Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah held talks with Jordan's King Abdallah on major international issues including the situation in Palestine and Iraq.
That'd be Yasser and Fallujah, two more defeats to come in rapid succession...
The talks between King Fahd and King Abdallah covered the latest developments at Arab, Islamic and international levels, the Saudi Press Agency reported. The two sides also discussed ways of strengthening bilateral ties, it added. King Abdallah, who arrived here earlier in the day, was accompanied by a high-level delegation including Prince Ali ibn Hussein, Prime Minister Faisal Al-Fayez and Personal Adviser Yousuf Al-Dalabeeh. Riyadh Governor Prince Salman, Prince Saud ibn Fahd, deputy director of intelligence, and Muhammad Al-Nuwaiser, chief of the royal court, also attended the talks. Prince Abdullah earlier met with the Jordanian king separately at Al-Safa Palace in Makkah and discussed major issues including Palestine and Iraq and ways of strengthening cooperation between the two countries, SPA said. Prince Sultan, second deputy premier and minister of defense and aviation, Prince Miteb, minister of public works and housing, Interior Minister Prince Naif and Makkah Governor Prince Abdul Majeed attended the meeting.
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It's been my belief that at the end of the (coming) post Arafat "unpleasantness," Jordon's King Abdullah II will allow himself to be "drafted" to rescue the Palestinian people from themselves. Reluctantly, *of course*. And so once again the West Bank will be under Jordanian administration.
But first, a lot of the bad guys have to kill each other.
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Oh, the Jordanians have never had a problem with killing paleos per say. Arafat got lucky and missed the end of a party Arafish threw in Jordan and King Abdallah's father the former King (god rest his soul) finished.
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perhaps they were discussing the transition to Hashemite re-control over Soddy? One can dream.....
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"Arafat got lucky and missed the end of a party Arafish threw in Jordan and King Abdallah's father the former King (god rest his soul) finished."
Ah, yes. "Black September" (the event, not the terrorist group) King Abdullah's dad really knew how to "party." And Abdullah has always struck me as being "his father's son" if you know what I mean. If there's someone who could give the Palestinians a chance at nationhood, he’s the one. But only as a "white knight," I don't think it'll be viable if it's widely viewed as an outside takeover. Once in though, he’ll have the stones to put down the bad guys – just like his dad did 34 years ago.
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Dave
Perhaps you don't remember but the Palestinians tried to assassinate King Hussein and to take control of Jordan, just as they had de facto taken control of Lebanon. King Hussein was undertstably upset and the Jordans has only to look at Lebanon (did you know that the shia tchador was created to mark lebanese shia women as Palestinian allies and not to be raped) to get good reasons to fight.
#7
That's the spirit, Lucky. We are thankful for your recovery. We can see it in the posts every day. Rantburg is good therapy, not kidding here. Glad to have you back!
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"the Palestinians tried to assassinate King Hussein and to take control of Jordan, just as they had de facto taken control of Lebanon"
Good point. (Actually, I do remember.) After the Palestinian’s assassination and coup attempt, the good King was justifiably pissed and forced Arafat and his terrorists OUT of Jordan. There's been bad blood ever since. Now, after Arafat was forced OUT of Jordan, he THEN had to go somewhere. That somewhere was Lebanon. Arafat was far more successful there than he was in Jordan, in fact Lebanon is STILL screwed up, due in part to Arafat's 1970's destabilization efforts. (Whatever else Lebanon is, it is an object lesson of what happens with a tepid response to terrorist provocation)
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He didn't just force Arafish out they killed a shed load of paleos and would have killed Arafish too if he hadn't run to Lebanon. Jordan would love to have as much of the west bank back as they could get if it came without the paleos.
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Lucky at least you can sit some at the computer now. Afer my cancer surgery I couldn't set in my chair and I had a foley for about 3 weeks.(no extra charge to the infection) It was like 4 weeks before I could get back online for just a short periods. But I am alive and cancer free now so I am happy as hell to be here and I wasn't using that part much anyway.
#13
I remember a recurring scenario well before Lebanese Civil War: Palestinians perpetrate a terrorrist act from Lebanon, Israel retaliates against Paleos and Lebanon, the Lebanese Army then try to curb Palestinian attacks against Israel (to avoid being hit again) but is defeated. I don't remember if this started before or after Black September. However I doubt very much that Palestinian's contempt towards the laws of the hosting state, thuggish behaviour or their attittude towards local women was something who started in 1970.
AN anti-nuclear activist died in France after his leg was cut off by a train transporting nuclear waste while he was sitting on a railway track, France's SNCF railway operator said today.
"The driver noticed a group of people sitting on the tracks.
"Some of them got up. He pulled the emergency brake, but one of the people remained sitting, and one of his legs was cut off and he has died," a spokeswoman for SNCF said.
The accident happened close to the town of Avricourt in eastern France, the SNCF said.
The train had left Valognes in northern France and was heading to the storage facility in the German village of Gorleben.
Anti-nuclear activists protesting against such shipments have clashed violently with police in previous years.
In 2002, protesters disrupted the passage of a train by setting tyres alight on the tracks and chaining themselves to the rails.
In the northern German town of Dannenberg, where the casks of radioactive material were to be loaded onto a convoy of trucks and driven a few kilometres to Gorleben, thousands of people protested.
Environmental group Greenpeace has said the Gorleben storage site, in a disused salt mine, is unsafe over the long term and risks contaminating ground water.
#2
with the potential hijacking of n-waste for a dirty bomb, wht would he stop? Run them the F*&K over!
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Now this imbecile is worth of a Darwin and our contempt. Did they learn notheing from Port Chicago?
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The Science Fiction writer Jerry Pournelle suggested the best method of dealing with these morons I've ever seen. Pile up all the radioactive waste in the desert and put a big fence around it with signs that say, "If you cross this fence you will die." The morons will cross the fence, and die of radiation poisoning and the average IQ goes up a few tenths of a percentage point.
#1
I can't believe I read the whole thing.. The guy has got fecal matter for brains. The Flemish are correct assimilate or leave. The have a right to their own culture. They are a minority. Arabic people don't understand what should be obvious to them apperently.
#2
I just read it,to cut to the heart of the matter.This d-ass says it is all the fault of bigotted Euor's.No mention of gang rapes of girls who are dressed"inapropriatly",no mention of honor killings,nothing about Islamic hatred and bigotry aginst anyone/thing that is Un-Islamic,not a word about the urging to/teaching of violence spewing from Madrasas and Mosques.SPoD tends to be a little to hard core for me but in this case I agree absolutly.Assimalate or leave.
#4
"...The Arab community in Europe is to be compared with the black minority in the US..."
Maybe, but I don't see any rising Martin Luther King preaching non-violence. I wonder if our black Rantburgers agree with his comment or are offended by it.
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Europe's complex interplay with Islam appears to stand at a tipping-point, and the slaying of a Dutchman who made a movie critical of Islam could indicate one direction in which it is headed. "The Muslims say they're scared," said mourner Nicolette Toering. "No, we're scared." Dutch authorities were investigating whether the chief suspect, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan man detained shortly after the attack, acted alone out of rage or had links to wider extremist networks.
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Tolerant? That is just what you tell us non muslims. Those assclowns that killed Van Gogh will kill you too. Your most holy teaching tells them, to kill anyone they think is apostate. So you don't give tham any excuses, you cover for them and lie about your religion. We are done being your suckers. I am not intolerant I am anti-suicidal.
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To All Rantburgers,
I'll eat my hat if the stupid Europeans will do anything about the Van Gogh murder.
They are experts in beautiful words and denials.
They will truely wake up only when its too late.
They will never understand that when the Islamics
say they are Dhimmi, they really mean it.
I predict a lot of beheadings in Europe within the next few years and a lot of train bombings, and other favorite traditional islamic activities.
After all, it is European money that kept Arab
terrorist training camps, hate-mongering mosques and propaganda factories well financed. So you can say the Europeans are getting what they payed for.
Who said there is no Poetic Justice ????
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Elder of Zion, you may be surprised. Since the murder a number of Dutch politicians have come out saying they have gotten death threats. Dots are waiting to be connected and even children can play connect the dots.
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If Moslems launch a systematic terrorist war in Europe, that will be the end of the EU and in particular the freedom of movement between countries (aka Schengen rules).
I think this scenario is unavoidable now, as there are too many seething, un-integrated Moslems in the EU to manage. Can't kick them out fast enough. Can't integrate them at all. It's too late. (I plan to get my relatives out over the next few years.)
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Kalle> "that will be the end of the EU and in particular the freedom of movement between countries (aka Schengen rules)."
This may be just a nitpick but the Schengen rules is not "aka" the freedom of movement, but rather a superset and expansion of the freedom of movement. Freedom of movement existed before Schengen (no visas required and so forth), what Schengen did is abolish internal border controls.
Right now I'm still free to move to UK or Ireland for example, without a visa but *with* a passport, even though UK and Ireland aren't part of Schengen.
Schengen didn't even exist a handful of years ago, so even if we returned to a pre-Schengen state, this won't be *that* dramatic a change. It'll only mean spending a few extra minutes at each border (or airport) getting our passports checked.
Distraught over the re-election of President George W. Bush, a Georgia man traveled to New York City, went to Ground Zero and killed himself with a shotgun blast, police said yesterday. He betray'uhd this cuntruh. He play'ud on ahr fears! - Al Gore
The suicide victim, Andrew Veal, 25, was discovered just before 8 a.m. yesterday when a worker for the Millennium Hotel looking at Ground Zero from an upper floor saw a man lying atop the concrete structure through which the 1 and 9 subway lines run. Bush knew about 9-11 in advance - Howard Dean
The worker, thinking the man was sleeping, alerted colleagues and the Port Authority police were notified. But when they got to Veal's body, they realized he had killed himself with a shot to the head from a .12-gauge shotgun. You have to be crazy to vote for them - John Edwards
No suicide note was found, but according to a Port Authority police source, family members said Veal, a registered Democrat, was despondent over Bush's defeat of Sen. John Kerry. A second source said Veal, who lived in Athens, Ga., and worked for the University of Georgia, was also adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq. I want to fight a more sensitive war on teror - John Kerry
More than three years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Ground Zero remains a top tourist attraction, the site rife with symbolism. "Farenheit 911" is a true documentary - Michael Moore
Visitors there yesterday reacted in different ways to news of Veal's suicide. Bobbie Jensen, 54, a Republican from Phoenix, said that while she understood how Bush's victory disturbed those who dislike him, Ground Zero is not the place to act on those emotions. Vote (Kerry) or die - Tupac Shakur
"You can be upset about the war, about Bush, but this is a sacred place," she said. "You got to accept what happened and not kill yourself." But Frank Franca, an East Village artist and registered Democrat, suggested the suicide was symbolic. If Bush wins, I moving back to Europe - George Soros
"I'm very moved by it," he said. "Obviously, this person was devastated. I can see why he would come here." F*** F*** F*** F*** F*** - Alexandra Kerry, after her father's concession
Franca's friend, Jeffim Kuznetsov, a 25-year-old student from Russia who lives in Atlanta, said the suicide is evidence of how deeply many Americans were affected by Kerry's defeat. F*** F*** F*** F*** F*** - Vanessa Kerry, after her father's concession
"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy." Those damn gardeners - act like they don't speak English - Terayza Heinz Kerry
Another visitor to Ground Zero, Arushi Raval, 34, a businesswoman who lives in Chelsea, said Veal might have been active in campaigning for Kerry, only to taste defeat. I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot. - John F'ing Kerry when he knew Ohio went to Bush
"Maybe he felt ineffective," she said of the victim. You feel ineffective if you tried and it all failed. I know so many New Yorkers who are depressed over this." This poor bastard was whipped into a frenzy by idiotic rhetoric, and felt trapped. All the above folks have his blood on their hands.
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What kind of moron would kill himself because an election went this way or that way? and to travel to Ground Zero and desecrate it like that?
Didn't he have a life? values? ambitions? personal purpose? friends?
#2
Halleluja!
Another liberal aborted! Isn't that great?
The sick son-of-a-bitch should have been aborted at birth but his mother was too busy sucking up to a liberal somewhere and forgot. Well, all good things come to those who wait and it finally came to this sorry son-of-a-bitch. I bet he is having a ball with the rest of those islamo fascists who thought they were going to live happily ever after with the 70 virgins.
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she understood how Bush’s victory disturbed those who dislike him - She was misquoted and in fact said - she understood how the disturbed disliked Bush’s victory.
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Okay, this won't be popular here at Rantburg, but I'll tell you all what I've told those on the left:
It is time for this country to pull together. Conservatives are just as guilty as liberals of indulging in corrosive hateful rhetoric.
Blowing off a little steam is okay. But there comes a point where a little self-discipline is needed, because we are facing a 20 yr war here folks.
I am a moderate / centrist with some libertarian, conservative, and democratic leanings. I voted Bush/Cheney this year for a variety of reasons, among them the puerile, irresponsible hate aimed at GWB by many on the left -- and particularly because no liberal leaders denounced it.
But if the conservatives indulge in the same irresponsible hate, you will find me voting on the other side next time.
Sorry to be a downer on the post-election glee. I think most here at RB know how seriously I take the GWOT and our work in Iraq. But even they are only one part of the challenges we face for a generation.
I'm 53. I don't relish the idea that most of the rest of my life will be taken up with responding to massive geopolitical, economic and demographic shifts around the globe. But there it is -- they ARE happening and it is by no means certain we will cope with them well. It will take all of us working together to make that happen.
Please guys - be better than the LLL. Don't sink to their level. The country and the world need the best you can offer.
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Robin's one of those folks who have joined this chorus calling LGF a hate site.
Hey Robin, how about apply all those sentiments to yourself first and we'll see how things go?
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I figured joecool was in his cups at 3:54 on Sunday morning. But I have to speak up in Robin's defence. It'd be a loss for rb if she stopped visiting.
I don't know how to describe LGF, but I hope Rantburg doesn't become LGF Lite. One is enough.
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badanov, when have I called LGF a hate site?
There is hateful language in the comments at LGF sometimes but I have never called the site a hate site. I think Charles walks a fine line and doesn't quite cross over it.
Just to be clear here: I voted for Bush. I came out of semi-retirement after 9/11 to teach at West Point. I live among military and support their efforts. I will put my life on the line, if necessary, to oppose Islmacist violence and I have made it clear to many on the left that right now I see conservatives working for principles I hold dear.
But I will be damned if I'll be silent when Americans indulge in hate -- whether it comes from the left or the right. I care about this country and do not want to see it degraded that way. And don't kid yourself -- hate does degrade us in deep and harmful ways.
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hateful speech wrong? - yep. Moonbat-bashing? I'll partake! The level of hateful rhetoric has been on high on the left for a LONG time. We should show them the level of respect they deserve: none. The only concern is, as RB notes, degrading yourself. Just IMHO
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Well, then, I stand corrected, but the hate charge is bogus. I know of one or two who has expressed true hatred for one thing or another in RB and they have been reined in.
I have not read anyone 'indulging' in hatred. What I have read are conservatives expressing hatred for an armed enemy of the United States and there is little wrong with that, but I have yet to see any racism or sexism or any other 'ism' the left has defined for us in the last fifty years.
I take it you are one of those folks who will be leaving the right as soon as politics break for your side. Too bad. And as soon as anyone from windsofchange.net engages in hate speech I will remind you of your post. Enjoy your stay.
#10
I've never claimed to be on the right. If I have to choose a label, 'sane neo-libertarian' is as good as any.
Moonbat bashing is a fine and noble sport. I have no problems with highlighting and making fun of the rantings of Michael Moore on the left (or of Ann Coulter on the right) -- not to mention the real dingbat libertarians that roam the blogosphere.
But IMO joecool goes way too far with this sort of thing:
Halleluja! Another liberal aborted! Isn't that great? The sick son-of-a-bitch should have been aborted at birth but his mother was too busy sucking up to a liberal somewhere and forgot.
That is hate and it undermines us all when it is allowed to go unchallenged.
As for Winds of Change, if any of you ever do see unchallenged hate over there, please do indeed call us on it. Because Joe, I and the rest of the WOC team work hard to make that particular blog a place for strenuous but respectful dialogue.
That's not quite the purpose of RB and that's fine. There's room for both types of blogs and for LGF as well. Bottom line: I'm counting on you guys to help us defeat Islamacist terror and to help this country respond well to the broader challenges we face. We need you at your best, not your worst.
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LGF???
Anyway, this kid was obviously disturbed long before the re-election of George Bush.
This in a small way proves something I think most of us have suspected before, many of the far left wacko's are emotional cripples.
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good, Robin. Joecool is not a frequent commenter here, and yes, way over the top in that post. I would only note that the death of such an obviously disturbed person was in no way caused by the W victory, but of course, the MSM and the dipshits noted from East Village won't acknowledge that....
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"This poor bastard was whipped into a frenzy by idiotic rhetoric, and felt trapped. All the above folks have his blood on their hands."
That's about as good a summation as any.
The leadership of the Democratic Party made a conscious, deliberate decision to tap into the fury of the far Left, to whip it into a high fever pitch, and to exploit it for political advantage-- and both Tuesday's election debacle and this poor SOB's suicide are the direct result of that choice.
It didn't have to be this way: they could have left the Michael Mooreites, the A.N.S.W.E.R. crowd, and the rest of the foamers and droolers on the margins where they belonged. And had they done so, they could have won the election with a candidate and platform that reflected support for the war and a set of social programs more attractive than GWB's.
But they didn't; instead, they gave Michael Moore a seat of honor next to Jimmy Carter at their convention, thus ratifying a conscious choice to become the Party of Hate.
And this poor guy's suicide is one of the results.
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Please give me a break. You've got to be pretty weak minded to kill yourself over that. I find it hard to believe he would kill himself over that. I'm sure there were other issues. If the election WAS the reason why he did it, then I'm sure when Britney Spears stopped making records, or his carton of milk's date of expiration had expired, it would have provided him with his next opportunity for dramatics. Mommy should have given him more hugs.
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Please give me a break. You've got to be pretty weak minded to kill yourself over that. I find it hard to believe he would kill himself over that. I'm sure there were other issues. If the election WAS the reason why he did it, then I'm sure when Britney Spears stopped making records, or his carton of milk's date of expiration had expired, it would have provided him with his next opportunity for dramatics. Mommy should have given him more hugs.
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It's funny also because for all the invective joecool engaged in I saw it as over the top but ultimately harmless, albeit very accurate commentary.
And as it is, joecool's point should be well taken. It's called the Roe effect. Democrats are so in love with politics there is nothing they won't do to win elections.
They advocate abortion on demand and abortion is a democrat's sole purview, but guess what? The effect of Roe v. Wade is that there are lesser liberals than conservatives because liberals have aborted over the years a number of potential democratic voters.
The youth vote? According to James Taranto of The Best of the Web, it was aborted over the years.
If you don't like the concept of cheering an abortion maybe we should engage in some meaningful dialogue about abortion. After all it is the left that loves abortions, why is this event any different? Why is it hate to cheer an abortion when the right does it but not when they left does it?
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Hey, I've never quite trusted those 12 guages. I'm a pistol and rifle woman myself ....
Speaking of which -- I finally am legal. Hooah! Got my pistol permit in the great? state of New York this week. The interviewers gulped when they saw the list of handguns Roger and I own, but since he competes regularly (and successfully) in several competitive shooting leagues and has had his permit for several years, they approved mine as well.
It's restricted to just hunting and practice/competition shooting for now (sigh) ... after a year or two I can try for full carry. It chafes me to have this whole smothering process!
Have a great day RB'ers. Spouse and I are heading off to the range later this morning.
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Well, between moonbats offing themselves is despair, and left-wing pinkos fleeing the country for Kanadar or Noose-eeland - come 2008, I wonder how the voting trend will play out ........
This could become a tremendous self-sustaining obliteration of the Dim-o-grads.
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All this hate speech debate aside, the guy who shot himself was a complete moron. If Kerry had won, I would not have been ventilating my skull with a 12-gauge. If I were that melodramatic and immature, I'd have done it years ago when Clinton won!
What really kills me is the remark from that idiot friend of his from Russia: "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy." Pray tell, what is this democracy you speak of? Why don't you go back to Russia and see if you can find it there, asshat?
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Hmmmm...
Well this guy had issues that went well beyond the election as has been noted.
What I find shocking is that in Chuck Schummers back yard this guy was able to walk in with a shot gun and off himself? Lots of people walk around NYC with shot guns? Also it's so messy 12 I mean eeeewwwweeee.
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Allright - Since I am guilty of putting this article up here, I want to put a more definitive two-cents in...
Actually Dave D. in #13 got my point exactly.
Robin Burk has some astute observations as well...some that we'd be all wise to consider even if we don't agree with her 100% - after all this blog IS called RANTBURG.
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Conservatives are just as guilty as liberals of indulging in corrosive hateful rhetoric.
Sorry, gotta call BS on that point. For every Ann Coulter I'll show you five Al Frankens / Michael Moores. In other words, the frequency of occurrences hasn't been accounted for.
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I think a lot of this is the fault of the DNC and the left - they did deliberately embrace Mike Al-Moore and the 'I hate bush' crowd and whip the extream left in to a frenzy.
Yes there are 'hate' sites on both sides but the Republicians have not embraced, and emboldened, the radical right as much as the Democrats had their radical left. Think A.N.S.W.E.R. Think MOVEON.ORG (Bush = Hitler). And the ratio of violence in this election was done overwhelming on the democratic side.
As for this guy - there must have been something else which helped tip him over. Perhaps drugs, perhaps the hate destroyed his marriage / social life. Who knows?
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The 100th trimester abortion of Mr. Veal is as regrettable as was predictable. In adopting as their own and bringing into the mainstream the despicable and vitriolic far left, Democrats have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they value power above all else including the well being and continued survival of our nation. Mark Steyn described this state of affairs as, "The Michael Mooronification of the Democratic Party." This poor schmuck is no more than a sad side effect of the forces the Democrats have loosed.
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Ah, I see, that hateful, shallow, site of inequity, LGF. Well, in that case, I'll just keep bringing the best I have to offer to both Rantburg and LGF.
#32
Getting back on topic: I'm all for peace love and understanding, but there's nothing in this idiot's act that evokes sympathy, no matter what your political persuasion.
He's distraught, can't bear the thought his guy lost? Fine. He wants to pack it in-- OK, some people have suicidal tendencies. So then he decides to make a political statement with his suicide, and what location does he choose? A bridge, a tower? No, he chooses as the site for his statement the site of an act of war against America that resulted in the slaughter of three thousand civilians.
What can this possibly mean? Obviously, this selection was not made in sympathy with the poor victims of the jihadist warriors--after all, these victims' deaths were of course not voluntary. The clear implication of this act is that it was intended as a protest against the memory of 9/11 itself. It is in effect a gesture of solidarity with the perpetrators of this attack.
Disgusting. Beneath contempt. This man's fetid corpse should be thrown in a lower east side dumpster for the rats to devour, the bones to be tossed into the East River. When the idiotarians who have taken hold of my party recognize this elemental moral truth, then, and only then, can this nation begin to advance toward understanding.
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I also call bs on the statement that the right's rhetoric = left's rhetoric. In a rational universe, conversation should have stopped as soon as one side called the other liars, racists, bigots, homophobes, morons, etc.
There is still a lot of anger out there on the right, but I don't think it started with them.
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"This poor schmuck is no more than a sad side effect of the forces the Democrats have loosed."
To be fair, he was probably already a couple bricks shy of a full hod to begin with, and the extreme Donk rhetoric was just the final straw-- both the extremity of its hatefulness as well as its duration. This has been going on non-stop for four solid years, with only a couple months break right after 9/11.
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The Democrats have openly embraced and elevated groups that are every bit as vile and dangerous as, for example, the Klan. If we see the Grand Kleagle of the KKK sitting beside an ex-Republican president at the next RNC I might believe that the right has sunk as low as the left but the fact is that today there's absolutely objective basis to draw that conclusion.
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I don't think RKB was saying right's rehtoric=left's rhetoric but that we shouldn't let it drift that way.
This poor guy was a sicko. As far as I know he could have said the man in the moon made him do it like eighty other people did themselves in that night. In that case he would have been allowed to die the pathetic private death he deserves. Instead he blamed it on Kerry and Bush, so he gets a news story. Hardly worth comment, let alone vitriol.
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The right has a long tradition of isolating the radical right, started by Buckley's campaign to isolate the Birchers and continued to this day. The left has never had an equivalent, and instead embraces its radicals. This year we've seen the left's radicals nearly capture the Democrat party, with the party's supposed "centrists" assisting.
AzCat (#35): The Democrats didn't just let the "Grand Kleagle" sit in the presidential box, they let him run in the primaries and speak at the convention. "Reverend" Sharpton has an incomparable record of race hatred, yet he's welcome at the highest levels of the Democrat party.
If the rhetoric is going to be toned down, the left has to start cleaning its own house. Insist that the thugs be punished, even if they are union or animal rights or anti-globalization thugs. Ostracize the radicals, instead of embracing them or celebrating them.
Until that begins -- and begins in earnest, not as a show -- the Democrats will be pulled farther and farther left and politics will get nastier and nastier.
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AzCat, isn't the KKK in ideology and history closer to the Democrats?
Back to the "hate" debate: there is a huge difference between the leftist mouth-foaming and the non-leftist excitement in this country. Just walk into a bookstore if you need evidence.
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Kalle most KKKers were Democrats, Those nasty Republicans freed the slaves. Kalle the Democrats want you to forget that history that is as recent as 1970's and 1980's. Senator Byrd was a KKKer. That history is forgoten and all that evil is now blamed on the Republicans that never had any thing to do with it. The lynchers were southern democrats.
Robert I remember as a Kid the big bllboard on a Wall in my town "Get us out of the UN now" that a John Birch Society member had on his business now I agree with that. That damm sign has be up for 40 years at least. When I was a kid my one of my older brothers married a gal and her dad was a "Bircher" I was told by my Democrat mom. She was none to pleased. My Republican dad was really not pleased.
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I've just (briefly) looked at the John Birch society website (http://www.jbs.org) and it just seems to be a society that wants to defend the constitution and get the US out of the UN.
What am I missing?
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mellowed with time and the fall of the Soviet Union
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Tony, in the 60s and 70s, Birchers were close to white supremacists and buried large caches of arms in the California desert. That did not endear them to the FBI and they are far more marginalized now. At a time of unrest on the left, however, they threatened separatist unrest on the far right. As Robert Crawford says, the right repudiated them but the left over time embraced many of its own extremists. (Some tried to be revolutionaries and were jailed instead.)
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Well, that's cleared that up for me. Thanks for that Frank and rkb! - much better than google ;)
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Tony, Check this out on General Edwin Walker. While not a card carrying Bircher, this gives a good idea of the tone of the times. Between Birchism, Mc Carthyism, Vietnam, and the riots of 1967-68 you can see why I dismiss a lot of the talk about how divided a nation we are today. These people just don't know their history.
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Thanks Mrs. Davis, he sounds a bit like General Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, although his wartime record was nothing to sniff at!
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Kalle - I chose the Klan as an example merely because a Republican embrace of their cause would be the equivalent of the current Democratic embrace of its own radical left, not because I was trying to draw an association between racists and the Republican Party. The "racist Republican" is a canard that became extremely popular with the left following Nixon's unfortunate southern strategy.
Robert is exactly correct in that the Republicans have traditionally done an excellent job of marginalizing their radical fringe while Democrats have embraced theirs. Stunning examples of the dichotomy can be found in the political careers of Robert Byrd and David Duke.
Full disclosure: I'm not a registered Republican but I, for the first time in my life, voted a straight Republican ticket in this election. I will continue to do so until such a time as I am convinced that adults are again in charge of the Democratic party. Could be a long wait....
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Tony, the model for GEN Jack D. Ripper in Strangelove was probably USAF GEN Curtis LeMay. LeMay didn't talk much about social issues, but he was widely regarded as a "nuke them first and ask questions later" strategist whom others in the defense establishment kept on something of a leash.
BTW, the model for Dr. Strangelove himself was (mostly) Herman Kahn, a nuclear physicist who while with the Rand Corporation wrote Thinking About the Unthinkable and On Thermonuclear War, which amazingly are still in print. I had a chance to meet Kahn several times in the early 70s - he is the single brightest and most fascinating person I've ever encountered. He left Rand and founded the Hudson Institute when he wanted to move beyond defense analysis to look at long term social and economic trends -- work for which the Japanese government and others honored him highly. He encouraged the leaders of the Institute to move it away from Westchester County NY after his death, to the midwest, on the grounds that important social movements would coalesce there and the east coast establishment were tone deaf about them. Was that insightful or what???
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Tony, Ripper may be a composite that included parts of Walker. As rkb has pointed out, there is a lot of Curt LeMay in Jack D. Ripper. But there is also a lot of Curt in George Scott's General Bud Turgidson character as well.
The closest characterization to Walker is probably that of Gen. James Mattoon Scott in John Frankenheimer's Seven Days in May.
The tone of the times is also indicated by the mainstream films mentioned above and others such as Fail Safe, On the Beach, The Manchurian Candidate, The Bedford Incident and Advise and Consent.
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Having watched the campaign over the past year and a half, this whole idea of conservatives having been as guilty as liberals in engaging in "hateful" or "corrosive" rhetoric is preposterous.
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Not "as guilty" ... but there's some guilt there on the part of Coulter and her ilk.
I do think the left has poisoned itself badly with their deliberate cultivation of hate - if they're not careful, Kos and his buddies will destroy what's left of the Democratic party. I'd just like us not to do the same on the right.
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Big Ed , great added quotes from the Dems which played a part in pushing this poor schnook off the deep end.
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Bid Ed, Tupac could not have said anything, it was P. Diddy who was on the 'Vote or Die' kick. That's cool. maybe nobody noticed ;) I am not so sure Tupac, if here, would have been screaming for Kerry to win. The only thing Kerry knows about the hood, is Hood milk.
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I don't pay much attention to RAP. You are right - P Diddy said vote or die - my booboo.
It was called "Operation Baghdad" and, to be sure, the headless bodies of the three police officers recalled the violence in that city. But these attacks happened in Haiti, not in Iraq
The brutal beheadings in Iraq appear to have inspired militants in other parts of the world who are drawn to the shock value of the horrifying attacks and the intense publicity they attract.
Thailand and the Netherlands are two other countries where suspected extremists recently beheaded or slit the throats of their victims in what appear to be copycat attacks.
Rime Allaf, associate fellow at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said beheadings are spreading because the practice "has so horrified us in the West."
"It achieves results and it makes the headlines," Allaf added. "People are talking about groups that we've never heard about before."
The horrifying tactic has spread as far as the Caribbean island nation of Haiti, where loyalists of ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide seized on the Iraqi beheadings as a symbol of strength and intimidation.
The headless bodies of three police officers were found in Port-au-Prince early last month, and authorities said the militants had launched a terror campaign called "Operation Baghdad."
Nobody claimed responsibility for the decapitations, but Aristide supporters echoed that thought.
"We'll be in the streets until death or Aristide comes back," protester Milo Fenelon said a few days later. "We won't stop. If they come in here, we're going to cut off their heads. It's going to be just like Baghdad."
In Thailand this week, a Buddhist village leader was beheaded after being shot in the chest. A note was left on his body saying his slaying was to avenge the killing of Muslim rioters by government forces.
And in Amsterdam, a suspected Islamic extremist shot and killed Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, then slit his throat. A note was left impaled by a knife on his body quoting from the Quran and threatening more killings.
"It's an ideal terrorist tool," said Jonathan Stevenson, senior fellow for counterterrorism at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Washington. "It is a horrifying image and I would say it is disproportionately frightening."
The first beheading by Islamic militants in Iraq was the slaying in May of American civilian Nicholas Berg. The killers posted a video on the Internet showing them pushing a bound Berg to his side, putting a large knife to his neck and cutting off his head as a scream sounded and the killers shouted "Allahu akbar!" — "God is great!"
A month later, an al-Qaida-linked Saudi group beheaded an American engineer in Saudi Arabia. The group did not mention Iraq but the executioners called themselves the "Fallujah Brigade" after the city in Iraq that U.S. forces had been besieging.
Since then, at least 12 foreigners, including three other Americans, have been beheaded in Iraq as part of a wave of kidnappings. Videos and the Internet were used to distribute the horrifying images across the world, compounding the shock value.
"I think the initial reason for the beheadings was true shock and awe," Allaf said. "These people are extremely media savvy."
The first beheading of a foreigner touted by Islamic militants was that of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, slain in Pakistan in 2002.
Decapitations had previously occurred in Algeria, Kashmir (news - web sites), Chechnya (news - web sites) and the Muslim-dominated southern Philippines but had rarely been used in past militant attacks in the Middle East.
The high-profile killings have inspired some revulsion from Muslims and in recent days there has been a heated debate on Web sites as to whether Islam endorses beheadings.
Mainstream scholars and intellectuals also have spoken out against beheadings, with some saying that the bloody practice is tarnishing the name of Muslims across the world.
"Beheadings and (the) mutilation of bodies stand against Islam," said Egypt's foremost religious leader, Mohammed Sayed Tantawi.
The shock value also has been decreasing with so many beheadings in Iraq, experts say, and newspapers and television stations are devoting less time and space to the killings.
"The benefit of these spectacular kidnappings and beheadings is going down and down," said Michael Radu, a terrorism analyst at the Foreign Policy Research Institute in Philadelphia.
"Sooner rather than later terrorists will have a problem in that killing innocents is not bringing them what they want and what they want is spectacular media coverage," he said. "Terrorism is part theater. When the theater part of it is cut off, then it doesn't make sense to kill or kidnap people."
NEW DELHI — Labelling India and Pakistan, the two Koreas and the Middleast as "three areas of tension", Dr Hans Blix, former Chairman of the UN weapons inspection team in Iraq, yesterday said international community would have to have a deeper look at what had led to this. "Concerns are particularly great about Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middleast, on the Indian and Korean peninsulas and about such weapons in the hands of reckless governments and non-state actors using terrorist methods," the former top Swedish official said.
When Dubya did something about this, however, Hans was opposed.
Strongly calling for a major international initiative on cooperation in policing clandestine money flow and money laundering, Blix said this was essential to stop illegal international nuclear material trade.
Remind us, Hans, who uncovered and stopped the Khan network?
Blix, speaking at the Hindustan Times sponsored 'Leadership Initiative', focused on the possibilities of Iran and North Korea acquiring nuclear weapons in the near future, but ruled out the use of Iraq-like inspections to dissuade these nations from weaponising.
Asserting that the United States should again be a leader in arms control and disarmament should help ratify a global test ban treaty to encourage other nuclear powers to do so. "US ratification of a comprehensive test ban treaty would be likely to have a positive domino effect on China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and Israel," said Blix.
Because they'd act in unison to ignore us. Gawd, he really is an idiot, isn't he?
"It would make the development of new types of nuclear weapons much more difficult," Blix told a two-day conference on India's growing political and economic role in the world.
Especially with a watchdog like the IAEA around.
Speaking on the prevention of nuclear weapons from falling into the hands of rogue states and terrorists, Blix said attempts by the United States to develop new types of nuclear weapons would not induce others to disarm and renounce weapons of mass destruction. However, if Washington were to resume its leadership role in arms control and nuclear non-proliferation, it would be "greeted with enthusiasm by bad guys currrently shaking in their shoes the whole world and could lead all away from weapons of mass destruction and toward greater security."
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Gawd, he really is an idiot, isn't he?
An idiot? Absolutely not! A tool of the Arab states larger than that of John Holmes'? Quite right.
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Yes, no matter what international situation I hear of, I can't feel free to comment on it until we have an opinion from the All Knowing Blixie, expert on everything. He's like the International Magic Eight Ball.
TEHRAN — Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zanganeh said Saturday in an interview that the Islamic republic wants China to replace Japan as its biggest importer of oil and gas.
"Japan is our No. 1 energy importer due to historical reasons, but we would like to give preference to exports to China," Zanganeh was quoted as saying the China Business Weekly magazine.
"From the supply side, we have no difficulties in making China the top energy oil importer from Iran," the minister added.
Iran and China last week signed a preliminary accord under which China will buy 10 million tons a year of liquefied natural gas (LNG) for 25 years in a deal worth $100 billion.
The memorandum of understanding also grants to Chinese oil giant Sinopec the right to exploit the Yadavaran oil field on a buy-back basis in cooperation with a major international oil company. (Wire reports)
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A provisional agreement has been reached over Iran's nuclear program in talks conducted in Paris, but it must now be taken back to the capitals of Iran, Britain, Germany and France for confirmation, Iran and the EU said. The agreement could usher in an important change in Iran's relations with Europe and much of the international community, said Iranian delegation spokesman Hussein Mousavian. "The agreement will have to be approved at the highest levels of government," Mousavian told Iranian TV. "My impression is that if this is approved by all four parties, we will witness an important change in Iran's relations with Europe and much of the international community in (the) not-too-distant future." The European Union's so-called "Big Three" -- France, Germany and the United Kingdom -- have been holding their third round of talks with Iran in an effort to persuade Tehran to suspend its nuclear enrichment activities in return for improved trade and political relations.
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still playing the fools for time
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As I've said before, allowing a nuclear capable Iran to exist would easily be the single worst strategic blunder of this new century. Israel's stewardship of its nuclear arsenal is on a par with America's. We cannot expect anything which would even remotely resemble that sort responsible conduct from Iran. Those who do are, quite simply, insane.
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Maybe a tally of UN offers to Iran should be started over the nuclear issue. I am not sure of the number of offers & rejections this far, but at least one truck load of paper and pencils shall be required in order to undertake this predictable task.
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Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi, speaking at a joint press conference with Li, described the Paris talks as "complicated and difficult".
Nowhere near as "complicated and difficult" as getting the crap bombed out of you for noncompliance.
For U.S. Marines awaiting orders to attack Iraq's rebel-held Fallujah, the bags are packed, trucks are loaded and letters have been sent home, leaving one final, pre-assault diversion: the ''Ben-Hur.'' Blowing off steam, hundreds of Marines took their cue from the 1959 Charlton Heston classic and gathered Saturday at a base near Fallujah for a slapstick chariot race featuring cobbled-together carts and confiscated Iraqi horses. ''These men are about to face the
Among the highlights for the assembled Marines: When the camp dog, Butch, limped onto the racecourse and grazed on the horses' droppings.
greatest personal and professional tests of their lifetimes,'' said Lt. Col. Willy Buhl, commander of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines. ''We wanted to lighten things up, take the tension off what we're about to do,'' said the 42-year-old commander from Los Gatos, Calif., who dreamed up the ''First Annual 'Ben-Hur' Memorial Chariot Race.'' The Marine charioteers, wearing togas over their body armor, waved baseball bats done up as spiked maces and jumped into carts forged from cast-off vehicle parts. The makeshift chariots were pulled by Iraqi horses commandeered from looters in the area. Snip
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I'd love to see photos of this!
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I'm very glad to see a funny story like this coming out of Iraq. I'd also love to see pictures as this will be a classic told for a long time. Semper Fi Marines and thanks for laughs.
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Here's one though not as good as the one in the local paper.
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11/07/2004 9:24 Comments ||
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LOL, Mrs. Davis.
Though I don't think they've quite got the concept. I'm pretty sure it would work a whole lot better if the horse were facing in the other direction. :-D
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11/07/2004 9:28 Comments ||
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That's a good photo - but I must agree with Barbara, I always thought the horses were supposed to point the other way! :)
Posted by: Tony (UK) ||
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I believe that photo is a demonstration of the ancient dictum of war that no chariot survives first contact with the race course.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
11/07/2004 9:56 Comments ||
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I always thought the horses were supposed to point the other way!
It was en English horse. That is why it is pointing the wrong way.
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Y'all do realize, don't you, that the only people in the entire world who would do this is Americans?
Well, yeah, probably the Aussies would too.
But when I looked at the pictures the first thing I thought is, "That's so American!" :-D
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>Y'all do realize, don't you, that the only people in the entire world who would do this is Americans? Well, yeah, probably the Aussies would too. But when I looked at the pictures the first thing I thought is, "That's so American!" :-D
Aussies would've had more beer. LOTSA, LOTSA more BEER!
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Only the Corps could combine the martial culture, warrior spirit, and frat boy sense of humour combining the best antics from the movie M.A.S.H. and Animal House - Ooh-Rah!
"Aussies would've had more beer. LOTSA, LOTSA more BEER!"
-Shit, these lads were stone sober when they did this - we're not allowed to have any brewskies in muslim-land - just goes to show that we don't need any suds to show the rest of the world how fucking nuts hard core we are when it comes to throwing a pre-battle party!
India on Sunday tested a nuclear-capable ship-launched missile off its eastern coast, an official said. The Dhanush missile, capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear warheads, was launched from an Indian navy ship in the Bay of Bengal, the official said on condition of anonymity.
Pakistan, which also routinely carries out missile tests, declined comment on the test but said it was against an arms race. "CRAP!"
"Pakistan will not get into an arms race in the region," said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, the top army spokesman. "We will maintain a minimum credible deterrence." "We can't afford it"
A senior official at the Foreign Ministry, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Pakistan was informed ahead of the Indian missile test.
"Dhanush," which means "bow" in the Hindi language, was tested from the ship INS Subhadra some 20 miles away from India's missile testing site at Chandipur-on-Sea in the eastern state of Orissa. The site is 750 miles southeast of New Delhi.
With a strike range of 156 miles, the missile can carry a load of 1,100 pounds, the Indian official said. The Dhanush is one of five types of missiles being developed by the state-owned Defense Research and Development Organization.
India's missile arsenal also includes the short-range ballistic Prithvi, the medium-range Agni, the anti-tank Nag and the supersonic Brahmos. The Dhanush was a naval variant of the Prithvi missile, the official said.
Nuclear-armed neighbors India and Pakistan routinely test-fire missiles they are developing for military use. When either country tests larger missiles they normally inform the other before the launch.
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ship lunched? CRAP!
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Mmmmmm, lunch...
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saw that one coming...lol
D'oh!
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I know Isreal will be having to do some modifications to their subs. I think this was the real reason they had high profile contacts with India not to long ago. Sub launched nuke tiped missles would defang Iran. The message to Iran, you can't win. Same message that we and the Russians sent each other MAD.
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Sock---just a thought, but would Israeli sub launched nukes really defang Iran? If these MM guys believe their sh*t like we think they do, wouldn't they ignore this deterrant, unlike rational people?
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I think they would. No matter what they did there would be a reply. I don't think they would ignore the deterent.
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...Someone refresh my memory, and I may be remembering this wrong - but didn't the Shah have his own 'Cheyenne Mountain' type hideout that up to now has been out of reach of Israel?...
If the mullahs were using that place, they might be rethinking it now.
Mike
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Somehow, I really can't blame and feel like I must kinda encourage India to keep developing this stuff. With a barely "not-going-over-the-fucking-brink-to-theocracy" government and a almost nuclear capible Iran, it seems like a logical thing for a democracy to do.
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I'm not sure about the Shan's command & control facilities, but he did start implementing software & computer networks similar to ours. I worked in the Pentagon on ours as a young programmer & was offered a sweet deal to go to Teheran and work on theirs. My new husband dug in his heels, I decided to stay LOL and 18 months into what would have been a 24 month contract the Shah fell. So I don't know how far they got on the technology side.
The world's most advanced military powers are using the Internet to spy on their enemies and prepare digital attacks against rogue targets, a leading cyber security expert said yesterday. "When there's a major cyber incident it's very difficult to prove most of the time who did it," said Richard Clarke, former White House adviser on national security and cyber threats. "There are incidents, I think, where governments are involved, doing either reconnaissance or testing out concepts, probing for weaknesses."
Clarke said he suspects Russia and China are the most pervasive users of Internet for intelligence-gathering on suspected enemy states and plotting ways to use the information for military purposes. "Maybe the US too," he told a security conference Clarke worked for the last three US presidents as a White House national security advisor. He resigned after the September 11, 2001 attacks on US and has been a vocal critic of the Bush Administration's anti-terror and Iraq campaigns. His latest comments come as network security experts report a growing sophistication of attacks on business and government websites, either knocking them offline for long periods or cracking their defences to steal trade secrets.
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Pretty obvious. With what other technology can you plant a bug remotely?
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Speaking of Richard Clarke - isn't his 15 minutes up? What about Sandy Berger? Anything new on his pants-gate?
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Pretty obvious. With what other technology can you plant a bug remotely?
Windows XP. ;o)
Seriously, a number of technologies are available for internet spying on individuals and for sites. Keystroke loggers is a good one, but packet sniffers are good as well. Also any number of worms exploiting vulnerabilities.
For atacks: Brute force attacks; spoofed data for http servers, injected SQL. A whole cavalcade of technologies that are net aware and ready to bring down the jihadi site nearest you.
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On the other hand, if you want to expand the concept of a bug to include all forms of remote eavesdropping, there are the various SIGINT platforms, and the wide variety of RF intercept systems. There is cell phone eavesdropping, which I guess fits the description if you can turn on the cell phone remotely. There are also optical eavesdropping and collection systems, which most computer users are not aware of.
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Of course, in special cases, there's always the US mail, or that strange Christmas gift from the foreign aunt you didn't know you had...
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with miniaturization and nanotechnology advances, that fly that just came in the window could be a bug in more than one sense of the word ;-)
just because you're paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not watching....
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tu3031---The MSM is running out of election stories, so they are sifting through the sludge pits, and who pops up? Ritter and Co. Even the MSM and dems are starting to realize that you can only whip a dead horse so much before it becomes just a mass of unrecognizable goo.
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"...using the Internet to spy on their enemies..." AARGGGH!! The RUSSIANS Have Been Reading RANTBURG Again! Who knew!!! (Runs in circles, digs hole, buries self.)
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