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2017-03-27 Home Front: Politix

Paul Ryan's Catastrophic Lack of Political Skill and Judgment

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Posted by Besoeker 2017-03-27 09:06|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 In this day and age, everyone gets a trophy regardless of his ability or hard work. Ryan got his "show-up or participation" trophy.

Posted by JohnQC 2017-03-27 09:47|| 2017-03-27 09:47|| Front Page Top

#2 After he's 'retired' he'll have more time for his P90X workouts.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-03-27 10:37|| 2017-03-27 10:37|| Front Page Top

#3 Ryan’s political tin ear has at least temporarily torpedoed of the effort to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Maybe the notion to 'replace' Obamacare is the real problem?

Posted by Raj 2017-03-27 11:44|| 2017-03-27 11:44|| Front Page Top

#4 I keep coming back to Trump's lack of experience working with a legislature. I'm not faulting him here - that was actually one of his 'qualifications' to be president. But I think it's at the core of what happened last week.

Ryan came up with a bill to fix ObamaCare. He told the president that this was step 1 of 3 steps to complete repeal. Trump bought this and had his team get behind Ryan.

Now, everyone but Trump and his team knew that there was never going to be a step 2 or step 3. At the end of the day, that's why so many GOP Reps opposed RyanCare. And Trump just learned a lesson about Congress - they LIE.

Posted by Iblis 2017-03-27 12:36|| 2017-03-27 12:36|| Front Page Top

#5 Sorry Iblis but I must disagree. Ryan and the GOPe were the ones who knew there would be no step 2 or 3.

Ryan has created an ugly rift within his party, delayed and endangered the forward movement of the Trump administration

I'd bet that this was the exact goal of Ryan's maneuvering. I think that Trump may have out foxed him by "going along".

One of the things I learned in all my years of consulting is that sometimes you have to let the client fail before you can move forward. I think this is Ryan's failure and the GOPe can't get any credit. Remember they are all part of the Inner Party adversaries that Trump must contend with.

Posted by AlanC 2017-03-27 12:49|| 2017-03-27 12:49|| Front Page Top

#6 As astute assessment at #5.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-03-27 13:16|| 2017-03-27 13:16|| Front Page Top

#7 Agreed, AlanC. Trump is way ahead of all these establishment republicans. They are the same ones that have sabotaged Trump during the election and as president. Now the establishment repubs have blown their chance and failed in ryancare, and the dems own obamacare, their systems will crater. Trump knew this and decided to let them fail. Then when everything craters Trump will step in and set up a deal between dems and repubs.

The problem is that the whole way going about healthcare sucks. The congress does not know how the system works. Ryancare is the same as obamacare. A bunch of politicians setting up rules. Have you read anything? Are there hearings? Has anybody studied healthcare and see how healthcare works so we know what to fix?
This is all a fools game.

Here is a LINK to the beginnings of analysis.

Did anybody watch SotH Ryan during Hannity's interview a while before the vote debacle? Listen to all Ryans promises, and watch his body language. Calling someone a weasel is not being respectful to weasels.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2017-03-27 13:35|| 2017-03-27 13:35|| Front Page Top

#8 absolutely Raj

Posted by 746 2017-03-27 13:35|| 2017-03-27 13:35|| Front Page Top

#9 "Ryan and the GOPe were the ones who knew there would be no step 2 or 3."

I'm pretty sure that's what I said.

Posted by Iblis 2017-03-27 14:34|| 2017-03-27 14:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Sorry Iblis if I misunderstood you but this:Trump and his team knew that there was never going to be a step 2 or step 3. made me think that you are putting Trump in league with Ryan and I don't think that's the case.

My problem is getting around my cynicism about who is doing what to whom in DC.....everybody and everything are the answers I come up with.

Posted by AlanC 2017-03-27 15:31|| 2017-03-27 15:31|| Front Page Top

#11 My problem is getting around my cynicism about who is doing what to whom in DC.....everybody and everything are the answers I come up with.
Posted by: AlanC

Nothing problematic or abstract here. Intuitive cognition and logical observation driven reasoning should be viewed as a gift.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-03-27 15:40|| 2017-03-27 15:40|| Front Page Top

#12 This is a battle of agendas.

Some bodies agenda just got defeated. In every defeat there is a Victor.

The Victor needs to pound his chest and build on the victory to furthur advance their agenda. And quickly! And don't be slow about it.

Posted by Nero White 3083 2017-03-27 16:57|| 2017-03-27 16:57|| Front Page Top

#13 AlanC, I think you are right, after all it is known as RyanCare and not TrumpCare these days.

And as Scott Adams pointed out this blunder may turn Trump=Nazi to Trump=incompetent which will make it easier to get Democrats on board when necessary.

Posted by rjschwarz 2017-03-27 17:55|| 2017-03-27 17:55|| Front Page Top

#14 AlanC:

"Now, everyone but Trump and his team knew that there was never going to be a step 2 or step 3."

Emphasis added.

Posted by Iblis 2017-03-27 18:49|| 2017-03-27 18:49|| Front Page Top

#15 Ah come on Iblis, you expect me to read and understand every word?

I can't seem to get rid of my 8 years of Obama blinders....sorry.

Posted by AlanC 2017-03-27 19:05|| 2017-03-27 19:05|| Front Page Top

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