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2010-02-14 Science

Phil Jones: No Global Warming since 1995, Data disorganized, lost

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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-02-14 06:03|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Wow! Double wow!

Posted by phil_b 2010-02-14 07:40|| 2010-02-14 07:40|| Front Page Top

#2 this was from a British paper

The WaPost today was filled with half a dozen warmist columns and apologia while the Climategate and IPCC stories have been buried or only partly reported.

Posted by lord garth 2010-02-14 08:03|| 2010-02-14 08:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Just denying these scoundrels what they want won't work, because, like career criminals, they will just keep trying. If one door is locked, they will try the windows. They want money and power.

Therefore, they must be removed from their positions of power, and prosecuted for fraudulently obtaining the monies they use to promulgate their schemes. Since they won't stop any other way, they have to be put in prison, just like other criminals.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-02-14 08:41|| 2010-02-14 08:41|| Front Page Top

#4 How would he know?

By looking at the actual data sets before he and his pseudo-scientific fellow travelers tampered with them. These guys would have failed high school science lab for not showing their work.

Posted by SteveS 2010-02-14 09:38|| 2010-02-14 09:38|| Front Page Top

#5 And the BBC is starting to hammer these guys. Watch to the very end to see the host virtually tell the expert Ph.D. that he doesn't believe him. The US media is really trailing the Brits.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-02-14 09:44|| 2010-02-14 09:44|| Front Page Top

#6 Let me try again with that BBC link

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-02-14 09:46|| 2010-02-14 09:46|| Front Page Top

#7 he may have actually lost the relevant papers

No problemo. The Goracle has it all in his head.

Posted by Matt 2010-02-14 10:25|| 2010-02-14 10:25|| Front Page Top

#8 The WaPost today was filled with half a dozen warmist columns and apologia ...

Ditto the Chicago Tribune this morning. The US papers are still running interference for global warming.

Posted by Steve White 2010-02-14 10:48|| 2010-02-14 10:48|| Front Page Top

#9 ...he should step down from the position and go back to teaching.

And teaching what?

Posted by Willy 2010-02-14 10:48|| 2010-02-14 10:48|| Front Page Top

#10 The US papers are still running interference for global warming

Probably because they're too 'understaffed' (or too lazy, stupid, etc.) to produce their own columns. Most of the AGW articles are coming from Rooters, APEE, and McClutchy

Posted by Mullah Richard 2010-02-14 11:18|| 2010-02-14 11:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Another little tidbit here.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2010-02-14 11:20|| 2010-02-14 11:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Okay - why is the top climate guy a world bank "scientist".
Somehow "World Bank" and "scientist" seem to be mutually exclusive concepts...

Posted by 3dc 2010-02-14 12:27|| 2010-02-14 12:27|| Front Page Top

#13 "If he can't manage his lab properly, he should step down from the position and go back to teaching."

And allow him to devote himself to indoctrinating future generations of true believers in his global warming religion? Not a good idea.

Posted by Dave D. 2010-02-14 13:21|| 2010-02-14 13:21|| Front Page Top

#14 I was thinking along the lines of Physics 101-102 for Fine Arts majors, guys, not Climatology 753: long-term prediction from imaginary data sets.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-02-14 14:13|| 2010-02-14 14:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Good one, TW

Posted by badanov 2010-02-14 14:14|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2010-02-14 14:14|| Front Page Top

#16 I hope you read and understand this time.

Long Term prediction based on recursive models is impossible.

This is due to Exponential Error

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2010-02-14 16:11|| 2010-02-14 16:11|| Front Page Top

#17 Perhaps the least well understood aspect to this whole thing is that people have an irrational faith in what computers tell them.

This was first brought home to me about 15 years ago, when after many weeks of work, I finally proved the output from a large computer system was seriously wrong. When I finally unveiled my findings I expected congratulations for an impressive piece of work. What I got was emotional reactions.

I have never seen this phenomena documented anywhere, but I'm sure it was a major factor in the acceptance of the climate model's predictions, despite their increasing divergence from reality.

Posted by phil_b 2010-02-14 16:42|| 2010-02-14 16:42|| Front Page Top

#18 Maybe we should insist it's called the more accurate term "Programmer Modelling".

In the UEA's case it's extremely bad programmer modelling.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2010-02-14 17:02|| 2010-02-14 17:02|| Front Page Top

#19 AGW left the scientific realm a long time ago. It is more of a theology now. The true believers are never, ever going to say they were wrong no matter who says they basically pulled it all out of their @ss and, BTW, the dog ate their data, too.

I mean, c'mon. "Settled science" is their dogma, "peer review" is their priesthood, and the graphs made from data that can't be verified but must be taken on faith are all their holy scripture. Throw in mankind's original sin ~ the minute Urk the Caveman chopped down a tree and released that eeeeeevvvill carbon dioxide into the pristine atmosphere by burning it for heat ~ and you're set. Any deniers from the true faith (aka heretics) must be shouted down or ignored (excommunicated).

Just like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, they got a good, long run on dictating behavior (and a sizable take from the ruling classes) and they will not give it up without a fight.

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2010-02-14 17:23|| 2010-02-14 17:23|| Front Page Top

#20 Do you mind if I burst out laughing.

Even a half witted architect could tell they were cooking the books. When you consider how everyone talked about how much warmer it was during the dinosaurs and how there was an ice age that melted as the earth warmed.

If the earth warmed and cooled millions/billions of years before Urk the caveman invented fire..how they heck could it have been a man made phenomenon?

Environazis are just communists with a different jersey color.

Posted by Karl Rove 2010-02-14 21:19|| 2010-02-14 21:19|| Front Page Top

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