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Arabia
The Wobbbly Kingdom
Posted by: Howard UK || 07/20/2004 08:20 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jedawel: When I lived there, it was owned by King Fat-Head's youngest son, who is now minister-without-portfolio.

Saudi F-15 mechanics? In the day F-15's were in Taif (west), Khamis Mushayt (Southwest) and Dhaharan (east). Does this mean RSAF has repositioned its aircraft?

General drift of article is that, while the Magic Kingdom was always weird, confusing, and superficial, if one knew the right people, one could have a great time. Present situation reminds me of a Who song, "The Good's Gone" Too many immams trained at the Jihad university, Imam Mohamed bin somebody University. Always was a center for strict Wahibists who, in the good days, just drove around and made themselves nuisances as the Religious Police; the more active ones went to Bosnia, Chechnya, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Today they've traded in their sticks for plastique and machine guns. The roosters have come home to roost.
Posted by: Michael || 07/20/2004 13:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Some amusing posts on Imam Saud University.
Posted by: someone || 07/20/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
OSC: Anti-Americanism in Korea
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 07/20/2004 00:21 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Orson Scott Card is so misinformed it's not even funny. First, he doesn't know enough about Koreans to not start insulting North Korea in front of South Koreans by quoting Chinese jokes about them. (The Chinese think of Korea as the lost province - stolen from China by Japanese invaders)*. And then he claims that South Koreans really sympathize with their northern brethren. In reality, South Koreans have about as much sympathy for North Korea as the Chinese have for the Taiwanese - all they want is the land. This is why South Koreans don't agitate for the repatriation to South Korea of North Korean refugees in China. And once the North Korean exiles show up in South Korea, they are spat upon by the South Koreans for leaving the socialist paradise up north. A number of North Koreans have actually changed course and tried applying for asylum in the US instead.

* The Chinese view is a maximalist one - anything that China has ever ruled over should, in time, be recovered for the motherland.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Zhang, You keep it up. Rantburg U!
Posted by: Lucky || 07/20/2004 1:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Aris, in my experience, Card is accurate in his charecterization of the veneration that the black community feels towards the NAACP, but from a strategy standpoint Bush gains nothing by continuing to empower the NAACP. He has done an excellent job in reaching out to union members without wasting his time trying to curry favor with recalcitrant idealogues. The NAACP has rejected it's roots in the Niagara Movement. Black America is in the midst of taking some powerful strides away from the NACCP agenda. IMO it would be gross mistake to grant the NAACP continued validity at teh very time that the black community is awakening.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/20/2004 1:34 Comments || Top||

#4  The Chinese view sounds just like the Mooslim view.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian || 07/20/2004 7:55 Comments || Top||

#5  "First, he doesn't know enough about Koreans to not start insulting North Korea in front of South Koreans by quoting Chinese jokes about them."

>actually, Card didn't do that. That was a story related to him by a politician who was there.
Posted by: Jarhead || 07/20/2004 7:59 Comments || Top||

#6  The Chinese view sounds just like the Mooslim view.

It's the imperialist view -- not specifically Muslim *or* Chinese.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 07/20/2004 8:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Jarhead: actually, Card didn't do that. That was a story related to him by a politician who was there.

Doesn't change my point, which is that he doesn't know enough about Korea to make judgements about either North or South Korea. His use of that politician's anecdote shows that he knows even less than the guy he quoted. And that's saying a lot, given my relative ignorance about Korea - pretty much late 19th century onwards, in addition to snippets about periodic Chinese, Mongol, Japanese, Manchurian and other (nations since absorbed into the Chinese empire) invasions.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 9:46 Comments || Top||

#8  Zhangs right about them not caring. They want the Norths resources (Cheap labor/raw materials) but they don't want their financial burden and food problem. That is why the major South Korean companies opened up factories in the North. I am not sure how many people are employed in these factories, but they are immune from labor and environmetal laws in the South.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/20/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#9  I think you are a bit hard on Card over Korea. True he bases everything on one politicians anecdote and data but most journalists do that, or less than that. His basic point is still solid, that there is no single base for anti-Americanism, every case is different.

I think a few of the younger Koreans would probably agree with Aris in that the US supported dictatorship a lot longer than they found acceptable. The older folks in Korea saw the true threat, how Syngman Rhee buit the poor agro South Korea into a wealthy industrial giant, and are more accomidating to the reality on the ground. The younger only saw the dictatorship.

I think Card is partially right on the NAACP thing. My gut says ignoring them was right, but I would have liked to see Bush deliver the speech scrappleface wrote.
Posted by: yank || 07/20/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#10  yank: I think a few of the younger Koreans would probably agree with Aris in that the US supported dictatorship a lot longer than they found acceptable.

Actually, they wouldn't - you're projecting your reasonable American viewpoints onto them. The reigning view among actual Koreans used to be that the US is merely one of the powers conspiring to keep Korea divided. Today, the view is that the US is the Great Satan trying to keep Korea down. This view is not particularly unique - it's actually quite similar to Chinese views about America. Koreans are now looking (irrationally) to their yellow neighbors to the west as being better friends than America, ignoring the fact that without Chinese intervention, the Korean peninsula would today be a prosperous unified state.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#11  doesnt the current Skor lefty view seem rather redolant of the West German Greens in the '80s? "We want reunification, and are happy to offer neutralism to get it, and its only Reagan and the Americans who are standing in the way" - which of course was not really true, and ended not really being relevant.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 07/20/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#12  Earlier: Koreans are now looking (irrationally) to their yellow neighbors to the west as being better friends than America, ignoring the fact that without Chinese intervention, the Korean peninsula would today be a prosperous unified state.

And the reason for this is undiluted racialism - Koreans cannot conceive of good American intentions because (most) Americans don't have yellow skin. Chinese are viewed to be inherently more friendly towards Korean interests because they have yellow skins like the Koreans.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#13  LH: doesnt the current Skor lefty view seem rather redolant of the West German Greens in the '80s?

It's actually quite different. In Korea, blood and soil have a lot to do with it - something that the Germans got over after WWII.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#14  You make a good point Zhang Fei and I'll concede to your obviously greater knowledge on the penninsula.

The way I imagine Korean unification it can happen in one of two ways. Either through war or through peaceful means (South ends up paying to rebuild North). Either way it'll be painful and the South will be taken out of world picture for a decade or three.

Either way its better to let them handle their future on their own. I'm happy our troops are moving out.
Posted by: yank || 07/20/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#15  ZF: In Korea, blood and soil have a lot to do with it - something that the Germans got over after WWII.

By way of explanation, blood and soil is shorthand for the kinds of racialist views prominent among the Axis powers during WWII.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||


Europe
EU orders France Telecom to pay up to $1.37 billion in taxes owed due to French govt subsidies
Posted by: rkb || 07/20/2004 12:33 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Athens Readies Airship for Terror Patrol
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 07/20/2004 11:03 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice to have friends in high places. A little lend lease action, no.

Athens made a deal and got what it needed.

Title should read, Athens borrows airship so it can have its cake!
Posted by: Lucky || 07/20/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Up, up, and away in my beautiful balloon. . . .

As to the security cameras?????

Seriously, now Athens has a cash cow for revenue when the olympics conclude. They can now use the cameras to catch people running red lights at intersections, and mail the tickets out just like we do here in Southern California. Why should we have all the fun?
Posted by: BigEd || 07/20/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Actually, if the airship proves effective, the Greeks plan to deploy their chariots and a pike square.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/20/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

#4  #2 actually it is very easy to get out of those tickets...
1.if they are black and white pictures they cannot hold up in court...

2.if the picture is colour but the driver is obscured you can get out of it..
so when you speed through those lights remember to have your sun visor down to obscure you face...if the city cannot prove it was you behind the wheel the ticket is canceled...

Posted by: Dan || 07/20/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#5  OT:
Lucky jeez were you ever correct about Ulrich and the GC..... he's looking like a dray horse. And now my man Herras go boom! Iban Mayo boom!
Posted by: Shipman || 07/20/2004 22:12 Comments || Top||

#6  "One RPG. One airship!" It's in the Koran if you know where to look...
Posted by: borgboy || 07/20/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||


50% of France's prison population are members of the RoP
EFL - first part of this is a story about some converts to the RoP.
....Militant converts come to Islam in several ways, most notably through contact with militant Muslims while serving time in Europe's prisons, where the Islamic population has skyrocketed. Richard C. Reid, the so-called shoe bomber from Britain, converted to Islam in prison. France's prison population is more than 50 percent Muslim. Another door to Islam is the Tablighi Jamaat... Several well-known Western converts are Tablighi Jamaat alumni, including John Walker Lindh...
Posted by: mhw || 07/20/2004 11:24:21 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Some background on Tablighi Jamaat.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 07/20/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Clinton Adviser Probed for Taking Classified Terror Memos
EFL:
Sandy Berger, former President Clinton's national security adviser, is under criminal investigation by the Justice Department after highly classified terrorism documents disappeared while he was reviewing what should be turned over to the Sept. 11 commission. Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI agents armed with warrants after the former Clinton adviser voluntarily returned some sensitive documents to the National Archives and admitted he also removed handwritten notes he had made while reviewing the sensitive documents. However, some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing, officials and lawyers told The Associated Press.
A Clinton advisor accused of hiding documents? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
Berger served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of the president's second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"Sandy, can ya'll go through those papers and make sure that there's nothing in there that could hurt my legacy?"
The FBI searches of Berger's home and office occurred after National Archives employees told agents they believed they witnessed Berger place documents in his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers and that some documents were then noticed missing, officials said. When asked, Berger said he returned some classified documents that he found in his office and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report.
Fancy that
"In the course of reviewing over several days thousands of pages of documents on behalf of the Clinton administration in connection with requests by the Sept. 11 commission, I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives," Berger said. "When I was informed by the Archives that there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few documents that I apparently had accidentally shredded and burned discarded," he said.
Posted by: Steve || 07/20/2004 9:33:18 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More importantly, Berger appears to have taken multiple copies of the same document on multiple occasions:

Breuer said the Archives staff first raised concerns with Berger during an Oct. 2 review of documents that at least one copy of the post-millennium report he had reviewed earlier was missing. Berger was given a second copy that day, Breuer said.

Officials familiar with the investigation said Archive staff specially marked the documents and when the new copy and others disappeared, Archive officials called Clinton attorney Bruce Lindsey to raise concerns.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040720/ap_on_re_us/sept__11_berger_probe
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/20/2004 10:01 Comments || Top||

#2  I have to wonder what the guy's motivation is for doing this. Common sense says that the Nat'l Archives probably releases copies instead of the originals, so there's no way he'd be able to swipe docs to cover up anything he did that would be revealed as less than flattering.

Officials familiar with the investigation said Archive staff specially marked the documents and when the new copy and others disappeared, Archive officials called Clinton attorney Bruce Lindsey to raise concerns.

Strange how they would be calling this guy. Just what does Lindsey have to do with Berger's actions?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/20/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Just what does Lindsey have to do with Berger's actions?

You have to alert the consiglieri anytime your actions put the Godfather at risk. SOP for the Arkansas mafia.
Posted by: Steve || 07/20/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Why Lindsey? Because it's common knowledge inside the Beltway that Lindsey is the guy you call regarding unfolding Clintonian scandals?
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 07/20/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#5  This is truly the only time that anyone has ever asked "What does Sandy Berger have in his pants?"
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/20/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#6  he "inadvertently" put them in his SOCKS? JEEBUS! How do you explain that, Sandy?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Nail on the head, Chuck.

BTW, How did Joe Wilson do on McNeal/Lehrer last night?

When will Joe make the Sunday morning shows? When will Sandy?
Posted by: Michael || 07/20/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||

#8  I'll tell you what......democrats are sorry motherfuckers. All of them are thieves and liars. Hmmm......that's just like another group of people I know of......FILTHY FUCKING muslims.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 07/20/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#9  he "inadvertently" put them in his SOCKS? JEEBUS! How do you explain that, Sandy?

It all started with an innocent game of "sock puppet theater"...
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/20/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#10  I'm finding all this to be just terribly traumatic. Reading about this lying, chubby-cheeked shitweasel stuffing documents into his socks to keep Slick Willie from looking bad, brings back hideous memories of when that gang of incompetent fuckheads was in charge of our country.

Thank God they're not, anymore.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/20/2004 14:55 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm really going to be annoyed if all of this winds up with me having to look at a picture of Sandy Berger with his pants down.
Posted by: Matt || 07/20/2004 21:20 Comments || Top||

#12  TrouserGate, lol! Only a Clintoonian...
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 21:36 Comments || Top||

#13  just think of Donna Shalala, Janet Reno, and Madeleine Albright playing crisco twister and it doesn't seem that bad, does it?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 21:37 Comments || Top||

#14  Amen, Dave D. and Halfass Pete!

Dotcom, does Socksgate work better?
LOL on this thread.
Posted by: Jen || 07/20/2004 21:38 Comments || Top||

#15  did a post, but it got caught in server limbo:

Drudge: CLINTON SAYS BERGER-DOCUMENTS FUROR IS JUST POLITICS: 'WE WERE ALL LAUGHING ABOUT IT'


pretty much sez it all about the seriousness of the Clnton admin and Dems in general, doesn't it?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||

#16  My (mind's) eyes! Gaaaak! Crisco... hmmmmmm. petroleum product... oil... Haliburton? A Setup?


Mmmmmm... GelManix, however...
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||

#17  #16 in ref to #13, lol! Rantburg flood!
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 21:43 Comments || Top||

#18  Frank, what scum they are!
Particularly considering that the papers Sandy Burglar stole probably show that Clintoon knew about OBL and maybe even the 9/11 attacks!
What did Clinton know and when did he know it????
The American People wanna know!!
Posted by: Jen || 07/20/2004 22:02 Comments || Top||

#19  Really, Frank (#13), I had a good day going here, and now you've gone and ruined it.
Posted by: Matt || 07/20/2004 22:03 Comments || Top||

#20  LOL - erase visual! my bad....
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 22:05 Comments || Top||

#21  From a Tim Blair poster:

"I did not have socks with that document!"
Posted by: Matt || 07/20/2004 22:13 Comments || Top||


Lieberman, Kyl, et al. to revive Committee on the Present Danger
Posted by: someone || 07/20/2004 01:40 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good luck guys. Be prepared for vilification from the left. Be prepared to be called bigots. Be prepared to be laughed at by the big media.
Posted by: mhw || 07/20/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#2  "Its mission statement, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Sun, commits its 43 members to “resisting and defeating terrorist organizations, ending collusion between rogue regimes and terrorists, and supporting reform in regions that threaten to export terror.”

That's going to be one hefty list of rogue regimes and regions, but it's a very worthwhile endeavor. But what kind of leverage will they use to affect change...

Posted by: jules 187 || 07/20/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Is this the rebirth of the "Scoop Jackson" Democrats?

The more I see of Leiberman (when he gets away from the DNC handlers), the more I like the guy - he is principled, and sees the world very clearly for the most part. He's the only Democrat candidate that I woudl have considered voting for.

Which is why the Dems ran him out of the presidential contest.

Someone ought to invite Joe to switch parties before they run him out. Maybe a trade: Lieberman for Chafee (A RINO).
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/20/2004 22:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Not sure I like the word "Committee" in a quasi-governmental name. Reminds me of C.Ree.P
Posted by: ed || 07/20/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#5  "resisting and defeating terrorist organizations, ending collusion between rogue regimes and terrorists, and supporting reform in regions that threaten to export terror.”

sounds like Leiberman's finally turned on the DNC. Good for him
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 22:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Robespierre flashback, anyone? Name sounds like something out of the French Revolution. (Robespierre was alright in my book...borgboy.)
Posted by: borgboy || 07/20/2004 22:52 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Terror in Skies: Muslim Man Recounts 4 Hours of Fear
From Scrappleface:
(2004-07-17) -- A harrowing story of one man's experience with "terror in the skies" reached a global audience this week, as web surfers and bloggers circulated it, commented on it and challenged its authenticity.

The first-person account starts before the unnamed man and 13 of his friends boarded Northwest Airlines flight #327, bound from Detroit the Los Angeles, on June 29.

"We were just going about our business during the flight," said the man who was born in an unnamed, predominantly Muslim country. "You know, we were just reading the Koran aloud, carrying objects about the cabin and gathering near the restrooms to chat in our native tongues about the ultimate peace we'll find in Allah. Suddenly, I noticed this white woman staring at me. It really freaked me out. It made me and my friends so nervous that we had to use the restroom more, and of course take our digital cameras and other objects in there with us."

The anonymous victim said he began to receive unwanted attention from the flight crew, and saw people passing notes to each other and exchanging glances.

"My legs were like rubber," he said. "I don't know how we endured four hours of this kind of fear. Me and my whole cell group--you know, my friends--finally understood how the great martyr Mohammed Atta must have felt during his final hours."

The unnamed man said his only comfort came from knowing that he had "official permission from the U.S. Transportation Security Administration to be aboard that plane. I knew that they respect our religion and were protecting us."
Ya know, I thought this was funny right up until the last paragraph.......
Posted by: Mercutio || 07/20/2004 3:18:12 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You wanna fix the broken link in the title?
Posted by: gromky || 07/20/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||


Clinton Adviser Probed Over Terror Memos
By John Solomon, Associated Press.
EFL.
Sandy Berger, former President Clinton's national security adviser, is under criminal investigation by the Justice Department after highly classified terrorism documents disappeared while he was reviewing what should be turned over to the Sept. 11 commission. Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI agents armed with warrants after the former Clinton adviser voluntarily returned some sensitive documents to the National Archives and admitted he also removed handwritten notes he had made while reviewing the sensitive documents. . . . Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket and pants, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio. . . . Berger served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of the president's second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The FBI searches of Berger's home and office occurred after National Archives employees told agents they believed they witnessed Berger place documents in his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers and that some documents were then noticed missing, officials said. When asked, Berger said he returned some classified documents that he found in his office and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report. "In the course of reviewing over several days thousands of pages of documents on behalf of the Clinton administration in connection with requests by the Sept. 11 commission, I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives," Berger said.
"I have this real bad habit of stuffing things in my trousers without thinking."
"When I was informed by the Archives that the jig was up there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few incriminating documents that I apparently had accidentally on purpose discarded," he said. . . . The officials said the missing documents were highly classified, and included critical assessments about the Clinton administration's handling of the millennium terror threats as well as identification of America's terror vulnerabilities at airports to sea ports. David Gergen, who was a spin doctor an adviser to Clinton and worked with Berger for a time in the White House, said Tuesday, "I think it's more innocent than it looks."
"Quick! Cover his you-know-what."
Appearing on NBC's "Today" show, Gergen said, "I have known Sandy Berger for a long time. He would never do anything to compromise the security of Bill Clinton the United States."
And now, for the counterstroke:
Gergen said he thought that "it is suspicious" that word of the investigation of Berger would emerge just as the Sept. 11 commission is about to release its report, since "this investigation started months ago." . . .
"It's a vast right-wing conspiracy, I tells ya!"

A bunch of comments on this one:

1. It's possible, when reviewing a pile of papers, to be bone-headed and put something in the wrong file jacket, or gather up something inadvertently when loading your briefcase. Stuffing things in your trousers is, however, not a bone-headed mistake.

2. This is the same Sandy Berger who told Clinton not to accept Sudan's offer to turn over Osama bin Laden to us back in 1996. The Vodkapundit reflects on this:

What bothers me — and what should bother you — is that the man who was too concerned with the law to get Osama when he had the chance, was rather cavalier about the law when it came to shoving classified items down his 46-inch waistband. Sandy Berger covered his ass, quite literally, with the papers which, just might, show how he inadvertently helped Osama bin Laden murder the asses of 3,000 of Berger's fellow Americans.

3. If Condi Rice or Donald Rumsfeld had bone-headedly mishandled classified 9/11 commission documents, would the mainstream press perhaps be a little harsher on them than it is (so far) being on Sandy Berger?
Posted by: Mike || 07/20/2004 8:47:05 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The headline should read:

Kerry Adviser Probed Over Terror Memos

He is afetrall Kerry's FP advisor.

Read: "In a conference call with reporters before the speech, Kerry foreign policy advisor Samuel R. 'Sandy' Berger said those remarks were not meant to embrace Bush's doctrine of launching preemptive attacks against states the U.S. views as a threat."
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 07/20/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Just as long as you keep "Probed" in the headline. It fits, considering where some of the documents were residing.
Posted by: Victory Now Please || 07/20/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Clinton-ista's are putting things into their pants! Usually goes the other way.
Posted by: Sparks || 07/20/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#4  UPDATE: "Captain Ed" Morissey writes:

Perhaps this explanation will fly for those who have never worked around classified documents, but since I spent three years producing such material, I can tell you that it's impossible to "inadvertently" take or destroy them. For one thing, such documents are required to have covers -- bright covers in primary colors that indicate their level of classification. Each sheet of paper is required to have the classification level of the page (each page may be classified differently) at the top and bottom of each side of the paper. Documents with higher classifications are numbered, and each copy is tracked with an access log, and nowadays I suppose they're tracking them by computers.

Under these rules, it's difficult to see how anyone could "inadvertently" mix up handwritten notes with classified documents, especially when sticking them into one's jacket and pants. Furthermore, as Clinton's NSA, Berger would have been one of the people responsible for enforcing these regimens, not simply subject to them. The DOD makes these rules crystal clear during the clearance process at each level of access, and security officers (which Berger clearly was) undergo even further training and assessment on security procedures. "Inadvertent" and "sloppiness", in the real context of secured documentation, not only don't qualify as an excuse but don't even register as a possibility. . . .

. . . truth is that Berger stole classified files that related to the worst act of mass murder/terrorism ever experienced by Americans, and indeed the worst attack on our territory since the Civil War. That theft by a member of the opposition party's Presidential campaign calls into question the motivations of not only the administration Berger served, but also the administration he proposes to serve.

Quite a few of the regular Rantburgers (Fred, of course, and Old Spook, are the two that come immediately to mind) have backgrounds in the intelligence field. I'd be very interested in your take on all this. What say you, brothers (and sisters)?
Posted by: Mike || 07/20/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#5  not a front page story in the WashPost, pg A17 bottom of the page in the NYTimes. As someone else (Captain Ed or Hugh?) noted: can you imagine how this would play if Condi Rice or Cheney were caught lifting classified documents? Front Page Special Edition!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 10:01 Comments || Top||

#6  He's trying to spin it by saying he only stuffed his own notes down his pants and into his jacket, and supposedly "took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio."

That begs the question: Why didn't he put his notes into the portfolio too? And wouldn't his portfolio be checked upon leaving?
Posted by: growler || 07/20/2004 10:03 Comments || Top||

#7  from thatliberalmedia.com:

Perhaps this explanation will fly for those who have never worked around classified documents, but since I spent three years producing such material, I can tell you that it's impossible to "inadvertently" take or destroy them. For one thing, such documents are required to have covers -- bright covers in primary colors that indicate their level of classification. Each sheet of paper is required to have the classification level of the page (each page may be classified differently) at the top and bottom of each side of the paper. Documents with higher classifications are numbered, and each copy is tracked with an access log, and nowadays I suppose they're tracking them by computers.

Under these rules, it's difficult to see how anyone could "inadvertently" mix up handwritten notes with classified documents, especially when sticking them into one's jacket and pants. Furthermore, as Clinton's NSA, Berger would have been one of the people responsible for enforcing these regimens, not simply subject to them. The DOD makes these rules crystal clear during the clearance process at each level of access, and security officers (which Berger clearly was) undergo even further training and assessment on security procedures. "Inadvertent" and "sloppiness", in the real context of secured documentation, not only don't qualify as an excuse but don't even register as a possibility.

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Go to the site for more.
Posted by: growler || 07/20/2004 10:06 Comments || Top||

#8  I worked in a classified environment for 20 years and find it damn difficult to swallow this story. Sonetimes whe we left a secure building we would encounter random searhces of our carried items (lunchbox, briefcase, purse, etc) and go help you if you accidently put something classified in them. FYI Senior officials are RARELY checked for 'loose' documents.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/20/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#9  He sure seemed to be leaving the scene in an awfully gosh-darned big hurry to make such a mistake. Couple that with the fact that he knew fully well what the security protocol ought to have been. Someone must have been having a pret-ty hard day to screw up something that had been previously drilled into his head by the DOD.
Posted by: eLarson || 07/20/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||

#10  Should also be obvious -- notes taken would also be classified if any classified info was contained in them.
Posted by: virginian || 07/20/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#11  I cant find this story anywhere in MSNBC. ABC and CNN both are reporting this but MSNBC must not have gotten the memo.
Posted by: Anonymous5870 || 07/20/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#12  Found it... nevermind. It was burried under all the more important stuff like the hostage release and the Bush/Cheney Campain approaching $230 Mil.
Posted by: Anonymous5870 || 07/20/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#13  "Sandy Burglur": Rush

Stuffing steaks down ones pants is an ol' junkies trick. The celophaned wraped steaks slip easily under the waist and are wide enough to not slip down.
Posted by: Lucky || 07/20/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#14  Lucky... Tube or Flank?
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 07/20/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#15  UPDATE (2d): Moonbat World HQ is in a tizzy over this one:

I imagine that this morning Karl Rove and Karen Hughes arerubbing themselves raw over one line that appears in the story:

"Berger currently serves as an informal adviser to the campaign of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry."

By the time the two of them are done with this, Clinton will be responsible, Kerry will be responsible...I wonder how much BushCo paid Berger to be the "July Surprise."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

let's recall:
-the rethug controlled media.
-ashcroft's insanity.
-rove's dirty tricks.
-and perhaps most importantly:
all news about intelligence matters has a deeper, hidden truth.

berger's no idiot. he knew what he was doing because while they pretend otherwise, all intel people do shit like this, and all the time. i can't remember which one, but a recent former CIA director was busted with all kinds of unprotected files on his home computer that he wasn't supposed to have. there are other examples.

no, this stinks like a set up, and more. i'll wait for more information before i judge berger or the rest of the clinton team.
Posted by: Mike || 07/20/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||

#16  In case inadvertence is still an issue, Fox is now reporting:

"Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket, pants and socks, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio."

Now, unless socks is a Clinton administration euphemism for a condom, it is pretty hard to see how papers could have gotten in them inadvertently. Oh, but only the leather portfolio was inadvertent. Now everything makes complete sense.

What was in the Archives that was worth risking this? The angle has to be domestic and must relate to wrong doing by some American official. Anything else could have been spun.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 07/20/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#17  he hid classified info in his friggin socks! How could taht be inadvertant???
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 13:26 Comments || Top||

#18  Remember the scene in Citizen Kane where the reporter is trying to dig up stuff on Kane's past that would reveal what Rosebud was all about? The smoke, the lights, the shadows. Why, Berger was just trying to be artistique, mes amis!
Posted by: Michael || 07/20/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#19  I can only imagine now how Sandy is going to be probed...by an FBI proctologist.
Posted by: Michael || 07/20/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#20  I have handled classified documents as a military officer and civilian over the years.

I know of a Navy Reserve Officer who was taking a course a few years ago. He took classified documents to his hotel room to study for a test. He was caught bringing the documents back in (in a briefcase). He was subsequently courtmarshalled, sent to Leavenworth for 1 year, and given a bad conduct discharge. It ruined his life.

Berger should spend a least 10 years in Federal Prison becasue of crimnal intent.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/20/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||


Ala. Doctor Reactivated for Iraq War at 68
At 68, many people are slowing down. Not John Wicks: He's going to Iraq. Wicks, a psychiatrist, has been called out of military retirement by the Army to fill a shortage of mental health experts needed to help soldiers cope with combat. He could be gone as long as a year. The Army hasn't told Wicks what his exact assignment in Iraq is, or where in the country it will send him. "I believe that the morale in general is not that good since the scandal at that prison," he said, referring to the allegations of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison. "When morale is high, you have fewer of these kinds of problems. And when morale is low you have more." Wicks, who is beginning a week of training in Texas, will have the rank of colonel. His previous military experience includes two years active duty with the Marines and 18 years in the Alabama National Guard. Wicks is a veteran of the U.S. war with Iraq in 1991, but his wife said things are different this time. "In Desert Storm, he was in the 109th Evacuation Hospital and they had drilled together for years," said Jan Wicks. "He felt good about going with this team that he knew. He doesn't have that support this time."
I get the sense that these two are freer with their tongues than they should be.
Wicks figures he will be among the oldest U.S. soldiers in the Iraq war. Martha Rudd, a spokeswoman for the Army at the Pentagon, said she has no way of knowing if Wicks would be the oldest. She said she had heard of one other doctor who was 68 and went to Iraq. Wicks' latest assignment started with a postcard the Army sent last fall that explained the need for specialists and asked if he felt he was fit to serve. "I stuck the thing in my pocket and carried it around for several weeks agonizing on how I should respond," he told The Decatur Daily in a story Sunday. "The truth is I consider myself fit to serve, so that's how I marked it and sent it back." "My wife said 'You'll never hear from them.' Well, it was no time at all till I heard from them," Wicks said.

Wicks said recruiters initially hinted he could go to Europe or a stateside base to relieve a younger psychiatrist who would go to Iraq. The Army even gave him three choices should that scenario play out, and Dr. Wicks chose Italy, Germany and England. "Well, I now wonder if this was just to get me hooked. Because there's no way I'm going to Italy or any of these places," he said. "I'm going to Iraq."
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John Muhammad Attorneys Say Rights Violated
Prosecutors violated John Allen Muhammad's due process rights by simultaneously presenting contradictory theories in his capital murder trial and that of fellow sniper suspect Lee Boyd Malvo, attorneys for Muhammad said in court papers Monday. Muhammad is on death row after being convicted last year in the death of Dean Meyers, one of 10 sniper killings over three weeks in October 2002 in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C. One day after Muhammad was sentenced to death, Malvo - who was 17 at the time of the sniper spree - was sentenced to life in prison for the slaying of FBI analyst Linda Franklin. Capital murder convictions in Virginia are automatically appealed to the Virginia Supreme Court. In a brief supporting Muhammad's appeal, his lawyers alleged 102 specific errors in the trial and sentencing, including the inconsistent prosecution theories. The state argued in the Muhammad case that he controlled his younger accomplice, yet it claimed in the Malvo case that the teenager was "an independent thinker, and not under the sway of John Muhammad," defense lawyers Jonathan Shapiro and Peter Greenspun wrote.

Muhammad's attorneys also argued that there was no proof that Muhammad was the triggerman or that he ordered Malvo to shoot Meyers, and that a state anti-terrorism law under which Muhammad was charged is unconstitutionally vague. Defense lawyers unsuccessfully raised the same claims at trial. The state attorney general's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Monday. Fairfax County Circuit Judge Jonathan Thacher has scheduled an Oct. 4 trial for Muhammad in Franklin's death. Commonwealth's Attorney Robert F. Horan Jr. has said a second trial is worth pursuing because of the seriousness of the crime and the potential for the death sentence to be overturned on appeal. No decision has been made on a second trial for Malvo.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/20/2004 12:56:51 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rights? Did he say rights? I got yer rights right here...
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh, and quit complaining, jerkoff, we have several potential uses for assholes like you...
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#3  102 or 1002 errors don’t make this young warped Moslem any less guilty. I am surprised he hasn’t had an accident yet in prison. But then he is probably somebody’s girlfriend, at least until they are through with him. So what if they forgot to dot an I or cross a t, he isn’t going anywhere. Man I really am beginning to HATE lawyers!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/20/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#4  You have the right to remain silent.

Now do it.
Posted by: Mercutio || 07/20/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Joint patrols in Malacca Straits
A ceremony has been held in the Malacca Straits to mark the beginning of co-ordinated naval patrols between Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia. The armed forces commanders of all three nations stood in salute as 17 ships began patrolling the waterway. The three countries all border the narrow Malacca Straits, one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. The patrols are a response to fears that the straits are vulnerable to attack from pirates or terrorists. To mark the new agreement, ships fired flares into the sky, and parachutists dropped from a plane into the water to perform a simulated pirate chase. All three countries will contribute up to seven ships to the patrol, with each ship remaining under its own nation's commands.

Piracy has been a problem for centuries, but it has been getting worse in recent years. Since the 11 September attacks on the US, the threat of attacks in the region has also increased. Our correspondent in Indonesia, Rachel Harvey, says the policing of the Malacca Straits is a sensitive diplomatic issue - in an increasingly sensitive security situation. Indonesia's navy chief, Admiral Bernard Kent Sondakh, recently said in an interview with Tempo magazine that foreign governments - including the US - were primarily interested in the waterway because it was economically strategic, rather than because of terrorism fears. In the same interview, he accused the International Maritime Bureau - an independent body to protect international shipping - of over-reporting the amount of piracy in the region.
That tells you how much we can expect from the Indonesian part of this force.
But Singapore is still holding open the possibility that it may need more help in patrolling its coasts in future, possibly from the US.
Fat chance, if Indonesia and Malaysia have anything to say about it.
Posted by: Steve || 07/20/2004 8:58:33 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Since Indonesia and Malaysia host the pirates involved in this, expect less than heroic efforts on their parts.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/20/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#2  "...ships fired flares into the sky, and parachutists dropped from a plane into the water to perform a simulated pirate chase."

Are we expecting the pirates to be swimming the Straits?
Posted by: mojo || 07/20/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#3  CS: Since Indonesia and Malaysia host the pirates involved in this, expect less than heroic efforts on their parts.

Actually, it's been rumored that the pirates might be navy personnel moonlighting.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/20/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||


Pakistanis get death, life term, in Thailand
A Thai criminal court on Monday sentenced one Pakistani man to death and another to life in prison for the murder and attempted murder of an Indian mobster and his associate, court officials said. Muhammad Sarim, 41, and Muhammad Yusuf, 49, were found guilty of murder and attempted murder stemming from a Bangkok shootout in 2000 believed to be a clash of mafia rivals, the court said. "The court found Sarim and Yusuf guilty as charged and they were both sentenced to death, but Sarim provided useful testimony and his sentence was reduced to life in prison," the court said. A third suspect charged in the case was dismissed for lack of evidence. The September 2000 shootings in Bangkok saw Indian mobster Chhota Rajan wounded and his associate Michael d'Souza killed by gunmen alleged to belong to another gang run by a Bombay kingpin.
Posted by: Fred || 07/20/2004 12:32:05 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Ex-Timor governor starts sentence
A former governor of East Timor convicted of human rights abuses has begun serving his prison sentence in Jakarta, a day later than scheduled. Abilio Soares failed to report to the attorney general on Friday - but after a further summons he has now complied. He was found guilty in 2002 of failing to prevent violence during East Timor's transition to independence in 1999. Mr Soares says he is being made a scapegoat while top security officials have been allowed to go free. Mr Soares has become the first person convicted by Indonesia's special human rights tribunal to go to prison for his crimes. But it has taken almost two years.

After the failure of his appeal, Indonesia's supreme court ordered Mr Soares to begin serving his three-year sentence in a Jakarta jail on 16 July. The deadline came and went. Mr Soares was at home in Indonesian West Timor, a six-hour flight away. The prosecutor's office contacted him and made clear that if he failed to comply with the summons Mr Soares would be taken by force. Speaking to the BBC as he signed his prison papers, Mr Soares said he was deeply disappointed but not angry. "I've sacrificed so much for my country," he said, "now I feel I'm the one being sacrificed." He went on to say that searching for justice in Indonesia was like looking for fresh water in a desert. Many victims of the violence which swept East Timor during its vote for independence from Jakarta would certainly agree with that.
Here's a BBC reporter who can take an editorial stand in favor of justice -- the US must not have been involved.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/20/2004 12:13:46 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
US allegations against Iran imaginary, fiction
EFL & Truth
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said on Tuesday that any US direct and indirect allegations against Iran over September 11 terrorist attacks are fictitious and imaginary. In reaction to US President George W. Bush statement that Washington is still trying to determine whether how Iran was involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks, Asefi said that the Islamic Republic of Iran has explicitly declared that the A-Qu boys are staying in our finest suites and feasting on our finest dates its position about the terrorist attacks in the United States.
Seething and frothing. Maybe they should drink less coffee. Word is, it makes the "mind go blank."
"In dealing with al-Qaeda elements, absolutely, we consider our national interest. It is not surprising that few individuals may have been helped to crossed Iranian porous borders illegally. The ridiculous thing is that the US is making such an allegation whereas it had trained the pilots and saboteurs involved in terrorist attacks in September attacks. The US allegations against Iran over involvement in September 11 terrorist attacks is demagogy, Asefi said.
Strange we have not yet mentionted training the pilots. Where would he come up with such a notion?
He said that Washington has embarked on propaganda stunt as part of its election campaign adding that the liberal American people and partisan media have well understood that the US intelligence apparatus is not independent and they just provide recipe as per the White House order.
Yes, ah, I'll take two MOABs and cluster of cruise missiles. Oh, and can you hold phosphorus. I like my extremist black hats medium rare.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 07/20/2004 11:19:23 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Lies! All lies!"
Posted by: mojo || 07/20/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Aristotle Onassis, the Palestinian Fatah, and Sirhan Sirhan (Part 6)
This is Part 5 in a series of articles written by me, Mike Sylwester, based on a new book, Nemesis, written by Peter Evans.(Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5)
On March 16, 1968, Robert Kennedy entered the presidential election. During late March Aristotle Onassis met repeatedly with Mahmoud Hamshari in Paris. By about March 26 Onassis informed David Karr that he and Jackie Kennedy had secretly decided to get married, and Karr passed that information personally to President Lyndon Johnson on April 2. At about that same time, Jackie informed Robert Kennedy, and he persuaded her to keep their wedding plans secret until after the election, in exchange for which he promised not to cause trouble for Onassis. When Jackie informed Onassis of her agreement about that issue, he feared that a newly elected President Robert Kennedy would ignore that promise and exploit his new power to cause maximum trouble for Onassis.

In about early May 1968 Aristotle Onassis obtained from Olympic Airline chairman Yannis Georgakis the first installment payment of $200,000 of a planned total of $1.2 million to Mahmoud Hamshari. Onassis flew with the cash from Paris to New York, where his chauffeur Roosevelt Zanders delivered it in a shopping bag to an apartment at United Nations Plaza. That same evening, Onassis had dinner with Jackie Kennedy, her mother Janet Auschincloss and Robert and Ethel Kennedy at the home of Jackie's friend (and soon to be Onassis's lover) Joan Thring. Robert Kennedy's attitude toward Onassis at the dinner was frosty, since he could not conceal his disapproval for the marriage.

Sirhan Sirhan assassinated Robert Kennedy in Los Angeles on June 5. Aristotle and Jackie married on October 20. By this time the mass media had reported that the official investigators of the assassination had concluded that Sirhan was a lone nut, not involved in any conspiracy.

On October 31, Onassis called Georgakis and told him he had decided to not pay the remaining million dollars to Hamshari. Onassis explained to Georgakis that he doubted that other airlines were paying so much money to the Palestinian terrorists to prevent hijackings and bombings.

On the night of December 19, Georgakis was dining with Onassis when the latter accepted a phone call from his secretary in Paris. The secretary reported that a man had called on Onassis's private line and said that a bomb had already been placed on board an Olympic flight that was preparing to fly from New York to Athens — a flight carrying Jackie, her two children, and four friends. The flight was called back as it was taxiing to take off. The flight was delayed for four hours while every piece of luggage was searched, and no bomb was found.

The following morning Georgakis received a phone call from Hamshari. Unless the remaining million dollars was deposited into a Swiss bank account by three o'clock that afternoon, Hamshari, warned, another Olympic flight would really be attacked. Georgakis reported the threat to Onassis, who agreed to the payment.

A few days later, on December 26, 1968, two Palestinian terrorists instead hijacked an El Al Boeing 707 flight from Athens to New York. One person was killed and two were seriously injured in that attack. The two Palestinians were subsequently sentenced to life imprisonment but were released from prison on July 27, 1970, at the demand of six other Palestinians who hijacked an Olympic airliner that was flying to Cairo.

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In December 1971 Aristotle Onassis' ex-wife Tina met with their daughter Christina to ask her to stop badmouthing her current husband Stavros Niarchos. Christina was Niarchos's niece and step-daughter, since he had been married to Tina's sister Eugenie and was now married to Tina herself. Among the accusations that Christina kept repeating about Niarchos was that he had murdered Eugenie. In order to give Christina a broader perspective, Tina informed Christina that her father Aristotle had financed the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

The next day Christina passed this information on to her brother Alexander Onassis, who subsequently placed some related papers into a safe-deposit box at the Plaza-Athenée Hotel in Paris. After that, Alexander told his lover Fiona Thyssen that these papers would prevent his father Aristotle from harming Fiona. Since Fiona was 16 years older than Alexander, Aristotle considered her to be a gold-digger and wanted her out of Alexander's life. Aristotle (and Tina) believed that Narchos was paying Thyssen big money to maintain the love affair with Alexander in order to spy on Alexander and, through him, on Aristotle Onassis. Nigel Neilson, a close friend of Onassis, told author Peter Evans that Onassis "wanted to have her [Thyssen's] legs broken, her looks ruined, her face pulped."

Alexander later told Georgakis what he had learned from Christina. That information from Alexander enabled Georgakis to understand the significance of Onassis's payments to Harmshari.

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In the autumn of 1972 Hamshari fell into disfavor within Fatah because of accusations that he had misappropriated large amounts of money he had received, including the money he had received from Onassis. The investigation was handled by Abu Iyad, Fatah's intelligence chief.

On December 7, a team of Mossad agents secretly entered Hamshari's Paris apartment and placed a bomb under his desk. The next morning, when Hamshari answered a phone call, the bomb exploded and gravely injured him.

While Hamshari lay in a Paris hospital, Fatah conducted a secret court martial of Hamshari in Beirut. Hamshari was found guilty of embezzling PLO funds, principally from Onassis, to his own accounts in Switzerland and Luxembourg. On January 9, 1973, Hamshari developed a mysterious fever and died within 24 hours. A Mossad agent later informed Evans that Hamshari had been poisoned by Hamshari's own Palestinian colleagues.

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On January 22, 1973, Alexander Onassis was flying a private airplane that crashed because the aileron cables had been mysteriously reversed. He died of his injuries on the next day.

Aristotle Onassis died of various illnesses on March 15, 1975. In July of that year, Christina was planning to marry, and David Karr asked her what she wanted for a wedding gift. She answered that she wanted the contents of her dead brother Alexander's safe-deposit box at the Plaza-Athenée Hotel, where Karr served on the board of directors. Despite his position, Karr said he was not able to grant her request. In the early hours of August 18, however, two armed men entered the hotel. One man held the night staff at gunpoint while the other man broke open deposit boxes in the vault. The two men then disappeared.

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In January 1968 Aristotle Onassis commissioned Peter Evans to write his biography. Evans interviewed Onassis many times during that year, but then Onassis cancelled the deal shortly before me married Jackie Kennedy. Onassis resumed the collaboration with Evans in the spring of 1974 and the interviews continued until shortly before Onassis's death. Evans published the resulting biography, Ari: The Life and Times of Aristotle Socrates Onassis, in 1986.

Georgakis read the book immediately and complemented Evans, but hinted that the biography had missed a very important part of Onassis's last year. Christina belatedly read the book in May 1988 and then met with Evans to suggest that he write another book, about how her father had financed the assassination of Robert Kennedy. She wanted him to slant the book, however, to show that her father's role had been inadvertant and unwitting. She promised to meet with Evans and Georgakis in December 1988 to begin collaborating on the book. She died, however, mysteriously in June. After her death, Georgakis decided to stop collaborating with Evans on the book. Later that year he died after a long illness.
To be continued.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/20/2004 11:14:57 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Tech
CLINTON SAYS BERGER-DOCUMENTS FUROR IS JUST POLITICS: 'WE WERE ALL LAUGHING ABOUT IT'
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 21:13 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But then again, it depends on what your definition of the word "laughing" is.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/20/2004 22:29 Comments || Top||

#2  So as I understand it, Berger takes some handwritten notes and puts them in his boxers and socks, but also (by mistake, of course, he's just a former national security advisor and doesn't know what he's supposed to do with sensitive material) leaves with some classified documents in a briefcase. Why not put the handwritten notes in the briefcase? Because it was so stuffed full of classified documents that there wasn't room? Because he thought he needed extra padding in his pants? Gimme a break.
Posted by: Matt || 07/20/2004 22:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Let's see if Burglar and the Clintons can still yuck it up in orange jumpsuits...!
Posted by: Jen || 07/20/2004 22:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Missing lawfirm documents showed up one day in the Clinton Whitehouse in Hillary's possession. Documents were taken from Vince Foster's office.

Will any of the big media point this out tomorrow?
Bet against it.
Posted by: mhw || 07/20/2004 22:51 Comments || Top||

#5  well, at least we know she stashed them above the thankles in her pantsuit
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 22:57 Comments || Top||

#6  For eight years the Clinton Administration laughed at national security. Why should this theft and breach of security be any less humorous?
Hope we get to see yet another Clinton gopher riding a lawn mower and raking leaves at a federal prison.
Posted by: GK || 07/20/2004 23:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Clinton is a f'n idiot. If had spent even one day in uniform instead of hiding out in England he would understand the seriousness of stealing classified documents.

Like I said, if Berger were in uniform he would be facing 10 years in Leavenworth doing hard time, plus a BCD and a huge fine.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/21/2004 0:02 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
U.N. Demands Israel Tear Down Barrier
...Tuesday's vote was 150 in favor, 6 opposed including the United States, and 10 abstentions.
All dictators and appeasers of dictators please raise your right hand...
The 191-member world body voted after lengthy negotiations between the Arab League and the European Union which resulted in a revised text that was accepted by both groups.
Seems that they were haggling over whether to kill more zionists or jooos
..."It's time now, we believe, for implementation, for compliance, and at a later stage for additional measures," Al-Kidwa said, praising "the magnificent results that were achieved today in support of international law and in support of blowing joos to pieces peace and reconciliation in the Middle East."
At least the UN is consistent in its desire to kill jews. It can do something right...


Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 07/20/2004 9:42:25 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  hmmm...how about, no?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 22:27 Comments || Top||

#2  I can think of a useful Dick Cheney line here...
Posted by: Capt America || 07/20/2004 22:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Whenever I hear of any great pronouncement from the general assembly of the UN, I always reminds myself of a few facts:

1) The AVERAGE education of delegates to the UN is the equivalent of 5th grade. Most are blood relations to the leaders of their respective nations.

2) On AVERAGE, some 40 weapons are confiscated from delegates every day the general assembly meets. Most are guns, knives, blowguns, clubs, projectiles and poisons.

3) The general assembly has repeatedly voted fried grasshopper to be their favorite snack food.

4) The vast majority of the delegates have stated that they believe the US moon landing was just another Hollywood production.

5) For several years, Theodor Geisel, aka Dr Seuss, was employed in the staff of the UN as an illustrator who drew cartoon pamphlets to depict complex issues to delegates who are illiterate.

6) For many years running, resolutions have been approved by the general assembly strongly condemning inclement weather around the world, such as hurricaines, tornadoes, monsoon flooding and drought.

7) Some people wish the US to take a subordinate role to these people in the matters of criminal law, international scientific treaties, and global economic policy.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/20/2004 22:46 Comments || Top||

#4  It’s time now, we believe, for implementation, for compliance, and at a later stage for additional measures," Al-Kidwa said

Wonder what those 'additional measures' are?
Posted by: mhw || 07/20/2004 22:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Wonder what those 'additional measures' are?

how about they pick up our UN contributions and pay for relocation to Gaza?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 22:53 Comments || Top||

#6  The UN can go phuck themselves. Sideways. I am beyond disgusted with them, and have been for years.

The last time the UN did anything of value was back in the 1970's when they eradicated smallpox through the WHO.

May they all rot in HELL - and leave our shores NOW.

Useless dictator-loving wankers.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/20/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Hmm...I vote that we recycle the UN delegates as organ donors and fertilizer. So you see, they aren't completely worthless.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 07/20/2004 23:16 Comments || Top||

#8  All dictators and appeasers of dictators please raise your right hand...

Unless I'm mistaken that includes the UK, I believe. And Poland. And Italy. "Old" and "New" Europe both.

The only ones that aren't appeaser of dictators are thus USA, Israel, Australia and ofcourse your big and powerful allies of the Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

The last time the UN did anything of value was back in the 1970's when they eradicated smallpox through the WHO.

They also provided the fourteen resolutions against Iraq that allowed the USA to say "There existed fourteen resolutions against Iraq, and that's one of the reasons we had to go in there."
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 07/20/2004 23:21 Comments || Top||

#9  I used to scoff at the 1950's and 1960's John Birch Society billboards that read "TEAR DOWN THE U.N.!" As the years have passed, they make more and more sense to me...
Posted by: borgboy || 07/20/2004 23:26 Comments || Top||

#10  So much for the UN's much vaunted "anti-Semitism" campaign. What a bunch of syphillitic scum bags. America needs to single-handedly fund wholesale relocation of the UN to Bangladesh and shut these wankers up forever. Not many would be scrambling for posting assignments to the UN after that.
Posted by: Zenster || 07/20/2004 23:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Yeah, Aristotle and this resolution on the Israeli fence will go the same way as those 16 resolutions against Saddam--with the UN doing Sweet Fanny Adams (nothing)!
Thank God!
I love the fence. The fence works.
Posted by: Jen || 07/20/2004 23:35 Comments || Top||

#12  So much for the UN's much vaunted "anti-Semitism" campaign.

Oh I dunno, I'd say that it looks like they've done a splendid job of institutionalizing anti-Semitism....
Posted by: AzCat || 07/20/2004 23:35 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Radical Nigerian Muslims still oppose polio vaccine
A radical Muslim group that triggered panic over polio immunisation in northern Nigeria said on Tuesday it remains opposed to the vaccine, despite it being passed as safe by a hardline state government.Polio vaccination was suspended in Kano state in August last year after some Muslim imams alleged that the drugs distributed by United Nations health agencies had been laced with chemicals as part of a Western plot to make African girls infertile. On Monday, Kano's Governor Ibrhaim Shekarau announced that local tests had confirmed that the vaccine -- which has been in use all over the world for several decades -- is indeed safe, and ordered the resumption of vaccination. But Nafiu Baba Ahmed, secretary general of a small but influential pressure group known as the Supreme Council for Sharia in Nigeria, attacked the findings and warned that many Muslims will continue to shun the vaccine. "We believe that the Kano state government was forced into submission due to pressure and propaganda from the West," he said. "It's a blatant lie that the substances found in the vaccine are too insignificant to cause harm. Many a time a drug will be certified as safe but after some years will be withdrawn after a lot of damage had been done."

Asked whether his group will continue to campaign against the vaccination once Kano state, the Nigerian federal government and UN agencies have restarted the long-delayed campaign, Ahmed said: "We feel we have done our best. A lot of people will no longer take part in the polio vaccination exercise becuase of the fear that they have regarding the immunisation and in particular the scientific proof that it can cause infertility in children," he claimed. Shekarau's earlier decision to prevent the innoculation of infants in Kano, the teeming commercial capital of Nigeria's Muslim north, had been criticised by international health officials. The World Health Organisation and the UN Children's Fund said that polio, which they still hope to eradicate globally by the end of the year, has spread from Nigeria to other African countries once regarded as safe from the disease. With 257 cases, Nigeria now has more than three-quarters the world's active polio infections, which strikes babies and toddlers and leaves them with permanently withered or lifeless limbs, the UN agencies said.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 07/20/2004 11:50:20 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hate to say it, but innoculate all the non-Muslims then and let nature take its course.
Posted by: yank || 07/20/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Yep. Looks like a situation tailor-made to illustrate the workings of natural selection. Frankly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the entire Islamosphere ends up collecting a Darwin Award sooner or later.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/20/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#3  As it happens, I'm opposed to polio vaccinations for radical Nigerian mooslims. Sounds like a solution we can all agree on.
Posted by: BH || 07/20/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#4  But is it not the Will of Allan that a child born unto Islamic parents be forced to suffer the consequences of their dumb-assitude? Pity the children of infidels whose limbs grow straight and strong.
Posted by: SteveS || 07/20/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#5  The problem is I don't think Polio kills, so they can still breed. It would be better if it caused sterility.
Posted by: yank || 07/20/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Polio can be fatal. There probably aren't many iron lungs in Muslim territories.
Posted by: Fred || 07/20/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#7  I take care of a couple of patients with post-polio syndrome. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/20/2004 16:17 Comments || Top||

#8  Dr. Salk was Jewish, you know.
Posted by: borgboy || 07/20/2004 22:49 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Today's Lileks moment
Hmm. I'm watching the New York City newscast: subway bomb in Times Square. Nothing major — one cop sent to the hospital with burns, major for him, but nothing that shrieks TERRORIST ATTACK. Unless it's another test. The next phase of the suitcase tests.

There I go again: paranoia. Suspicion is the sign of an unbalanced mind. I know, I know: we shouldn't leap to conclusions, but it's interesting how suspicion itself is now a conclusion. As though we're wrong to wonder if the bad guys might be up to something.

Bad guys! How droll, how 11/91, how amusingly Manichean. Have a nuance smoothie, man. Oceania is not at war with Eurasia. Oceania has never been at war with Eurasia.

Plus, replacement wndows, brain-dead DirecTV installers and Romans.
Posted by: Steve || 07/20/2004 11:25:15 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


Go Ahead, Call Us Cowboys
Posted by: tipper || 07/20/2004 09:48 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I said much the same thing here. However, these guys did a great job going out into the field.
Posted by: Ptah || 07/20/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#2  A bit long-winded. The title says it better-go ahead call us cowboys. Being called a cowboy outside the US is an insult, being called a cowboy inside the US is a compliment. It's funny to hear it used by non-Americans as an insult. Kinda like:

They're so successful!

Heehehee
Posted by: jules 187 || 07/20/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#3  that hurts like being called a cracker.....LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraq Says It Will Hit at Countries Backing Rebels
Iraq is ready to retaliate against countries it accuses of supporting violence wracking the country, the country's defense minister warned Tuesday. Hazim al-Shaalan mentioned no countries by name but accused old foe Iran of "blatant interference."
Check
Iraq has also complained in the past about guerrilla fighters entering the country from Syria.
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"We are prepared to move the arena of the attacks on Iraq's honor and its rights to those countries," he was quoted as saying by the London-based Asharq al-Awsat newspaper. "We've spoken to them and confronted them with facts and evidence, but none of them have taken any action to stop supporting terrorism in Iraq," he said.
Sounds like somebody is getting ready to wind that clock.
Iraq blames a wave of bombings and assassinations, which has claimed hundreds of lives including senior Iraqi politicians, on remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime as well as foreign Islamic militants who have entered from neighboring countries. "They (Iranians) confess to the presence of their spies in Iraq who have a mission to shake up the social and political situation," the defense minister said. "Iranian intrusion has been vast and unprecedented since the establishment of the Iraqi state." Washington, too, has accused Tehran of seeking to destabilize and gain influence in Iraq, which like Iran, is predominantly Shi'ite Muslim. Tehran denies interfering in Iraqi affairs.
"Wasn't us, musta been them Samoans again."
Ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein waged a protracted war against Iran between 1980 and 1988 in which hundreds of thousands died on both sides. Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi -- on a tour of Arab states bordering Iraq -- won Jordanian support for his drive to crush insurgents. Syria agreed earlier this month to help seal its long desert border with Iraq and stop foreign insurgents infiltrating into Iraq to fight U.S. forces and the U.S.-backed authorities.
We'll be watching
Posted by: Steve || 07/20/2004 9:13:08 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  SUNDAY!SUNDAY!SUNDAY!

Iraq vs. Iran

Round II

The Beatdown in Bhagdad!

Somebody run out and get me some beer and crackerjacks, this better be good.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 07/20/2004 9:31 Comments || Top||

#2  This time Iraq has a tag team partner named America though ;)
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 07/20/2004 9:38 Comments || Top||

#3  "Interviewed by the London-based Asharq Awsat newspaper, Defense Minister Hazem Shalan al-Khuzaei blamed neighboring Iran, but gave no details.
"If they do not stop this we will move it to their own streets," he said in another interview, with the Gulf-based Al-Arabiya television.



Their own streets - hmmm.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 07/20/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh, boy.

And to think we were worried that the new Iraqi government would be Tehran West.

Of course, I hope that Allawi's mouth doesn't start writing checks his ass can't cash.
Posted by: dreadnought || 07/20/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Where's a WMD when you need one?
Posted by: jules 187 || 07/20/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Iran to Iraq -"Oh yeah. You and what army?"

Iraq to Iran - :>)

Iran to Iraq - "uh oh"
Posted by: mhw || 07/20/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#7  Intersting to think the new Iraqi government could drag us into a war that we might not be prepared for. I'd never truly considered that option before. Of course they could provide help scare the tar out of Iran and Syria if the US is playing good cop bad cop with Iraq.
Posted by: yank || 07/20/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#8  the start of posturing for the eventual confrontation with iran - after nov of course...
Posted by: Dan || 07/20/2004 10:57 Comments || Top||

#9  Of course, I hope that Allawi's mouth doesn't start writing checks his ass can't cash.

For now, he has the full faith and credit of the U.S. behind him. That should count for something.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/20/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#10  Hell with after November. A decent series of punative expeditions through the Syrian and Iranian border towns ought to make the left foam spectacularly, while making the right look fierce and proactive. Win-win.

The Republican re-election motto ought to be "a mullah for every Iranian lamp-post; a Ba'athist for every Syrian door-post, a Hizbullahi for every Lebanese cedar."
Posted by: Mitch H. || 07/20/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#11  Bomb,

Yeah, it counts if GWB is the banker. Not sure the same can be said for JF(ing)K.
Posted by: dreadnought || 07/20/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#12  Iraq could use Kurdish "insurgents" to create havoc inside Kurdish areas of Iran. Iranian oil infrastructure would also be vulnerable to "insurgent" sabotage.
Posted by: virginian || 07/20/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#13  Is a repeat of the Afghanistan model - an Iraqi invasion backed by a "hard core" of say 10,000 American troops - possible here? If the new Iraqi army was to actually invade Iran (or Syria for that matter), how would the people there react? Do they still hate Iraq for the 1980 Iraq-Iran war? Do we know if the Iraqi army is really ready for primetime yet? Would they fight "clean" or could we expect atrocities? I know they've got a lot of spiffy new equipment and we've given them some decent re-training, but it is enough?
Posted by: Captain_Overkill || 07/20/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#14  Pass the popcorn please. Yeah, the big bowl with extra butter.
Posted by: Scott R || 07/20/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#15  Syria agreed earlier this month to help seal its long desert border with Iraq and stop foreign insurgents infiltrating into Iraq to fight U.S. forces and the U.S.-backed authorities.

Oh that border!
Posted by: Lucky || 07/20/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#16  1. Unless and until the Iran regime cracks down a lot harder, I dont think most Iranians will welcome a US invasion, and even fewer an Iraqi invasion. Internal revolution is still the best bet, unreliable though that is (of course both US and Iraq can support that in various ways)
2. But of course we cant necessarily wait to deal with the Iranian nukes.
3. Iraq is important not only as base against Iran, but to influence the rest of the arab world - id be very nervous to see Allawi staking Iraq on this, though he may be forced to (byt he Iranians, that is)
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 07/20/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#17  Iraqi soldiers will not be involved in invading Iran. They will just protect the border.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 07/20/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#18  liberalhawk, that's why you bomb their gov't sites, their military sites, their wmd sites and provide air cover to the iranians that you arm to overthrow the mullahs.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 07/20/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#19  i dont think most iranians would take to well to an air campaign, either. Im not convinced that a military campaign of any kind against Iran is compatible with regime change by revolution. This isnt Afghanistan, where people are more loyal to their local tribe than to the "nation", or Iraq where 80% of the population belongs to religious/ethnic minorities that had been subject to genocide by the previous govt. This is a nationalist population, that doesnt like the Mullahs, and may even be sympathetic to the US, but I dont think that will survive "shock and awe".
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 07/20/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#20  any kind of invasion would be done with american troops(maybe iraqi's playing support, guarding the rear or somthing with maybe one force with their best lads getting combad experience while under the watchful gaze of our forces).. the iraqis are learning, but they are not ready and I don't think they will be before Iran gets nukes

I think an attack on iran would prolly be run in a manner similar to the attack on saddam's regime
Posted by: Dcreeper || 07/20/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#21  Lib, I agree that the iranians won't like us being there (even if some of them did say "Us next!"), 'course the iraqis don't like use being where we are either..
how do you think the iranian distaste for our presence would effect the goal of regime change ?
Posted by: Dcreeper || 07/20/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#22  LH: and may even be sympathetic to the US

More or less so than Iraq? There's a tendency here for people to believe that because the US and the people of Iran share a common interest in getting rid of the Mullahs, that they should become natural allies. Anywhere else in the world that might actually hold, but not in the middle east, and definitely not in Iran.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/20/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#23  Im not sure, raf. Ive seen things on the net indicating that the Iranian population is at least more pro-secularist than the Iraqi population - theyve been oppressed for 25 years by a fundie regime, not by a secular dictator. I have a friend, an Iranian Jew who maintains business contacts in Iran who confirms this - the most pro-American people in the world, he says, and you get similar things from the Student commitee. OTOH that could be a biased slice of Iranian society - the relatively secular elite in Teheran - not the folks in the smaller cities and country. I suspect it would at a minimum cut differently than Iraq in terms of demographics - in Iraq a segment of the Baghdad elite was hostile - I think in Iran the educated classed would be more pro-US.

As for alliance, it depends what you mean by alliance. Would i expect a post-revolutionary Iran regime to rush to recognize Israel, or reestablish the relations we had under the Shah? No, I do not. But I would expect them to drop support for Hezbollah and other terrorist groups, and to be at more open to a reasonable discussion on Iraq, on nukes, etc.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 07/20/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#24  DC - a US military strike on Iran MIGHT lead to rallying around the regime, and to undercutting the political position of the reformers. IF the US strike was not a full blown Iraq style invasion, that would mean lengthening rather than shortening the life of the regime.

Which is not to say it might not be required anyway. Which is better, to have a 100% chance of the mullahs staying for 10 years, but with no nukes cause weve taken them out, or to have a 50% chance of an Iranian revolution, but a 90% chance that they will have nukes if they dont have a revolution?

IF we do an Iraqi style invasion, and IF the majority of the population rallies around the regime, than we've got Iraq on a larger scale. If we are contemplating something like that we'd better expand the US Army right now, cause 10 divisions absolutely wont cut it, and im not sure 12 divisions will either.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 07/20/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#25  Unfortunately so, Rafael, unfortunately ...

"take it to their streets," eh? Intriguing >:D

By the way, the New York Daily News endorsed Allawi's actions in its official op-ed ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 07/20/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#26  What Liberalhawk said.
Let's arm up the Iranian student movement, provide them with intelligence information, and wage a propoganda war on the Mad Mullah's via shortwave radio from Iraq and Afghanistan. When they rise we knock down anything the Iranians put in the air.
A good hard shove & thew hole stinking thing will go over in a few weeks.
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/20/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#27  1) Iraqis still hate the Iranians. It goes back CENTURIES to Darius and the Persians.

2) A US attack on Iran would only hurt us in Iraq (its against a fellow muslim), and would likely hand the keys over to the Mullahs for decades to come as they rally against "outsiders". As for the mullas in that situation "Hey're bastards, but they're OUR bastards". Look at Iraq for a good example.

The revolution in Iran MUST come from within. THe *best* way to do that is to clamp down HARD on their borders.

Keep the IRG bottled up and busy on the borders, smuggle weapons in and help groups outside the country grow internal organizations (just like France did with Ayatollah Khomeni - another thing to thank France for).

Use strikes, protests, work slowdowns, etc - stager them, and make sure they are spread, but well supported by the locals and the middle class.

Force the Government to be even more opressive (and they will - they actually beleive that crap they preach)- and be sure that the Mullahs bear the ire of that repression.

Once its ripe, Iran starts burning from the inside, starting in Tehran. All we need to do is increase the heat - and they will oblige us by keeping the lid on too tight: the pressure will evenutally blow them up.

I'm quite sure the Iraqis would love to get some payback.

Here is the part nobody is talking about: the religious side.

Imagine a revolution in Iraq in which the Mullahs get chased out of government, and many of them are killed, and a secular government gets put in place.

Now look at the aftermath for Shia Muslims.

The most powerful Ayatollahs in the Shia sects are Iranian.

Guess who used to be top dog Shias? The Iraqis.

Guess who has been stuck in line behind them since Ayatollah Khomeni took over? The Iraqis.

Guess who owns the 2 most holy Shia sites but isnt allowed to run them? The Iraqis.

Guess who becomes top dog again if the Iranian Ayatollahs get iced? The Iraqis.

Now do you see why there is no love lost?

Now do you see why Moqtada Sadr ran out of Iraqi friends so quickly when it became known the Iranians were backing him?

Now do you see why we had to have Iran cordoned off geographically (Afghanistan and Iraq, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey)?

Now do you see why Bush hitting Afghanistan and Iraq wer simply the first and most important steps in winning the war on Terrorism?

Iran has always been the objective. It had to be. Take out Iran and Syria completely collapses.

And without those, then the only major overt safe harbor for Terrorists are Sudan and North Korea, and they dont have any oil money to finance things.

Then the only thing left is Saudi. And the Saudis are not stupid - they'll learn the lessons.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/20/2004 23:11 Comments || Top||

#28  OS - a regime change in Iran to a less-hostile gov't would be supported by all in Iraq but the assholes we encounter daily in ambushes and IEDs, who are most likely native Farsi-speaking insurgents. Screw them and kill them. As long as US troops and Iraqis don't invade, the Iranian people will welcome liberation
Posted by: Frank G || 07/20/2004 23:43 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Nepal pupils seized near capital
Police in Nepal are searching for a group of 50 pupils and teachers who were abducted from their school on the outskirts of the capital, Kathmandu. Police say Maoist terrorists rebels took the children away on Sunday at gunpoint. The Maoists have seized thousands of students and teachers over the years, but correspondents say this is the first abduction so near the capital. In the past, terrorists rebels have made abductees attend political and cultural programmes before freeing them. The terrorists rebels are fighting to replace Nepal's monarchy with a communist state. Nearly 9,050 9,000 people have died in eight years of violence in the kingdom.
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Iraq-Jordan
Jordan's female boxers go for glory
In a sweaty, testosterone-charged Amman gym, where Jordan's top boxers are honing their technique and fitness for next month's Olympics, there is a phenomenon that would appal many traditionalists in this conservative region. Next to the pumped up guys are a small squad of women boxers trying their hardest to punch each others' lights out. The women are not bound for the Olympics, but they have already achieved glory. They have become the first women boxers in the Arab Middle East. In doing so, they are striking a blow against the stereotypes of Arab women being weak and defenceless.

Sarah Alamiah, a 17-year-old student, grins out of the side of her mouth as she explains that the traditionalists regard the pioneering boxers as immoral. "I am not a bad girl," she says, "and I don't want people to think I am a bad girl. I just like the sport. I don't care what men think, I will do what I like. And what I want to do most of all is to take the guys on and beat them."
When you're ready, Sarah, we have some suggested stiffs opponents for you.
The idol of these aspiring fighters is Leila Ali, the daughter of the legendary former World Heavyweight Champion Mohammed Ali. All the girls say they would like to be good enough to eventually challenge her. The women's boxing team was established with the blessing of the progressive Jordanian Royal Family, which is doing its best to make the country a Middle Eastern beacon of gender equality. "Boxing is a universal sport and can be for men and women," says Algerian coach Benngadi Abdel Madjid, a former amateur world champion. "Why shouldn't the more conservative countries like Saudi Arabia follow Jordan's example?" Ibrahim Zaboub, a national amateur lightweight champion who will be shouldering Jordanian medal hopes during the forthcoming Olympic Games, agrees. "We have to take women's boxing seriously. Look at Mohammed Ali's daughter, she's a champion and she can even beat men."
I'll bet she could beat a lot of Saudis, heh.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/20/2004 12:44:44 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I didn't realize that women boxing had become an Olympic sport, If Tonya has entered, tell Sarah to wear knee protection to and from teh training facility.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/20/2004 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd pay to see one of those dipshit Saudi muttawas lay his little stick across the calf of one of these women! She'd box his ears and then stretch him out flat! Cool! I'm not sure what sort of damage they might have to endure, but if they've got the guts and gumption for it, then more power to 'em. Thx, Dr Steve!
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 1:08 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Fox and Gophers
Posted by: tipper || 07/20/2004 00:41 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Freeze gopher!!!
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/20/2004 1:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Wow. If most Canadians don't feel this way, then why do they vote for such morons? Must be that they do...

Time to give 'em what they want, eh?

Build the fence, shut the border, and bring those mfg jobs back. Sorry to have bothered you.
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 1:17 Comments || Top||

#3  SH, How about a coup? Instead of the Wild Geese, however, we'll send in the really hard boyz...
Posted by: .com || 07/20/2004 1:21 Comments || Top||

#4  then why do they vote for such morons?

It's only the one province that is full of morons that vote for the morons.

But actually, I'd concentrate on that southern border of yours. Economically speaking, it is much more of a threat than the mfg jobs you gave us up here in Canada.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/20/2004 1:26 Comments || Top||

#5  just another reason why i stopped drinking over priced canadian beer...
Posted by: Dan || 07/20/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Funny, because you may soon not be able to tell the difference: Molson and Coors in advanced discussions about 'merger of equals'

Actually, the great thing about Budweiser is that it tastes the same no matter where in the world you drink it.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/20/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
Amnesty Decries Widespread Rape in Darfur
Arab militias in Sudan are gang-raping and abducting girls as young as eight and women as old as 80, systematically killing, torturing, or using them as sex slaves, an Amnesty International report said yesterday. Militias known as Janjawid, which rights groups say are backed by the government, have been fighting rebels in Sudan's western Darfur region since last year, triggering one of the world's worst humanitarian crises. "When we tried to escape they shot more children," one woman identified only as A. told Amnesty researchers. "They raped women, I saw many cases of Janjawid raping women and girls. They are happy when they rape. They sing when they rape and they tell us that we are just slaves and that they can do with us how they wish." As many as 30,000 people have been killed in Darfur and more than a million displaced, their homes bombed by government planes, their crops stolen. In a report called "Rape as a Weapon of War", Amnesty outlines sexual violence against women it says is happening on a massive scale. It says Khartoum is actively violating its legal obligations to protect civilians. "Soldiers of the Sudan government army are present during attacks by the Janjawid and when rapes are committed, but the Sudan government has done nothing so far to stop them," Amnesty researcher Benedicte Goderiaux told a news conference.
Posted by: Fred || 07/20/2004 12:17:56 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
A black woman who decides she just has to be a Moslem ought to do so only far away from Arab Moslems.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/20/2004 8:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Remember when Kofi-Boy and Colin went to meet with refugees and somehow the entire place had been cleared out? What did we ever learn about that; nothing, I would bet. It's not on the UN calendar.
Posted by: jules 187 || 07/20/2004 9:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Please

Some reporter in Georgia - please have an in depth interview with Cythia McKinney on this.

Offer to fly her to Dakar to interview the Darfur victims.
Posted by: mhw || 07/20/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Presbyterian Jihad
Click on the source for plenty of links
Jewish liberals received a shock last week. The liberal Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) declared war on Israel at is annual General Assembly meeting, approving a divestment campaign from Israel with 87 percent of the vote, casting the Holy Land as the new South Africa. The shock was doubly painful since liberal Jews believe that liberal churches are supposed to be their allies in all kinds of common fights.

Jewish liberals frequently warn that Christian conservatives are not allies of the Jews and do not share Jewish values. There is a genuine fear by liberal Jews that other Jews might walk off the liberal plantation, and create bonds politically with Christian conservatives as a result of their support for Israel. Some Jews might even vote Republican. (Imagine that!) These criticisms have grown louder as Christian conservatives have become a very strong force supporting Israel in its war with Palestinian terrorism. Liberal Jews have even attacked that support, claiming it is based on Scripture, rather than on any real shared values, hence is not the kind of support Israel supposedly needs. According to this school of thought, liberal Christians who support Israel, presumably would do so for the right reasons, whatever those might be. (Israel's socialist economy? Its imperial judiciary?)

Of course, any liberal Jew who had an actual conversation with a Christian conservative supporter of Israel would be surprised to find out that the support for Israel is based on a variety of reasons, and not "just Scripture". It is ironic, of course, that among the "People of the Book," support for Israel based "on Scripture" is used as a metaphorical putdown. But for many Jews, secular humanism and liberalism has become their real religion of choice, whatever lip service they may pay to actual Judaism. The columns of Paul Krugman and Nicholas Kristof have become the modern Talmud.
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Posted by: tipper || 07/20/2004 12:17:22 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There has been this strain in the PCUSA forever. I went to school with the son of a minister who never met a looney protest he did not like, and was encouraged to do so by his father. At the most recent HS reunion in 2001, he hadn't changed, and I suspect even 9/11 didn't change him. This PCUSA has a gay liberation flag over their church in West Hollywood CA, and not a US flag. Enough said.
Posted by: BigEd || 07/20/2004 13:05 Comments || Top||

#2  A liberal church here in Tucson - situated on the town's main drag of Speedway Blvd. - hosts Friday nite demonstrations against "Israeli Occupation". This has been going on for years. These modern day brownshirts carry nary a poster condemning Sudan....mutatis mutandis...
Posted by: borgboy || 07/20/2004 22:58 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Arafat Fails to Defuse Political Crisis
Yasser Arafat tried to quell an unprecedented challenge to his leadership yesterday by naming a new security chief over the head of his unpopular cousin, but failed to get an endorsement from the militant faction of his Fatah movement. He also failed to persuade his prime minister from retracting his resignation. After a night of armed clashes between the security services and militants traditionally loyal to Arafat, the veteran leader said Abdel Razzek Al-Majeida would take overall responsibility for general security in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Arafat's cousin Moussa Arafat, who had originally been named as general security chief after a weekend revamp of the myriad security apparatus, will remain head of general security in Gaza but will be under Majeida. Ismail Jaber will be head of the same service in the West Bank.

But the latest shake-up failed to silence criticism from the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades which said the appointment of Majeida, who was general security chief for Gaza as recently as Saturday, was "another attempt to fool people and is a way of circumventing reforms and change", and repeated demands for Moussa to be sacked. Supporters of Majeida unleashed celebratory volleys of gunfire outside his offices in Gaza City after the appointment, just two days after he was shunted off into an advisory role. Gunmen opposed to Moussa Arafat battled security forces on Sunday in clashes that left 18 people wounded.

Arafat is facing the sharpest challenge to his rule since Palestinians received a measure of self-rule a decade ago, and some fear it could eventually boil over in civil war. The confrontation is also widely seen as a power struggle between Arafat's old guard and younger rivals staking out turf before Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon carries out a plan to remove Jewish settlements from Gaza Strip by the end of 2005. Compounding Arafat's woes was Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei's decision on Saturday to tender his resignation after brief abductions on Friday of four French aid workers, a police chief and another official in Gaza. Arafat rejected Qorei's resignation on Sunday. After a Cabinet meeting yesterday, Qorei said his resignation would stand pending a written response from Arafat.
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Posted by: Fred || 07/20/2004 12:14:08 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Eventually boil over into civil war? I think it's already started . . . and about time, too.
Posted by: The Doctor || 07/20/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#2  the paleos are finally realizing that the emperor has no clothes. He's a sham. He's no "hero" -- in fact, his greedy, corrupt fat hands have been stuffing his pockets for years. When people start to think about that, he simply screams about Israel and they stop thinking. What a scam!

Emperor Arafat has no clothes.

And now, the paleos are seeing him for what he is. The irony is that they're finally waking up to what Israel has been saying all along! What sweet irony -- the terrorists agree with Israel.

If only they'd realized that a decade ago -- they'd have a country by now.

But they were too busy trying to eradicate the region of Jooooos.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/20/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||



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