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Egypt: beginning of discussions between government and Muslim Brotherhood
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Africa North
Islamist sights set on Cairo
By Amir Taheri
Posted by: ryuge || 02/07/2011 03:14 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Such a takeover would be bad.
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2011 8:37 Comments || Top||


The Incredible Lightness of Obama
This week saw a showdown between the man whose most significant achievement before 2008 was that he very nearly got the asbestos removed from the Altgeld Gardens tenements in Chicago and the third-longest-ruling head of Egypt since the Pharaoh Ramses, whose reign lasted 67 years. The Egyptian, an 82-year-old with terminal cancer, easily bested the community organizer, the man elected by people who quite clearly confused the last presidential election with an American idol contest. While many who elected the American president probably do not yet realize it, it is lucky for them that he lost the showdown, for had he not, the results would have created worldwide havoc and devastation.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/07/2011 02:57 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A readable piece.
Posted by: Skidmark || 02/07/2011 7:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Good sum-up of the current failings and failures of Obama's administration. 2012 seems very far away.
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2011 8:32 Comments || Top||

#3  the almost-hero of Altgeld Gardens

That's going to leave a mark...
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/07/2011 8:37 Comments || Top||

#4  the man elected by people who quite clearly confused the last presidential election with an American idol contest

That's going to leave a mark, too. Hopefully the people realize it.
Posted by: gorb || 02/07/2011 11:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Ooof.

I find it..optimistic to say Mubarak is/will continue to be what was called a close ally. I know the Europeans were calling for transition but not with the tone (IIUC) Obama & co. were; how could Mubarak work with O&Co. without thinking there is some move behind it. Seems to me that Israel and S.A. were the only ones who were actively supporting Mubarak/controlled transition/stability. Mo Public, and I understand the grievances, IMHO would have suffered greatly. It takes a while from purchase to delivery then distribution, banks closed, chaos in the government, no security at the street level, and no choice in installed government.

I also agree that if O&Co. had succeeded as they wanted the whole area would have gone kaput quickly. As TW noted the other day, it appears Beredai was selected on account of name recognition and peace prize, UN status creditials but now that it isn't a sure thing he is not so interested...meaning he just wanted the position not the work. He would have been just a figurehead nobody would have listened to except the media. Hopefully in a couple weeks y'all can point and laugh at what I thought would happen with a coup which succeeded in removing the Egypt gov but could not put together a gov of their own...the most likely scenario in my mind had Mubarak been chased out or worse. Argue with me please, but how would a new gov be inserted quickly and be effective without some sort of purge of previous gov and military? Who was going to oversee, if anyone, a purge if it did happen? What is the acceptable risk of transit through the Suez Canal and timeline by international community to get the thing open (that is not a self centered question, Egypt must have a stable port and maritime transit for the stability, both actual and perceived, to give them the best chance of growing a more fruitful government)?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 02/07/2011 11:37 Comments || Top||

#6  The notion put forward by the pollyannas and the MSM that if somehow Mubarak left that Egypt would move towards democracy is laughable. That O and company entertained that shows how out of touch they are.

That O would consider working with and kissing up the Muslim Brotherhood shows the inner workings of his true character.

The only way -- ONLY WAY -- for Egypt to move towards some form of stable, prosperous democracy is to have a Chile decade. Or a South Korea decade. That means some form of authoritarian government that whacks the evil-doers (be they communists or islamicists) and otherwise keeps but a light foot on the neck of the people. That authoritarian government's chief virtue is that it listens to the right economists, as Pinochet listened to Friedman, and allow the country to move towards prosperity. Markets. Economic rule of law that makes sense and protects merchants from large to very small. Labor laws that let people work and protect them from the worst abuses. Public investment into infrastructure that matters. Protection of minorities. Protection of women. Getting children out of work and into schools.

Over time, the country would build a middle class, empower institutions that promote stability, and provide mechanisms for popular, broad-based political parties to exist out in the open.

The reward of the authoritarian government's leaders would be to be chased from office someday and put into 'human rights' trials, or something like that.

Which is why Mubarak, and Suleiman after him, are no Pinochets.

I hate to think that I'd advocate authoritarianism for even a day. It's abhorrent to what we believe as Americans. I don't see Egypt turning to representative, parliamentary, stable democracy overnight. I see Egypt turning to chaos and then to the Muslim Brotherhood, and thence to evil.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/07/2011 12:23 Comments || Top||

#7  He's fast pissing away the last advantages (on all fronts) that the USA had over others after WW-II.
Posted by: Water Modem || 02/07/2011 12:48 Comments || Top||

#8  He's fast pissing away the last advantages...

As Designed.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/07/2011 14:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Brave Sir Robin: "Who nearly stood up to the Chicken of Bristol..."
Posted by: mojo || 02/07/2011 15:00 Comments || Top||

#10  I don't care much for Gordon Brown or his collection of DVDs, but any man who has the mental slack time to upstage another man in the way he did, doesn't have the right to call himself mature or adult.
And 'that' is the US president? Oh lord.
Posted by: kojack || 02/07/2011 20:38 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Who will defend the Christians of the Middle East?
Posted by: ryuge || 02/07/2011 13:44 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gee, that sounds familiar, oh yeah, Deus Vult.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/07/2011 13:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Anyone bothering to click through the link will see little connection between the article urging a return to a firm US dipomatic and cultural stance on adherence to freedom of religion, and Pocopius' knee-jerk reaction to the thought of (horrors!) defending Christians as a revival of the Crusades. His reaction only confirms that hostility to Christianity and Christians isn't limited to Islamic countries.
Posted by: Ptah || 02/07/2011 14:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Someone help me out here. I was just reading about the Treaty of Antioch where the Christians of the the Near East peacefully gave up control of Jerusalem and the rest of the holy sites to the Caliph of Baghdad. Why would we ever fight or 'crusade' to take back what was so willingly given up. Shame on those Christians to want back what was theirs or to think of fighting to keep it. Too bad you only have two cheeks to turn unless of course you do it over and over again. Oh, by the way 2K, George W was right when he called for a crusade, sadly he pulled that punch way to early. Deus vult to their allah akbar.
Posted by: Total War || 02/07/2011 16:06 Comments || Top||

#4  His reaction only confirms that hostility to Christianity...

Not being Catholic, but if Benedict did call for it once again, I might have to seriously think about taking vows.

The Crusades were in response to the conquests and deprivations of the Islamics and their jihad which had been barely turned away at Tours and would break once again before the gates of Vienna. Unlike the cultural traitors within, I see Western Civilization having delivered to the vast population of the world better living and longer life through the fruits of science and technology, only possible by the freedoms and liberties it practices. It's not perfect, but the real record shows its exceeded the others by far.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/07/2011 16:19 Comments || Top||

#5  The Kurds are. Large numbers of Iraqi christians have moved to Kurdistan.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/07/2011 19:22 Comments || Top||

#6  They say that the Southern Sudan is a separate country these days...
Posted by: Secret Master || 02/07/2011 22:17 Comments || Top||

#7  And don't forget Proc that those Western freedom and liberties stem from the good-ole Judeo-Christian roots and culture.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/07/2011 23:03 Comments || Top||



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Two weeks of WOT
Mon 2011-02-07
  Egypt: beginning of discussions between government and Muslim Brotherhood
Sun 2011-02-06
  Mubarak resigns as ruling party head
Sat 2011-02-05
  U.S. envoy to Egypt: Mubarak 'must stay' for now
Fri 2011-02-04
  Egypt PM Apologizes for Tahrir Square Clashes, Vows Probe
Thu 2011-02-03
  Mubarak's snipers flee Cairo square
Wed 2011-02-02
  Chaos in Cairo as Mubarak backers, opponents clash
Tue 2011-02-01
  Student beaten to death in Khartoum clashes
Mon 2011-01-31
  Military moves to take control of parts of Cairo
Sun 2011-01-30
  Mubarak names VP, raising succession talk
Sat 2011-01-29
  Saleh Accuses Al-Jazeera Channel of Serving Zionist and Terrorist Groups
Fri 2011-01-28
  At least 1,000 arrested in Egypt protests
Thu 2011-01-27
  Tunisia issues arrest warrant for ousted president Ben Ali
Wed 2011-01-26
  Three dead in Egypt protests
Tue 2011-01-25
  Egypt protesters clash with police
Mon 2011-01-24
  Bomb explodes in Moscow Domodedovo airport (DME), double digit fatalities


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