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2011-09-16 Home Front: WoT

FBI Teaches Agents: 'Mainstream' Muslims Are 'Violent, Radical'

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Posted by Uncle Phester 2011-09-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 Dar Al Islam does recognize the entire world at war with the ideology. Until the entire earth is taken over under the caliphate, the entire world is to have war from Islam. That's what people do not read.

Ergo, if your nation is not a nation under Shariah law, it is to be attacked until they submit. This is a very important point that must be re-iterated.

Posted by newc 2011-09-16 01:04|| 2011-09-16 01:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Somebody has a clue.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-09-16 04:02|| 2011-09-16 04:02|| Front Page Top

#3 It's an outside lecturer and the powerpoint slides are at the link. I have to agree with the leaker that this does not seem like the proper criminal justice mind set to detect imminently dangerous individuals.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-09-16 05:27|| 2011-09-16 05:27|| Front Page Top

#4 If you're talking about folks that pray 6 times a day every day that's one thing. If you're talking about the guys that call themselves muslim while drinking beers after work its another.

I think the FBI is talking about the first group and I'm hesitant to second guess their expertise on such matters.

Posted by rjschwarz 2011-09-16 09:04|| 2011-09-16 09:04|| Front Page Top

#5 There is, it appears, a tension between the literal teachings of the Sunni tradition - under which violent jihad and the imposition of Shari'a are deemed to be mandatory for the faithful - and the attitudes of many Muslims. This tension is illustrated by the fact that before 9/11 the largest and most consistent target of both verbal and physical attacks by Islamicists were authorities in their own countries who were deemed insufficiently Muslim in practice.

An added complication is that there is strong evidence in the traditional teachings for a doctrine and practice of gradually revealing those demands to the new believer. That is, the early verses about peace are then nuanced with increasing demands about the implications of belief and obedience, ending in a call to jihad and Shari'a in 'the wilderness', i.e. against those who do not submit. In addition, the tradition demands violent suppression of anyone who 'defames' Islam - and truth is no defense against the claim of defamation, which is deemed to be anything that might deflect people from accepting and submitting to Islam. This is the basis for demands that no cartoons be published ridiculing the Prophet. It is also the basis for the UN's increasingly dangerous stance against 'Islamaphobia' and 'racism' - i.e. against any criticism of Islam or of actions taken in the name of Islam.

Or so I've been told by people who've studied this in some detail. If accurate, it illustrates both the difficulty our authorities have in discerning the situation and in responding effectively.

Islam would benefit IMO from a Reformation to resolve the tension and re-interpret the tradition. This would allow moderate Muslims to be theologically coherent with a modern life while preserving a picture for living in an obedient and faith-directed manner. Whether it can in fact generate and sustain such a reformation is a very open question.

Posted by lotp 2011-09-16 09:27|| 2011-09-16 09:27|| Front Page Top

#6 I believe the contradiction is not between the teachings so much as the strategies.

One group wanted to remove the dictators in the Islamic world and install them theocrats to create a Caliphate that could take over everything. To do this they drew in the west hoping such a move would deligitimize the dictators or cause the West to stop backing them.

The other group wanted to change the west through migration and impossing shiara where possible. Using the West's own PC attitudes against them.

Unfortunately for Islam the attacks by the first group on Sept 11 hoping to get the west to back off their support for dictators and drive up enlistment in their Jihad drew attention to the plans of the second group.

Both groups agree on most things except strategy and now are doing backflips trying to get things back on track. They awoke a sleeing giant but he's still groggy and not filled with a lot of terrible resolve, not yet.

There is a third group that has sided with the west or hasn't chosen a side yet but I'm not really talking about them.

Posted by rjschwarz 2011-09-16 10:16|| 2011-09-16 10:16|| Front Page Top

#7 UPDATE: FBI Bows To CAIR, Pulls Training Session That Taught Reasons Islam Is More Prone To Violence

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/16/fbi-bows-to-cair-pulls-training-session-that-taught-reasons-islam-is-more-prone-to-violence/

Posted by Uncle Phester 2011-09-16 11:02|| 2011-09-16 11:02|| Front Page Top

#8 And some more....:
Senators Blast FBI Terror-Training Lies

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09/senators-fbi-lies/

Posted by Uncle Phester 2011-09-16 19:31|| 2011-09-16 19:31|| Front Page Top

#9 "Islam would benefit IMO from a Reformation to resolve the tension and re-interpret the tradition. This would allow moderate Muslims to be theologically coherent with a modern life while preserving a picture for living in an obedient and faith-directed manner. Whether it can in fact generate and sustain such a reformation is a very open question."

Possible, improbable.

Well, as has been told me, Once a formidable Ummah has been formed, any of the Shariah law may be changed. Yet this depends on what a formidable Ummah is. A stromg regional Ummah, or be it the entire Caliphate. Either way, any diction of the sort will never work with that Ideology as it, just like Communism, dehumanizes and divides people. Curious if it was intended, after all, it was the Arch-Angel Gabriel that appears to a false prophet to herald the end of the world.

Wonder what that may be?

Posted by newc 2011-09-16 23:11|| 2011-09-16 23:11|| Front Page Top

#10 "It's an outside lecturer and the powerpoint slides are at the link. I have to agree with the leaker that this does not seem like the proper criminal justice mind set to detect imminently dangerous individuals."

Background in their beliefs show or magnify the various ways they peruse their ultimate goal. That in itself may be a powerful tool. Helps learn you about behavioral characteristics and increased radicalization as they switch groups either from moderate to radical or vice verse. Most often found on the internet nowadays.

I am just looking at it by operational analysis.

Posted by newc 2011-09-16 23:18|| 2011-09-16 23:18|| Front Page Top

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