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What do the Clintons have on Obama?
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2008 08:05 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Contacts. He's the friggin junior Senator from Illinois with only two years in town. Like all the rational people said, he lacks experience, not only in the operation of government, but in who's who. So finding himself so exposed he turns to 'experienced' people. The problem for everyone is that for the last 20 years, its either the Bushs or the Clintons who've been the points of contact or center of gravity inside the Beltway. Hope is not a strategy. Heh.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 12/10/2008 9:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Like LBJ said about J. Edgar Hoover. Rather have them in the tent pissing out then outside pissing in.
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/10/2008 12:32 Comments || Top||

#3  If I were to play it, I would let Nerobama come in and do his thing and let him take the hit. Constantly dogged by bad associations and poor economy he could be wildly unpopular. An impeachment hearing would be even better if the dems take a hit in 2 years. If impeached nobody will vote for Biden, he is a damned idiot. If unpopular incumbant versus a popular opponent then bring up it is time for change and to nominate HRC.

Welcome to the big leagues, where even promising rookie pitchers get cranked by the pro sluggers.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/10/2008 12:47 Comments || Top||


Governor has one choice left: Sing?
by John Kass

Gov. Dead Meat woke early, and even before he could spray on some dry look and meet the day, the boss of the Chicago FBI was on the phone, saying there were federal agents outside waiting to arrest him on corruption charges.

One of those charges was for allegedly trying to sell a seat in the U.S. Senate by the pound, and there were candidates willing to pay the price. His alleged co-schemer was his chief of staff, John Harris, who once worked closely with Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

"I could tell I woke him up," Chicago FBI chief Rob Grant said of his 6 a.m. phone conversation with "The Unreformer" outside the governor's Northwest Side home. "And the first thing he said was, 'Is this a joke?' "

No, it's no joke.

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Posted by: Steve White || 12/10/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Deat Meat"...

Prediction: Blago won't last a month, let alone years. He'll have one of these odd types of suicide, like those people that shot themselves six times in the head.
Posted by: Spike Uniter || 12/10/2008 0:26 Comments || Top||

#2  QUEENSBURY , N.Y. , Dec 04, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- On Monday, December 8, 2008, at 1:30 pm, the We The People Foundation will conduct a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.
The licensed attorneys who initiated lawsuits in PA (Philip Berg), NJ (Leo Donofrio) and CA (Orly Taitz), challenging Mr. Obama's legal eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States , will briefly summarize the facts, legal arguments and status of their cases. They will answer questions from the press.

Prior to the start of the conference, at 10 am, the Supreme Court of the United States is expected to announce whether it will consider applications from these attorneys who have asked the Court to delay the proceedings of the Electoral College pending a determination of the underlying constitutional question - the meaning of the "natural born citizen" clause of Article II of the Constitution and its application to Mr. Obama.

Robert Schulz will briefly discuss Mr. Obama's response to the publication of his Open Letter in the Chicago Tribune on Monday and Wednesday of this week. For the reasons given in the Open Letter, Schulz asked Mr. Obama to: (1) immediately authorize Hawaiian officials to provide a team of forensic scientists access to his original ("vault") birth certificate and (2) arrange for the delivery of other documents needed to conclusively establish Obama's citizenship status. Mr. Schulz will answer questions from the press.

"Under our Constitution, no one is eligible to assume the Office of the President unless he or she is a 'natural born citizen,'" said Bob Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation. "To date, Mr. Obama has refused all requests to release his original birth certificate or other documents that would definitively establish his citizenship status and thus his constitutional eligibility."

The Open Letter to Mr. Obama summarizes the evidence against Mr. Obama and the adverse consequences that would befall the Nation should he assume the Office of the President as a usurper.
"Should the state members of the Electoral College cast their votes for Mr. Obama in the face of such overwhelming evidence, and without verification of Mr. Obama's eligibility, they would be committing treason to the Constitution," said Schulz.
Posted by: An roger515 || 12/10/2008 1:31 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 12/10/2008 3:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Is the governor in the market for a hired confessor? I work at competitive rates and will go anywhere in the US to confess to anything, if the price is right. No foreign requests considered. Gov, don't try to do this alone. Hire a professional confessor to get the job done right.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 12/10/2008 9:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Sing Tony, sing, sing, sing. Alright Rod and Patti, you join Tony on the chorus please, and squarely into the microphone if you would.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2008 9:45 Comments || Top||

#6  "He'll have one of these odd types of suicide, like those people that shot themselves six times in the head."

If I'm correct he'll still be able to vote after that in Illinois?
Posted by: European Conservative || 12/10/2008 15:24 Comments || Top||

#7  "He'll have one of these odd types of suicide, like those people that shot themselves six times in the head."

If I'm correct he'll still be able to vote after that in Illinois?
Posted by: European Conservative || 12/10/2008 15:24 Comments || Top||

#8  Yes. And also in some parts of Indiana.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/10/2008 15:35 Comments || Top||

#9  "He'll have one of these odd types of suicide, like those people that shot themselves in the back of the head six times in the head."

Fixed it for yea. Didn't one of the Clintons associates manage to commit suicide by shooting herself in the back of the head?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/10/2008 15:51 Comments || Top||

#10  as I said yesterday in the Tribune thread, Kass is a gem
Posted by: Frank G || 12/10/2008 19:01 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Sowell on Mumbai, Appeasement and Us
There are no concessions we can make that will buy off hate-filled terrorists. What they want — what they must have for their own self-respect, in a world where they suffer the humiliation of being visibly centuries behind the West in so many ways — is our being brought down in humiliation, including self-humiliation.

Even killing us will not be enough, just as killing Jews was not enough for the Nazis, who first had to subject them to soul-scarring humiliations and dehumanization in their death camps.

This kind of hatred may not be familiar to most Americans but what happened on 9/11 should give us a clue — and a warning.

The people who flew those planes into the World Trade Center buildings could not have been bought off by any concessions, not even the hundreds of billions of dollars we are spending in bailout money today.

They want our soul — and if they are willing to die and we are not, they will get it.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/10/2008 07:27 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


India-Pakistan
Mumbai Terror Group Trained American Jihadists
A growing chorus of intelligence officials in the U.S. and in south Asia have pinned the Mumbai attacks on the Kashmir-based militants Lashkar-e-Taiba. But there's been hardly any mention of the extremist group's deep ties to American-based jihadists.

Since 2003, at least five U.S. citizens have been convicted in federal court of conspiring to provide material support to Lashkar-e-Taiba. At least nine more men, considered to be in the same larger circle, have been convicted of firearms violations and other felonies. (A partial list is here.) Several other cases are still making their way through the legal process.

Islamic extremists in America have used Lashkar-e-Taiba ("LeT") as a "stepping stone" into the broader world of global terror, says Evan Kohlmann, a senior investigator at the NEFA Foundation. With easy-to-access training facilities, English-speaking recruiters, and connections to militants around the world, a Lashkar camp is "the best way for emerging jihadist to get trained."

In April, 2000, for instance, Virginia native Randall Todd Royer (pictured) went to a LeT camp in Kashmir. The place wasn't hard to find, according to an opinion from U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema. Online newsletters gave out the group's phone number and e-mail address, with the assurance that "requests for information about the jihad in Kashmir are welcome." A recruiting center operated openly in Lahore, one of Pakistan's largest cities.

Royer spent a month at the LeT camp, firing AK-47s and other weapons, and going through endurance training. In August, Seifullah Chapman made a similar trip, arranged by Royer, who called it a "straight path" to global jihad. There, Chapman spent thirty days in "weapons training" and "performing military drills."

Then, on September 16, 2001, Royer and several of his would-be militant friends gathered to decide what to do in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. When the meeting broke, Ibrahim al-Hamdi, Yong Ki Kwon, Muhammed Aatique, and Khwaja Mahmood Hasan had all "agreed to go to LeT for training," according to Judge Brinkema. "Each of them had the intent to receive training that would allow him to proceed to Afghanistan and fight on behalf of the Taliban and Mullah Omar against United States troops."

Days later, all four were in the LeT office in Lahore, where they saw posters of a boot trampling the American flag, and the U.S. Capitol in flames. They traveled on to a Lashkar camp, where they fired AK-47s, anti-aircraft guns, and rocket-propelled grenades.

None of them made it to the Afghan fight. But in December 2001, two of the men, Khan and Kwon, were asked "to return to the United States, gather information, and spread propaganda." A year later, Khan was purchasing drone aircraft parts, and gave them to a LeT operative.

Nobody in this Virginia-based circle was about to be confused with Osama Bin Laden. These were newbies with violent intentions, not master terrorists. But Lashkar served as a kind of filter for the broader jihad movement -- sorting out who should stay wannabe, and who should go to the next level. One of the people who was moved up was Australian David Hicks. The group trained him, and then provided him "with a letter of introduction to Al Qaeda in 2000," the L.A. Times notes. Hicks went on to fight for the Taliban regime. "He was released from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, last year after pleading guilty to providing material support for terrorism."

American investigators continue to find domestic links to the Kashmir-based group. In 2007, Mahmud Faruq Brent was convicted of providing material support to LeT, after he admitted to attending one of their training camps. Federal prosecutors in Atlanta are still trying Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee for aiding LeT. They trained the Kashmiri group's camps, and then tried to get other Americans to do the same -- two more strands in Lashkar's network of ties to the United States.

"If you're hard-core about global jihad, you eventually outgrow what Lashkar has to offer -- unless you want to fight India, of course," Kohlmann says. But the group is "still being used by individuals around the world to start their jihad training."
Posted by: john frum || 12/10/2008 16:13 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ION MUMBAI, WAFF.com > CHINA ACCUSES HINDU EXTREMIST GROUP IN MUMBAI ATTACK. Chin PEOPLE'S DAILY Journalist believes MUMBAI attackers were mostly ANGRY + ORHANIZED HINDU YOUTHS???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/10/2008 22:01 Comments || Top||


It is an eyewash
In the wake of 9/11, many moderate Pakistanis had hoped that in the process of ridding Afghanistan of the Taliban, the Americans would also help Pakistan roll back the forces of extremism that were threatening to tear the country apart. Over seven years later, the Taliban are resurgent, and their Pakistani clones have tightened their grip on the country’s jugular.

So what went wrong? First, Iraq diverted the West’s military might and focus. And in Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf’s need for support from Islamic groups gave extremists political space as well as protection. Since the rigged elections of 2002 until recently, mutations of the Wahabi/Salafi Islamic militias have become stronger and better organised in the tribal areas.

Financed largely by Pakistani and Gulf businessmen, these groups trained their volunteers – largely drawn from Pakistan’s mushrooming madrasas – in bomb-making, as well as other ways of creating mayhem.

A number of hard-line Islamists drawn from the ranks of retired army and intelligence agency officers served as trainers, and the graduates of this Terror Academy became increasingly active in the region. But Pakistan was the biggest victim of this campaign, with over 50 suicide attacks claiming nearly a thousand lives (including that of Benazir Bhutto) last year alone.

This, then, was the situation Asif Zardari inherited when he was elected President. Always suspect in the eyes of the army for being a Sindhi, as well as a member of the PPP who was married to a Bhutto, his grip on power is tenuous at best. The reality of the power equation in Pakistan is that the army is the most organised and powerful party around. And although the present military leadership would prefer to stay out of the limelight after nine years of Musharraf’s high-profile rule, it still calls the shots where Pakistan’s regional policy is concerned.

In at least two recent episodes, the generals have shown the political leadership exactly where power resides. When the government announced a couple of months ago that the ISI would henceforth report to the Interior Ministry, it took barely six hours for this notification to be withdrawn.

More recently, when Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani announced that General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the Director General of the ISI, would go to India to help in the investigations of the November 26 Mumbai attacks, he was forced to retract his offer within hours.

Given this reality, it is difficult to see how terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed can be reined in. Both have received official blessings and support in the past. Even if formal links with the ISI have been severed, training camps are difficult to shut down permanently, given the sympathy these groups enjoy in sections of the military, the police and the judiciary.

Since Zia’s poisonous rule in the 80s, extremism has seeped into every level of the bureaucracy. Many Pakistanis are in denial about the extent to which their country has been infected by this plague. Under these circumstances, the arrest of an individual like Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, a commander in the LeT, is meaningless. In the past, too, top terror suspects like Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Mohammed and Hafiz Saeed of the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba have been scooped up in the wake of terrorist outrages, only to be released a few weeks later.

One major reason the army is unwilling to completely sever its links with extremists is that it fears an alliance between India and Afghanistan that would see Pakistan encircled. Having an army of proxy warriors is an insurance policy military planners are reluctant to surrender.

Years ago, a general said to a colleague: “By supporting the mujahideen in Kashmir, we have tied down at least four Indian divisions there. What could be a more cost effective strategy?” Now, this same strategy has come to haunt Pakistan and the region.
Posted by: john frum || 12/10/2008 05:30 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "By supporting the mujahideen in Kashmir, we have tied down at least four Indian divisions there.

You have brought four divisions of Indian army to your border and you think that is clever?
Geesh!
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 12/10/2008 7:44 Comments || Top||

#2  That sort of military genius explains their successes on the battlefield, doesn't it?
Posted by: Fred || 12/10/2008 9:10 Comments || Top||

#3  The next genius trick is to tie down loads of Indian divisions in pakiland itself.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/10/2008 9:51 Comments || Top||

#4  First, Iraq diverted the West's military might and focus.

Right.

And Shinseki was fired because of his clumsy and unrealistic Iraq occupation plans.

And the Army is broken.

And .......

There really hasn't been much of a debate these last 7 or so years. There's one camp living mostly in a make-believe world, so arguing analysis or conclusions with them has forever to be put on hold while factual premises are straightened out. I've noticed this in the (few) personal discussions I've been willing to even enter on these topics with folks who parrot Beltway/MSM nonsense.
Posted by: Verlaine || 12/10/2008 12:32 Comments || Top||

#5  my thoughts, indeed, Verlaine

So what went wrong? First, Iraq diverted the West’s military might and focus.


there was no real problem once the Talibs had their ass kicked out of Afghanistan, until Pakis/ISI decided to "great game" us by allowing them to rearm, reconfigure, and re-establish across the border.

Joe Six-Pakistanis will suffer for allowing this shit to go on, but, hey, they believe in martyrdom, so, on a national scale, that's gotta be a good thing, right?
Posted by: Frank G || 12/10/2008 19:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again
Even some of the lefties aren't buying his bullshit anymore...
It couldn't have been easy for Bill Ayers to keep quiet while the McCain campaign tarred him as the Obama's best friend, the terrorist. Unfortunately, the silence was too good to last. On Saturday's New York Times op-ed page, he announced that "it's finally time to tell my true story." Like his memoir, Fugitive Days , "The Real Bill Ayers" is a sentimentalized, self-justifying whitewash of his role in the weirdo violent fringe of the 1960s-70s antiwar left.

Posted by: tu3031 || 12/10/2008 11:34 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The comments are as interesting than Pollit's article. Equivocators, the lot of them.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/10/2008 15:28 Comments || Top||

#2  these people are idiots, thank God they don't often breed. The author calls McCain a war criminal, totally skips over his 5yrs in the hilton. Stupid bitch.
Posted by: Hupeper aka Broadhead6 || 12/10/2008 20:54 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
US faces deep problems, OECD says
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2008 01:28 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The bear may be fast, but I know for sure that there are many others in this world who are slower than us!
Posted by: Procopius2k || 12/10/2008 8:35 Comments || Top||

#2  ION INTERNATIONAL CRISIS , WAFF > GREEK FIGHTING: THE EUROZONE'S WEAKEST LINK STARTS TO CRACK; + GREECE's OUTSTANDING DEBT WILL BALLOON UP TO 238.0BILYUHN EUROS OR 91% OF NATION'S GDP; + 3000 HELLENIC CITIZENS ATTACK ANARCHISTS AND COMMUNISTS IN PATRA AND LARISSA.

Major-Capital Cities in FRANCE, NETHERLANDS, + BELGIUM at risk of econ-motifed violence as Eurozone dips deeper into deep recession in 2009???

ALso from WAFF > THE WAR IN THE YUNANISTAN [Turkey] + TURKISH MUSLIMS CHALLENGE THE SECULAR REGIME.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/10/2008 22:34 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Balls and brains
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2008 00:10 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ms Arden found 425 cases where samples had been collected and analysed from unvasectomised men who had managed to avoid spilling their seed during the collection process

???! How does that work? Are those the guys who didn't tell her any good jokes during the "collection process"?
Posted by: gorb || 12/10/2008 2:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Invalid experimental design. The intelligent ones were able to follow instructions and didn't miss the bottle.
Posted by: KBK || 12/10/2008 10:41 Comments || Top||

#3  In the movie "The right stuff", future astronauts are asked to give a sample of their sperm and while other candidates conjure erotic fantasies in order to err... provide, John Glenn instead hums US Marine hymn for stimulation.
Posted by: JFM || 12/10/2008 10:57 Comments || Top||

#4  What a load of BS. I could only DREAM of a day that STUPID people have a genetic inability to PROCREATE!
Posted by: logi_cal || 12/10/2008 11:01 Comments || Top||



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  Hamid Gul to be 'declared terrorist'
Tue 2008-12-09
  Masood Azhar confined to his headquarters
Mon 2008-12-08
  Paks torch 160 NATO supply trucks
Sun 2008-12-07
  Al-Shabaab set up regional administration
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  Italy: Police arrest two Moroccan terrs
Wed 2008-12-03
  Abu Qatada back in jug
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  Zardari sez not to do anything rash
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