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2020-08-08 Home Front: Politix
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-08-08 06:57|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [320 views ]  Top

#1 "me and my group against you and your group."

..and in any other year, seen in the fall as Texas plays Oklahoma, Georgia plays Alabama, Michigan plays Ohio State, etc. My Team!
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-08-08 07:24||   2020-08-08 07:24|| Front Page Top

#2 Nice load of garbage: "Barack Obama uses the same plan as a basis for a national plan, and now the whole project is the Devil and only flaming liberals would ever approve."

In fact the Democrat Authoritarians want to ELIMINATE your plans you may currently enjoy and prefer and force you into the one they deem best (for you)
Posted by Frank G 2020-08-08 08:17||   2020-08-08 08:17|| Front Page Top

#3 "idiotic to claim that the Civil War was not about slavery..."

Absolute rubbish statement.
Posted by Clem 2020-08-08 09:15||   2020-08-08 09:15|| Front Page Top

#4 ..13th Amendment - Not passable in 1860, passed in 1865. No coincidence.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-08-08 11:44||   2020-08-08 11:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Exactly, especially since Lincoln at one time was willing to accept a constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery.
Posted by Clem 2020-08-08 12:02||   2020-08-08 12:02|| Front Page Top

#6 ^ Abraham Lincoln repeatedly stated his war was caused by taxes only, and not by slavery, at all.
"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.
"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year.
There is no proof of Lincoln ever declaring the war was fought to abolish slavery, and without such an official statement, the war-over-slavery teaching remains a complete lie and offensive hate speech that divides Americans, as is being done now by the media and politicians regarding the Confederate flag in South Carolina.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2020-08-08 12:04||   2020-08-08 12:04|| Front Page Top

#7 #3 Klement, do you claim that a capitalist society and slave society can coexist in the same country?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-08-08 12:40||   2020-08-08 12:40|| Front Page Top

#8 /\ Thank you, DB. And that Morrill Tariff was a biggie that ticked off the South.

@ #7 - g(r)om, theoretically, YES. In a totally free society, what if I wanted to voluntarily & without coercion be a slave to a landowner (for example) to support my family? What if supporting my family was more important to me than my freedom?
Posted by Clem 2020-08-08 12:45||   2020-08-08 12:45|| Front Page Top

#9 #8 (a) Slavery wasn't voluntary.
(b) It's not a question of ethics. Agrarian slave owners & industrialized capitalists have very different financial interests. As North developed, the dominance of the government by the Southerners became intolerable.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-08-08 13:11||   2020-08-08 13:11|| Front Page Top

#10 /\ You used present tense in your question, not past tense. Of course slavery wasn't voluntary then. That is one of the few things they teach correctly in school.

There were slaves in the North as well.

But the answer is still YES to your question.
Posted by Clem 2020-08-08 13:38||   2020-08-08 13:38|| Front Page Top

#11 /\ What about Hereditary Slavery, in essence a perpetual Class System? How can you have a Capitalist System where a large fraction are barred from it?
Posted by magpie 2020-08-08 13:57||   2020-08-08 13:57|| Front Page Top

#12 Like all politicians Lincoln talked around the subject. You can not escape the 13th Amendment. As for why the North fought you can find in their culture - Battle Hymn of the Republic and Battle Cry of Freedom. Those were sung in the rank. No hiding about ending slavery there.

I'm sure you'll give it up about the same time the race hustlers give up playing the slavery card.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-08-08 16:18||   2020-08-08 16:18|| Front Page Top

#13 'Burg divided 'gainst isself ... cain't stand (it no mo)
Posted by Caesar Protector of the Huns5458 2020-08-08 16:43||   2020-08-08 16:43|| Front Page Top

#14 Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure
- Lincoln

Like I wrote, talking around the subject
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-08-08 18:04||   2020-08-08 18:04|| Front Page Top

#15 @ #11 - Like we have "true" capitalism now? It's not even close to "free market" or "laissez-faire" capitalism. There are barriers to entry all over the place and nothing to do with slavery. They are called patents and fees and licenses and rules/regulations.

Posted by Clem 2020-08-08 19:44||   2020-08-08 19:44|| Front Page Top

#16 @#13 - Look at the image at the top to the right of "Rantburg".
Posted by Clem 2020-08-08 19:45||   2020-08-08 19:45|| Front Page Top

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