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2015-05-22 Iraq

US gives anti-tanks guns to stop ISIS car bombs

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Posted by Fred 2015-05-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top
File under: Govt of Iraq

#1 I thought it was 2000 ATGMS???

* FREEREPUBLIC > [New American] FLEEING IRAQI TROOPS LEAVE [abandon] US WEAPONS FOR ISIS - AGAIN.

* RELATED GUAM PDN > IRAQI TROOPS ABANDON US-SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT IN RAMADI [flight = retreat].

Once more, wid feeling - AGAIN!

Iff 3000 US Troops-Advisors did NOT accompany Iraqi ground units during the Ramadi battle as the MSM-Net claims, thus of course the Bammer's = Washington's answer is to send MORE-N-NEW US TROOPS-ADVISORS WHOM ONCE AGAIN WILL ALSO NOT ACCOMPANY IRAQI TROOPS???

just askin.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2015-05-22 00:24|| 2015-05-22 00:24|| Front Page Top

#2 Like trying to kill a Bull with a

Posted by Ulusoque Ulairt2917 2015-05-22 00:49|| 2015-05-22 00:49|| Front Page Top

#3 the anti-tank guns will arrive in June

And be in ISIS hands before August?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-05-22 02:10|| 2015-05-22 02:10|| Front Page Top

#4 They're as good as delivered.

Posted by Pappy 2015-05-22 07:59|| 2015-05-22 07:59|| Front Page Top

#5 Why not MaDeuce? That would take care of armor up to the current equivalent of the old M113. Plus a lot of other things. Are these suicide vehicles so heavily armored? I'd always thought the problem was telling the difference between the suicide vehicle and all the others..

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2015-05-22 08:00|| 2015-05-22 08:00|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm sure somewhere in some depot somewhere is a bunch of those good old 90 mm recoilless rifles.

They could do the trick and it would be old technology instead of the good stuff that will wind up being shot back at us.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2015-05-22 09:26|| 2015-05-22 09:26|| Front Page Top

#7 Whatever happened to fortifying your positions---caltrops & concertina are too low tech for them?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-05-22 09:36|| 2015-05-22 09:36|| Front Page Top

#8 They look like LAWS rockets. I'm sure ISIS will be grateful for them.

Posted by tu3031 2015-05-22 12:27|| 2015-05-22 12:27|| Front Page Top

#9 A serious problem is that we hand all the stuff over to the Shia Government in Bagdad (Iran's buddies) and they decide what if anything the Kurds or independent Sunni Militias get.

Posted by Ebbatle Slinesing1040 2015-05-22 13:43|| 2015-05-22 13:43|| Front Page Top

#10 How about spike strips? Lay them across the road at the same distance you'd shoot an RPG and the problem is solved at a fraction of the cost and with minimal problems if the fall into the hands of the undead minions of ISIS.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-05-22 14:44|| 2015-05-22 14:44|| Front Page Top

#11

That thing is armored up, looks like it gets hit by something at 0:28. Site said it took a milan.

I had a long post, but browser ate my lunch and I have to go. Long to short, if I don't see that until it is a block away, it may already be too late; eyes and ears take a beating for sure.

Spike strips around the city would hamper day to day civilian activities. Also, the ISJV is getting very experienced at making these things, could be they have puncture resistant tires figured out. I saw an ad on TV the other night for tires which don't go flat for x miles.

Scout out strong points in the city, send infantry to make sure the area is approachable, and roll one of those things in like a sapper to a castle wall, follow through the gap with blitzkrieg.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-05-22 17:27|| 2015-05-22 17:27|| Front Page Top

#12 I'd guess the best defense against these things would be to spot and destroy them with air assets.

Also, find the factories, bomb the ef out of it to get the experienced workers.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-05-22 17:29|| 2015-05-22 17:29|| Front Page Top

#13 Take a Milan. According to google, that means more than 1000mm of rolled homo armor, or reactive armor.
Let's say google is off by a factor of ten and it's 100mm of armor. That's four inches. Talking about four-inch plates on a truck...?

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2015-05-22 19:15|| 2015-05-22 19:15|| Front Page Top

#14 Not sure if the video VBIED is indicative of what was used in Ramadi, but I have seen other video of armored VBIEDs.

I think I saw a number of munitions strike the vehicle, but if you believe the caption it was a Milan which made the kill shot. Sorry for the poorly written sentence, herding kids at the time. The way that truck was attempting to move off road, it looks very heavy to me.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-05-22 21:26|| 2015-05-22 21:26|| Front Page Top

#15 Okay. The Milan made the kill. I'd understood it to mean the VBIED had survived a Milan hit.
Thing about the old 90mm and 106mm RRs is that you can use them against other types of targets. Ditto MaDeuce.
The 106 was supposed to have an effective range of 1500 meters. That was about where the spotting round burned out. It would be hard to figure jerry-rigging a truck with armor to withstand even the 90mm, much less the 106.
AT4 is pretty cool, and all, but a RR has other uses.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2015-05-22 22:30|| 2015-05-22 22:30|| Front Page Top

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