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2022-03-31 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Russia continues bombardment of Ukrainian cities despite peace talk claims

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Posted by Fred 2022-03-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

Posted by Mándala a lá verga 2022-03-31 00:37|| 2022-03-31 00:37|| Front Page Top

#2 Who was it who pointed out that "the American symbol is an eagle brandishing arrows in one claw and an olive branch in the other"?

Anyone remember 'Linebacker' in December 1972?

Posted by George Jones6649 2022-03-31 00:59|| 2022-03-31 00:59|| Front Page Top

#3 Official institutions and media outlets, and rantburg in particular are deliberately spreading lies, this is poisonous and destroys their credibility. I can never again listen to an American military spokesman and trust a single word coming out of his mouth.

Of course I’m sure some people in here will be quick to point out that the American government has lied about many things before. Well, yes. But I as a human being can only speak out of my own personal awareness. My nagging doubts about my government were all confirmed by this war.
Dear Fred and dear readers:

Information wars are won by the truth

As far as I can reasonably tell, the Russian MoD have told the truth and done their best to not distribute false information. This is the first and main reason I argue that Russia is not losing the information war. Both Ukraine and their NATO masters utterly destroyed their credibility, nothing they say can be believed
Information wars are won by the truth.
There is this idea that “both sides are equally bad” and everyone spreads disinformation. No. If a general or government spokesman says something, it should and absolutely must be a true statement, not a lie. If he says that 20 enemy tanks have been destroyed, that must be a true statement. If he says that we have had 500 soldiers killed in action, this must be a true statement. See, if a general lies about enemy casualties, and his own casualties, nothing he says can be trusted. This is why it is so important for official spokesmen and outlets to not tell lies.
Our governments in the West want us to believe that everyone lies like them and it’s just not true. Our governments lie, and the Russian government tells the truth. Or at least they try to tell the truth, and frankly, telling the truth is genuinely not hard if you make an honest attempt. Anyone with a functioning brain should be able to see that now.

Joint Publication 3-13: US DOD Information Operations

AR 360-1: US Army Public Affairs Program

ADP FM 6-0: Commander and Staff Organizations and Operations

Patterns of Conflict by John Boyd (Credit for this document goes to Chet Richards, link follows to his site slightlyeastofew.com

See thesaker.is and moonofalabama.org for some great analysis of the war in Ukraine.

Posted by Mándala a lá verga 2022-03-31 03:11|| 2022-03-31 03:11|| Front Page Top

#4 Pravda and Izvestia, Mándala a lá verga. Do remember that your beloved Russia is very friendly with the Israel that you want to see nuked.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-31 03:22|| 2022-03-31 03:22|| Front Page Top

#5 #3 Official institutions and media outlets, and rantburg in particular are deliberately spreading lies, this is poisonous and destroys their credibility. I can never again listen to an American military spokesman and trust a single word coming out of his mouth.

Rantburg, as far as I can tell, is one if the few media outlets which presents both sides of the war, unfiltered. We want our readers to choose whom they believe, and for the most part, they have chosen.

*snip*

As far as I can reasonably tell, the Russian MoD have told the truth and done their best to not distribute false information. This is the first and main reason I argue that Russia is not losing the information war. Both Ukraine and their NATO masters utterly destroyed their credibility, nothing they say can be believed

Russian and Ukrainian military authorities are telling their version of events. As I have pointed out elsewhere, they may lie, but they cannot lie about everything. Time and space is one element they cannot lie about.

The Russian and Ukrainian MoDs has been professional in their news presentations. The Ukrainian have been less so, lamentably.

News presentations are only as good as the gatherers and your bosses allow it to be.

Posted by badanov 2022-03-31 04:35|| 2022-03-31 04:35|| Front Page Top

#6 Pravda and Izvestia,

"In Truth there is no news and in News there is no truth."
I used to laugh at that. We were so much better than the Soviets with our free and open press.
Let us just say my views on that subject have evolved.

Posted by SteveS 2022-03-31 09:10|| 2022-03-31 09:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Did any American news outlet infirm their readers as to Putin's stated justification for the war? There was a great deal of opinion, lots of "analysis" aka spin, but we didn't see the actual relevant words the man said. For Russia, NATO’s expansion into Ukraine from the beginning has been viewed as the YS positioning for a potential nuclear war against or nuclear blackmail of Russia. No western outlet even mentioned that Putin alleges, with much evidence to support it, bad faith in the provocative US positioning of US missile "defense" systems in Eastern Europe.

Putin warned on February 23 that “positioning areas for interceptor missiles are being established in Romania and Poland as part of the US project to create a global missile defense system. It is common knowledge that the launchers deployed there can be used for Tomahawk cruise missiles – offensive strike systems…. In other words, the allegedly defensive US missile defense system is developing and expanding its new offensive capabilities.”

"The information we have gives us good reason to believe that Ukraine’s accession to NATO and the subsequent deployment of NATO facilities has already been decided and is only a matter of time [and] American strategic planning documents confirm the possibility of a so-called preemptive strike at enemy missile systems. We also know the main adversary of the United States and NATO. It is Russia… Ukraine will serve as an advanced bridgehead for such a strike.”

Posted by Boss Snomotch2803 2022-03-31 09:25|| 2022-03-31 09:25|| Front Page Top

#8 If the truth is on Putin's side why is he closing or restricting independent Russian media outlets?

Posted by Matt 2022-03-31 09:36|| 2022-03-31 09:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Did any American news outlet infirm their readers as to Putin's stated justification for the war? There was a great deal of opinion, lots of "analysis" aka spin, but we didn't see the actual relevant words the man said. For Russia, NATO’s expansion into Ukraine from the beginning has been viewed as the YS positioning for a potential nuclear war against or nuclear blackmail of Russia. No western outlet even mentioned that Putin alleges, with much evidence to support it, bad faith in the provocative US positioning of US missile "defense" systems in Eastern Europe.

Readers should have concluded when a sovereign nation wants to talk about security guarantees for its own borders, and all it gets in reply is economic sanctions, something inevitable is about to take place.

Posted by badanov 2022-03-31 09:38|| 2022-03-31 09:38|| Front Page Top

#10 If the truth is on ~~Putin's~~ Zelensky's side why did he ban his entire political opposition including all opposing parties and close or restrict independent ~~Russian~~ Ukrainian media outlets?

We are only hearing one side's arguments, which are very weak. We're not even hearing the other side's arguments, instead we get a daily diet of propaganda and spin and cheerleading. This is not going to end well for us (or anyone)

Posted by Angolunter Grundy4395 2022-03-31 09:46|| 2022-03-31 09:46|| Front Page Top

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