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2019-10-30 Home Front: Politix
Tulsi Gabbard Needs To Be Stopped... She's Telling People The Truth About US Wars
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Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-10-30 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ]  Top

#1 Ending its regime-change war in Syria and elsewhere and ending its diabolical collusion with terror groups is the way to bring peace to the Middle East

More sophomoric tripe from anonymous paranoids. I don't see the wisdom of keeping a substantial forward presence in Syria, but it's simply retarded to assert that this presence is "diabolical." ISIS is diabolical. The Iranian mullah are wicked and thoroughly corrupt. Our troops are none if the above.

The other idiocy in this addled rant are the twin delusions that Peace Is At Hand in that region that thrives on constant war and that it's only the evil genie, the Great Satan, that's preventing rainbows 'n' fairies from sprouting across the region.

Idiot.
Posted by Beldar Hitler8122 2019-10-30 01:41||   2019-10-30 01:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Ok, ok....comparing apples to oranges. I get that. But once again, Switzerland. No wars or conflicting foreign entanglements in over 700 years. They just keep to themselves and mind their own business.

Is there something we might possibly learn from these very private and industrious people ?
Posted by Besoeker 2019-10-30 04:34||   2019-10-30 04:34|| Front Page Top

#3 Is there something we might possibly learn from these very private and industrious people ?

Provide a valuable service & make conquest unprofitable.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-30 05:06||   2019-10-30 05:06|| Front Page Top

#4 Ref #3: Provide a valuable service & make conquest unprofitable.

Yes, yes... but we were talking about Switzerland, were we not? Or did you have somewhere else in mind, whahahaa.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-10-30 07:35||   2019-10-30 07:35|| Front Page Top

#5 Switzerland. No wars or conflicting foreign entanglements in over 700 years.

Wasn't much of a war when the French Revolutionary armies overran the place. Looting the banks worked out fine. They 'reorganized' it as the Helvetic Republic. Further 'reorganization' occurred after their civil war.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-10-30 07:47||   2019-10-30 07:47|| Front Page Top

#6 Thanks for that interesting link P2k. The food would have been much more interesting, but thankfully, we did't have to have French assistance with "central government" and the "looting of our banks."

Our own elected officials are accomplishing all of that on their own.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-10-30 07:54||   2019-10-30 07:54|| Front Page Top

#7 Think of the entire democrat party as a magician, then remember the maxim: "Don't listen to the magician's patter, watch what his hands are doing." Gabbard is the magician's patter.
Posted by M. Murcek 2019-10-30 08:17||   2019-10-30 08:17|| Front Page Top

#8 OK. I admit it. I'm I simple man. I think in simple terms. If I see a neighbor beating his kids, starving them and attacking other neighbors, I going to do something about it. No one has ever convinced me that ignoring a thug is the best solution. International politics is the neighborhood writ large.
Posted by Mercutio 2019-10-30 08:43||   2019-10-30 08:43|| Front Page Top

#9 Is there something we might possibly learn from these very private and industrious people ?

The value of being surrounded by an Alpine fortress?
Free-riding?
Chocolate-making?

What a ridiculous comparison.
Posted by Beldar Hitler8122 2019-10-30 09:27||   2019-10-30 09:27|| Front Page Top

#10 Our troops are none if the above.

Ok, so you DO know that the US government supported Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria, right? Please tell me you know this. Because if you don't...WTF? Their videos were everywhere. The local affiliate of Al-Qaeda in Syria is called Al-Nusra.

International politics is the neighborhood writ large.

This is pure, 100% globalism. The United States is NOT repeat NOT world police. Who asked us to meddle in other countries business? Who?

The job of the US government is to take care of the American people. At best, we can serve as a positive example for others to follow. Reagan's "shining city on a hill" metaphor. What we do NOT do is go and get involved in every petty dispute between cultures that have been fighting for thousands of years. That's the way not just to fail, but go broke doing it.

Imagine that the US had spent six trillion dollars improving itself in the past 18 years instead of on useless wars. We would have free college education for every citizen, a border wall 30 feet high, free puppies and kittens for everyone and jetpacks. But what did we get instead? Graveyards full of good people from middle America and a skyrocketing debt.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-10-30 10:19||   2019-10-30 10:19|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ Moi, I like Switzerland, a lot. If I had to live anywhere outside the US, Switzerland would be my go-to country.

Great culture, thoroughly democratic, great health care, normal upstanding people with a relatively low tolerance for bullshit and identity politics.

Gorgeous country, great food, clean air, healthy environment, super-easy to get to any of a dozen lovely historical capitals.

But they have something we don't have: culture homogeneity. They're all white christian Europeans with a deep commitment to the legacy of Roman / Christian Central Europe. They love their heritage. They will fight for their heritage, and they mean it: IIUC, all able-bodied males--every one of them-- are for all purposes in the reserves, trained and armed and ready to defend their nation at, so to speak, a minute's notice.

Now compare these healthy, focused, quietly proud Spartans with our Shitshow sadsack once-and-former republic. Yes, we have our own Helvetians who love our heritage and would fight for it, many of whom came to the country from abroad and chose this higher path.

But American culture at large and far too many Americans are, like Big Mike and his fellow global grifter husband, shitty opportunists who hate our heritage and run it down every chance they get. Those Americans have zero in common with proud Helvetians.

Culture matters. Hugely. Unless/until you replace the Grifter class with tens of millions of Helvetians, there's no way we could emulate the Swiss.
Posted by Lex 2019-10-30 10:27||   2019-10-30 10:27|| Front Page Top

#12 Imagine that the US had spent six trillion dollars improving itself in the past 18 years instead of on useless wars. We would have free college education for every citizen

The first cogent argument for being involved in ME (except oil that no longer relevant) I ever heard.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-30 10:30||   2019-10-30 10:30|| Front Page Top

#13 ^ Snark o' the Day. Well played, grom!
Posted by Lex 2019-10-30 10:34||   2019-10-30 10:34|| Front Page Top

#14 Herb/Not Herb is much easier than Bee/Not Bee.

I have not come across such a loquacious review since NPR did Snakes on a Plane.

The Swiss - premier mercenaries since after Rome.
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-10-30 10:34||   2019-10-30 10:34|| Front Page Top

#15 Second that.
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-10-30 10:38||   2019-10-30 10:38|| Front Page Top

#16 #2 This might also have something to do with it, an armed citizenry:

The regulations of the Swiss militia system stipulate that the soldiers keep their own personal equipment, including all personally assigned weapons, at home.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-30 11:59||   2019-10-30 11:59|| Front Page Top

#17 I'd like to add that I found the Swiss truly liberal in their views, but most cantons solidly grounded in christian culture.

Christian. That word is what saves cultures from the modern assholery that is our bane.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-30 12:06||   2019-10-30 12:06|| Front Page Top

#18 Our culture hates everything that the Swiss, in their quietly proud unassuming way, still revere:

- the Christian/European cultural heritage
- democratic federalism + respect for the nation's constitution
- the rights and privileges of citizenship (as opposed to open borders and "global citizen" nonsense)
- a rugged, armed citizenry well-trained in the arts of national defense
Posted by Lex 2019-10-30 12:15||   2019-10-30 12:15|| Front Page Top

#19 Plus, Switzerland is a fortress that doubles up as a paradise on earth. The dual-use rigged-to-blow architecture can hide armaments and explosives, the regular security drills show a keen sense of security and a vigilant mindset.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-30 12:35||   2019-10-30 12:35|| Front Page Top

#20 Bernie Sanders' "free college" program that was widely mocked as unaffordable? $60 billion a year. Trump's wall? $25 billion one-time. This is pennies compared to our endless, useless foreign wars.

Honestly it would have been a better idea to send C-17s to Afghanistan to bomb them with pallets full of $100 bills. It would have worked better and been cheaper.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-10-30 13:13||   2019-10-30 13:13|| Front Page Top

#21 p.s. Try to immigrate to Switzerland
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-30 13:15||   2019-10-30 13:15|| Front Page Top

#22 A lively discussion.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-10-30 13:20||   2019-10-30 13:20|| Front Page Top

#23 Is there something we might possibly learn from these very private and industrious people ?

Be a small, unimportant country (known before modern banking as specializing in cheese, lovely mountain hikes, and mercenaries because they had nothing else to trade) that’s impossible to march an army through — not to mention all the villagers are armed to the teeth? ;-) I believe one or another of the Roman generals commented about barbaric Helvetians climbing up on their mountainsides to drop things on invaders...

Raclette is a traditional Swiss meal that consists entirely of cheese softened next to a fire, eaten with bread, pickled pearl onions and possibly a bit of sausage — not even so ornate as fondue, which says something.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-10-30 14:48||   2019-10-30 14:48|| Front Page Top

#24 Great culture, thoroughly democratic, great health care, normal upstanding people with a relatively low tolerance for bullshit and identity politics.

All true... except for the healthcare part. I found that out the hard way when my father got food poisoning in Crans-Montana. The healthcare was something out of a Benny Hill sketch.
Posted by Secret Master 2019-10-30 16:03||   2019-10-30 16:03|| Front Page Top

#25 But they have something we don't have: culture homogeneity. They're all white christian Europeans with a deep commitment to the legacy of Roman / Christian Central Europe.

I think you haven't been in Zurich for a while.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-30 16:49||   2019-10-30 16:49|| Front Page Top

#26 Be a small, unimportant country (known before modern banking as specializing in cheese, lovely mountain hikes, and mercenaries because they had nothing else to trade)

Don't forget the cuckoo clocks.


Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2019-10-30 17:26||   2019-10-30 17:26|| Front Page Top

#27 EC: you haven't been in Zurich for a while.

True, haven't been to Zurich in two decades
Posted by Lex 2019-10-30 19:10||   2019-10-30 19:10|| Front Page Top

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