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2013-11-24 China-Japan-Koreas
China’s new air defense zone above Senkakus “very dangerous” escalation, Japan says
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Posted by newc 2013-11-24 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [504 views ]  Top

#1 This is how wars begin. Anyone in Washington watching ?
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 03:13||   2013-11-24 03:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Anyone in Washington watching?

Nope. They're celebrating Peace in our Time.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-24 04:13||   2013-11-24 04:13|| Front Page Top

#3 "The United States administered (the Senkakus) as part of the United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands from 1945 until 1972, when the islands reverted to Japanese control under the Okinawa Reversion Agreement between the United States and Japan."

This is also a not-too-indirect challenge to the United States.

Unfortunately there's no good reason for a rational adversary not to challenge the US, given the developments since 2001.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2013-11-24 08:31||   2013-11-24 08:31|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm thinking China wouldn't dare do this if we had a strong president with his eye on the ball, a president who hadn't weakened the US both financially and morally. What does Obama do about it? He sends Carolyn Kennedy to be Ambassador to Japan. Sickening.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2013-11-24 10:44||   2013-11-24 10:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Aircraft Identification Rules for the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone of PRC
Posted by newc 2013-11-24 15:42||   2013-11-24 15:42|| Front Page Top

#6 His-own "Red Line"-busting, OBAMA-IS-A-HELLUVA-LOUSY-PRO-US-NATIONALIST-BUT-ONE-HELLUVA-OUTSTANDING-ANTI-US-GLOBALIST = BE PREPARED OR READY TO SEE THE US [Sssshhh ... CCCCC covertly intentionally] GIVE UP EAST ASIA + 1/2 OF THE PACIFIC TO [fellow OWG "Co-Superpower"] CHINA.

The Bad Econ, Sequester, Shutdown + post-Shutdown [Debt Ceiling] US can no longer econ afford to intervene or wage war - OWG AMERIKA = 1945 POST-ATOMIC BOMBINGS JAPAN + EMPEROR HIROHITO = THE NATION HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO "ACCEPT THE UNACCEPTABLE, BEAR THE UNBEARABLE, TOLERATE THE INTOLERABLE ...".

Becuz, ya know, 1945 JAPAN = 1940 VICHY FRANCE = PROUDLY SURRENDERING SINCE ... ...

To avoid war = SAVE WHATS LEFT OF TRADITIONAL PRE-OWG NATIONALISM + SOVEREIGNTY, Caroline Kennedy must work to come up wid a diplomatic solution/compromise that is mutually acceptable + permanent, not just one that only TEMPORARILY DELAYS MIL CONFLICT in the name of 2014 or espec the 2016 POTUS Elex.

Again, "post-US", "Mahanist" = OWG "Co-Superpower" CHINA wants "strategic access" into far Pacific = overseas "sole" Milbases for the PLA. China wants or desires ...
> Immediate or very-near-term sovereign reunification wid TAIWAN, AKA CHINA'S EQUIVALENT OF PEARL HARBOR/HAWAII [USPACOM].
> Desires the Senkakus/Diaoyus to protect its future TAIWAN Mil Hub. Think Midway, Wake Island, Palmyra, French Frigate Shoals in EASTPAC as per Pearl Harbor
> Safe to say China will likely also demand the demilitarization of US-JSDF on Okinawa + Yonaguni, + possibly US forces in Guam or both Guam + Hawaii.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-24 19:53||   2013-11-24 19:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks Joe. Your insights always amaze me.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-24 20:03||   2013-11-24 20:03|| Front Page Top

#8 Lest we fergit, MSM-NET = China wants both Guam + Hawaii, iff it can take or get 'em; + 1/2 of CONUS-NORAM for "living space". It would like the US to fall back or be contained to Hawaii + EASTPAC, US West Coast come 2020.

IOW, subjectively speaking China taking over 1/2 of the Pacific, e.g. GUAM-WESTPAC, is poten ONLY THE BEGINNING OF A BIGGER OR LARGER STRATEGIC "LONG MARCH".

"GREAT GAME" > Ally, Enemy, or Non-Aligned, iff the US = any "great power" can't or won't defend its interests + territories, etc. some other Nation-State(s) will rise + voluntarily or forcibly take it for their own.

Don't get me wrong - I like many many things about the Chinese people, their history + culture, etc. + Other in Asia, BUT SUCH WILL NOT DETER OR PREVENT THE SO-CALLED "GREAT GAME" FROM OCCURRING REGARDLESS OF THE MERITS.

Lest we fergit II, + as ilustrated by the new interim deal between the P5+1 + Iran, THE US-VS-CHINA ONLY COMPETITION IN ASIA-PACIFIC [World?] HAS NOW DEVOL INTO THE US-VS-CHINA-VS-NUCLEAR-ISLAM.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-24 20:14||   2013-11-24 20:14|| Front Page Top

#9 I'd still put my money on the Japanese Defense Force, at least if it stays conventional.

Having said that i wouldn't put it past the US to bargain away our troops in Korean and japan in order to secure the peace.
Posted by rjschwarz 2013-11-24 22:58||   2013-11-24 22:58|| Front Page Top

#10 More RELATED ...

* CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > [SMH] CHINA THREATENS MILITARY ACTION OVER DISPUTED EAST CHINA SEA ISLANDS.

* WAFF > [NYT] PLA AIR FORCE [PLAAF] CONDUCTS FIRST PATROL IN AIR DEFENSE IDENTIFICATION ZONE NEAR JAPAN.

* SAME > JAPAN REJECTS CHINA'S CLAIM TO AIR RIGHTS OVER DISPUTED ISLAND.

versus

* CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > [WSWS.org] AMERICAN THINK-TANK ENVISAGES [US-Allies] BLOCKADING CHINA WID MISSLES, i.e. Land-based LR ASBMS/ASMS in forward-deployed East Asian staging areas stretching in arc from Japan + ROK to the PHIL + Malaysia-Indonesia.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-24 23:46||   2013-11-24 23:46|| Front Page Top

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