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2012-01-12 The Grand Turk

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-01-12 02:09|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Herzl met the Sultan in 1901. By then the Ottoman Empire had been falling apart for a century and had already begun the Armenian genocide.

At their meeting Herzl offered the Sultan financial assistance and financial management assistance in return for settlement rights. The Sultan didn't accept the offer.

Posted by Lord Garth 2012-01-12 04:20|| 2012-01-12 04:20|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm thinking joining in ww1 might have done it.

Posted by Omose Angeaque7353 2012-01-12 05:42|| 2012-01-12 05:42|| Front Page Top

#3 A footstool is hardly a sound basis for an empire.

Posted by Cincinnatus Chili 2012-01-12 07:53|| 2012-01-12 07:53|| Front Page Top

#4 Damn, them juice are powerful! I guess they can do away with Turkey too.

Posted by Spot 2012-01-12 08:49|| 2012-01-12 08:49|| Front Page Top

#5 If the Turks showed any damned sense they'd work with the Kurds and the Jews to reestablish the Ottoman Empire (at least over the section East of the Suez). If they kept a lid on things and kept the oil flowing the world would look the other way on anything else they did to the trouble-makers in their midst.

Posted by rjschwarz 2012-01-12 09:16|| 2012-01-12 09:16|| Front Page Top

#6 Cincinnatus Chili wins. :-D

Posted by Barbara 2012-01-12 13:01|| 2012-01-12 13:01|| Front Page Top

#7 The Ottoman Empire began to collapse when the Turks began to systematically exclude non-Turkish Muslims from positions of authority. The Arabs then began demanding independence.

The Armenian protests originally began as demands to gain full Ottoman citizenship. The problem was that the Ottomans could not grant a bunch of non-muslims citizenship without giving up the idea that the Ottoman Empire was the Caliphate. It was easier to kill them.

Where were the Jews in all of this? Nowhere. The Jews during this time were spectators while different groups of Muslims battled it out.

Once again Jews are blamed for other people's failures.

Posted by Frozen Al 2012-01-12 14:56|| 2012-01-12 14:56|| Front Page Top

#8 I blame the ottoman for my stubbed toe.

Posted by SteveS 2012-01-12 15:04|| 2012-01-12 15:04|| Front Page Top

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