From Egyptian Blog 'Big Pharoah':
EFL - RTWT - Pharaoh has some info about this guy and his financing:
Egyptian-born and Qatari-based prominent sunni cleric Youssef Qardawi issued a fatwa declaring that it is a must to kill American civilians in Iraq because they are "invaders" just like the army. The fatwa was issued in a meeting with the Egyptian journalist syndicate here in Cairo.
Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz urged educators on Sunday to avoid promoting extremist concepts and warned them against covering up on extremist activities. "The first thing teachers should do is serve religion and the homeland, nothing else - neither serving terrorism nor external principles that come to us and which we don't accept," the state SPA news agency quoted Abdullah as telling education ministry officials and school heads during a meeting marking the new academic year. Saudi Arabia's educational system and curricula have come under fire in the West, particularly the United States, for allegedly fueling the kind of extremism that led to the September 11, 2001 attacks, in which 15 of 19 presumed suicide hijackers were Saudi. But the Muslim kingdom, stung by a wave of terror on its own soil which began in May 2003 and has been blamed on Islamist militants, is taking tentative steps to reform its education system to combat extremism.
Officials also endlessly repeat that Islam is a tolerant religion that has nothing to do with the "deviant thinking" of fanatics. "Your creed is the most important thing," Abdullah, the kingdom's de facto ruler, told the educators. "But this is the Koran (holy book) and Sunna (the prophet Mohammad's doings and sayings), no more. As to the interpretations (of Islamic teachings), you know better than most what they have led to," Abdullah said. He was apparently referring to interpretations that justify resorting to terror, namely the ideology of "takfeer" under which other Muslims are branded as infidels in order to legitimize violence against them. "I think some of you know about certain things (extremist activities by teachers) but try to cover up a bit," Abdullah said. "But there's no room for that. This is a question of life or death, of a country, and before that of a religion," he said.
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Saudi educators warned not to foster terrorism on Saudi soil
The first thing teachers should do is serve religion ...
Too bad the article's title and one of its opening lines don't reconcile. The Saudi government itself is one of the primary purveyors of anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism in the entire Middle East. One can hardly expect that any teachings will be monitored when Saudi government agencies are spewing the exact sort of hate-filled messages they are purportedly railing against.
Courtesy of MEMRI, here are some samples for your delectation:
August 20, 2004 - No.768 Saudi Armed Forces Journal on the Jews: 'The Fabricated Torah, Talmud, and Protocols of the Elders of Zion Command Destruction of All Non-Jews for World Domination'
A journal titled "Al-Jundi Al-Muslim" (The Muslim Soldier), which is published by the Religious Affairs Department of the Saudi armed forces, published an antisemitic article in its "Know Your Enemy" section. The article was written by Ma'ashu Muhammad and was titled "The Jews in the Modern Era." The following are excerpts from the article:
"The majority of revolutions, coups d'etat, and wars which have occurred in the world [in the past], those that are occurring, and those that will occur, are almost entirely the handiwork of the Jews. They [the Jews] turned to [these methods] in order to implement the injunctions of the fabricated Torah, the Talmud, and the 'Protocols [of the Elders of Zion'], all of which command the destruction of all non-Jews in order to achieve their goal - namely, world domination ...
"The Jews caused the outbreak of World War I and World War II, after they deceived the English into believing that they would be the sole beneficiaries of the First World War. The wealthy Jews made fantastic profits, paid for by the blood of millions of Englishmen, Americans, French, etc.
June 24, 2004 - No.29 Incitement to Jihad on Saudi Government-Controlled TV
By Steven Stalinsky*
As part of MEMRI's TV Monitoring Project, Saudi government controlled television channels including TV1, TV2 and satellite channels such as Iqraa TV, are continually monitored. [1] These channels include shows with leading Saudi religious figures, professors, members of the royal family, government leaders and intellectuals. Constant themes within Saudi television shows include: calls for the annihilation of Christians and Jews, rampant anti-Americanism and antisemitism, support for Jihad, incitement against U.S. troops in Iraq, and the coming Islamic conquest of the U.S. Segments from these TV shows can be found at www.memriTV.org .
Sheik Dr. Ahmad Abd Al-Latif, a professor at Um Al-Qura University , was asked the following question on Saudi channel TV1 on May 24: "Some imams and preachers call for Allah to annihilate the Jews and those who help them, and the Christians and those who support them⦠Is it permitted according to Islamic law?" Professor Al-Latif responded: "What made them curse the Jews is that the Jews are oppressors⦠The same goes for the Christians, because of their cruel aggression against Islamic countries ⦠while the truth is that this is a crusading war whose goal is to harm Muslims. This is why a Muslim is allowed to curse the oppressors from among the Jews and Christians⦠Cursing the oppressing Jews and the oppressing and plundering Christians and the prayer that Allah will annihilate them is permitted."
June 3, 2004 - No.726 Saudi Officials Reinforce Crown Prince Abdallah's Accusation that Zionists Are Behind Terror Attacks in Saudi Arabia
At the Saudi embassy in Washington D.C. on June 2, 2004, U.S. and Saudi officials held a news conference to announce stricter Saudi government oversight of charitable organizations which have been accused of supporting terrorism. The officials present at the press conference were Adel Al-Jubeir, foreign affairs adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdallah, E. Anthony Wayne, Assistant Secretary of State, Bureau of Economic and Business Affairs, and Juan Zarate, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Executive Office of Terrorist Financing and Financial Crime, Treasury Department. The officials were asked by the media about comments made by Crown Prince Abdallah in reaction to the May 1, 2004 terrorist attack in Yunbu, Saudi Arabia, in which seven people were killed. On the day after the attack, Crown Prince Abdallahstated at a gathering of Saudi dignitaries that "Zionists" were to blame: "This is seduction. You all know who is behind it all. Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I don't say, I mean⦠It is not 100%, but 95% [certain] that the Zionist hands are behind what happened. But I tell you that you can be 100% sure that, Allah willing, this country will be victorious, whoever the faction that turns against it may be. But we are convinced that Zionism is behind everything. This has been established, I am not saying by 100%, but by 95%." [1]
Note the recent dates (all within 2004) of this raw sewage the Saudis now claim to be fighting. This is just more of the same old lies America is being fed as the Royals continue to stab us in the back.
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I just get a kick out of the juvinile "not 100%" thing. Cowardly snake. Hissing bullshit with, what seems like an arab thing to me now, some sort of near solved mystery attached.
That sort of propaganda must be mst be stopped. Not by 95% but by 100%
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I wonder how Bin Laden likes being a tool of the Zionists. It must be really galling to be enslaved by the Jews. (extreme sarcism)
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Lucky:
Do you think that you could possibly refrain from the use of the word "thingy"? It seems to be your hallmark, and about the only thing that makes your otherwise intelligent comments less than credible.
Dropy the thingy if you pleasey, if youy don'ty mindy!
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CiT - The "thingy" thingy is an RB tradition. For example, no one says the Red Cross - it's properly coded as The Red Cross Thingy. I happen to like the use of thingy and apply it myself when the ridicule / snarky factor needs bumping up a notch.
So don't blame Lucky when he employs good and proper RB nomenclatura to make his point. Lucky's the man, lol!
(Colombia's President Ãlvaro) Uribe Seeks More Government Informants & Tells Public Not to Pay Ransom for Their Kidnapped Loved Ones
(Colombian)President Ãlvaro Uribe asked Colombians that have kidnapped family members not to pay money to rescue them & to strengthen the networks of government informants that the government maintains for use against crime (& subversion.) Uribe, (speaking from the Colombian Department of) Antioquia said, "We need to better integrate the public with the government forces," & he added that there is a resurgence of guerrilla groups committing (crimes such as) kidnapping since the demobilization of various (right-wing) paramilitary scuadrons involved in peace negotiations with the (Colombian) government.
He underlined the fact that "this obliges us to strengthen even more the government forces, to integrate the public even more with the government forces. All over (the country) we need groups of collaborators to integrate themselves with the government's forces (...) & we need everyone to stop paying ransoms so that we can avoid kidnappings & rescue the hostages. He explained that the authorities have mechanisms to facilitate & ease the process of providing information to the government by collaborators & informants. He insisted that "If we all work together with the government forces we can avoid kidnappings & we can get the hostages back. If we pay the kidnappers we just give them incentive to continue kidnapping."
According to official data, the policy of "democratic security" that the (current) administration (of Uribe) promotes has succeeded in reducing kidnappings by almost fifty percent.
via El Espectador-Colombia
translated especially for Rantburg by Kentucky Beef
...Rather, it is because the French fight Islamic militants in ways that would make Israeli Shin Bit chief Avi Dichter proud and US Attorney General John Ashcroft envious. "France has taken one of the hardest lines of any Western country in fighting Islamic extremism," writes reporter John Carreyrou in The Wall Street Journal. "Other democracies, including the US, have been criticized for excessive methods, such as holding prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But few have been as systematic and zealous as France in attempting to stamp out Islamic militancy."
This year, eight Muslim imams have been deported from the country under a 1945 emergency law for preaching "discrimination, hatred or violence against a certain person or groups of persons." The judicial system has staged mega-trials of terrorist suspects 100 at a time, in one instance. Suspects can be held without trial for years. Torture is not uncommon: According to a BBC report, the British High Court has blocked France's extradition request of Rachid Ramda, wanted in connection to the 1995 bombing, on grounds that "the evidence against him had been beaten out of one of the bombers by the notoriously tough French anti-terrorist police..."
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French toughness begins at Calais and ends at the port of Marseilles.
In the middle east appeasement rules. That is, when they're not actually taking the side of the jihadists, er, s'excusez, la resistance contre les ricains
A bit old, but the article above mentions the terror of pHrench questioning. Maybe it's Brit-speak for diplomacy (observation, with a bit of mis-trust thrown in);). And why is it taking so long to get Hook to an 18-65's holiday camp run by Mericans somewhere? Surely we've seen and heard enough mad-mullah crap in fair old england now, with no dissent from the masses
PCUK seems really f£cked up, taking the tax money to give these people a defence. Wouldn't happen in Zimbabwe, 24 hr Deportation Order, taken very seriously, works every time.
I spit on the their Citroen from the top of the Eiffel tower.
I urinate on the walls of their subsidized apartment blocks.
I blow smoke on them as they stroll by le cafe.
I go without a shower and stop brushing my teeth for 7 months and get on le Metro and ride all over Paris.
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(With fake French accent) "Now go away or we shall taunt you a second time."
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#3 AC:
I go without a shower and stop brushing my teeth for 7 months and get on le Metro and ride all over Paris.
So you'll fit in with the Phrench and not be noticed? ;-)
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The only deported mullah that I remember was deported and then undeported quite rapidly. Weren't they quite gleeful that the Moslem Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbolah were helping them free their hostage journalists?
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via NewsDay - AP plaze wit werdz.
By SUSAN [al] SEVAREID - Monday, September 6, 2004
Images of dead, wounded and traumatized Russian children being carried from the scene of a rebel siege at their school horrified Arabs, prompting forthright self-criticism yesterday and fresh concern about an international backlash against Islam and its followers. One newspaper headline here read: "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"
Arab leaders, Muslim clerics and others across the Middle East denounced the siege that left more than 340 people dead, many of them children. Some warned that such actions damage Islam's image more than all its enemies could hope. Even some supporters of Islamic militancy condemned the siege, though at least one insisted Muslims were not behind it.
The hostage-takers reportedly were demanding the independence of the mostly Muslim Russian republic of Chechnya - a cause embraced by Arab Islamists. "Holy warriors" from the Middle East long have supported Chechen fighters, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among the militants killed when commandos stormed the Beslan school in southern Russia on Friday. Middle East security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was too early to know the nationalities of the Arabs among the dead.
However, a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism. "Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," wrote Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, in a column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. His column carried the headline telling the "painful truth" that all terrorists are Muslims.
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Perhaps if they get the Saudi PR firms flacking for them they can reestablish the centuries old reputation as the Religion of Peace.
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Maybe they just left out a coupla words. I will finish it.
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Unfortunately, it will take more of these tragedies to have enough heat put on the Muslim countries to force them to change. They are starting to wake up. I hope that they wake up before full-scale hell descends upon them and they find that civilized countries will no longer care about Muslims and their children when it comes to security. The choice is theirs. I am not very optomistic, but one never knows.
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They mean this in the same sense as a cup of sewage can taint a septic tank, right?
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How hilarious. PD has a wonderful sense of the ironic. This post represents my whole thread baiting today. It's all there. The nearly solved mystery. The childish, "it wasn't me, it was the jews"
Wonder who all the "all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it, are.
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Well I could not ever pass up a opportunity to not read either of these clowns. One of my favortie bits of comedy is turning the television volume down on a program Paul Krugman is appearing on and watching him get all spittle caked at the corners of his mouth. Does he ever shave that monobrow he has?
How anyone could confuse the knuckle dragging Krugman with anything other than a professional smart ass from someone possessing an intelect worth attention is beyond me.
EFL - I post it, you decide. Analysis: The hostage-takers
Confusion reigns over the identity of the group who seized the school in North Ossetia, taking hostage more than 1,000 children and their parents and teachers. The official Russian version says that the hostage-takers were a multinational group linked to the radical Chechen rebel commanders Shamil Basayev and Doku Umarov, funded by al-Qaeda.
Though some hostages are reported to have recognised Count Doku Umarov from pictures shown them by Obi-wan Kenobi investigators, little other evidence has otherwise been produced to support the claim. Officials initially claimed there were nine or 10 Arabs among the hostage-takers - possibly in an attempt to back up their allegation of al-Qaeda involvement - but some surviving hostages have said they saw no Arabs in the school.
Western experts say that allegations of a direct link between al-Qaeda and Chechen rebel leaders remain unproven - though it is well-known that the rebels receive funding from foreign Muslim sympathisers and that Arab commanders occupy key positions in the rebels' ranks.
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Its only fair that the BBC doesn't know what to call these killers, for years they have been under the misconception that they are called a credible news source.
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BBC is a useless tool of terrorism.
'Thank you for your email. It is our policy generally at BBC News Online
to avoid the word "terrorist" in our stories.
We are aware of the importance of neutral language and realise that
describing actions, organisations or individuals as "terrorist" can
appear judgmental in parts of the world where there is no clear
consensus about the legitimacy of militant political groups.
We would emphasise that it remains the BBC's overall objective to
provide fair, balanced and accurate reports, which allow the public to
make an informed judgement about what is happening in the world. We hope
this goes some way towards meeting your concerns.
Thank you again for your email and your interest in our coverage.
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SPoD - You must have been very polite/ faux lefty in tone. I've penned several to the news editor and had naught in return. I see this article bears a picture of 'armed people' ;)
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Bears???! Rowwwr!
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We would emphasise that it remains the BBC's overall objective to provide fair, balanced and accurate reports, which allow the public to make an informed judgement about what is happening in the world.
American Muslim leaders ended their largest annual meeting with a rousing plea to thousands of community members that they vote against Bush in the presidential election. Muslims urgently want to register their political presence in this country as a step toward ending what many believe are excesses in the war on terror. "We have to demand justice," said Mahdi Bray, head of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, as the convention wound down Sunday night. "We have to stand up to this government and say, `What you're doing is wrong'." Fighting and preventing terrorism is not wrong, Mr. Bray.
The American Muslim Taskforce, an umbrella group for top U.S. Muslim organizations, met behind closed doors separately from the weekend conference, deliberating whether to make an endorsement in the race...Despite bitter feelings over how President Bush has conducted the war on terror, Muslim leaders said an endorsement for his challenger, Democratic Sen. John Kerry, was not guaranteed...A decision is expected by next month. A great Futures opportunity. Anyone care to guess?
In 2000, leaders of major Muslim organizations made their first endorsement in a presidential race, choosing Bush over Democrat Al Gore....However, many rank-and-file Muslims -- especially U.S.-born blacks, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic -- opposed that 2000 decision. After the September 11, 2001, attacks, and the anti-terror policies that followed, the Muslim leaders who had organized the Bush endorsement said openly they had made a mistake. Read that again: After the 9-11 attacks...the Bush endorsement was a mistake. Continued on Page 49
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I'd like to see a breakout of where Iraqi-Americans stand on this.
Fine comments.
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09/06/2004 11:55 Comments ||
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Looks like another foreign leader endorsement coming. How can Kerry lose?
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I suspect that these "leaders" are as self-appointed as are the leaders of the African American community. That being said, they are probably desperate to find out where the typical Moslem is going, then to put themselves at the head of the column.
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Muslims will vote with their pocketbooks. Do they want to pay more taxes under Kerry, or are they willing to put up with non-existent persecution under Bush? I predict 40-60 for Bush. (Note that Kerry's grandparents were Jewish, and I'm not sure how many Muslims feel comfortable with that).
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W will welcome Kerry receiving the endorsement of this fine organization. He might even be able to work that into an ad aimed at Dem jewish voters...hmmm
Mr. Bray might think about if another muslim-inspired attack occurs in America if he wants to know what excessive is
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Vote the straight Jihadi ticket in the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening and if we call 'ya after the bar closes.
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If the Muslim community is going to vote enmasse for Kerry, I would like that poll publicized.
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HT One Hand Clapping The following letter to the editor appeared in the Benton Courier on August 31. Mr. Nelson was a passenger on a Delta flight and witnessed an act of discourtesy to a young mother, home on a brief deployment leave. I am appalled.
This letter is NOT to the editor. This letter is to the young female soldier from Benton, who I had the privilege to meet this past Friday evening as we were both trying to get home to Arkansas. Returning from a business trip to New Jersey, I was changing planes in Cincinnati when we met. I had just boarded Delta Flight 6281 (operated by Chautauqua Airlines, a Delta Connection Carrier), Delta's last flight of the evening to Little Rock, when you came onboard and sat down in front of me. I, along with other passengers who had already boarded, listened while you shared your story with us. Having spent [more than] six months in Iraq, you were traveling home to Arkansas. While in Iraq, you had been under enemy fire frequently - on many occasions, several times a day. You had lost two fellow soldiers from your post, and just recently (watched) another lose a leg. You were exhausted from two days of travel, having flown from Iraq to Kuwait, from Kuwait to the Netherlands, from the Netherlands to Cincinnati — but you were excited and happy, because Cincinnati to Little Rock meant you would be home, just in time for your youngest child's second birthday. You had 18 days' leave remaining before returning to Iraq.
This letter is also to the well-dressed, middle-aged woman who boarded the plane late, who through some administrative error had been assigned the same seat as the soldier. Your behavior made it obvious to me and those around me that you had no intention of handling the situation in a mature way. You approached the flight attendant and demanded "your seat." As the flight attendant worked with the gate crew to try and resolve the issue, the soldier was asked to leave the plane. Shortly thereafter, you returned. When I inquired as to whether you were aware that the individual who had previously been in "your seat" was a soldier traveling home from Iraq on leave to see her family, your verbatim response was, "So what — I'm a victim from Chicago! What's the difference?" All within earshot were dumbfounded. It was apparent that you have no appreciation for your fellow Americans who leave home and family and risk their lives wearing the uniform of the United States military.
This letter is also to Delta Airlines. When I, along with several others onboard, approached the Chautauqua flight attendant volunteering to give up one of our seats for the soldier, she left to ask the pilot if that could be arranged, then returned to inform me that the pilot was discussing it with "ops." I overheard part of her ensuing conversation with the pilot, where he conveyed the message that Delta would not permit a paying passenger to be replaced with a "non-rev" — so, in the end, the decision which caused the soldier to spend yet another night away from home was a financial one. Why, instead, don't soldiers like this one get preferential treatment from Delta instead of being placed last on the list? I am, and have been for many years, a Delta Medallion frequent flier, and may continue to fly Delta when appropriate. However, in spite of Delta's well-publicized financial difficulties, if it is your corporate policy to prioritize profit margin over principled corporate citizenship, then I will be a vocal opponent of any federal financial aid to Delta Airlines.
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hmmm...I'm suspicious of this letter unless it's one of those tiny little planes.
Problems: The soldier didn't just say she was returning from war, tired and going to be home for her daughter's birthday - but she also managed to tell her whole experience. That's quite a lot to cover - all before the plane taxied!
I, along with other passengers who had already boarded, listened while you shared your story with us.
I can't quite picture this. It's not easy to hear more than one seat ahead. Was the soldier standing up in the aisle, tour-guide style?
The writer seems to have pretty darn good ears - not only does he hear a whole conversation going on in the seat in front of him (possible) he also hears what the pilot says.
And the bitch lady said, "so what"??? Again...hmmmm...possible - but somewhat improbable.
I know this could have, and might have, happened (especially if a small plane) but it just seems a bit fishy to me.
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It's a 50 seat Embraer 145. One seat on one side of the aisle, two on the other. Ride that kind of plane often? I suspect folks going from Cincinnati to Little Rock on a plane like that are a bit less reserved. That's been my experience on puddle jumpers. But send a note to your friends at Delta and Chatauqua and see if they deny it.
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Letter: However, in spite of Deltaâs well-publicized financial difficulties, if it is your corporate policy to prioritize profit margin over principled corporate citizenship, then I will be a vocal opponent of any federal financial aid to Delta Airlines.
In the letter writer's view, principled corporate citizenship = letting soldiers fly for free any time they want to, even if it means losing revenue to other airlines, as corporate travelers change their reservations. I think there's a better way to do this, namely, to have Congress increase the defense budget by perhaps $2K per soldier - to provide each soldier with a travel allowance so that they can travel home after serving in combat.
The London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported that the extremist Islamic movement Al-Muhajiroun had announced a convention in London, titled "The Choice is in Your Hands: Either You're with the Muslims or with the Infidels," to mark the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks. The organization had planned a similar anniversary event a year ago, called "The Magnificent 19 [Suicide Attackers]," but had cancelled it at the last minute. The following is a summary of the report: [1]
Al-Muhajiroun leader Omar Bakri, a Syrian residing in London, told the paper by phone that the convention would feature Al-Qa'ida "surprises," with the screening of a never-before-shown video. He said that the convention will focus on "the anniversary of the division of the world into two great camps — the camp of faith and the camp of unbelief," and would take place September 11, 2004 from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m.
Bakri added: "On this day, we will talk about the ramifications of these [9/11] operations for Afghanistan and Iraq⊠We want the world to remember this operation ⊠that lifted the head of the [Muslim] nation." Bakri called 9/11 "a cry of Jihad against unbelief and oppression," and said that the aim of remembering it is to "revive the commandment of Jihad among the youth of the [Muslim] nation."
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Is there anyone out there who would cry if MI5 arranged for Bakri to have an "accident?"
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If this doesn't qualify as "hate speech", or even the much more genteel "incitement to violence" laws, then it should be legal to call minorities in London what they *used* to call minorities.
If nothing else, they should slap everyone who attends with an Anti-Social Behavior Order, known popularly as the ASBO, already widely used for every other form of public obnoxiousness.
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I'll take "With the Infidels" for $1,000, Alex.
Bakri's name should appear alongside al Qaradawi, abu Hamza, Arafat, Nasrallah, Bakir Bashir and al Sadr on a wetworks list. While bombing the convention location is a bit much, the British police should identify, fingerprint and photograph every single attendee or staff member at the conference.
Now, about hoping for an accidental building collapse due to an earthquake ...
I actually feel pretty guilty about this...we should colaborate with Israel as much as we can, however this was over a decade ago but just makes me think about how much Israel and us could acomplish.
A complicated web of 100 over marriages involving family members of key Jemaah Islamiah leaders, members and their operatives has been uncovered by security agencies across the region. Regional intelligence agencies said while they were aware that such arranged marriages had made the terrorist group into one large extended terrorist family, the extent of the family ties was something they had not expected.
I think we've already noticed it here...
"The figure is just the tip of the iceberg. We believe the number of marriages involved is certainly much higher judging from the information we have continued to gather," an official of the Indonesian Anti-Terrorism Unit told The Star. The official said the figures were compiled following exhaustive investigations into the activities of family members, especially spouses, in the operations of JI, said to be the regional arm of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda movement. This is the first time that the Indonesian Anti-Terrorism Unit has revealed the number of marriages involving JI members although such family ties have been reported by the media previously.
Cue theme music: "It's a Family Affair"...
An official said that from the investigations, these marriages had been arranged to forge bonds between Malaysian and Indonesian JI members, but agencies wanted to know how many of the spouses were full-fledged JI members. The security agencies, which have focused part of their investigations on this angle, said these marriages were made to keep the JI organisation a close-knit one from every aspect. "While family relations among JI members have been published by the media, we did not know the huge number involved. The ongoing interrogation process includes finding out from family members of arrested JI suspects how much they know of the activities carried out by their spouses or other relatives. We want to know whether they were involved in the funding aspect, for example, and whether they were involved in the propaganda work such as teaching militancy in schools," an Indonesian intelligence official said.
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Iran will soon prosecute alleged members of Al-Qaeda in revolutionary courts, the news network Khabar reported yesterday. The Iranian judiciary announced that while some of the arrested Al-Qaeda members had been repatriated, the rest would be prosecuted in revolutionary courts, which handle national security cases. The report gave no further details on the number and identity of those to be prosecuted and when the trials will be held.
Iran yesterday also condemned the UN Security Council's resolution condemning outside interference in Lebanese politics, saying it saw an Israeli hand in the text. "Whenever Israel is faced with internal tensions, it transfers the tensions outside its borders and threatens different countries such as Syria," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told reporters.
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Iran set to begin al-Qaeda trials
Presiding mullah: Fifty Rials or fifty yearsmonthsdayshoursminutesseconds!
via BBC
Saturday, 4 September, 2004, 22:39 GMT 23:39 UK Hezbollah rejects abolition call
The leader of the militant Lebanese group Hezbollah has rejected a United Nations resolution calling for the organisation to be dismantled. Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said the UN Security Council proposal was an Israeli "trap". He added that the disarmament of Hezbollah would weaken Lebanon.
Here we see Nasrallah explaining shit to the gullible press, such as the UNSC is an ?Israeli Trap? and other tripe. The Alien General from Star Wars known for his ability to spot traps after they?re sprung could not be reached for confirmation.
He also defended the presence of Syrian forces in Lebanon, saying the troops had helped the country to consolidate security after its civil war. "We don?t want a withdrawal of Syrian forces at this time," Mr Nasrallah told a Hezbollah rally in his south Beirut stronghold.
Earlier this week, the Security Council called for all foreign forces to leave Lebanon and the disarmament of militias. It also called for greater respect by external powers for Lebanese sovereignty. SyrLeb, under Hizbollah?s gracious protection, of course ignored the UNSC. The recently upgraded President-For-Life (an indeterminate term) agreed energetically with the Hisbollah seething when Nasrallah yanked on the heavy cord apparently tied around his neck.
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Now here's a guy who would look good sprawled out on some sidewalk with his brain hanging out of his head.
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You know, grown-up countries defend themselves with conscript or professional armies, not self-selected sectarian non-governmental militias. Militias like Hezbollah are generally regarded by the sane as a sign of governmental weakness, not strength. The term of art is "monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force".
.com, some of the above paragraphs look like interjections, rather than text.
Posted by: Mitch H. ||
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The one beginning opposite the photograph - should've been highlighted. BBC seldom admits there even exist things like "shit" and "gullible press", not to mention the Alien General - good catch! Apologies. The rest is there at the link.
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Nasrallah, is the local 'Osama' up the street from Israel, and another demented butcher which is on the removal list to clean up the Near East.
When one thinks of the worst type of Islamic death driven cult, Hizb'allah is it.
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
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You just gotta hope Israel gets a[nother] lock on Nasrallah right away. Maggots like this need nothing more than a Yassin-Rantissi style Hellfire enema deluxe. Try to imagine how much death and destruction this one individual has orchestrated, and I'm only talking about the Palestinians. Now add in the horrors visited upon Israel by this twisted shit and you just know this thug's number is due to come up soon.
At some point, Iran needs to be brought up short for sponsoring murderers like Nasrallah.
In an announcement for a group of (Hawza) clerics (on New Sabah website) the clerics expressed their strong rejection to the atrocities Muqtada and his Mehdi army comitted in Najaf.
At the beginning I thought that this move is a little bit late, but after a moment of thinking I changed my mind; it Isn't late at all because it wasn't possible to make such an announcement two weeks ago; no one would dare to raise his voice when the fight was on and Mehdi army men controlling parts of the city threatening and willing to kill anyone showing disapproval with them or with their crazy chief.
More over, such announcements can serve in the future because the situation isn't completely solved yet; the weapons are still in Muqtada's thugs' hands and a new crisis can explode at any time. So an announcement like this one can help bring some important hidden facts to the surface to uncover the massacres of Muqtada against Policemen and civilians and at the same time, it can undermine Muqtada's attempts to gather support by showing himself and his army as victims for the "agressions" of the Americans and the Iraqi government.
The announcement mentions that the senior clerics had tried hard to convince Muqtada to give up his plans and warned him many times that he shouldn't disturb the peace near the holy shrines but he refused to listen and insisted on adopting the wrong choice of violence , therefore he's responsible for desecrating the holiness of the shrine and also for the destruction and the casualties among civilians in Najaf.
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Security forces bungled the handling of Russia's worst hostage drama because nobody was in charge and special forces were not ready when the shooting started, security analysts said on Monday. Al-Reuters has reached a new low in reporting the news. Blaming the special forces for the massacre is just f****ing unbelievable!
"It's clear that it was a total mess," leading military analyst Alexander Golts told Reuters. "They were not prepared."
Yep, they weren't prepared for the possibility that a couple dozen terrorists would grab a school, hold a few hundred children hostage, and then start murdering them all. I gotta say, I wasn't prepared either. Must all be my fault.
As the death toll from the battle that ended the siege in the North Ossetian town of Beslan rose above 330, Russia's media asked how the vaunted special forces had allowed a two-day standoff to turn into a bloodbath.
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Al-Reuters has reached a new low .... Blaming the special forces for the massacre is just f****ing unbelievable!
Security forces bungled the handling of Russiaâs worst hostage drama .... They were not prepared.
... a key weakness was the lack of coordination between police, army, paramilitary and special forces ... Something must happen right at the top, to coordinate these structures better ...
Indeed this is a NEW LOW !!! F****ING UNBELIEVABLE!
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Read Lileks' Bleat for today. He's kind of annoyed.
Posted by: Matt ||
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Doctrinally, Spetznaz was not formed, and is neither trained nor equipped to handle rescue/domestic terrorist operations. Speznaz is for strategic recon and strategic targets against a national enemy. They train for assinations, diversionary operations and the like. That is how those folks train, that is their normal mission.
If Putin or the MoD deployed those people to effect a recue or in counter terrorist operations, they will fail to temper losses of hostages. It is inevitable. Those people are not trained for that kind of work.
However, FSB does have counter-terror teams which are equipped to deal with terrorist attack, not they are, as with Spetznaz, not trained in the specific mission of hostage rescues.
If any blame is to be placed anywhere, IMO, it is with the site commander.
From what I have read the Spetznaz were not prepared because they were not ordered to prepare for action. And let's face it. From every indication, everyone was expecting a long seige, inasmauch as the Chechens' intentions may have been otherwise, and thus were the Spetznaz.
And there is also a change in tactics of terrorist operations, not seen before. There was no waiting, no negotiations; there were signifigant breaks from the usual patterns the terrorist use that authorities can use to gain advantage.
I think the Russian government can be reliably raked over the coals for not being prepared, but that failure is firmly in the hands of the site comander, not the brave gentlemen who went in as hell broke loose.
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Wow!indeed.The Russians assualt Opera in Moscow and are criticised.They stand down their troops while negotiations are under way and they are criticised.The Russian SF are trying to plan a successful assualt and get criticised because they don't have one ready as soon as they hit the ground.The Russians made some terrible mistakes,BUT,it wasn't the Russians who intentionaly took a school hostage,it wasn't the Russians who placed explosives all over school,and it sure wasn't the Russians who shot children in the back as they tried to flee!
And before we in America get to talking how inept the Russians are,remember these 4 letters-Waco?
I have long wondered what kind of chaos would ensue if a group of terrorists took a senior Admiral and his family hostage in his house,and started killing them at long intervals.Imagine infighting between FBI,Seals,Delta,State and local Swats as to who has jurisdiction and who goes in.Or,similar situation on a Navy/USAF base.
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Exactly what kind of failure are you talking about?
Can you be rather specific?
As you yourself state, a completely new Islamonazi MO was deployed there. I am almost certain that had it happened first in Belgium, or in rural Pennsylvania, the results would be about the same.
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So, Mike, how do reconcile your lackadaisical response to THIS EXACT SAME ISSUE over in the child labor thread where I was complaining about media irresponsibility?
Your reply over there was:
[Zenster:] Reuters bears direct responsibility for the existence of this human misery .... Reuters, BBC, The Guardian and so many other mainstream media outlets ... bear some part of the death and mayhem ....
[Mike Sylwester:] Whatever.
And, yet, now you're squawking:
Indeed this is a NEW LOW !!! F****ING UNBELIEVABLE!
Care to explain?
And, yes, while there was some command breakdown in the Beslan response, it in no way ameliorates the one single fact that ISLAMIC TERRORISTS caused this to happen. Without their initiating this atrocity, no deaths would have occurred.
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Exactly what kind of failure are you talking about? Can you be rather specific?
I read news reports the same as everyone else. When the bombs started going off in day three, no one was ready. Not even special forces were ready. That is a command level failure, specifically the site commander's failure to order available forces to be ready to storm the gym.
As you yourself state, a completely new Islamonazi MO was deployed there. I am almost certain that had it happened first in Belgium, or in rural Pennsylvania, the results would be about the same
I wrote a new tactic: And that is the speed at which the inevitable attacks on civilians took place; there were no negotiations by terrorists, no information about what was going on was taking place. The lack of information reduced the effectiveness of any potential attack that was being planned.
Whether you like to admit it, terrorists have adjusted their tactics to stop any more information gathering and preparations through negotiations that authorities use. That is the change in tactics they will apparently start to use.
I am not a professional so as to discuss a future scenario, but I do read and I know enough about weapons and tactics to observe a definitive change in tactics has taken place. Future attacks will intensify as a result of this 'success' by terrorists, so what authorities can do to temper losses in any similar future scenario is an open question.
One of the first things authorities can do in response to such terrorist attacks is to adopt a system whereby a local commander can take charge of the situation to prepare locally available forces for assaults on terrorists.
I think better preparations by locally available forces could, conceivably, have reduced losses to non-combatants.
But as I have stated elsewhere, I am no professional.
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Yes there is blame enough for all in this situation, however lets look at some of the reasons that this turned out the way it did.
1. The terrs had no other goal than to create a blood bath.
2. They picked an ideal location for their purposes, scouted it ahead of the event and possibly smuggled in weapons and explosives ahead of time.
3. Beslan is a relative small town with only a local police force, not a large city with access to the Russian SWAT type forces. The "experts" talk about not securing the perimeter for a kilometer radius around the school. Consider the amount of personnel required to just clear and hold a line that is 3.1415 kilometers long. You bet every local with a weapon is going to be there long before any trained troops even get notified. The old story of if you defend every where, you defend nowhere.
4. Spetnaz is trained to be long range recon, sabotage and command strike troops, totally untrained for this situation as pointed out in an earlier comment.
5. Russia as a whole does not have the experience, equipment, and doctrine to react to this situation as the U.S. would.
I don't believe that you can place the sole blame on the troops, local commander or Putin for what happened. The time and place to start blaming is if nothing is done to remedy the situation. This was a revellie call, it is time to get the troops into formation from high to low and do what has to be done, even if it means going to America with hat in hand for assistance. If Russia/Putin would ask, we should give without any "told you so's" We are both in this together.
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"When the bombs started going off in day three, no one was ready... That is a command level failure, specifically the site commander's failure to order available forces to be ready to storm the gym."
I am sorry, I had no idea that you reside in an alternate universe. In mine, the moment the roof of the gym collapsed after a boom, the available forces stormed the place.
Local troops -- unprepared and possibly short of ammunition -- suddenly found themselves assaulting the school, while special forces moved in only half an hour after the battle began, Golts said
There was an apparent breakdown in command if troops untrained in counterterrorism fighting assaulted the school with zero preprarion and there was a 30 min delay before the commandoes went in.
I am willing to discuss this event, but if you want to turn this thread into a flame war I can accomodate you in that as well.
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Badanov, there were NO counterterrorism trained troops present. That is the essential bottom line here.
"Spetnaz is trained to be long range recon, sabotage and command strike troops, totally untrained for this situation as pointed out in an earlier comment."
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Badanov, in other words, the Russian leadership may be grilled over the fact that there is not enough CT training (either at FSB or MoI). As for Beslan, the forces involved handled the situation as best as they could. The reason why spetznaz waited may be attributable to the lack of coordination, but given the fact that there were no CT trained troops, perhaps spetznaz comand thought that the local troops are better trained for the task. It may have been apparent that is not the case after 30 minutes and spetznaz command decided to step in.
As for the "zero preparation", it is such an innane thing to say--on one hand, he decries spetznaz waiting 30 minutes, on the other he laments about 0 preparation--that am affraid Golts is an expert in horsemanure distribution.
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One important question is will Russia be able to learn and make changes based on this horror?Germany after Munich,and the US after Desert 1 decided to spend the money to build effective CounterTerror units.Will Russia be able to?While I would not be shocked to see selected Russian troops training in US in a year or so,I think the agreement w/Israel points to future of Russian CT ops.Russia may not be able to afford all the equipment US has,but can afford the gear Israel has.I would bet that in a couple of months or so,Israeli training team(s)and specialized equipment will be in Russia building a specialized CT force-in exchange for easier immigration of Russian Jews,perhaps oil,and maybe even contracts for advanced electronics for Russian A/C.I imagine the unit will be a "Presidential" unit,outside regular chain of command,and will prob get a loyal(Putin hopes)high-ranking officer who will be given "emergency" powers when deployed.Having found an extremely vulnerable spot in Russian psyche,will Chechnyans wait to strike again before such training has occurred?Given apparent Euro indifferance to Russia's suffering,will Russian leaders return to old strategy of putting as much land between threats and Mother Russia as possible?
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Badanov, there were NO counterterrorism trained troops present. That is the essential bottom line here
Agreed, and also agreed the casualties were so high because the terrorists deemed the end result to be so.
Since the spetsnaz were the only specially trained troops available it is possible that Putin had no intention of deploying FSB troops.
Why would he not? The answer could be political. assuming the Putin cares nothing for anyone in Ossetia. The answer could also be the site commander could possibly have told Putin, as apparently word did leak out, that authorities would try no assault on the school; that they would wait the terrorists out.
Another possibility: Putin told the local commander he was on his own; there wee eno troops available for him to use, which would shift the onus to Moscow.
Is it possible Russian regulars were expected to launch an assault on the school in the absencee of other troops?
I all this I am not trying to shift blame from the criminls who did this, but I would like to know why after two days the only troops available were troops untrained in counterterrorism operations.
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Zenster -- Mike was being "ironic". He agrees with Reuter's take that the Russians are at fault.
Hmmmm... I sense a pattern. Mike's always in agreement with the press (this subject and Abu Ghraib, for example), and even gets defensive when the press is criticized -- see the child labor thread. Mikey probably works for a paper somewhere, toiling in obscurity while doing his level best to make sure that only the "acceptable" news gets out.
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Thank you, RC, but I'd still like to hear Mike's side of the story, as in straight from the horse's you-know-what. This was just a little too much and it's time for people everywhere, most especially from those in the the ink-stained trades, to get up on their hind legs and take a stand.
As to "acceptable news," at what point does it no longer remain "acceptable" for supposedly professional media outlets to effectively condone and soft-sell terrorism? We've seen it already with al Jazeera. Why else has their ban from Iraq been extended indefinitely? How much closer must Western mainstream media approach the conflict-of-interest represented by al Jazeera before they no longer can make any claim to journalistic integrity? Mike has yet to respond in either thread viz this question and I find it a thundering silence quite similar to that roaring forth from the world's Muslim community with respect to Beslan.
As others here have already mentioned, any offenses committed at Abu Ghraib pale to lily white shades by comparison to this and so many other Islamist atrocities.
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Fox had a quickie report on the end of Brit's show today:
National Lampoon Online has proposed that Merriam-Webster's take the word "terrorist" out of the dictionary since it's not in use any more. If the media won't use it to describe the bad guys at the school, they never will
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Beslan is a relative small town with only a local police force, not a large city with access to the Russian SWAT type forces
Which is what also was mentioned at the briefing I got last week. Attacks like Breslan would likely happen in areas where FBI/military/anti-terrorist forces are not immediately available, as local law enforcement generally isn't prepared to deal with it.
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Re #19 (Zenster): The highlighted comment in the posting is absurd. The article did not blame the special forces for the massacre in the sense of moral culpability. The article is entirely reasonable and proper.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester ||
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Indeed. That the blame *morally* falls entirely on the terrorists, doesn't mean that there might not exist failures of e.g. incompetence on the Russian side.
There's nothing horrible about saying so if there's evidence to indicate that. There's nothing immoral about saying so.
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Re #19 (Zenster): As to "acceptable news," at what point does it no longer remain "acceptable" for supposedly professional media outlets to effectively condone and soft-sell terrorism?
Zenster, I think this particular article is entirely acceptable. It doesn't "effectively condone and soft-sell terrorism."
You're getting too angry, and you're ranting. I do it sometimes too, so I'm pointing it out to you for your own good. You're too wound up about all this. Calm down. Go take a walk.
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Yes it's a fine and proper article, and oh so appropriate and reasonable, especially at this time, when the focus should be on the Russians, not on the perpetrators, and as I'm sure the experts have ALL the facts and are oh so knowledgeable about these sorts of things, given their frequency of occurrence, and after all we are such idiots we need to be educated on the finer points of morality, and outbursts of anger over this atrocity are uncalled for.
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#25Yes it's a fine and proper article, and oh so appropriate and reasonable, especially at this time, when the focus should be on the Russians, not on the perpetrators, and as I'm sure the experts have ALL the facts and are oh so knowledgeable about these sorts of things, given their frequency of occurrence, and after all we are such idiots we need to be educated on the finer points of morality, and outbursts of anger over this atrocity are uncalled for.
Permit me, Sir, to stand you a round at the earliest opportunity. It would be a personal pleasure.
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Mike, please indicate how, without the assistance of Islamic terrorists, this atrocity would have occurred solely through Russian incompetence. The article cites Russian incompetence and your own postings seem to regard it as being responsible in some way. Go ahead, make my day and demonstrate for all of us here at Rantburg, and the folks back home, just how the Ruskies f%&ked this one up.
#32
Well, dissin Putty, now that he's begun consolidating the financial assets he needs to reinstitute military and NKVD / KGB power, strikes me as a rather foolish move. Soon enough, he'll restore real power to himself, the rest of Russia be damned. Then, being a Chechy twitter strikes me as a fool's lot. Think he'll tolerate them when he has recreated his iron fist? Lol!
I gave up on the Chechnyan BS with this episode. I'm now firmly in the fry 'em up camp.
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Aris, that there were shortcomings in how Russian authorities handled this crisis nonetheless does not make it appropriate to submit an article painting the responding enforcement body as having any responsibility for the ensuing slaughter. All blame must be pointedly thrust upon the backs of Islamist terrorists or any such reportorial submissions have little or no worth. Please note that I'm doing my best to be polite about the media in this post.
#34
Is there such a thing as morally decrepit?
For some reason, it flashes in my mind whenever Mike and Aris post some of their thingies.
I just can't help it, it is totally involuntary. Anyone knows if there is some sort of remedy?
(Beside not reading RB, that is. That suggestion would not fly. At all.)
Dang nab'it, .com. Stop with the persuasive arguments about why scorched and salted earth is such a good thing!
I'm desperately holding back from advising RasPutin to level every and all Chechnyan structures more than a metre tall. I hate such ideas, but photos showing scores of diminutive little body bags just (as Abe Simpson would put it) "angry up the blood!"
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PS: Mike, when the forces of (as you so politely put it) "whatever" finally include your own daughters being raped or genitally mutilated, will you have something else to say? Or shall it be just another day of "journalistic" business as usual?
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Zarathustra - Lol! Yes, indeed. The axes are ground according to the needs of the individual. Aris is just a 25 yr old kid - training to be an EU Minister methinks - who's so full of himself he comes here for relief. He has always made the mistake of being himself. To the detriment of RB. And he's pure leech to boot. A gutless leech. Mike is just one of the truly weird people who've glommed onto RB. He reminds me of Buchanan - I can't make heads or tails out of his wildly disparate positions.
Zen - There are ends, and then there are ends. Endless is the only option that is actually off the table. The MSM has been despicable beyond even my lowest expectations - and that's saying something, heh. I posted the BBC "Hostage Takers" story because it was simply so outrageous I coudn't resist. I'm afraid the blogosphere, and the Burg O' Rants, is on its own. Putty will rebuild the central authority (what else does he understand?) and if there isn't a bomb designed to do it yet, one will be invented that sews salt - after turning the top 10ft of soil. Possibly a 2-pass operation, but that seems so, um, inefficient.
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I get the feeling that the terrorists were factoring the over-reaction of the Russian special forces into the equation, knowing that they would react the way they did.
(Remember the terrorists in the Die Hard movies?)
The seizure of this school full of happy children, parents and teachers was exactly like our 9/11 in that no-one could plan for it, just like no-one planned for 19 killers to ram planes into our buildings and bring them down.
But to be fair, when I watched the Fox News live coverage of this, I saw no security cordon at all around the school and only saw concerned parents running to the school, not soldiers as "Zarathrustra" maintained.
This created loads of confusion and got a lot more people killed and also allowed some of the IslamoNazi killers to get away in the crowds.
"Frying up" or salting Chechnya won't solve anything.
The people of these lands aren't to blame--it's Putin supporting Iran, Syria, Saddam's Iraq and Saudi Arabia with nukes, weapons and oil deals that are the problem.
What's the terrorists weapon of choice? AK-47s, made in Russia.
And Putin needs to revive some aspects of the old Soviet police state, like (KGB) internal snooping and something akin to our Patriot Act and a lot more border control.
He should have a longer chat with his pal and sometimes ally President George W. Bush.
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The MSM has been despicable beyond even my lowest expectations
By MSM, I am obliged to think you are referring to the "Main Stream Media."
If so, I cannot agree with you more, .com. There are limits and Beslan, plus Mike S's attempt at exonerating them, represent the outer boundaries of such twaddle. You may not like what I think of America's current leadership, but I would hope both of us have had our fill of the media's meek submission to those who would kill murder us all without a backward glance.
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"But to be fair, when I watched the Fox News live coverage of this, I saw no security cordon at all around the school and only saw concerned parents running to the school, not soldiers as "Zarathrustra" maintained."
Think for a moment... Would you allow reporters in a situation like Beslan monitoring your positions, strength and so on, if you were a commander of the forces at the site?
It was clear that terrorists were communicating with outside command structure. It really does not matter that FOX is a US network, you do undertand that, right?
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We're in synch there, Zen. I'd call it complicity, instead of submission, but that's just quibbling. We are truly on our own regards information. I imagine you're not too fond of Fox - but that's the best of the lot, IMHO, and they stumble all over themselves to try to get a spokesfool on for every perceived "position" - inviting people like CAIR's Hooper and others of his ilk. My positions are hardening in reflexive self-defense alone. I would like to be able to say I'm informed and my current conclusions are based upon fair and honest deliberation, but with such information, I know that's not the whole case - and much is based upon discerning the patterns of events - sans the "broader view" spin of BBC, et al. That pattern is very disturbing. I hope CENTCOM follows through with their own media outlet program - it will probably be the least skewed of all. Sigh. We're in a sad and absurd situation, given it's the height of the information age, heh.
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Zara, possibly the killers were in touch with outside command, but given Putin's response (which has been the same every time), it was fairly predictable.
And Fox was using a Russian feed, I think,(as were all the other networks) with Dana Lewis's commentary over it.
Zenster, old boy, you are going to have to change one of 2 things: either the way you "think" about America's "current leadership" (which is bullshit) or the heavy-handed Putin-like way you want the President to deal with Islamist terrorists.
Neither Kerry nor Nader will go after the IslamoNazis--they'll send their boy (probably Joe Wilson or Dennis Ross) to the UN time after time, Kofi will issue a condemnation and that will be that.
Kerry will not be your Rambo and Andrew Sullivan isn't running.
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And Zenster, your pals in the MainStreamMedia are enabling Kerry to win the election as much as they are the Islamist terrorists to get away with literal murder, so think about that, why doncha?
Israel and Russia today signed an agreement to fight terrorism and agreed to explore every possible means to step up intelligence gathering to root out the "global scourge." The bilateral cooperation agreement, the first such measure after the deadly terrorist attack in a school in Russia's southern city of Beslan, was signed between visiting Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his Israeli counterpart Silvan Shalom here.
Both the countries condemned the ghastly attack and pledged to "establish a united front in the battle against terrorism." Lavrov, who is on a day-long visit to the west Asian country, said Israel was the first country to offer help and support in the wake of the terror attack, which has so far claimed over 330 lives, including so many children. The Israeli offer to share intelligence data with Russia would give a boost to the fight against global terror, Lavrov told reporters after signing the joint declaration with Shalom. In a similar vein, Shalom called upon for cooperation "using every diplomatic, economic, intelligence and military means at our disposal. We must establish a united front against the murderers of children".
Emphasising that Israel and Russia share an interest in intensifying bilateral cooperation in this field, Shalom said Israeli institutions and agencies have extended offers to assist in providing medical and other assistance in the wake of the tragedy that hit Russia. It's the "Other Assistance" that'll set the turbans spinning.
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If Israel signs an agreement with Russia, it may also put the Black Turbans of Iran's knickers in a knot. The other side of the coin is that the BTs may give it a pass because they need the Russians for the Bushehr reactor. I am sure Pooty is doing some real soul searching. The multiple Chechen terrorist hits of the last few weeks is sending a message. It will be interesting (and vital) as to what he does about terrorism in his country.
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Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
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Well i certainly feel that it will, if nothing else, give the IDF a timetable in which to plan any actions. Hopefully they will change Putins mind about helping in that arena.
I for one am glad to see those two countries in cooperation, Israel could forseeably help with some of Putins economic problems i.e. defense contracts and the like, to help russian unemployment.
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i think this could have massive implications for the safty of Jihadi scum all across the globeas long as both sides stick to the mission this could be a superb partnership, what will it do for Iranian relations with Moscow, i hope severly cripple them,but yet i have a sneaky suspicion that the Russians will try to remain 'friendly' with the Mullahs due to financial reasons,on the other hand could it open up a whole new dimension to the Iranian atomic program by Israel getting the backing from Russia to flatten the Iranians, i mean America , Israel and Russia all agreeing to flaten Iran is absolutly unstoppable by anyone - even the slimy french or any other Euro Weenies, the Beslen massacre is turning into a Jihadis nightmare!
Posted by: Shep UK ||
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Putin may try to have it both ways, but it is impossible. Events are accelerating. It is all going back to Iran, and when everyone wakes up, to Saudi as the financeer of these dastardly deeds.
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#9How many dollars do the Iranians have?
Bingo, Mrs. Davis.
#11... i have a sneaky suspicion that the Russians will try to remain 'friendly' with the Mullahs due to financial reasons ...
And so long as RasPutin keeps on supporting the Iranian mullahs' quest for nuclear weapons, this is all just lip service. It's time to pull the plug on Iran's nuclear ambitions and that ball is squarely in Russia's court. If they cannot connect the dots between Beslan and Iran, then they only have thousands of more dead children in their future. And RasPutin will have shoulder the blame for it.
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#14I hope that the Russians don't make any alliances with Israel because they too will be committed to fighting and dying in Zionist wars just as the Americans are doing now.
"[F]ighting and dying in Zionist wars" is a thousand times better by far than spending even one femtosecond under Islamist theocracy, or any sort of theocracy, for that matter.
BIG CLUE: UFO, I'm routinely accused of being a troll hereabouts. Notice how none of my posts are sent to the sink trap? Keep a civil tongue in your head and make some sort of salient points with your contributions or feel free to go piss up a rope, emkay? Spouting Islamist claptrap won't cut much ice around here. Just ask Gentle or Antiwar.
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And Boris, just because Russian Jews beat your ass at chess doesn't mean you have to be jealous. Monkeys like you don't have a chance against actual people.
#21
I am satisfied that the necessary alternations will now be made to allow the Iranian reactor to function every bit as well as their airport in Tehran.
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I'd prefer it functioned as well as the reactor in Chernobyl.
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#23
Is Chernobylization a word?
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#24
UF0 the Jooz are coming to get you! Jooz everywhere you turn, coming to get you. The walls all full of Jooz coming to get you...
#30
Gefilte fish? How many garden variety antisemitic bog-people would know about that? I think Boris IS Jew, a serious self-hating type, kinda like Gnome Chumpsky but not as smart, or Barbra Streisand but not as pretty.
#32
We on this board also kill people who threaten our families and neighbors, ie your terrorist buddies, Boris.
Does the Serbian Secret Service know about you throwing in with the Muslims?
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FYI Steven White, I know that you deleted my posts after Fred left the board, and so it has been noted, and will so be publicized and presented to a court of law at the time complaints for treason are filed. And there's a lot more that you'll be held accountable for.
#39
We've got a live one here folks. Maybe he's an area 51 escapee. They do keep UFOs there, don't they?
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#35FYI Steven White, I know that you deleted my posts after Fred left the board, and so it has been noted, and will so be publicized and presented to a court of law at the time complaints for treason are filed. And there's a lot more that you'll be held accountable for.
#41
Come now AC, Moslems are a peaceful people who are manipulated by Zionists like you to suit your goals, just as the Bosnian Moslems were -- visit the Serbian Defense League on the web to see the evidence that will put many of you behind bars for the genocide on Serbs, if not get you hung according to applicable law.
#42
BMN, that Jew used to squirm in his chair from fear like a worm so my wife put a towel on the seat to preserve the cover, and after he'd leave the towel would be so wrinkled my wife would laugh her head off. I must say that the Jew played well, but he was no match for a Slav.
#43
Now that you mention it Mrs. D, that Jew smelled of gefilte fish and my wife used to air out the house after he'd leave -- she said that he reminded her of a jelly fish when he squirmed in his seat.
#44
Tell me Zionists, why couldn't all the problems of this world be discussed among nations and anger released in words as you do on this board? Why don't you show respect for your enemy who is a living, breathing being whose heart beats just like yours? Will the predatory Jew ever assimilate and join the human race instead of inciting hatred for personal gain?
#45
A Russian Jew who used to come over to play chess once in a while told me "Russian people are like children" -- next time he called to see if he could come over I gave him an earful and the SOB never called again.
I hope that the Russians don't make any alliances with Israel because they too will be committed to fighting and dying in Zionist wars just as the Americans are doing now.
#3
did u even read the article Dimwit? i would have but i dont understand the Russian language. It would be better if u didnt shoot ur mouth off unless u know the Facts. But from what i have seen of your posts and website ur just another Dumbass Troll who dosent even understand what he's arguing over.
Btw your Comic of the Serb: As Comic Book guy would say "Gayest Cartoon character ever", nice stuffed shorts...i bet u like that most
#4
No need to "read the article" SC, I replied to the title, but old Fred didn't like the answer. Nevertheless, the implied irony should give adequate insight to the well informed reader.
#9
Valetine, you want him to die? All the tinfoil on his head and around his house, car, bike, bedroom, ect will roast him alive!
In short, buy tinfoil UFO.
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In Sharon's case that should be viewed as 'Admission to Sufficient Facts' that the Mossad was behind the planning of the Beslan massacre -- who else but Israel derives benefits by acts of terrorism that incriminate the Moslems?
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Here we see Nasrallah explaining shit to the gullible press, such as the UNSC is an ?Israeli Trap? and other tripe. The Alien General from Star Wars known for his ability to spot traps after they?re sprung could not be reached for confirmation.
