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2021-12-07 -Land of the Free
Attack on Pearl Harbor 1941
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Posted by badanov 2021-12-07 08:55|| || Front Page|| [12 views ]  Top

#1 Hawaii braces for 'catastrophic' flooding with up to 24 inches of rain expected as huge 'Kona storm' hits and Governor declares a state of emergency: Pearl Harbor 80th anniversary commemorations will still go ahead say organizers
Posted by Skidmark 2021-12-07 09:11||   2021-12-07 09:11|| Front Page Top

#2 Related
Posted by badanov 2021-12-07 09:18||   2021-12-07 09:18|| Front Page Top

#3 A Pearl Harbor fact that's always fascinated me is that the battleships sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor were raised and repaired, expcept for the Arizona and the Oklahoma. At the battle of the Surigao Straights in October 1944 they "crossed the Japanese T" and rained heavy caliber naval artillery down on the Japanese fleet. Or, in the immortal words of Randy Quaid, "I'm back, boys!".
Posted by Matt 2021-12-07 09:34||   2021-12-07 09:34|| Front Page Top

#4 Thank you posting this...
I was beginning to think no one remembered.

If I may add.
After 80 years there still are a lot questions regarding prior knowledge by FDR (mega-D) of the Japanese Navy attack and whether he used it for political and economic reasons.
Posted by NN2N1 2021-12-07 10:40||   2021-12-07 10:40|| Front Page Top

#5 /\ "Co-conspiracy theory?" "Duplicitous" politicians? Not so difficult to understand, in light of current events in the Pacific:

He (FDR) allegedly created this consensus by provoking the Japanese into the attack on Pearl Harbor. As the revisionists describe it, Roosevelt purposefully increased tensions between Washington and Tokyo by introducing embargoes in 1940–41 on scrap metals and petroleum products that Japan needed for its war machine. By the fall of 1941, according to the revisionists, American policy makers had concluded that Japan would attack the U.S. fleet in Hawaii in the belief that the United States would then seek a settlement in the Pacific, thereby freeing Japan to create an East Asian “co-prosperity sphere.” Although Roosevelt and his closest advisers in the State, War, and Navy departments knew that an attack was imminent, the revisionists argue, they did not alert the military, believing that a surprise attack would create an overwhelming consensus for involvement in both the European and Pacific wars. As evidence of Roosevelt’s duplicity, they cite the fact that the administration failed to notify the military of decoded Japanese messages indicating that an attack would take place on December 6–7.

Link to article
Posted by Besoeker 2021-12-07 10:49||   2021-12-07 10:49|| Front Page Top

#6 As evidence of Roosevelt’s duplicity, they cite the fact that the administration failed to notify the military of decoded Japanese messages indicating that an attack would take place on December 6–7.

..but they didn't know exactly where.

Let's remember also that FDR along with Churchill executed Operation Torch without warning or declaration of war while the US had open diplomatic relations with Vichy France.
Posted by Procopius2k 2021-12-07 11:58||   2021-12-07 11:58|| Front Page Top

#7 "Gentlemen don't read each others' mail" blah-blah-blah. Now they read it, mis-state it (or totally fogging make it up) and all the war is done in the press.
Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-07 12:00||   2021-12-07 12:00|| Front Page Top

#8 Never could buy it, too many moving parts especially in the Japanese Political Theater.

I buried that theory when literally every libertarian wanna-be spouted it off like canon and as often as vegans declare their absolutes.
Posted by swksvolFF 2021-12-07 16:43||   2021-12-07 16:43|| Front Page Top

#9 My father said Ft Bliss was prepared for the Imperial Army to land in Central America and invade our Southern Border. He manned a 50 caliber machine gun nest on the Rio Grande before Pearl Harbor. Bought is way out of the military
When Pearl happened he reinlisted.
Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454 2021-12-07 19:32||   2021-12-07 19:32|| Front Page Top

#10 We should help whoever wants to invade south / central America and simultaneously build a real wall.

Rock n Roll.
Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-07 19:35||   2021-12-07 19:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Martin-Bellinger report predicted 7 Dec 1941 on 31 Mar 1941:
the Martin-Bellinger Report, as it has come to be known,
described their estimate of the Japanese threat to Hawaii. Prophetically,
they wrote in the Possible Enemy Action paragraph:
(a) A declaration of war might be preceeded by:
1. A surprise submarine attack on ships in the
operating area.
2. A surprise attack on Oahu including ships
and installations in Pearl Harbor.
3. A combination of these two.
(b) It appears that the most likely and dangerous
form of attack on Oahu would be an air attack. It is believed that at present such an attack would most likely be
launched from one or more carriers which would probably approach inside of three hundred mile.
* * * * *
(e) In a dawn air attack there is a high probability
that it could be delivered as a complete surprise in spite
of any patrols we might be using and that it might find us
in a condition of readiness under which pursuit would be
slow to start.
To prevent the Japanese surprise attack that they described, Martin and
Bellinger, cognizant of the shortage of long-range reconnaissance aircraft,
described the action open to them: “Run daily patrols as far as possible to
seaward through 360 degrees to reduce the probabilities of surface or air surprise. This would be desirable but can only be effectively maintained with
present personnel and material for a very short period and as a practicable
measure cannot, therefore, be undertaken unless other intelligence indicates that a surface raid is probable within rather narrow time limits.”
Posted by Bubba Lover of the Faeries8843 2021-12-07 23:59||   2021-12-07 23:59|| Front Page Top

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