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2011-01-08 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 13:41|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Not just her, but 11 others. Some reports say she's already dead. Prayers for her and victims families.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 13:58|| 2011-01-08 13:58|| Front Page Top

#2 11 others also shot. Gunman was caught by the crowd

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 13:58|| 2011-01-08 13:58|| Front Page Top

#3 Heavy traffic at the headline link right now. This link is working for now.

Terrible, depressing news.

Posted by ryuge 2011-01-08 14:01|| 2011-01-08 14:01|| Front Page Top

#4 she and 6 others are dead per NPR

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 14:16|| 2011-01-08 14:16|| Front Page Top

#5 Reading comments from yahoo to drudge links, it seems the kooky right is being blamed.

I suspect this was a Cartel or Gang hit. One report has witnesses claimg a late teens to early 20's. The spread of the shots too is sloppy. Fox has source saying Gifford is dead too, looking for another, so I expect she will be. I want to know who the shooter was NOW.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 14:21|| 2011-01-08 14:21|| Front Page Top

#6 They always blame the right Charles - even after it's been proved otherwise - its how the Media works.

Looks like some are already blaming Sarah Palin...

Prayers to her and her family.

Posted by CrazyFool 2011-01-08 14:38|| 2011-01-08 14:38|| Front Page Top

#7 I wouldn't want this to happen to even Dingy Harry. This is the wrong way to go about political discourse.

More than likely, it is some weird kook that blamed her for all his problems. Wars start this way, however.

Posted by DarthVader 2011-01-08 14:42|| 2011-01-08 14:42|| Front Page Top

#8 Gawker has this and more:

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He was "not particularly well-dressed"; he didn't look like a businessman, but more of a "fringe character," Rayle said. The sheriff's department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-01-08 14:44|| 2011-01-08 14:44|| Front Page Top

#9 La Raza supporter?

Posted by Water Modem 2011-01-08 14:45|| 2011-01-08 14:45|| Front Page Top

#10 now MSNBC says she's alive?

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 14:53|| 2011-01-08 14:53|| Front Page Top

#11 Most likely a lone nutter. That won't stop the haters on the hard left from blaming everyone from John Boehner to Rush Limbaugh.

Prayers for Ms. Giffords soul, prayers for her family, prayers for the souls and families of all the others who were shot.

Posted by Steve White 2011-01-08 14:53|| 2011-01-08 14:53|| Front Page Top

#12 The whole probelm with the "right-wing" theory is there alot more pulbic and better targets. I wouldn't trust gawker with my laundry.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 14:53|| 2011-01-08 14:53|| Front Page Top

#13 was there absolutely no security at this event? 1 article I read says the sheriffs office arrived at the scene too take the man in custody but you would think there would be at leats minimal local lpolice at a politcal event with a member of congress in attendance.

Posted by chris 2011-01-08 14:56|| 2011-01-08 14:56|| Front Page Top

#14 KOLD reporting that Giffords is still alive and in surgery!

Posted by ryuge 2011-01-08 15:01|| 2011-01-08 15:01|| Front Page Top

#15 Don't know about security Chris, but probably light considering she's done this before and it was at a Family Values foodstore. Also newwest reports say Gifford is ALIVE. Which is incredible considering all reports say she was shot in the head at Point-blank range.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 15:09|| 2011-01-08 15:09|| Front Page Top

#16 Lots of conflicting reports. Some say she's died, others say she's in surgery in Tucson. There are at LEAST three dead. It'll take awhile to sort through all the garbage to find the truth. Probably won't know before late this evening or tomorrow. At least they've caught the perp.

Posted by Old Patriot 2011-01-08 15:18|| 2011-01-08 15:18|| Front Page Top

#17 I jumped over to DU and on post #15 they finally accused.....Sarah Palin. Because she was on her target map. I hope she pull through, they conivct the person(s) responsible, and execute them.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2011-01-08 15:37|| 2011-01-08 15:37|| Front Page Top

#18 Reports now coming in that Rep. Giffords has died. One of her last public acts was voting against Pelosi for Speaker of the House. Giffords voted for some other Democrat.
Reports are saying at least 4 others are dead.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-01-08 15:44|| 2011-01-08 15:44|| Front Page Top

#19 Waiting on hospital news conference. Already overdue, Though Fox just confirmed Federal Judge John M Roll shot and killed at event as well.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 15:54|| 2011-01-08 15:54|| Front Page Top

#20 Statement By The President
Statement From Nancy Pelosi
Sarah Palin

Posted by tipper 2011-01-08 15:55|| 2011-01-08 15:55|| Front Page Top

#21 22 year-old Jared Raufner identified as shooter by Fox, White male. That's all that is known. The fact he's a White Male is enough though for the idiots to start crowing.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 16:07|| 2011-01-08 16:07|| Front Page Top

#22 Press Conference just happened. Giffords Alive, out of surgery, doctors as optimistic as they can be in this situation. She's under anestasia(sp?). Confirmed child died at hostpital, 10 others there. 5 critical, 5 in Operating Rooms.

Obama scheduled to address Nation in 5 minutes.

Posted by Charles 2011-01-08 16:14|| 2011-01-08 16:14|| Front Page Top

#23 Name: Jared Lee Loughner, 22.

MySpace page removed. YouTube channel still up.

Other news reports are that the bullet passed right through her brain, and that a federal judge was also killed.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-01-08 16:24|| 2011-01-08 16:24|| Front Page Top

#24 his youtube is weird - hard to get his leanings

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 16:27|| 2011-01-08 16:27|| Front Page Top

#25 Shooter's Favorite Books:

Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-01-08 16:30|| 2011-01-08 16:30|| Front Page Top

#26 His leanings are toward wacko. He'll be portrayed as Tea Party.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-01-08 16:35|| 2011-01-08 16:35|| Front Page Top

#27 His youtube

"In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!

No! I won't trust in God!"

Posted by Beavis 2011-01-08 16:39|| 2011-01-08 16:39|| Front Page Top

#28 If the youtube channel linked above does in fact belong to the shooter, his list of favorite books is really the only thing telling about him at this point:

Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Posted by eltoroverde 2011-01-08 16:40|| 2011-01-08 16:40|| Front Page Top

#29 Gateway Pundit has his favorite youtube vid: burning an American flag in America: Your Last Memory In a Terrorist Country!

sounds like a real rightwinger and tea partier...not

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 16:50|| 2011-01-08 16:50|| Front Page Top

#30 his list of favorite books is really the only thing telling about him at this point:

So, he's bookworm.

Posted by badanov 2011-01-08 16:51|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2011-01-08 16:51|| Front Page Top

#31 Shep Smith (I hate him) had AZ State Senator Linda Lopez on - she said she'd heard he was an "Afghan War Vet". Despicable POS

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 16:53|| 2011-01-08 16:53|| Front Page Top

#32 #31 Shep Smith (I hate him) Frank

I suspect Smith has some sugar in his pocket. After listening to Beck's pycho-babble last evening, I'm ready to give him the boot as well.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-01-08 17:03|| 2011-01-08 17:03|| Front Page Top

#33 When I was 24, my favorite authors were Richard Condon Robert Ludlum and Joseph Wambaugh.

I would only read that other stuff under duress of a college class assignment.

Posted by badanov 2011-01-08 17:05|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2011-01-08 17:05|| Front Page Top

#34 lots of phoney facebook pages are appering now
example
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001935064664

Jared LaughnerAdd as Friend

Like · 15,870 people like this.
Philosophy
People Who Inspire Jared

*
[Sara Palin]
Sara Palin
*
[Sarah Palin]
Sarah Palin

Activities and Interests
Other
Tea Party Patriots, Sara Palin

Basic Information
Sex Male
Interested In Men

Posted by linker 2011-01-08 17:06|| 2011-01-08 17:06|| Front Page Top

#35 I would only read that other stuff under duress of a college class assignment.
Posted by badanov

Or if you enjoyed gay themes.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-01-08 17:12|| 2011-01-08 17:12|| Front Page Top

#36 I would only read that other stuff under duress of a college class assignment.
Posted by badanov 2011-01-08 17:05

Most of what I know in life, I learned from Penthouse Letters. I've been perpetually disappointed

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 17:13|| 2011-01-08 17:13|| Front Page Top

#37 Sugar in his pocket?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-01-08 17:26|| 2011-01-08 17:26|| Front Page Top

#38 In the modern era, the majority of political assassins in America have been leftists. If it turns out that this guy was left-wing, it would fit the pattern.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2011-01-08 17:40|| 2011-01-08 17:40|| Front Page Top

#39 ~~Krugman~~ Sicko: Assassination Attempt In Arizona

Posted by tipper 2011-01-08 17:45|| 2011-01-08 17:45|| Front Page Top

#40 His reading list sounds like an AP English class, or the bookshelves of a parent who had a degree in English lit, not things picked up due to interest at a bookstore or library. Nobody seems to read The Phantom Tollbooth anymore, more's the pity. But anyone who's faves include both em>The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf does not live to the right (or left) of psychotic on the political spectrum.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-01-08 17:50|| 2011-01-08 17:50|| Front Page Top

#41 It seems that our shooter was an atheist but more importantly someone inimical towards those who have a spiritual life.

The MSM will surely not mention this at all in the coming days.

Posted by no mo uro 2011-01-08 17:53|| 2011-01-08 17:53|| Front Page Top

#42 @tipper #39 - Krugman took down comments because he was afraid it would turn into a flame war. (Huh... ya think, Paul?)

Posted by eLarson 2011-01-08 18:07|| 2011-01-08 18:07|| Front Page Top

#43 IMHO it sounds like he'd describe himself as a left-wing anarchist*.

*With all that cognitive dissonance, no wonder he's insane.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2011-01-08 18:08|| 2011-01-08 18:08|| Front Page Top

#44 It is unacceptable what this kid did. He shall be in the hole quite a while.
This is America, Bless all of our Representatives.

Posted by newc 2011-01-08 18:13|| 2011-01-08 18:13|| Front Page Top

#45 he shot and killed a child. F*** him. I hope he's kept in a dank dark cell til they give him the needle.

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-08 18:20|| 2011-01-08 18:20|| Front Page Top

#46 He blew a federal judge away, too. That should seal it for him.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-01-08 18:23|| 2011-01-08 18:23|| Front Page Top

#47 Ironically, with the bullet passing entirely through her skull case, might have been a "better" injury than had it gone in halfway and stuck. This was a discovery made in 1559 with the death of King Henry II of France, resulting in the biggest leap in knowledge about the human brain until the US Civil War.

That is, a "drain hole" prevents a very destructive, even lethal build up of blood and pressure in the brain. And the flow of blood might even wash out contamination and provide a little oxygenation to otherwise starved tissue.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-01-08 18:25|| 2011-01-08 18:25|| Front Page Top

#48 Someone has a shovel, I'll bring the honey.

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-01-08 18:34|| 2011-01-08 18:34|| Front Page Top

#49 A woman who claims she was a classmate of his Twittered the following:

Caitie Parker @catieparker

Saying Jared Laughner was the gunman. Really hoping that's not the same guy I went to HS with, really good friend. Freaking out right now!!!

Catie Parker
Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.

Catie Parker
He was a poticial radical & met Giffords once before on '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"

Catie Parker
He was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix, The DOors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class

Catie Parker
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.

Catie Parker
he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.

Catie Parker
more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.

Catie Parker
it's loughner just checked my year book.

Catie Parker
This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-01-08 18:39|| 2011-01-08 18:39|| Front Page Top

#50 Catie Parker
This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me

You must mean Good Morning, Catie Parker

Posted by badanov 2011-01-08 18:47|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2011-01-08 18:47|| Front Page Top

#51 The left are making a big deal out of Sarah Palin putting a gunsight on her as one congressman targeted for election defeat. However, KOS put a bullseye on her, first.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-01-08 18:50|| 2011-01-08 18:50|| Front Page Top

#52 This was a comment from his "favorite" video -

You leftwing assholes just don't want to face facts that the dude killed a federal judge...a Bush appointee...and a moderate Dem. congresswoman was wounded...and Jared's page shows he was a liberal...his classmates said he was a liberal. His videos show he was anti conservative. His blogs show he was liberal. So stop talking out of your asses, you stupid fucks!

Looks like he was pretty liberal. Also, on his youtube page, Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto were among his favorite literary works.

I don't know if he picked her because she happened to be closest or not, but I'll bet he thinks she isn't "left" enough.

When I heard she had been shot, my first words were "I'll bet it was a liberal who did it."

Posted by gorb 2011-01-08 18:55|| 2011-01-08 18:55|| Front Page Top

#53 It's kind of amusing how the media, reliably left-wing as usual, never looks at left-wing kooks. Its gaze is perpetually fixed on right-wing kooks. Kaczynski killed 3 and maimed dozens. No analysis of left-wing extremists followed. Both Kennedys were assassinated by left-wing extremists, Sirhan and Oswald. No real analysis of the movement that spawned these perps. Ditto with the guy who almost did in Reagan.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2011-01-08 19:22|| 2011-01-08 19:22|| Front Page Top

#54 Nor will the media consider that politics doesn't explain everything. Sometimes it's just straight-up kookitude. John Hinckley was mainly out to impress Jodie Foster, no? As TW points out, Loughner's views sound utterly incoherent rather than right or left. Interesting that he posted what sounds like a suicide note - yet, he lived. A failed suicide-by-cop?

Posted by RandomJD 2011-01-08 19:56|| 2011-01-08 19:56|| Front Page Top

#55 "When I heard she had been shot, my first words were "I'll bet it was a liberal who did it.""

Isn't it usually, gorb? :-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2011-01-08 20:20|| 2011-01-08 20:20|| Front Page Top

#56 fwiw, Giffords is AZ's first Jewish US Representative

Posted by lord garth 2011-01-08 20:31|| 2011-01-08 20:31|| Front Page Top

#57 Unlike Goldwater who was an Episcopalian. I guess the desert sun confuses everybody.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-01-08 20:38|| 2011-01-08 20:38|| Front Page Top

#58 Dude was obsessed with Govt. mind control

from inf*wars dealing with his utube posts

link

also photos of him
from sm*king g*n
link

Posted by linker 2011-01-08 21:04|| 2011-01-08 21:04|| Front Page Top

#59 huffy p*st

link

8:38 PM ET 2nd Perp Sought

Coppers are seeking a second perp in today's assassination attempt, Chief Constible Dupnik says.

Posted by linker 2011-01-08 21:11|| 2011-01-08 21:11|| Front Page Top

#60 A Nobel Prize winner hit a new low today:
We dont have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. Shes been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that shes a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that the whole Tea Party was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palins infamous crosshairs list.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-01-08 21:43|| 2011-01-08 21:43|| Front Page Top

#61 Man linked to Giffords shooting rampage called 'very disturbed'

Posted by tipper 2011-01-08 22:42|| 2011-01-08 22:42|| Front Page Top

#62 a 'favorite' has shown up on his utube site (i do not think i missed it before - ?)
link

Titled - America: Your Last Memory In A Terrorist Country!
By - Starhitshnaz's Channel
this was upped 4 months ago

Posted by linker 2011-01-08 23:05|| 2011-01-08 23:05|| Front Page Top

#63

2011-01-08 23:10|| Front Page Top

#64 Full text of Jared Loughner Final Thoughts: Insane Frappe of Arizona Libertarianism

Posted by tipper 2011-01-08 23:13|| 2011-01-08 23:13|| Front Page Top

23:13 tipper
23:10 wr
23:09 Mikey Hunt
23:05 linker
23:03 CrazyFool
23:02 Mikey Hunt
23:01 Rambler in Virginia
22:42 tipper
22:37 NoMoreBS
21:54 Bobby
21:50 Bobby
21:43 Anguper Hupomosing9418
21:40 Chief
21:11 linker
21:04 linker
21:00 Bright Pebbles
20:38 Nimble Spemble
20:31 lord garth
20:20 Barbara Skolaut
20:15 Old Patriot
20:12 Besoeker
20:07 Old Patriot
20:03 Skunky Glins****
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