by the University of East Anglia yesterday on the campus portal. This was sent to me by a PhD student there that is a friend.

Note that the University is parroting the lies.

Climatic Research Unit update - November 24, 3.30pm
The University of East Anglia has released statements from Prof Trevor Davies, Pro-Vice-Chancellor for Research, Prof Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit, and from CRU.
Statement from Professor Trevor Davies, Pro-Vice-Chancellor, Research

The publication of a selection of the emails and data stolen from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has led to some questioning of the climate science research published by CRU and others. There is nothing in the stolen material which indicates that peer-reviewed publications by CRU, and others, on the nature of global warming and related climate change are not of the highest-quality of scientific investigation and interpretation. CRUs peer-reviewed publications are consistent with, and have contributed to, the overwhelming scientific consensus that the climate is being strongly influenced by human activity. The interactions of the atmosphere, oceans, land, and ice mean that the strongly-increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere do not produce a uniform year-on-year increase in global temperature. On time-scales of 5-10 years, however, there is a broad scientific consensus that the Earth will continue to warm, with attendant changes in the climate, for the foreseeable future. It is important, for all countries, that this warming is slowed down, through substantial reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to reduce the most dangerous impacts of climate change. Respected international research groups, using other data sets, have come to the same conclusion.

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2009-11-25 13:36|| 2009-11-25 13:36|| Front Page Top

#13 > There is nothing in the stolen material which indicates that peer-reviewed publications by CRU, and others, on the nature of global warming and related climate change are not of the highest-quality of scientific investigation and interpretation.

This is a LIE!

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-11-25 13:56|| 2009-11-25 13:56|| Front Page Top

#14 In that case why are they so keen on hiding the data?

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-11-25 15:33|| 2009-11-25 15:33|| Front Page Top

#15 CRUï¿½s peer-reviewed publications are consistent with, and have contributed to, the overwhelming scientific consensus

So now they add circular logic to mess.

"Our data is a fraud, our models don't run, but because everyone loves our bogus conclusions, they must be correct."

Posted by Skunky Glins****">Skunky Glins**** 2009-11-25 21:09|| 2009-11-25 21:09|| Front Page Top

#16 So, we have one and a half sentences regarding the information release with no attempt to excuse its astonishing content. The other 85% is typical AGW propaganda. What are these people thinking about? Careers are going down in total disgrace, but it's business as usual with them.

Posted by KBK 2009-11-25 22:32|| 2009-11-25 22:32|| Front Page Top

#17 BTW, that pic looks exactly like Kerry pouring acid on his hand.

Posted by KBK 2009-11-25 22:33|| 2009-11-25 22:33|| Front Page Top

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