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2009-12-30 Europe

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Posted by ryuge 2009-12-30 01:49|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

Posted by elio17 2009-12-30 02:47|| 2009-12-30 02:47|| Front Page Top

#2 Yea, well. I'm most concerned with the damage Europe will do before it finally expires.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-12-30 02:55|| 2009-12-30 02:55|| Front Page Top

#3 But ... wasn't this posted yesterday? With a photo of the author? I can't seem to find it.

Maybe it's a sign of early-onset Alzheimer's?

Posted by Bobby 2009-12-30 06:35|| 2009-12-30 06:35|| Front Page Top

#4 As the date line on the article at the link is December 30, I'd consult my neurologist if I were you, Bobby. If I could remember his name.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-12-30 06:52|| 2009-12-30 06:52|| Front Page Top

#5 See comment #8.

Posted by ed 2009-12-30 07:24|| 2009-12-30 07:24|| Front Page Top

#6 The article was linked in a comment yesterday.

Posted by lotp 2009-12-30 07:30|| 2009-12-30 07:30|| Front Page Top

#7 I care about Europe - egad, it's where I keep all my stuff! /The Tick mode off

Agree with first sinktrapped commenter is that it's the view from a 'ourist', in some way; I certainly can't predict what's coming next, and then next, and then next,... but talks of "demise" certainly are premature. But SHTF, messy stuff, collapse of Nation-States, etc, etc...? Maybe, probably, I don't know, maybe the scenario will unfold like that, or like this. I'm not being shallow, it's basically all that, right now, everything's, everybody's opinion is hot air.
Wait & See.

As for the prevaling meme expressed say by Pam, or Grumpy G(r)om, why not? 2010 Western Europe has nothing to do with the 1960's one, this one is dead (according to local wingnuts, in no small part through jooooooooooooish influence, which is the ironical exact counterpoint to Grumpy G(r)om's own scapegoatism and victimhood-based bitgotry, and actually has some valid roots, as a good 50% of the post-WWII "destructive left" HAS been jewish, without delving into any imaginary GRand Conspiracy)... but, I just am bothered by premature post-mortem of "Europe", IE white european cultures and white european civilization.
We'll see what happens.

And, please, if push comes to shove, and the effeminated EUros try and fight back, please, please, please, don't lapse into that other "conservative" meme, the "fascistic by nature, racist, narrow-minded, tribal,... Europe-from-which-our-ancestors-once-escaped). I love the USA, at least my own imaginary version of it, but, spare me the Ralph Peters fantasies of the diverse, multicultural, race-blind USA having to rescue the hapless "european" muslims from an upcoming genocide, when the unenlightened EUros revert back to their roots.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-12-30 08:48|| 2009-12-30 08:48|| Front Page Top

#8 "Fifty million North Africans from Muslim countries are to be imported into the EU."

Sorry but that's utter BS

Posted by European Conservative 2009-12-30 08:52|| 2009-12-30 08:52|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm not being shallow, it's basically all that, right now, everything's, everybody's opinion is hot air.

Just ONE, single, thoughts exercise : set yourself back in late 2001, or early 2002 mindset; now, devote a part of your mighty brain to dwelve into what is known of BHO's background, with all its "colourful" and byzantine bits.

Pray tell, does any of the gentlemen (and the odd female) reading this would have simply DARED to imagine having HIM as president in 2010? Think about it... 2001 ----> Nov 2008. Dude.

Really, think about it, and come back and try to tell EUropeans that they are sick - they (we) are, can't deny it, but, well... so are you, and, believe me, no schadenfreude at all here.

Just understand it's not "you" and "us" against "them", it's "us" (yeah, even the israeli, sorry, G(r)om, but AFAIC, israelis are white europeans, in last analysis) and "them".

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-12-30 08:57|| 2009-12-30 08:57|| Front Page Top

#10 EC, knock it off! Can't you see I'm trying, with my feeble means, to sound all deep and wise here! Don't you dare inject some rationality here, you're making me look bad by comparison, you're exposing my schtick. How am I supposed to work my self-esteem here? Have some heart.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-12-30 09:00|| 2009-12-30 09:00|| Front Page Top

#11 So Sorry...

Posted by European Conservative 2009-12-30 09:15|| 2009-12-30 09:15|| Front Page Top

#12 Pray tell, does any of the gentlemen (and the odd female) reading this would have simply DARED to imagine having HIM as president in 2010? Think about it... 2001 ----> Nov 2008. Dude.

Play your own game, think back to 1992 and Billy Boy just being elected defeating Bush I, would anyone then think that Bush II would be elected in 2000 [and then barely by the hanging chad] or that we'd fact 8+ years of full war whose warning was in the first Trade Center bombing then.

The hair breathe win of Bush and the harsh division of the election outcome should have signaled that the country was indeed deeply divided and that the 'other side' would go to any lengths to manufacture a candidate that would gather power. They didn't care who or what it took, just get power back. It could have been Kerry, but the tradition of not changing leaders during war made the difference. When the opportunity presented itself they could have run just about anyone to include Hillary with their traditional alliance while dancing on the corpse of the Republicans who alienated their own with their rapacious behaviors.

Posted by Procopius2k on vacation 2009-12-30 09:16|| 2009-12-30 09:16|| Front Page Top

#13 I certainly concur with your "feeble" assessment. You may also wish to belay the Ralph Peters drivel. I don't recall him ever saying anything of the sort, and I read it all.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-12-30 09:18|| 2009-12-30 09:18|| Front Page Top

#14 WIth EC on this. The "Eurabia" thesis is crap.

For starters, the vast majority of the muslims who come to Europe quickly become secular, or at most, weakly or rarely observant like Christmas-and-Easter Christians. The riots in France were simply race riots by bored, unemployed, 100% secular punks in the cites [projects]. When the imams told them to cease and desist from their favorite pastime of Grand Torch Auto, the kids told the imams to f--- off.

Second, even if most of the muslims in Europe were actually observant, their numbers aren't anywhere close to the 25% threshold that our own Mexicans have already crossed in the southwestern US. The 2nd- and 3rd-generation muslim immigrants have smaller and smaller family sizes than their immigrant forebears.

Finally, you get the sense the tide is turning for ordinary white (and non-white Christian) Europeans. Many of the Dutch have had it. The Swiss have just made their feelings known, in the minaret referendum. The Brits are starting to recover their ancient love of liberty and are protesting their leaders' embrace of sharia and multiculti idiocy.

As to the Euro-Mediterranean thing, it's nothing more than a trade bloc. All about money. Which, when you get down to it, is all the EU really signifies.

Posted by lex 2009-12-30 09:27|| 2009-12-30 09:27|| Front Page Top

#15 Well done Lex.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-12-30 09:31|| 2009-12-30 09:31|| Front Page Top

#16 How about a US-EU free trade zone? I don't want to live in an Asian Century. Our Euro in-laws p*ss us off from time to time, and we them, but let's get real: we and they have vastly more in common than either of us will ever have with the Asians or our respective neighbors to the south.

God help us and our children if "Asian values" ever displace western ones from pride of place in the world. If you don't like euro-socialism, just consider the Indian caste system or the bandit capitalism practiced by the Chinese government and military.

Peoples of the north, unite. Nothing to lose but a dim and bleak future.

Posted by lex 2009-12-30 09:34|| 2009-12-30 09:34|| Front Page Top

#17 I don't recall him ever saying anything of the sort, and I read it all.

Besoeker, can't point to the very article, but I *did* read it (a couple years+ ago, maybe?), and it turned me off him, was reminded of noting it by having poster the JW article above earlier.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-12-30 09:34|| 2009-12-30 09:34|| Front Page Top

#18 One last dig: I don't care for EUcrats and Gore-style crony capitalism any more than the rest of youse, but really, our transatlantic p*ssfest is a tempest in a p*sspot. You ain't SEEN corruption till you've been to countries like India, China, Indonesia, for that matter Brazil, Russia, Ukraine.

We and the EUros are like a old couple. We quarrel constantly, he-says-she's-a-nag-and-she-says-he's-domineering, but neither of us has ANYTHING in common with the primitive, brutal, authoritarian and thoroughly corrupt and rapacious political economy you find outside the West.

It would behoove us to remember who the real enemies of freedom and individual dignity are.

Posted by lex 2009-12-30 09:40|| 2009-12-30 09:40|| Front Page Top

#19 "How about a US-EU free trade zone?"

We're working on it. Might be reality in 2020

Posted by European Conservative 2009-12-30 09:41|| 2009-12-30 09:41|| Front Page Top

#20 I certainly concur with your "feeble" assessment.

Sorry, I do what I can, with what I have, the internet allows for people to vent off anonymously, just take it as it comes, and not too seriously... it's not like I am responsible for what I do or say, anyway, or should be held responsible for, at least. That's my whole premise.

I plan on hitting the tipjar for the New Year to alleviate the guilt of being able to speak along others, like if I were a real person (I'm not, but I'm mostly harmless, on the bright side).

Note that I don't read much RP, certainly haven't looked after him lately, but I really liked his "the shah always falls" piece eons ago. I don't have anything against him, it's just that he's not my cup of tea (Steyn falls pretty much in the same camp, though he's very entertaining to read and often funny).

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-12-30 09:44|| 2009-12-30 09:44|| Front Page Top

#21 And yes I agree with Lex. Mrs Geller needs an extended trip to Europe.

There's no such thing as the "Islamization" of European culture. It's simply not there.

Posted by European Conservative 2009-12-30 09:44|| 2009-12-30 09:44|| Front Page Top

#22 I don't want to live in an Asian Century.

I don't mind it. I have more in common with people who work hard, study hard, take care of their families and don't endorse every new intellectual fad that comes along than I do with Europe.

Posted by Steve White 2009-12-30 09:50|| 2009-12-30 09:50|| Front Page Top

#23 I live in California. Was involved with a new school for kids here which, at one point, I hoped might offer my kids an alternative to the dreadful public schools. But now the project has been taken over by an Asian foundation which seeks to promote "Asian values," including
-- putting 40 kids into a classroom
-- kicking back 10% of the California revenues to the foundation, and squeezing profits out of the operation by paying staff slightly more than min. wage
-- violating CA employment laws, eg intervening in employees' private lives and political activity

I miss Europe. I miss the America that looked to Europe as the ultimate source of the best in our civilization and culture.

Posted by lex 2009-12-30 09:53|| 2009-12-30 09:53|| Front Page Top

#24 Steve, I'm all for Americanized Asians. But Asian institutions as they exist today in CHina, India and pretty much all of Asia are profoundly opposed to our basic concepts of individual dignity. Side by side with respect for elders, respect for learning etc is utter contempt for any notion of transparent and honest government, rule of law, individual rights, equality of opportunity etc. Remember, the Asian Americans are the ones who escaped from those sh*tholes. They don't want their girls to wear saris or their boys to have to become gov't whores to make a living.

Posted by lex 2009-12-30 09:59|| 2009-12-30 09:59|| Front Page Top

#25 Just understand it's not "you" and "us" against "them", it's "us" (yeah, even the israeli, sorry, G(r)om, but AFAIC, israelis are white europeans, in last analysis) and "them".

In your dreams.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-12-30 10:00|| 2009-12-30 10:00|| Front Page Top

#26 As for the article at hand, coming from a hyperventillating pamela geller, I'll apply a metric tonne of salt. She's loony.

Posted by AllahHateMe 2009-12-30 10:01|| 2009-12-30 10:01|| Front Page Top

#27 Agree with #26. But living in Europe, I'll keep my powder dry.

Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2009-12-30 14:50|| 2009-12-30 14:50|| Front Page Top

#28 anonymous5089, about half of the Jewish population of Israel come from Arab countries, Iran and North Africa. Given birth rate differentials, that proportion will be considerably higher. The culture of Israel is becoming less European to follow the birthrate -- which the neighboring countries will no doubt discover the hard way. The guilt of the colonizer is a European attitude, not an Arab one.

Posted by trailing wife 2009-12-30 20:04|| 2009-12-30 20:04|| Front Page Top

#29 I took Geller (Atlas Shrugged) off my list quite a while back. Too many hyperbolic, unfounded rants for my taste.

Posted by KBK 2009-12-30 22:45|| 2009-12-30 22:45|| Front Page Top

#30 In 2050 Europe (and the rest of the civilized world) will look very different. We will live (me only hopefully) a high tech information society, with little use for unskilled labor. Automatization in factories will be dominant, services done by intelligent machines (you won't see a cashier in the supermarkets by then).

High skilled services will remain... but we really won't have use for unskilled labor from North Africa.

And Islam is of little or no appeal to the average European not born as a Muslim. That won't change either. If there is a "respiritualization", it will be predominantly Christian.

Muslims living in Europe will also change, and 4th and 5th generations will differ little from, non-Muslim families. You won't see 5th generation Muslim families with 6 kids.

Extremists exist and will exist. We will have to watch over them closely. But Islam is not going mainstream in Europe and never will.

"Euroabia" is a myth created by Bat Yeor. Europe is certainly looking to expand its influence to North Africa and the Middle East, but it will not tolerate things the other way round.

Posted by European Conservative 2009-12-30 23:04|| 2009-12-30 23:04|| Front Page Top

#31 It's okay. Maybe once we all are exposed to non-western European values for a sufficient period, we'll learn to fight back.

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