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2016-06-09 Terror Networks

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Posted by Pappy 2016-06-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 A good enough read and makes some excellent observations. Yet, also makes the same painful mistake we see time and again with not laying full blame on the intentions of the Obama regime. They did not "choose to forget". They planned. They implemented.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2016-06-09 00:31|| 2016-06-09 00:31|| Front Page Top

#2 In theory, SOF from the United States and allied countries are supposed to enable locals to defeat ISIS, with assistance from Western airpower. However, that approach has never worked as advertised, despite the frequent killings of senior Islamic State officials by our airplanes and drones.

Yes, yes, yes! A fact, a recipe for failure that many posters have been harping on in this blog for fok'n years !

Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-09 08:27|| 2016-06-09 08:27|| Front Page Top

#3 How to defeat Islamic State? You won't get ANYWHERE without addressing the cultural failure within your intelligence community.

Ever since 9/11 they have been shoving the message "don't offend muslims, don't let the terrorists turn it into a war against all Muslims" so our polity and media have shut down all honest reporting of the issue to the point where terrorist attacks are reported with no mention of Islamist theocratic fascism as the motivating ideology.

You are losing and this is the reason why.

If you want to defeat IS you need to do this:

1) Recognise who your real enemy is. It's NOT Islamic State. Your enemy is Islamist theocratic fascism. It's an ideology not a criminal group.

2) Declare war on the "Caliphate". The geographical territory declared a Caliphate is your great gift - so use it. Recognise it as a state, and declare war on it - but do NOT actually fight it.

Declaring war triggers Treason legislation so you can go after those in the Five Eyes nations who push sharia.

Pushing sharia is treason. People who push sharia are Islamist theocrats.

3) Deport or lock up Islamist theocrats.

4) Give shelter to demonstrated Secular Muslims, gay Muslims, feminist Muslims who flee Islamist theocrats.

5) Ban Muslim immigration including anyone from OIC countries and known Muslims from non-OIC countries temporarily until IS are defeated.

6) Cut Saudi funding to any mosques, educational institutions, think tanks, or any other cultural institution in the Five Eyes alliance. Send their ambassadors back home to Riyadh. Cut all ties and trade. Get all your oil from Venezuela. BOYCOTT Saudi.

7) Shut down all mosques started or funded by Saudi Arabia in the Five Eyes. Saudi Arabia funded the spread of theocratic Islamist fascism.

8) Secure your own borders and root out the problem within.

9) Ignore the Caliphate. Let China and Russia deal with it.

10) all Migrants to Europe should be immediately iris scanned, fingerprinted and put into work camps for a period of 2 years. Any that don't want this arrangement are free to be deported back to Turkey. They will be trained for 1 year by the IDF: women and men. They will wear overalls. No hijabs. No religion. No korans. No praying. They will live on barracks and learn comparative religion, enlightenment principles and how to vote civilly along with a common language (suggest English) and how to rebuild infrastructure: roads, sewers, bridges, making a rubbish collection system.

They will live on barracks. Any committing violence or caught spreading religion or not obeying the rules get instant deportation to Turkey, never to return.

For the 2nd year of service they will be sent to Syria, even if they are from Africa, and they will rebuild areas that china/russia clear of Islamists.

The area cleared and rebuilt will be run by the Kurds as an occupying force. They will supervise elections.

Public religious worship will be banned from the occupied area for the next 50 years. No religion in schools other than comparative religion. No mosques.

But the really most important thing about defeating the Caliphate is to defeat its Muslim Brotherhood ideology At home IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY

Posted by anon1 2016-06-09 09:59|| 2016-06-09 09:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Operation Inherent Resolve should be renamed Operation Deliberate Indifference. A couple of rants:

- DoD lacks the ability to sustain a serious effort to defeat these folks...very few leaders stay on the task for more than 1 to 2 years before they move on with their careers. In the DoD careers come first! DoD careerists will ignore the bad news, pass the buck and move up...

- while the threat exploits our vulnerable supply lines, and our inability to identify and counter their funding streams... Its like feeling good about pulling the heads off dandelions...makes a good initial appearance tactically, but until we kill the strategic roots and the threat sustainment, the tactical leaders and soldiers will continue to replace themselves.

Hit them hard tactically while burning down the financiers' houses. Put fear into the perfumed princes that wittingly fund these folks.

Posted by Tennessee 2016-06-09 11:04|| 2016-06-09 11:04|| Front Page Top

#5 There will be no defeat unless and until the education industry, NPR's audience, and the Democratic party start believing that Islamic fundamentalism is an existential threat and ordinary Christians who go to church on Sunday are not.

Posted by no mo uro 2016-06-09 11:13|| 2016-06-09 11:13|| Front Page Top

#6 Nice missive Anon but it can never happen.
The rules of permissive behavior are against it.
Next would be Amish, Mormons, Baptists, TV evangelists of all types and other 'culty' fantasy clans.

Posted by Skidmark 2016-06-09 11:30|| 2016-06-09 11:30|| Front Page Top

#7 By understanding that Islam is an ideology of World conquest, like Nazism or Communism, only more dangerous?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-06-09 11:35|| 2016-06-09 11:35|| Front Page Top

#8 Lot of good points Anon1. Trumpt suggested curbing the influx of Muslims into this country for awhile until it could be determined who we are getting in the mix. Everyone in both parties and the press screamed bloody murder and yet he had a good point and a reasonable approach in an attempt to solving a problem an extant problem.

Posted by JohnQC 2016-06-09 15:17|| 2016-06-09 15:17|| Front Page Top

#9 anon1 comments sound a lot like the disengagement I've been known to advocate. I think the war against radical Islam should be fought in Europe and America because the Middle East is a lost cause and it's not our problem anyway. I think it should be very simple: We don't go there and they don't come here. If they try to come here we shoot them. Those who are already here get deported. Check back in a thousand years and see if they've become a bit more reasonable.

Sorry if that sounds isolationist but it seems pretty clear that our interventions in the Middle East have all gone badly both for the locals and us. Our policy should be to let them figure it out for themselves.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-06-09 16:21|| 2016-06-09 16:21|| Front Page Top

#10 Yes Grom - it needs to be recognised that we are up against a political ideology like communism and marxism.

Your enemy is NOT islamic state

If you defeat islamic state militarily you will just get another one. Just like al-Qaeda.

There are hundreds all spawned off the same root.

For 15 years the military have been fighting the symptoms and it is useless to do so without getting rid of the cause. All you do is waste money and lives.

Theocratic political Islamism = politics.

Secular Muslims = religious people who pray

SO - declaring war on the Caliphate (the entire concept of the Caliphate) so as to use treason laws against the pushers of sharia -- this would not violate religious freedom to an unconscionable degree because it is not a religion it is a political ideology.

Demanding sharia to replace secular laws passed by parliament is treason

It is no different to demanding German laws should rule over German migrants to Poland eg.

It is an invasion. It is loss of sovereignty over part of your population

It is treason pure and simple

SO start acting on it

This is what has been needed since 2001 but the intelligence community had a big brain fart.

They thought that to separate the secular Muslims (religion) from the Islamist theocratic fascists (politics) would mean we would turn 1.2 billion global muslims against us

This is wrong

Secular Muslims are in a struggle with theocratic fascists everywhere, across sects.

By extending help and refuge to the true reformers, to the Raif Badawis and the victims of theocracy you will demonstrate to them this is not true.

Our intelligence services have given the wrong intel to successive Five Eyes administrations and look at the results. FAILURE

It's time to try honestly naming the enemy and tackling it head on.

That means cutting off Saudi Arabia and tackling the cultural persuasion of the Muslim Brotherhood

Saudi Arabia was a cold war ally but it was not really an ally at all. It created this problem and guess what? The cold war is over.

That is why Trump is the best possible candidate. He gets this.

Posted by anon1 2016-06-09 23:19|| 2016-06-09 23:19|| Front Page Top

#11 ps: agreed anonymous poster on disengagement with the ME.

You are bang on target

it's not our problem. They don't come here, and we don't go there

We don't accept migrants from there, and they can sit in their dust bowl and shoot at each other

don't give them technology just seal them off for a few centuries until they emerge from barbarism.

Posted by anon1 2016-06-09 23:21|| 2016-06-09 23:21|| Front Page Top

#12 ps - yes John QC I totally agree.

This is why I am so excited about Trump potentially winning the presidency

for the first time ever somebody who gets it might get in

(if he can avoid assassination both PR and physical)

In the Cold War did we allow mass communist migration? NO - the occassional defector.

But they had to "defect" and renounce.

Posted by anon1 2016-06-09 23:24|| 2016-06-09 23:24|| Front Page Top

#13 Hello Skidmark

the difference between political Islamists and the amish etc, is that political Islamists seek to impose their supremacist system over everyone despite borders.

The amish just want to be left alone and cause no problem.

So in principle the two are different. One is a lifestyle based on a religion.

The other is a political system that seeks domination.

SO one is protected by "freedom of religion"

the other is a treasonous political movement that seeks to destroy and supplant the entire system we cherish.

Posted by anon1 2016-06-09 23:26|| 2016-06-09 23:26|| Front Page Top

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