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2018-10-05 Home Front: Culture Wars

The End of the Jewish World as We Know It

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Posted by Besoeker 2018-10-05 00:10|| || Front Page|| [8 views ] Top

#1 That's bull. There were always Jews who worshiped at the feet of foreign gods.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-10-05 03:29|| 2018-10-05 03:29|| Front Page Top

#2 yes there have always been Jews who went to the other side

the article should have made a quantitative point, i.e., that rather than the idiomatic anti Israel quack or the cultic anti Israel groups (e.g. Neturai Karta) you have what is essentially a mass movement

Posted by lord garth 2018-10-05 09:12|| 2018-10-05 09:12|| Front Page Top

#3 Well, there was that one fellow. Soros I believe his name was.

Posted by Besoeker 2018-10-05 09:37|| 2018-10-05 09:37|| Front Page Top

#4 Ah, the Old Testament is full of examples.

Posted by Woodrow 2018-10-05 13:26|| 2018-10-05 13:26|| Front Page Top

#5 has the Jewish world undergone such a widespread and fundamental rethinking of what it means to be Jewish.

In every generation there arises the anguished cry that we are divided and disappearing. Nowadays those same anti-Zionist, Progressive Jews are the ones who are reproducing at well below replacement rates, just like non-Jewish Progressives, while Zionists like Ivanka Trump are well above replacement.

It seems to me that the last big adjustment to intra-Jewish connections within the larger world occurred with the conquest of Byzantium, floowed by the closing of east-west trade routes and the Crusades, the previous biggies being the disdain for the Jewish revolts against Rome by the diaspora population, and the return of a small Jewish population to the holy land from the Babylonian captivity with the permission of Cyrus of Persia.

Posted by trailing wife 2018-10-05 13:38|| 2018-10-05 13:38|| Front Page Top

#6 TW, in my recent convalescence last year I found myself listening a lot to Mike Duncan's "History of Rome" podcast. The section on Hadrian suggested that he was mentally not all there, and that Hadrian basically put down a revolt that wasn't happening anywhere but in his head. Is that accurate?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2018-10-05 19:56|| 2018-10-05 19:56|| Front Page Top

#7 As described by the Jewish Virtual Library entry on the Bar Kochba Revolt, or the 3rd Jewish War, once crowned as emperor Hadrian started out positive toward the Jews, then reversed course:

The Bar Kokhba revolt marked a time of high hopes followed by violent despair. The Jews were handed expectations of a homeland and a Holy Temple, but in the end were persecuted and sold into slavery. During the revolt itself, the Jews gained enormous amounts of land, only to be pushed back and crushed in the final battle of Bethar.

When Hadrian first became the Roman emperor in 118 C.E., he was sympathetic to the Jews. He allowed them to return to Jerusalem and granted permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple. The Jews’ expectations rose as they made organizational and financial preparations to rebuild the temple. Hadrian quickly went back on his word, however, and requested that the site of the Temple be moved from its original location. He also began deporting Jews to North Africa.

The Jews prepared to rebel until Rabbi Joshua ben Hananiah calmed them. The Jews then satisfied themselves with preparing secretly in case a rebellion would later become necessary. They built hideouts in caves and did shoddy work building weapons so that the Romans would reject the weapons and return them to the Jews.

...As long as Hadrian remained near Judea, the Jews stayed relatively quiet. When he left in 132, the Jews began their rebellion on a large scale. They seized towns and fortified them with walls and subterranean passages. Under the strong leadership of Shimon Bar-Kokhba, the Jews captured approximately 50 strongholds in Judea and 985 undefended towns and villages, including Jerusalem. Jews from other countries, and even some gentiles, volunteered to join their crusade. The Jews minted coins with slogans such as “The freedom of Israel” written in Hebrew. Hadrian dispatched General Publus Marcellus, governor of Syria, to help Rufus, but the Jews defeated both Roman leaders. The Jews then invaded the coastal region and the Romans began sea battles against them.

It sounds like there would not have been a revolt had Hadrian not mismanaged the entire situation so incredibly badly, Snowy Thing, but the revolt was certainly not a figment of his imagination. Back in May, the Times of Israel reported another finding of coins struck by the rebels during that period.

Posted by trailing wife 2018-10-05 21:21|| 2018-10-05 21:21|| Front Page Top

#8 The Jews were handed expectations of a homeland and a Holy Temple, but in the end were persecuted and sold into slavery.

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Posted by Frank G 2018-10-05 21:38|| 2018-10-05 21:38|| Front Page Top

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