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2013-11-24 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Nuclear deal reached with Mad Mullahs™
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Posted by Steve White 2013-11-24 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1786 views ]  Top

#1 As long as the fracking oil boom in the US and a few other countries continues, the price of oil will probably remain below $100/barrel and as long as that happens, Iran will have considerable financial problems, with or without sanctions.

Financial problems are one thing, we have them too. However, the sanctions are probably hurting the mullah owned businesses in Iran. How much is unknown by anyone in the west but they must be hurting if Iran is at the table at all.

It is painful to think that the advantages we have from the sanctions will be traded for very little but if that little includes enough inspection activity to improve targeting, that might make the pain less.



Posted by lord garth 2013-11-24 00:27||   2013-11-24 00:27|| Front Page Top

#2 You have now witnessed a "Lord Neville Chamberlain Moment" in world "diplomatic" history, regarding the rise of a hostile Islamic nation, anxious to become a Nuclear power.

Negotiations had run into the late evening, with the foreign ministers of Britain, France, Germany, China, Russia the European Union and the United States


Forgotten are the chants of Death to America, November 4, 1979 - About 500 Iranian "students" seize control of the U.S. embassy in Tehran and take 90 people hostage including 66 Americans working in the embassy.

Have the American "foreign ministers" forgotten this "little piece of American history" ?

Posted by Au Auric 2013-11-24 00:29||   2013-11-24 00:29|| Front Page Top

#3 The only way we will know for sure if Iran's nuclear program is peaceful or not is when Tel Aviv and maybe a few other Israeli cities disappear under mushroom clouds.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-11-24 00:32||   2013-11-24 00:32|| Front Page Top

#4 So Israel has been sold out for some takqia promises by some psychopathic despots masquerading as religious leaders. This will result in the glazing over of Tel Aviv. Teheran and a whole lot more. For shame. And what will the Senate do? Will they ratify this sellout treaty? My heart is sick.

The only reassuring thing is that Israel will do what it must do to survive.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2013-11-24 00:55||   2013-11-24 00:55|| Front Page Top

#5 Can we have a surprise mater please?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-24 03:17||   2013-11-24 03:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Unfinished business from the Carter and Reagan years, little more. Sadly, it now very much impacts the only democracy and hope for mankind in the region.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 03:18||   2013-11-24 03:18|| Front Page Top

#7 Relax Besoeker. Nobody (among people who matter) in Israel ever assumed that USA will take care of Iran---Obama or no Obama.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-24 03:48||   2013-11-24 03:48|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes g(r)om, "assumption" appears to still be holding it's own as the mother of all disasters. Decades of so-called nation building in the Muslim world has left us penniless and confused. Well, some of us at least.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 04:11||   2013-11-24 04:11|| Front Page Top

#9 The confused are not penniless, whereas...
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-24 04:19||   2013-11-24 04:19|| Front Page Top

#10 Between this and the news story that Iran is building two more nuke sites it's clear to me that Iran is good to it's word.
Posted by Mike N. 2013-11-24 05:42||   2013-11-24 05:42|| Front Page Top

#11 Targeting is nice. We seem to be GIVING them a great deal of money as well.

I can't help but feel anything "negotiated " by Kerry is suspect. I wouldn't trust Kerry to tie his shoes without help.

I don't really know WHY we negotiated with Iran. I liked it better when we had them down and were strangling them blue . I found it enjoyable that they had to pay 37,000 rials for a loaf of bread.
A good rule to follow is when you get them down keep kicking them in the head and neck...harder. There is no substitute for dead.
Posted by Spereting Tingle4064 2013-11-24 06:40||   2013-11-24 06:40|| Front Page Top

#12 They're simply using the Nork/Pak playbook. Make a deal, then watch the USD's roll in. Works for them, it'll work of the Mullahs as well.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 07:52||   2013-11-24 07:52|| Front Page Top

#13 Smartest man in the world, Harvard educated foreign student lawyer and constitutional expert is now 'spiking ball' this morning on Fox News. Terms of reference are not "containment" but rather prevention. Words do matter.

If you like your nuclear program, you can keep it...period !
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 08:14||   2013-11-24 08:14|| Front Page Top

#14 #13...bassackwards. He's using the term "containment" now, rather than prevention.

Sorry.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 08:30||   2013-11-24 08:30|| Front Page Top

#15 P5+1 powers signed the treaty: United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom, and France, plus Germany. Israel and the Saudis are not on the lis in the list--a couple of major players most greatly affected by this treaty. Are we to believe a group of Shi'a mullahs who believe institutionalized lying (taqiyya and kitman) is acceptable to achieve your ends? By the way it sounds like Champ also. We will be dealing with the threat of nuclear mushroom clouds (or actual clouds) in the future.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-11-24 10:16||   2013-11-24 10:16|| Front Page Top

#16 It's simple for me. Israeli PM Netanyahu: Iran nuclear deal 'historic mistake' . I trust Netanyahu more than I trust Obama and Kerry. Netanyahu has a lot more skin in the game.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2013-11-24 10:39||   2013-11-24 10:39|| Front Page Top

#17 Another signature achievement for Obama's legacy.

And for you visitors, that IS cynical sarcasm.
Posted by Bobby 2013-11-24 11:18||   2013-11-24 11:18|| Front Page Top

#18 Comparing this "deal" to Munich is an insult to Neville Chamberlain. At least Chamberlain had to worry about Hitler having at least parity if not real superiority in military and economic power. Here, starting from a position of enormous military and economic superiority, Champ and John Fn Kerry have sold out a gallant ally for magic beans. Chamberlain would have been disturbed, and Churchill's response would have been both memorable and unprintable.
Posted by Matt 2013-11-24 11:27||   2013-11-24 11:27|| Front Page Top

#19 More from The Mail.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 11:32||   2013-11-24 11:32|| Front Page Top

#20 This is nothing more than Obama showing contempt for Israel and his desire for leveling the playing field between Islam and the West. He is strategically trying to dismantle the wests control of the world and give it to Islam.
Posted by 49 Pan 2013-11-24 11:54||   2013-11-24 11:54|| Front Page Top

#21 The Cynicismeter says that The Won and his media stooges were desperate for anything, absolutely anything, that could get the Obamacare debacle and the Clay-Footed Messiah's cratering poll numbers off the front pages.

Plus I couldn't help but notice that the basset-faced lady with bad British dental work who runs the EU's foreign policy shop had a sheaf of papers in her hand at the announcement ceremony. Wonder if there's a shot anywhere of her waving the papers a la Chamberlain?
Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2013-11-24 11:59||   2013-11-24 11:59|| Front Page Top

#22 Besoeker: it was obvious when Champ took office, and from the jokers at CIA who wrote the national intelligence brief before that, that it would be all about "containment". We've been sending the message for quite a while that Iran could have a nuke if it wanted. They want.

So Iran will in the near future have a nuke. They have a delivery system today. They will need to miniaturize the nuke to fit the rocket. They will need some guidance system work. But in the near future they will have a serviceable IRBM.

And they have an enemies list that's longer than just Israel.

This will not end well.

Should have posted this with the Chamberlain pic.
Posted by Steve White 2013-11-24 12:16||   2013-11-24 12:16|| Front Page Top

#23 They will need to miniaturize the nuke to fit the rocket.

That sounds like work. Can't we just put one on a shrimp boat and send it up the Houston Ship Channel? We may be pretending otherwise, but Israel is not the only party with skin in the game.
Posted by SteveS 2013-11-24 12:52||   2013-11-24 12:52|| Front Page Top

#24 Not what he was saying just a short time ago.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 13:02||   2013-11-24 13:02|| Front Page Top

#25 Have the American "foreign ministers" forgotten this "little piece of American history" ?

They're still the same people they were back in the mid-70's when they helped sell about 25 million people in SE Asia into communist servitude and/or time in work-to-death camps.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-11-24 13:09||   2013-11-24 13:09|| Front Page Top

#26 I suspect Israel now will take matters into their own hands, Nation Survival Mode. I also would not be surprised to see military action before the end of the year.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2013-11-24 13:16||   2013-11-24 13:16|| Front Page Top

#27  Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) may be close

a shot anywhere of her waving the papers

but maybe no cigar.












Posted by Au Auric  2013-11-24 13:18||   2013-11-24 13:18|| Front Page Top

#28 This one serves up the political debacle well.

Posted by Au Auric  2013-11-24 13:25||   2013-11-24 13:25|| Front Page Top

#29 And as usually with Champ's shit it happens on a weekend as a fiat!
Posted by 3dc 2013-11-24 13:31||   2013-11-24 13:31|| Front Page Top

#30 Is this a treaty that has to be ratified by the Senate? Or is this something that Champ can do by fiat?

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-11-24 13:36||   2013-11-24 13:36|| Front Page Top

#31 Another triumph from the can kickers. At 3 AM on the last possible day, of course. One more crisis averted, on to the next!

Sure are a lot chickens sitting around here. Way more than usual....
Posted by KBK 2013-11-24 13:38||   2013-11-24 13:38|| Front Page Top

#32 Is this a treaty that has to be ratified by the Senate? Or is this something that Champ can do by fiat?

I think we're about to find out why certain Senate rule-changes were called "The Nuclear Option."
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-11-24 13:44||   2013-11-24 13:44|| Front Page Top

#33 Sure are a lot chickens birds sitting around here. Way more than usual....

Posted by Jiggs Fillmore1444 2013-11-24 13:45||   2013-11-24 13:45|| Front Page Top

#34 Obama has utterly let the United States down. He should order the flag to be lowered to half mast.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/rouhani-on-iranian-tv-in-may-detailed-how-he-broke-nuclear-pledge/

"In a video clip now gaining fresh attention as the international community seeks to assess his credibility, Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani bragged on Iranian state television just four months ago that he and the regime utterly flouted a 2003 agreement with the IAEA in which it promised to suspend all uranium enrichment and certain other nuclear activities.

Rouhani, who was being interviewed by Iran’s state IRIB TV (Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting) on May 27, less than three weeks before he won the June 14 presidential elections, was provoked by the interviewer’s assertion that, as Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator in 2003-5, “everything was suspended” on the nuclear program under his watch.

Smiling but evidently highly irritated by the suggestion, Rouhani called it “a lie” that only “the illiterate” would believe, and said that “whoever is talking to you in your earpiece” was feeding false information. He proceeded to detail how Iran, in fact, had flagrantly breached the October 2003 “Tehran Declaration,” which he said “was supposed to outline how everything should be suspended.”

Although Iran issued a joint statement with visiting EU ministers in October 2003 setting out its pledged obligations under the Tehran Declaration, in practice, Rouhani said in the interview, “We did not let that happen!”"
Posted by Squinty 2013-11-24 13:48||   2013-11-24 13:48|| Front Page Top

#35 One difference between old Neville Chamberlain and Mr. O in negotiations, is that Neville was at least making an effort to rearm (example aircraft production - British production doubled from 1,440 aircraft in 1935 to 2,830 in 1938, and then increased another five-fold to over 15,000 in 1940 - the result of the re-armament measures put in place from 1935 on) whereas the 'smartest man in the world' is gutting cutting the military.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-24 14:08||   2013-11-24 14:08|| Front Page Top

#36 I'm surprised Chump hasn't helped them miniaturize. Guess there's still 3 yrs
Posted by Frank G 2013-11-24 14:39||   2013-11-24 14:39|| Front Page Top

#37 Once again the World waits with bated breath: can the detested Jew once again pull a hat out of a rabbit?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-24 14:48||   2013-11-24 14:48|| Front Page Top

#38 Snowy: approval of a treaty requires consent of the Senate, per Article II, section 2 of the Constitution:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; …
Posted by Steve White 2013-11-24 17:17||   2013-11-24 17:17|| Front Page Top

#39 The United States has enough nuclear weapons to destroy all life on earth 19 times over. Russia has enough nuclear weapons to destroy all life on earth 27 times over. Pakistan, India, China, North Korea, and it is rumored that Israel also have nuclear weapons equivalent to many megatons of TNT.

All the above countries have one thing in common. Their peoples would rather live than die.

Iranian Mullahs and their Islamic followers would rather die than live and they especially love taking out as many infidels as possible on their way to hell.

Mankind's only real hope now is Israel.
Posted by Guillibaldo McCoy1948 2013-11-24 17:39||   2013-11-24 17:39|| Front Page Top

#40 So the success is the agreement, not the content. Sounds par. So if the Senate is allowed to vote on this and turns it down, Obama has managed to not only piss of Israel KSA et al but show himself with even less power.

Did Kerry even ask for our drone back? Look at the bright side, with Kerry involved there is still a good chance this will get screwed up. Not good enough more me to not open the good stuff and see if Denver can win before the Mid East explodes. But a chance.

Finalized at 3am in Geneva. Why not primetime if so proud of this? Waiting for halftime to finsh? Are the additional sanctions threatened by Congress the very sanction just promised away a la tricky lawyer talk?
Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-24 17:52||   2013-11-24 17:52|| Front Page Top

#41 Obama is gutting every program to fund what he knows will be a gigantic expenditure if and when ObumbleCare is actually in operation. The cost of that program alone will be more than George W's last Federal Budget.

I read "To Lose a Battle, France 1940" by Alistair Horne. There are a number of uncomfortable, well neigh, frightening parallels between the politics and personalities of the French Government between 1936 and 1940 and our current political climate.

As for a threat to Israel, only a complete madman would nuke Israel as the fallout would decimate most of Jordan, Northern Iraq, and Southwestern Iran. I am convinced the end game for Iran is to load the sucker in an ISO container and ship it to Long Beach. A nuke does not have to be inside the radiation detection zone of LA harbor for the detonation of a nuclear device to destroy most of Los Angeles county and northern Orange County. And with the winter time weather patterns a nuke in Long Beach would require evacuation of most of Arizona, New Mexico and North Texas.

The end game is not Israel, it is us...the evil Shaitan, even the nuts in power in Iran do not want to kill millions of fellow Muslims to destroy Israel with a nuke.
Posted by Bill Clinton 2013-11-24 17:56||   2013-11-24 17:56|| Front Page Top

#42 #37 Once again the World waits with bated breath: can the detested Jew once again pull a hat out of a rabbit?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru


g(r)omguru, the mystical Mesmer,
Mumbled Yiddish as Bunny blew klezmer:
The music went silent
And every eye widened,
As he drew Flopsy out of his fezmer!

"Aww, that trick never works."

In back of the band, a menorah
Shone as g(r)omguru read from the Torah.
Coney Island was still...
Hair on end, such a thrill:
His angora coughed up a fedora!

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2013-11-24 17:57||   2013-11-24 17:57|| Front Page Top

#43 Finally, a song about me!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-24 18:01||   2013-11-24 18:01|| Front Page Top

#44 ..would require evacuation of most of Arizona, New Mexico and North Texas.

We already nuked New Mexico in 1945. Didn't require much in evacuation. Those of us who lived down wind of the open air nuke testing in the 50s and early 60s seemed to have survived well enough. It's a nuke, not even an good size asteroid. Get a grip on the level of destruction.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-24 18:25||   2013-11-24 18:25|| Front Page Top

#45 #43 Finally, a song about me!

You can pay me later for leaving out your hooked nose. ;-)
Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2013-11-24 19:07||   2013-11-24 19:07|| Front Page Top

#46 Klein has an interesting article: Here.

A way for Israel to overcome strategic strike delivery limitations. Real containment.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-11-24 19:11||   2013-11-24 19:11|| Front Page Top

#47 As a dialectic Politician, OBAMA THE PCORRECT "PRO-US", "NATIONALIST" > Rising Shia Iran is now our new BFF agz Al-Qaeda, etc. in Syria + ME, the US-Allies are giving it six months to see how it will behave agz the Qaeda Boyz.

OTOH, OBAMA THE ANTI-US MARXIST GLOBALIST > Rising Shia Iran needs Nukes because it is SSSSHHHHH .... CCCCCCC our future OWG Global "Co-Superpower" in the Muslim ME. ALONG THE SAME SCOPE, GLOBALIST AMERIKA + OUR 1990'S CLINTONIAN SACRED NATIONAL COMMUNISM-SOCIALISM, I.E. "AMERICA-N-ONLY-AMERIKA NEEDS TO BE RESTRAINED + CONTROLLED", NEEDS TO PREPARE TO LOSE 1/2 OF THE PACIFIC TO OUR OTHER OWG GLOBAL CO-SUPERPOWER RISING CHINA.

To include possibly the loss of Hawaii to China, or in altern the DE-MILITARIZATION OF HAWAII.

GOOD POLITICIANS/PCORRECTNESS = THE ABOVE WILL BE ACOMPLISHED WID THE [seeming] APPROVAL OF THE AMERIKAN PEOPLE.

* "STAR WARS" PREQUELS > QUEEN PADME AMYGDALA = "SO THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY/FREEDOM ENDS - WID APPLAUSE[ + Celebration]".

EYES WIDE OPEN, NOT EYES WIDE SHUT.

Pray to God that neither the soon-to-be-Nukulaar Hard Boyz andor "post-US", "Mahanist" China sees Amerika's actions in the name of OWG Globalism as de facto "strategic weakness" on the part of the US inspiring third-party MilPol take-over from the US.

MAHA-RUSHIAN HISTOIRE' + "THE GREAT GAME" AKA SUSTITUTION OF WEALTH + NATIONS BY ONE WID ANOTHER(S) SAYS IT IS MORE LIKELY THAT SUCH COVERT INTENTIONAL OR DELIBERATE US GLOBALIST UNILATERAL ACTIONS WIL BE INTERPRETED AS WEAKNESS - MORESO GIVEN THE PENCHANT OF US POL LEADERS THUS FAR TO REFRAIN FROM EXPLAINING ANYTHING TO THE AMERICAN = AMERIKAN MAINSTREAM = VOTERS + CONSTITUENTS.

* FYI FREEREPUBLIC > [Various = Yahoo News] US CRITICIZES NEW CHINA [Air Defense] ZONE, VOWS TO DEFEND JAPAN.

Ah yes - "Red lines".

Beijing would once again like to remind the friendly Amerikan Media-TV audience at this time that they have Nukes + US-hitting LRBMS aka ICBMS, IRBMS, etc. that Libya + Egypt + Assad + now Iran do NOT have [yet?], + that whole "200.0Milyuhn-man Army of the Apocalypse" thingy.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-24 19:17||   2013-11-24 19:17|| Front Page Top

#48 P2K has it. The mullahs are working on a fission bomb, not a hydrogen bomb.

Nonetheless, setting off an atomic bomb near LA will cause quite a bit of destruction. And quite a bit more excitement. Worldwide.

I can't see how the calculus works out for Iran, but then they are demented.
Posted by KBK 2013-11-24 19:21||   2013-11-24 19:21|| Front Page Top

#49 fwiw,

The agreement between the 6 parties and Iran does not require US Senate approval. This is because legislation permitted the President to execute trade sanctions and the President did execute such sanctions. S 65 in the 113th and H 568 in the 112th give the Pres direction and authority but don't constrain.
Posted by lord garth 2013-11-24 19:35||   2013-11-24 19:35|| Front Page Top

#50 The Nukes that hit Hiroshima and the early tests in New Mexico were small compared to the nukes today which are a 1000 times larger.
Posted by Guillibaldo McCoy1948 2013-11-24 19:45||   2013-11-24 19:45|| Front Page Top

#51 ..which requires tritium for the boost. Something even the Norks et al are not near.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-24 20:02||   2013-11-24 20:02|| Front Page Top

#52 Well, let's put it this way about destruction, none of the nukes in New Mexico were high yield. A nuke from the Iranians could be as high as a megaton, about 1000 times greater than anything tested in New Mexico or Nevada. The destruction would be an arch of about 50 miles in radius.

And besides, you need to reread my post, I was talking about the FALLOUT plume from a dirty bomb being propelled by winter time winds and the Jetstream across the southwest.

I know whence I am talking, perchance you have your prefix five also and can refute the extent of the fallout?
Posted by Bill Clinton 2013-11-24 20:04||   2013-11-24 20:04|| Front Page Top

#53 You might just research yields.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-24 20:37||   2013-11-24 20:37|| Front Page Top

#54 I have my handy dandy Nuclear Bomb Effects circular slide rule calculator; unfortunately they don't make them any more, but try this ON LINE CALCULATOR for effects of nuclear weapons on your favorite target.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2013-11-24 23:11||   2013-11-24 23:11|| Front Page Top

23:46 JosephMendiola
23:11 Alaska Paul
22:58 rjschwarz
21:28 Thing From Snowy Mountain
20:37 Procopius2k
20:34 Thing From Snowy Mountain
20:29 JosephMendiola
20:23 Thing From Snowy Mountain
20:14 JosephMendiola
20:08 Bill Clinton
20:07 Pappy
20:04 Bill Clinton
20:03 Besoeker
20:02 Procopius2k
19:53 JosephMendiola
19:45 Guillibaldo McCoy1948
19:35 lord garth
19:21 KBK
19:20 Shipman
19:20 Zenobia Floger6220
19:17 JosephMendiola
19:11 JohnQC
19:07 Zenobia Floger6220
19:05 JohnQC

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