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2019-09-10 Britain
Queen Elizabeth approves Brexit delay law: UK House of Lords
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Posted by trailing wife 2019-09-10 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [627 views ]  Top

#1 I guess we'll have to wain for Nigel Farage becoming PM.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-10 01:06||   2019-09-10 01:06|| Front Page Top

#2 The Brits can’t make a decision to stay or leave. I guess they will have a front row seat when the EU comes crumbling down.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2019-09-10 01:29||   2019-09-10 01:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Brits made their decision.

Some treasonous folks who sold the sovereignty they were lent will have to be dealt with.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 07:26||   2019-09-10 07:26|| Front Page Top

#4 So now all the EU states will have to agree, right? Otherwise, it's a 'no-deal exit' on October 31st.

I'm so confused...
Posted by Bobby 2019-09-10 07:28||   2019-09-10 07:28|| Front Page Top

#5 And the theater opens in 1, 2, 3...
Posted by Dron66046 2019-09-10 07:31||   2019-09-10 07:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Supposedly this 'Brexit delay law' is worded imprecisely in that Boris Johnson is compelled to 'seek' a delay with the EU but there's plenty of room for Johnson to half-ass it / not be entirely serious about this effort, so we'll have to wait & see what happens next. Talk about a soap opera.
Posted by Raj 2019-09-10 10:47||   2019-09-10 10:47|| Front Page Top

#7 Their are already rumors that Boris and Nigel will form up s "New Majority" In which Nigel would get a cabinet position say Chancellor. And they are reputedly talking to Eastern European who are EU members who have no love for Muslims to throw spanners into the works. Get yo popcorn ready.
Posted by Groth Hupans2047 2019-09-10 11:15||   2019-09-10 11:15|| Front Page Top

#8 
Posted by 3dc 2019-09-10 11:33||   2019-09-10 11:33|| Front Page Top

#9 There's a different possible scenario.

Boris can't work out a deal, refuses to ask for a delay and is toppled by a non confidence vote (or resigns).

The opposition appoints an interim PM (a rebel Tory) who will either seel a delay (EU consent required) or on the last day revokes Article 50 (no EU consent required) in order to save Britain from a no deal Brexit. Back to Square One.

I can see Kenneth Clarke or Amber Rudd doing this. Or maybe Jo Swinson (LibDem) who is a declared Remainer.

The last week of October will be Shakespearean.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 13:38||   2019-09-10 13:38|| Front Page Top

#10 Shakespearean.

To be or not to be, that is the question? We do live in interesting times — I look forward to calmer days, when the most important question is whether the world will end in fire or in ice, or just go on as it has been.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-09-10 13:46||   2019-09-10 13:46|| Front Page Top

#11 IMO, EU is finished. People who run it only have two choices: they can follow Gorbachev, or they can follow Ceaușescu.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-10 13:58||   2019-09-10 13:58|| Front Page Top

#12 Calmer days, when did we ever have those?
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 14:01||   2019-09-10 14:01|| Front Page Top

#13 The EU is not finished, far from it. And you should not wish it were. I don't think you'd look forward to Europe being controlled by Russian and Chinese interests if the center doesn't hold.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 14:03||   2019-09-10 14:03|| Front Page Top

#14 If it's a choice is between Russians and Muslims (with European technologist dhimmis) I know that I prefer. But it isn't, Russia barely a shadow of what it was, and USA is still around. It is their own people that EUrope's Mandarins have to fear. As I said, it's Gorbachev's way, or Ceaușescu's.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-10 14:09||   2019-09-10 14:09|| Front Page Top

#15 I don't think you really understand how the EU works. In the end it's not the bureaucrats who call the shots but the leaders of the major European countries.

The EU isn't any more bureaucratic than the U.S. government.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 14:13||   2019-09-10 14:13|| Front Page Top

#16 For one thing, people who voted LEAVE thinking Britain's problems with muslim immigrants would end will be disappointed even after Brexit. 'Enlightened liberals' on both sides shall see to that.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-09-10 14:30||   2019-09-10 14:30|| Front Page Top

#17  I don't think you really understand how the EU works. In the end it's not the bureaucrats who call the shots but the leaders of the major European countries.

Democratically elected leaders, accountable to their people.


Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-10 14:30||   2019-09-10 14:30|| Front Page Top

#18 EC, You keep using "save" when the word you mean is commit treason.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 14:31||   2019-09-10 14:31|| Front Page Top

#19 The EUSSR cannot die fast enough!

As Vladimir Bukovsky revelaed. It's already controlled enough by the Russians.

Who's your ex-Chancellor Schroeder working for?
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 14:33||   2019-09-10 14:33|| Front Page Top

#20 Now, now, BP. If EU was run by Russians, it would be better run - at the very least there wouldn't be Muslim/Wakandan (h/t Dron66046) emigration.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-10 14:47||   2019-09-10 14:47|| Front Page Top

#21 I do not wish it upon the British people but if a no deal Brexit happens we'll be able to test our theories.

There's no majority for a no deal Brexit in Britain. If you think there is, let the people decide between a deal or no deal.

Boris Johnson is an unelected PM without a majority.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 15:09||   2019-09-10 15:09|| Front Page Top

#22 We did decide.

You saw the video yesterday.

Leave means leave.

I'll put it here again as your memory seems to be very wobbly

Does Germany have plans for when the EUSSR implodes?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 15:21||   2019-09-10 15:21|| Front Page Top

#23 The British people did not decide on the conditions for leaving.

As I've stated, it's one thing to be willing to marry, but doesn't the bride matter, too?
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 15:24||   2019-09-10 15:24|| Front Page Top

#24 Only one person needs to divorce from an abusive spouse.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 16:00||   2019-09-10 16:00|| Front Page Top

#25 So you don't want the people decide on the terms?
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 16:08||   2019-09-10 16:08|| Front Page Top

#26 My how the children rage when Mother's not about.
Posted by Skidmark 2019-09-10 18:34||   2019-09-10 18:34|| Front Page Top

#27 EC - I've always respected your opinions and positions, but with Brexit, you seem unhinged in denying the Brits their exit? What about Hungary? Czechs? Poland?

The Bureaucratic Empire is crumbling. Punitive measures will only speed it up with resentment. Populism? You ain't seen nothing yet
Posted by Frank G 2019-09-10 19:42||   2019-09-10 19:42|| Front Page Top

#28 Fuck the terms just opt out.
Posted by chris 2019-09-10 20:08||   2019-09-10 20:08|| Front Page Top

#29 FrankG

I'm definitely not "denying" the Brits their exit. It's entirely up to them. I do feel that people weren't aware of the consequences of a no deal Brexit when they voted on the referendum. That's why I think they should be given a choice between deal/no deal.

I don't agree with the "EUSSR" labeling. As a matter of fact Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union makes it possible to leave the European Union, no ifs and buts. Should Hungary, Poland or the Czech Republic want to leave, they can do so.

If they want, they don't have to accept any terms from the EU. This means they are out, without any benefits, and will be treated like any other country not member of the EU. I don't see any punishing in that.

If they want preferential treatment from the EU, they'll have to negotiate. Switzerland or Norway have special deals with the EU.

We can talk all day long about EU bureaucracy. I still prefer Europe with the EU. We benefit from it. The company I own benefits from it. My kids benefit from it.

I hate tariffs and customs. It seems stupid to me that the Channel will become a hard customs border again. But the UK is the one deciding this.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 20:26||   2019-09-10 20:26|| Front Page Top

#30 You don't need to decide on terms for leaving.

Just have to leave.

That was the instruction the British people gave to their Parliament. The WTO trade framework is much better than membership of the EUSSR. Due to their terrible tendencies towards establishment marxism It will be hard for the EUSSR politburo to come up with anything better for either party.

Britain is merely getting the first lifeboat.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 20:40||   2019-09-10 20:40|| Front Page Top

#31 Valdimir Bukovsky and Pavel Stroilov's writings showing soviet infiltration was welcomed at all levels of the EU bureaucracy, is why he and I name it the EUSSR.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-09-10 20:42||   2019-09-10 20:42|| Front Page Top

#32 The book was nonsense
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 20:48||   2019-09-10 20:48|| Front Page Top

#33 #9 There's a different possible scenario. ...
The last week of October will be Shakespearean.


Owen Glendower
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur
Why, so can I, or so can any man,
But will they come when you do call for them?
Posted by Lex 2019-09-10 21:30||   2019-09-10 21:30|| Front Page Top

#34 Glendower:
Why, I can teach you, cousin, to command
The devil

Hotspur:
And I can teach thee, coz, to shame the devil—
By telling the truth. Tell truth and shame the devil.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-09-10 21:55||   2019-09-10 21:55|| Front Page Top

#35 Re: #29 - Perhaps they KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR.
Posted by Frank G 2019-09-10 21:56||   2019-09-10 21:56|| Front Page Top

#36 The truth, coz, is that Britain cannot remain Britain and submit to the terms of full-blown EU membership.

The elites are happy to cast off British history and merge Britain into a bureaucratic superstate because it's how their bread is buttered.

The "human rights lawyers," trade lawyers, moneyfiddlers, left-wing journalists and bureaucrats have everything to lose and little to gain from preserving Britain's unique identity and historic processes for making and administering the laws of the land.

It is the people who reject the heavy handed and distinctly in-British EU who are making the morally superior, non-aggrandizing choice. Bully for them.
Posted by Lex 2019-09-10 23:43||   2019-09-10 23:43|| Front Page Top

#37 *un-British
Posted by Lex 2019-09-10 23:44||   2019-09-10 23:44|| Front Page Top

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