... A new study found that male monkeys will give up their juice rewards in order to ogle pictures of female monkey's bottoms. The way the experiment was set up, the act is akin to paying for the images, the researchers say. The rhesus macaque monkeys also splurged on photos of top-dog counterparts, the high-ranking primates. Maybe that's like you or me buying People magazine. ... Curiously, the monkeys in the test hadn't had any direct physical contact with the monkeys in the photos, so they didn't have personal experience with who was hot and who was not. ....
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Trying to explain your visits here Mike? [insert smiley here]
A SCENT exuded by young women as a subconscious sex attractant has been synthesised for post-menopausal women, who are finding it is luring men in droves, the British weekly New Scientist says. Forty-four women took part in an experiment to see whether the pheromone - an odour received by heterosexual men as a sign of mating availability - worked for females beyond child-bearing age. Half the group added a chemical copy of the pheromone to their perfume, while the other added a lookalike dummy compound. None of the participants knew whether they were getting the real ingredient or the fake. For the next six weeks, the women kept diaries.
Dear Diary,
Tonite Henry jumped me without warning as I was serving the creamed spinach. Phil and Harriet were scandalized and the party was ruined.
Among the pheromone users, 41 per cent reported they experienced more petting, kissing and affection with partners, compared with 14 per cent among the placebo group. Overall, 68 per cent of the pheromone groups reported increases in at least four "intimate socio-sexual behaviours," such as sex and formal dates. In the placebo group, only 41 per cent reported increases. The report, carried in next Saturday's New Scientist, is based on a study in a specialist publication, The Journal of Sex Research.
I used to read that. But only for the articles.
The research was carried out by Harvard University's Joan Friebely and Massachusetts doctor Susan Rako. What exactly is in the chemical is secret for the time being.
Eye of newt, hair of bat, and a few other ingredients...
The pheromone's discoverer, biologist Winnifred Cutler, is keeping its identity confidential until patents have been granted for her organisation, the Athena Institute for Women's Wellness Research in Chester Springs, Pennsylvania.
Don't believe her! She's keeping it for herself!
If the synthetic pheromone ever goes to market, joining other duplicates of human body odours - advertising specialists have a challenge on their hands. The secret odour does not come from the essence of alpine flowers or exotic spices so beloved of perfume ads to create a romantic image: it was isolated from a young woman's armpit sweat.
"Maudette! You smell so... so... sweaty! Let's have sex!"
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...I think I saw this flick on MST3K once...
Mike
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Mike, you're thinking of "Flesh Gordon" - you know, the one where Emperor Wang from the Planet Porno attacks Earth with the Sex Ray. :)
K Y and a new synthetic pheromone
Hillary will be happy !!
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It's not nice to fool with mother nature. I would not find it amiss for societies with falling populations to issue such a substance to young, fertile women; if an equivalent existed for males, likewise it should be given to young, virile men.
Because reproduction is essential to any society.
However, post-middle-aged people having sex with younger people should be limited to only those young people who *can't* reproduce for some reason or another. This could include those who are abhorred by the opposite sex, are sterile, suffer from genetic diseases or other disability making them incapable of having children. This is not as oppressive as it sounds: no one is denied anything except the use of special attractants to lure sex partners. Society should discourage the infertile from having sex with the fertile. Biologically, this also raises the point that women would prefer to have children from the "optimal" sperm donor. But only a few males have that special something, those traits, that the majority of women want in a sperm donor. So a substance of this kind helps women to have a larger pool of males from which to choose; and yet, it limits diversity in the long run, as most women will make similar choices. So one man will make 20 children, and a dozen other men will make none.
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" Society should discourage the infertile from having sex with the fertile "
Its nice to read comments like yours above moose.
What about " volunterily sterile " ( vasectomy )
people having sex with the fertile ?
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Um Gott es will, Barbara :-)
Should this become popular -- and I can't imagine otherwise, given how many are having voluntary plastic surgery nowadays -- I would expect two things:
1) Those older women in committed relationships to have much improved sex lives, and
2) Natural selection weeding out those men overly susceptible to this particular pheromone within two generations (as they go after the infertile/less fertile females).
Long term, this will just result in a slight alteration in the species. No biggie.
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Bill Clinton: in a society with a declining population, it is important that they develop policies that encourage reproduction. Some of these may seem "immoral" or "irresponsible", such as favoring the fertile over the infertile, and promulgating social acceptance of "reckless" reproduction. While it is generally agreed that it is preferable for a child is raised in economic abundance, it is *not* essential. It is an opinion. Children do not *need* $500 tennis shoes, video games, and to eat dinner at restaurants every night. If parents could raise two children modestly, or one child with "high havingness", it is better for society if they raise two. And ways must be found to encourage parents to have three or four or more children as the norm. Unfortunately, most of the people who use birth control the most, shouldn't, and this is a problem.
Mumbai: Unusual events "unheard of in the history of seismology" have been recorded in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, with more than 120 such events being recorded in the last one month, according to seismologists.
The seismology department of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre and the Earth Sciences Department of the Indian Institute of Technology here have recorded over 120 such unusual events in the islands following the December 26 earthquake measuring 8.9 on the Richter scale that triggered tsunamis which wreaked havoc in several parts of the country.
Of these events recorded at BARC's Gouribidnur station in Karnataka, at least over 33 events were above 5 on the Richter scale, they said, adding "this is unusual and alarming as large amount of energy is being released so frequently."
Eleven events with surface wave of magnitude 5, indicating large amount of energy close to Nicobar Islands was also recorded, the seismologists said.
"Since yesterday, 16 events which range from 5.2 to 5.8 on the Richter scale have been recorded," they said.
"Whether these events are foreshocks or aftershocks - it is not clear, and has to be taken up seriously and the data analysed as fast as possible," the scientists said.
"Both strike slip and dip slip are taking place simultaneously and these factors have to be taken very seriously both by scientists and authorities," they added.
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Actually, if in fact both strike and dip slips are happening simultaneously, that means a whole LOT of energy is being released there - major plate movements, making many day to day earthquakes look puny. That part of the world may be in for a rough geological ride for a while.
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Still waiting for the usual LLL suspects to explain how seismic activity deep in the earth is caused by "global warming'....
You'll notice I'm not holding my breath.
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The stars are almost right, it is just Cthulhu stiring in R'lyeh.
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We're talking tectonic plates here, folks. We are talking megatons of matter. Moving them around comes with the territory. Earthquakes happen when they move. Sheesh! Be thankful it's not an asteroid headin' our way, that could REALLY lower property values far and wide.
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Cthulhu? LOL - well the moon-worshipper swould have found someone more to their tastes and a little closer to home
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01/29/2005 14:08 Comments ||
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Maybe it's a SUPER-VOLCANOE! You know, like the one which formed Yellowstone National Park!
Posted by: Charles ||
01/29/2005 14:13 Comments ||
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Could it be that giant tsunami - quake maker Isreal and the US are testing. You know the one that caused the tsunami in Indian ocean ?
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01/29/2005 14:20 Comments ||
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could be - Occams' Razor sez it's Allan, still pissed off the mooselimbs aren't listening to his demand they quit killing and SHAPE THE FUCK UP, DAMMIT!
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01/29/2005 14:23 Comments ||
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Calm down Frank.
Its ok !!
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01/29/2005 14:24 Comments ||
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Are the Himalayas getting taller or shorter?
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01/29/2005 15:57 Comments ||
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Himalayas are generally getting taller at a rate of over 1 cm a year.
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The India Plate is currently moving northeast at 5 cm/yr (2 in/yr), while the Eurasian Plate is moving north at only 2 cm/yr (0.8 in/yr). This is causing the Eurasian Plate to deform, and the India Plate to compress at a rate of 4 mm/yr (0.15 in/yr).
So its official, both India and China are getting smaller.
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Frank G, your starting to sound like Muck. It's a phenomanon I've noticed on other blogs. Muckspeak is slowly taking over.
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with my conversations with the distinguished Mr. Shipman, it is a deliberate affectation, one he returns. heh heh
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When I was in USGS earthquake research in the early 70s we clocked er measured the San Andreas fault at 30 mm of regional strike slip per year. On Roberta Drive in Woodside, S of San Francisco, there was a 3' dia redwood stump straddling the fault that got split. The west side went 12 feet further north. That is ALOT of pent up rage. Seismic zones: why do they hate us?
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Tectonic volcanism; why does it hate us?
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01/29/2005 21:45 Comments ||
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IMHO - it doesn't hate us - we just don't matter, kinda like my relationship with my first wife
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Two years ago I finally got to see Mount St. Helens. Since it erupted in 1980 I've been fascinated by it, read everything I could get my hands on and studied every picture. But up close and personal, that thing is awesome-- I just found myself speechless.
Tectonic volcanism may not hate us, but it sure has a bad temper.
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Pressure from Turkey has resulted in the removal of a reference to the Armenian genocide from a German school curriculum, reports said Wednesday.
The eastern German state of Brandenburg has eliminated half a sentence on the Armenians included in ninth and tenth grade history classes after a Turkish diplomat complained to state Prime Minister Matthias Platzeck, the newspaper Die Welt reported.
In a chapter entitled "War, Technology and Civilian Populations" the school book text said "for example, the genocide of the Armenians population of Anatolia." That passage has now been removed from school textbooks, the newspaper said.
Platzeck met regularly with Turkish diplomats and was "steeled" against their influence, the newspaper quoted him as saying. The prime minister added that genocide was too important an issue to be dealt with in just half a sentence. "Brandenburg's curriculum was the only one in Germany which up until now included a reference to the murder of the Armenians," said Die Welt.
Well, Hitler did say it was forgotten. Anyone want to put money on this being a reciprocal arrangement?
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The Germans and Turks can always make up a chapter on the Guantanamo genocide.
In its 34-year history, the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland has traditionally been a place for big thinkers to discuss big concepts--and this year was no exception. Indeed, at one evening event entitled "Dangerous Ideas," participants pondered where ideas come from, the difference between bad and dangerous ideas and even how good ideas can mutate.
Yet this year, underlying it all was the sense that many, if not most, of the bad ideas come from America. This sentiment revealed itself, for instance, in a discussion of "Brand America." Richard Edelman, chief executive officer of the eponymous public-relations firm, noted that a "profound trust gap" exists for American corporations in Europe. His study showed dissatisfaction among Europeans with U.S. business values. Even the British--surely the most culturally compatible of all Europeans--said they were uncomfortable with the idea of working for a U.S. company.
American leadership was also found lacking in a slew of economic and political issues. The shrinking dollar, a source of great difficulty for European and Canadian businesses, is the result of a vanishingly-low U.S. personal-savings rate, as well as the government's seeming inability to reduce the enormous federal budget. Furthermore, America's misguided policies in Iraq were said to have led to greater violence, danger and global uncertainty. Global poverty also is caused by America's refusal to allocate more money to foreign aid. Even Bill Clinton, as much of a rock star in Davos as U2's , with whom he shared a stage, told a crowd that the U.S. could do much more. "Let's get real," the former president said. "The President just asked Congress for $80 billion for one year in Iraq. For a pittance, we could double America's [foreign aid] contribution, and it would be cheap."
FOR years it was the dream of every self-respecting Irish student: after a year denouncing British oppression in the college bar, the only way to spend the summer was sipping Guinness surrounded by plastic leprechauns in a Boston pub.
Five years ago, thousands of students camped out overnight to get a visa to spend four months in the Irish-loving paradise of Bill Clinton and the Kennedys. Now George W. Bush is begging them to visit.
Days after the President was sworn in for his second term, his Ambassador to Ireland has embarked upon a charm offensive to persuade the youth of the Irish Republic that the US is not what they just see in the headlines every day.
Irelands youth is so out of love with America that the number of students applying for a summer visa scheme has halved within a year.
As he embarked on a tour of universities and colleges last week, James Kenny, the US Ambassador, said that recapturing Irelands youth was hugely important for us and admitted that a wave of anti-Americanism was stopping many students visiting the US...
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I was in Belfast about five years ago and I met up with some friends I'd met on an earlier trip. All they'd watch was Jerry Springer episodes. They truly believed that's what America is all about. I remember one particular comment she (my friend) said, "Americans. All they do is drink and drive and kill people with guns." I'm thinking to myself, "Y'know I'm sitting right next to you. And we are in Belfast where bombs have gone off almost daily for 30 years. So what's the problem?" So let 'em stay over there. Let all the foreigners stay where they're at.
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I have been thinking of going to Ireland for a vacation this June. Sounds like I might not be very welcome. Any readers have advice for me? (Reply by e-mail, if you please.)
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What a shame. I foresee a shortage of waitresses, under the table house painters, and hack carpenters in the Boston area. And, oh yeah, late night hit and run accidents...
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Days after the President was sworn in for his second term, his Ambassador to Ireland has embarked upon a charm offensive to persuade the youth of the Irish Republic that the US is ânot what they just see in the headlines every dayâ.
Why should anyone care if Irish kids don't want to come here?
... a Roermond [Holland] man [has] recently been refunded EUR 2,000 for the pistol he used to commit an armed robbery. In sentencing the 46-year-old man to four years jail last week, Breda Court also ordered him to repay the EUR 6,600 he stole from a bank in the Brabant town of Chaam. But the man had the price of the pistol he bought for the robbery deducted from the amount he was forced to repay.
.... it is possible for criminals to have the cost incurred in committing a crime deducted from their sentences ... A spokeswoman for the Breda public prosecutor's office ... said the costs must have a direct relationship to the criminal offence, and be costs that a criminal otherwise would not have incurred. .... the law stipulates that the financial situation of the bank robber after the sentence is imposed must be the same as what it was prior to the crime. ....
Another example would be the costs a criminal incurs in a cannabis plantation. If the plantation is seized by police, the criminal can identify to authorities what costs were incurred in setting up the crop and gain compensation. ....
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Great! With just a bit of imaginative bookkeeping, the convicts will soon be rolling in taxpayer-supplied dough...
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So.. if I paid my friend Bob $20k for a phony 10 Euro note, documented the transaction carefully, and tried to pass it to the government itself, they'd reimburse my expenses?
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Dutch Foreign Minister Ben Bot announced on Monday that he would work this year to counter the image of the Dutch as "whore-mongering, coke-snorting child murderers" â a description uttered by a commentator on Fox News recently.
Voters would reject the European constitution by a margin of two to one, according to the first poll to use the question the Government has chosen to put to the country. A survey conducted since the wording was published on Wednesday suggests that 45 per cent of the public would vote against the constitution, with only 24 per cent in favour. Tony Blair has staked his reputation on winning the referendum, which is expected next spring if Labour wins the general election.
The results of The Telegraph's YouGov poll show that he faces an enormous challenge in trying to turn around public opinion. But they also indicate that a large part of the electorate is open to persuasion. Twenty five per cent of respondents said they did not know how they would vote if they were forced to take a decision tomorrow. Only 51 per cent said they had made up their mind about the constitution, which was agreed by European Union leaders last summer. Others would make a final decision nearer the time. Michael Ancram, the Conservative foreign affairs spokesman, said his party was right to oppose the treaty setting up the constitution. "This underlines the very real and deserved mistrust of the British people for this attempt to punch them into a European super-state. "We must continue to make the case against the constitution to ensure the British people firmly consign it to the grave."
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Looks like the brits ain't as dumb as the EU thinks they are.
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Woohoo! Looks like the Brits are not as dumb and compliant as Comrade Blair thought that they were. Next stop, defeat Blair and the Labor Party at the upcoming UK election. Although Michael Howard is not as "dashing" as Blair, I think he would do well by the Brits. It's time for a change and new faces at Downing Street.
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You know... if you people were one bit interested in the survival of Western civilisation you'd be doing the utmost to keep and strengthen the institutions that bind its nations together in peace and freedom. Especially one of the few ones like the EU that (unlike NATO) actually gives a damn about democracy and human rights, the virtues that make our civilisation our civilisation. The organization that in the last 15 years has done the most in encouraging the growth of said democracy and human rights in the whole of Eastern Europe.
You would not be following the anti-Constitution line that everywhere in the continent is being led by the communists and the fascists that hate you and Israel even more than they hate the EU.
Except in Britain -- there the anti-Constitution line is being led by the xenophobes ofcourse, the ones who haven't met a paranoid fear they haven't liked.
As your world collapses around you, and as the various fascisms dance on the ashes of what was once called "the West"... you boys go on fiddling.
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Especially one of the few ones like the EU that actually gives a damn about democracy and human rights, the virtues that make our civilisation our civilisation.
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-- if you people were one bit interested in the survival of Western civilisation you'd be doing the utmost to keep and strengthen the institutions that bind its nations together in peace and freedom. --
Aris, the UN, Kyoto and the ICC does none of those things.
We keep trying, but you guys don't agree. Basically, we've gotten scorn for 228 years. We were liked, when? After the Revolution, WWI and WWII, but as my grandfather said, gratitude is only 1 generation."
Check out this at LGF:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14502_Anti-American_Nights_in_Paris&only=yes
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You would not be following the anti-Constitution line that everywhere in the continent is being led by the communists and the fascists that hate you and Israel even more than they hate the EU.
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I do care what happens in Europe.
Unfortunately, I see the EU Constitution as being, at best, a rearranging of deck chairs. More likely I fear it will create a horrible bureaucracy that muzzles the lookouts and locks the rudder.
Most of us here see trouble coming for Europe, independent of the constitution. You MUST be able to adjust in order to deal with it.
Given time, the democratic process might sort out the bureaucracy... might. I don't think you'll have time, though.
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The western civilization that Aris say would be defended by the EU is the civilization who gave the world ideas like Democracy or Freedom of Expression. Westerners have gone to battle in ships called "Constitution" or "Parhesia" (the right to say what you want). In the EU there are sharp and growing sharper restrictions to Freeddom of Expression (cf the growing number of hate speech laws). We also have the EU paying people (with public money) for influencing public opinion, newspapers who firmly lock away any experssion of dissent with the EU.
And don't forget about those little differences between the American constitution and the projected EU one: "We, the people of the United States" versus "The King of Belgians, the Grand Duque of Luxembourg, the President of the Czech Republic... have designated the following plenipotentiaries". Ie nobody elected the people who made the Constitution. I wasn't asked if I wanted Gicard, that pompous, corrupt and blood-stained ex-president as my representative.
But the people will be asked by referendum isn't it? Except that there are massive tax-payer funded propaganda campaigns for the "Yes" (and, at least in the case of Spain this is completely illegal), except that there is huge pressure for the "Yes": "If you vote NO it will destroy nthe EU", except that everything is done to keep the people uninformed: in Spain the text of the Constitution will be published just two days before the referendum. Did I mention that the Spanish Minister of Justice has said: "There is no need to read it in order to know it is good"? Did I mention that it cannot be amended for twenty years, ie the people will have itrs right of amendment restricted for twenty years?
That is the spirit of Europe: a constitution made by unelected people and forced down upon the throats of people through brain-washing, intimidation and ignorance. And jusyt in case the pople could awake it is made non-amendable.
The EU has no relation with those Athenians who manned the trireme "Parhesia" at Salamina. If any, it is the spiritual child of the Persian Empire.
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ones like the EU that (unlike NATO) actually gives a damn about democracy and human rights, the virtues that make our civilisation our civilisation. The organization that in the last 15 years has done the most in encouraging the growth of said democracy and human rights in the whole of Eastern Europe.
As in, say, the heroic efforts of the EU in Bosnia and Kosovo, right???
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LOL Aris - that's just Grate! Why, you almost sound upset! You've said yourself plenty of times that you'd like the UK to leave the EU. This news should make your weekend.
A few comments: i) It's YouGov, which is internet-only. Respondents don't comprise a good representation of the electorate at large. ii) Internet users tend to be better informed than non-internet users (and, to use the EU's own logic - more sympathetically inclined towards the draft Constitution than the general public, ha ha ha). iii) There's still a year or more to go until the referendum is actually held, which leaves plenty of time for the Government and the EU's propaganda machines to work on voters. iv) There's also a very high chance that one of the other countries due to hold a referendum on the Constitution will vote 'No' before we get the chance (e.g. France). That would be most annoying, and is also the scenario that our own Government no doubt hopes will happen. In that case the Constitution would go back to the drawing board and the British public wouldn't have had a say on the project.
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Bulldog> You've said yourself plenty of times that you'd like the UK to leave the EU. This news should make your weekend.
Yeah, too bad that this vote is about the constitution, not about the UK leaving the EU.
After the UK did its utmost to impose a sucky watered down constitution on the rest of us, now it'll use a negative vote NOT to leave, but rather to water the constitution down some more.
Yes, I'd rather see one nation leave, rather than see a union of 25 be destroyed by the saboteur actions of one. The ideal would be to have UK voluntarily stay as a non-saboteur, but once again we can't have ideal solutions in the real world.
As in, say, the heroic efforts of the EU in Bosnia and Kosovo, right??? Pfah.
Once again, read last few years' Freedomhouse reports on eastern European nations, why don't you? Scared what you might discover if you actually investigated some facts?
Dishman> More likely I fear it will create a horrible bureaucracy that muzzles the lookouts and locks the rudder. Most of us here see trouble coming for Europe, independent of the constitution.
The constitution increases the democratic functioning of the Union and its functioning in general. It allows easier cooperation of the EU in foreign policy matters, but at the same time it forces no nation to go along with any policy it doesn't want.
Basically, we've gotten scorn for 228 years.
Well let's ignore for the moment centuries past and let's focus on the present. Ooh, you get "scorn" from Europeans. Poor little yous.
Well get over it: From people in Middle East you've recently gotten the Twin Towers down instead, from China you have threats against Taiwan, from Russia you have missiles sent to Syria and nuke technology to Iran.
If the worst thing you get from Europe is "scorn", then you have it lucky. We've gotten no less from you.
And as a sidenote what about all that gratitude you people occasionally claim towards the Polish that supported you and sent troops to Iraq? Towards the Czechs, towards the Hungarians, towards all that "New Europe"? "We will not forget it, you said" And yet you do.
Now grow up. all of you, and start supporting the EU as one of the most valuable organizations that exist for the survival of our Western civilisation. If I wanted the US dissolved into its constituent states, that'd be as foolish as what you people are doing -- namely not understanding that disunity will lead to our destruction.
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I think the problem with the EU Constitution is that the Eurostanis have decided to write in the CFR with all the addendant bureaucratic mazes before having a basic understanding of what a constitution should do, which is as little as possible.
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BD - obviously you are ignorant or you would be in favor of turning over your country's sovereignty to the enlightend minds in Brussels.
While your caveats about the YouGov survey are noteworthy, the results appear to track with the other tea leafs that indicate a plurality opposed to the EU constitution. If you have a better study, let's see it.
It's continues to amaze that any country would turn over the soverneity keys to the EU bureaucrats.
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Duke Nukem> Let Bulldog alone. His nation is the only one in the EU which seems undemocratic enough that its people supposedly don't want to be part of the EU but nonetheless they are.
In the rest of the continent, the majority desire their membership, you see. As such we can probably not understand the frustration that the British are feeling, we people living in free nations.
It's continues to amaze that any country would turn over the soverneity keys to the EU bureaucrats.
MEEEE! It's all about MEEEE! My ego neeeeeeds maintenance!
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those awful ignorant Brits! Why if they'd just listen to Aris their betters they do as they're told
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Wow, Aris....what's with the venom today? Bad ouzo last night at the taverna?
And, yeah, goofy little me tends to think that NATO did a better job of insuring at least part of Europe's freedom....if for no other reason without it you wouldn't even have a EU. Is it perfect? Hell no, but then again, neither is your beloved EU.
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Now grow up. all of you, and start supporting the EU as one of the most valuable organizations that exist for the survival of our Western civilisation.
Drama queen.
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If the majority of Brits are against EU constitution, then the majory of Brits are deluded---and must be ignored, for now (they'll have to be reeducated later).
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sure Aris, and the EU prevents tooth decay as well. NATO is dead and the EU will follow. At least you'll always have half of Cyprus....
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Aris, "the survival of Western civilisation" (#6) will certainly not be assured by either your verbose EU constitution or your verbose self. Bloated bureaucracy is hardly a survival tool.
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Bloated bureaucracy is hardly a survival tool
except as a flotation device in case you have to ditch
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Ok, it's official....I give up.
It was kind of fun, for a while.
Sorry for wasting your bandwidth, Fred. I'll go atone at the tipjar.
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I'm not playing games, Tom & Frank, unlike you. I'm deadly serious. As for my "verbose EU constitution", no it won't assure it. But it'll do a far better job at it than the *current* verbose EU treaties. For starters it'll allow UK to secede from the EU peacefully, without needing to either violate nor renegotiate the treaties it has already accepted.
Frank, once again, if you don't believe me on Turkey, check what Freedom house has to say on the issue. You don't need to take my word on it.
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If the worst thing you get from Europe is "scorn", then you have it lucky. We've gotten no less from you.--
No Aris, you got our our treasure - our men, blood and our money. 2x. Those crosses aren't there for nothing.
You get our scorn now because of this wonderful invention of Al Gore's. You're finally getting back a little of what's been dished out for a couple of centuries.
Our papers aren't filled w/a smidgeon of the venom coming from your side.
#33
I love how the people of the UK choosing not to want to be under the EU's Articles of Fealty Constitution makes them "undemocratic."
Sounds downright... Soviet.
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'But it's not NATO that's improved Turkey's democracy and human rights situation. That's the EU's influence.' -- eh ?? Its the will of the Turkish , not some Eurocrat outsiders . Once Turkey came out of the dark ages , and folk found a way of life that could work , they voted on it . With that , slowly and surely , came a better life for all Turks . Ask your Dad Aris , perhaps he can remember .
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I love how the people of the UK choosing not to want to be under the EU's Articles of Fealty Constitution makes them "undemocratic"
Really? Who said that?
Read more carefully next time.
MacNails> Its the will of the Turkish, not some Eurocrat outsiders.
Yeah, it was the will of the "Turkish" to become acceptable by the European Union, according to the standards for human rights that the European Union has set.
"One area that has seen real change is Turkey's human rights practices. For example, the EU has always been insistent that the use of torture by the police must be eradicated. It has been a slow process that has had to force changes not just to laws but to entrenched thinking. I remember being told a story five or six years ago about a Turkish human rights activist who returned back to Turkey after a number of years abroad. Apparently, she felt that things were improving in the country and that it was now safe enough for her to work from within. Anyway, not long after arriving back her flat was broken into. She reported it to the police. No arrest was made. A while later it happened again. She went back to the police to report it and see if there had been any headway with the investigation on the previous case. The policeman told her that the police were finding it increasingly hard to deal with crime as the EU had demanded that they now 'respect' prisoners' rights. 'What can we do when faced with these restrictions from Europe?', he asked. The human rights activist, appalled at the comment, decided that there was no hope for her country. She packed her things and left. Six years later, there are still problems, but most observers agree that under the watchful eye of the EU, and with the continued lure of EU membership, there have been real improvements."
One day, the nice people of Rantburg will be brave enough to say "Thank you EU, for bringing Turkey closer to Western civilisation and distancing it from the Middle East, the way NATO never managed."
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Does this mean that you EU guys are planning to use "the continued lure of EU membership" on Turkey indefinitely?
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" One day, the nice people of Rantburg will be brave enough to say "Thank you EU, for bringing Turkey closer to Western civilisation and distancing it from the Middle East, the way NATO never managed.
I thought NATO was a military assistance Treaty Organization between member nations of Europe and the USA, as a bulwark, a combined command structure to oppose the Warsaw pact, one which had actually zero impact of human right policy, as should have been.
Or maybe Aris is trying to mix concepts up, so he can spin them any way he wants?
" One day, the nice people of Rantburg will be brave enough to say "Thank you EU, for bringing Turkey closer to Western civilisation and distancing it from the Middle East,
#39
I thought NATO was a military assistance Treaty Organization between member nations of Europe and the USA, as a bulwark, a combined command structure to oppose the Warsaw pact, one which had actually zero impact of human right policy, as should have been
As should have been? Thank you, you made my point.
Or maybe Aris is trying to mix concepts up, so he can spin them any way he wants?
EU cares about human rights, freedom, democracy. In NATO these things were incidental - examples of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey. My point again.
#40
whatever Aris :) We could dissect your bull all day long and not get any closer to enlightening you . TUrkey wanted to join EU > dictated by a general consensus or the population of Turkey . The EU has laws and regualtions which , being a backward state that you WERE ,you needed to ,at least, acheive before your Application was accepted by majority of the nations in the EU .
Anyway , am off out for a game of poker with some friends , of which one is TURKISH !
#41
Does this mean that you EU guys are planning to use "the continued lure of EU membership" on Turkey indefinitely?
"We EU guys" hold a dozen different opinions on Turkish membership and what should be done about it.
As a sidenote, another good about the Constitution is that (for the first time I believe) it allows the possibility for member-states to have their participation partially suspended they start violating the basic principles of the EU.
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Perhaps MacNails confuses you with Murat. It would be easy to do.
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One day, the nice people of Rantburg will be brave enough to say "Thank you EU, for bringing Turkey closer to Western civilisation and distancing it from the Middle East, the way NATO never managed."
Talk to us when Europe gets them to cop to the Armenian genocide, rather than caving into their demands to cover it up.
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"'We EU guys' hold a dozen different opinions on Turkish membership and what should be done about it."
Decisive bunch, aren't you! And if we had an alliance and needed your help, how many years would it take you to reach a decision? Oh, wait, that sounds a lot like how the UN "handled" Saddam, doesn't it?
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Talk to us when Europe gets them to cop to the Armenian genocide, rather than caving into their demands to cover it up.
MMmmm. It may be sooner than you think, that one. If and when it happens and I refresh your memory concerning, what will you do in return? Will you acknowledge your error?
Turkey should Acknowledge Armenian Genocide says European Parliament
http://www.europaworld.org/issue10/turkshldacknowlarmeniangenoc241100.htm
European Parliament Calls On Turkey To Explicitly Recognize The Armenian Genocide
http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/news/inthenews/041215_europe_genocide.html
That one is just last month. Hmm, yeah Europe seems to be caving into their demands to cover it up alright.
http://globalpolitician.com/articles.asp?ID=319
"At the end of December, the Foreign Minister of Turkey, Abdullah Gul, met MPs and stated, in particular, the following: the issue of admission to the EU comes to that of recognition of the Armenian Genocide."
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Boy, Aris, you should be reading Rantburg *today*:
Thread: "Turks Force Erasure of Armenian Genocide from German Textbook"
"Pressure from Turkey has resulted in the removal of a reference to the Armenian genocide from a German school curriculum, reports said Wednesday..."
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Decisive bunch, aren't you!
Perhaps where you live, "you USA people" have a single opinion. Here, where people are still free, 400 millions Europeans have 400 million different opinions on the issues.
So I can't tell you what "we EU people" plan to do about Turkish membership.
And if we had an alliance and needed your help, how many years would it take you to reach a decision?
Well that kinda depends on the process that our treaties or Constitution would command before decision-making, wouldn't it? If you want speedier decisions, support it -- it's a step in the right direction, allowing much more flexible and quick decision-making.
#55
So, to sum it up, your position seems to be: "We nations in the EU don't have a single position, can't reach decisions, and edit our textbooks to Turkish taste, so you in the US should make alliances with us and treat us as equals because we are cleaning up Turkey using our never-ending chance-at-membership lure." Okay.
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I'm tired of your games, Tom. You are intentionally ignorant and you will remain such.
You accuse us for not reaching decisions? That's kinda what most of the point of the Constitution is, making Europe more able to reach decisions by removing veto from a wide range of issues?
Oops, but I guess you didn't know that one either. Never mind. Every single word you say accusing Europe for not "reaching decisions" is in fact a word in support of the Constitution -- you are simply too much of an idiot to know it.
Thank you for supporting the Constitution so eloquently.
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Re #55 (Tom): so you in the US should make alliances with us and treat us as equals
I don't understand your point, Tom. The USA is in a military alliance, NATO. We treat our European allies as allies. What do you think should be done differently?
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treat them as they are: some are back-stabbing assholes (France and Schroeder) who would undermine us for their own gain while hiding under the protective wing America provides. Any answers you have, Mike? Or just rhetorical question bullshit as usual?
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01/29/2005 17:18 Comments ||
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Any answers you have, Mike?
Not for you. Ever.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester ||
01/29/2005 17:24 Comments ||
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haven't seen you provide any for anyone else, either, just the patented MS rhetorical: "and what would you have done differently?"â¢
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Frank, he does not have any, but instead of admitting it, he resorts to childish postures.
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The textbook thing no longer stands. Armenian genocide will stay in the books... the topic "genocide" will be enlarged though to include other examples (like the killing of the Hereros by German colonial forces).
In the run-up to historic elections to choose a new Iraqi government, activists burned an effigy of US President George W Bush, railing against the occupation of Iraq amid doubts American troops will ever leave the country. Tens of thousands of leftist and left-leaning activists from around the world at the World Social Forum are convinced Saturday's election won't bring democracy and that American soldiers face a permanent stay in Iraq to influence the region and ensure a steady flow of oil. "The US will stay there to dominate the Middle East," Brazilian artist Jairo Silva said before an anti-Bush march on the third day of the social forum, held to protest the World Economic Forum under way in Davos, Switzerland. He added: "They'll stay there because the oil's there and so American companies can get all the contracts to rebuild a country America destroyed."
The fifth annual social forum has drawn tens of thousands of the usual suspects people to southern Brazil promoting hundreds of the usual goofy causes, ranging from opposition to genetically modified crops to free distribution of land to poor farmers and protecting the rights of indigenous populations. Joining hundreds of others in a march around the sprawling social forum grounds, Thai human rights campaigner Pornpen Khongkachonkiet said she doubted the Iraq elections will result in anything close to democracy. "Occupation is not the answer," she said. "They should have democracy developed locally, this just isn't how an election should be."
"The Iraqi people shouldn't have a voice in who rules them!" she added.
While activists criticised the spread of unfettered capitalism, many said they hold Bush responsible for the world's biggest problems. They believe he is forcing free trade agreements on other nations that will only benefit multinational corporations and the wealthy elite in developing countries. Protesters used sticks to beat the Bush effigy before setting it aflame and chanting slogans against the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas, a proposed 34-nation zone that would join North and South America in the world's largest economic bloc. "Get out Bush! Get out FTAA!" they yelled, banging drums and waving bright red flags emblazoned with yellow hammers and sickles.
What, no giant puppets?
American David Hartsough of San Francisco's Nonviolent Peaceforce group said he's become convinced that the United States is "destroying all the good will we had throughout the world." "This is the super ugly American who wants to control and kill countless people for his own self-interest," Hartsough said. "I'm afraid Iraq is going to turn into another Vietnam." Sammi Alaa, a leader of the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance group supporting the terrorists resistance, said he expected social forum activists would be sympathetic, but was surprised that many Americans support the killing of US soldiers as a legitimate move to oust the occupying power. "There are a lot of Americans here and when I take the microphone and explain the Iraqi terrorists resistance, they come up to me afterward and say they agree with me," said Alaa, an Iraqi who lives in Denmark.
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Sounds like Bush is doing something right. ;-p
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"Iâm afraid Iraq is going to turn into another Vietnam."... supporting the resistance
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How can we disbeleive them when they have a Girl named " Pornpen " spealing for them? I mean that name alone brings credibility and gravitas to them!
" surprised that many Americans support the killing of US soldiers as a legitimate move to oust the occupying power."
#4
We are on the verge of a great revolution, but not the kind these authoritarian media-cultists pretend to seek.
It will be a revolution against the authoritarians themselves, against their culture, their media, their place of power in the world.
The outlines of this revolution are only dimly visible now, as was the outline of the First World War, say, 100 years ago in 1905.
They will be crystal clear after the fact, though, in, say, 20 years.
In a thousand years, the Institutional Media Culture of the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries will be studied and analyzed as a puzzling but horrible relic, long since having taken its place alongside the Spanish Inquisition and the Divine Right of Kings in the dustbin of history.
"Sammi Alaa, a leader of the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance group supporting the resistance, said he expected social forum activists would be sympathetic, but was surprised that many Americans support the killing of US soldiers as a legitimate move to oust the occupying power. 'There are a lot of Americans here and when I take the microphone and explain the Iraqi resistance, they come up to me afterward and say they agree with me,' said Alaa, an Iraqi who lives in Denmark.
"Hi, Mr. Alaa, groovy speech and all, man. Meet my new friend, Gideon Phoenix."
DEATH TO TERRORISTS! DEATH TO TRAITORS! DEATH TO MEDIA SHILLS!
Thousands of enemy agents and terror-shills from all over the world publicly identify themselves in the foolish belief that Fidel Castro, Arab money, and media shielding can protect them forever from the just consequences of their actions.
#10
Apparently your "relevance" meter didn't even register, or you would have provided it.
Ya do have to "love" these people who hold their "conference" in "southern Brazil" to "protest the World Economic Forum under way in Davos, Switzerland."
#11
Jeez, Justrand - give the poor commies a break.
It's cold in Davos this time of year. ;-p
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the cold puckers the piercings
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The thing that gets me about those raving lunatics is their hypocrisy. Those people do not give a shit about the Iraqi people. They never wanted to save the latter when Saddam was killing them by the thousands but now they are all heart.
Those vermin do not give a flying F*** about people dying unless they can use their deaths to further their utopian agendas or their virulent anti-americanism. I think I am beginning to like the terrorists more then those idiots.
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Justrand - Besides, then they can go to Rio for Carnival and relax after saving the world from all the eeeeeeeevil Bush/Halliburton/Joooos/neocon lackeys.
#15
"Theyâll stay there because the oilâs there and so American companies can get all the contracts to rebuild a country America destroyed."
As the rabid twit jumps into his petro fueled vehicle after the ankle biter festivities.
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These guys threw a party and didn't invite me an 'ol Betsy AGAIN. Tha'ts it, I'm not gonna take it no more. The next time they have a party, Betsy 'n me are gonna crash! In the meantime, anybody got a good source for 10-gauge #1 buckshot? From the looks of that parade, I need about eight cases...
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How can we disbeleive them when they have a Girl named " Pornpen " spealing for them? I mean that name alone brings credibility and gravitas to them!
" surprised that many Americans support the killing of US soldiers as a legitimate move to oust the occupying power."
#20
How can we disbeleive them when they have a Girl named " Pornpen " spealing for them? I mean that name alone brings credibility and gravitas to them!
" surprised that many Americans support the killing of US soldiers as a legitimate move to oust the occupying power."
Via Lucianne: The Canadians are checking in. Canadians are logging on to the Canada Free Press website in droves, and it's largely courtesy of Fox News. Liberally quoting Rachel Marsden's insightful column about Fox News versus the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), I wrote a column, Thursday about what a dramatic improvement the more professional Fox News would be over leftwing slanted, taxpayer-funded CBC in balance-deprived Canada. The letters that poured in within the first day after the column affirm my belief that mainstream Canada wants Fox NOW.
So many letters from fellow Canadians also gave me a personal boost. Ever since going daily a year ago come May, Americans have dominated CFP letters to the editor. Our next door neighbour, of course has a larger population and Canada Free Press columnist Arthur Weinreb has been chronicling for months the disturbing anti-American sentiments that seem to flourish in Canada. But while the Jean Chretiens, the Carolyn Parrishs, the Paul Martins and Maurice Strongs seem to wax anti against anything American, many--if not most--average Canadians do not feel the same way.
The anti-American ways of the Liberal cabal in Ottawa is frustrating for Canadian writers filing stories to CFP, including yours truly. While the United States, Britain, Australia and other countries in the Coalition of the willing, are out there fighting for our freedom, the sniveling Canadian government, hanging back in the relative safety of the sidelines, carps away at our noble next door neighbour and biggest trading partner. It is my personal belief that some aspects of Canadian society actively work to undermine the United States of America, and that's what newfound research genius David Hawkins and I will be writing about in months ahead. "I just happened to run across your article on Fox News," wrote Canadian Alan Ehnes. "I am now your newest fan. When I saw the incredible hatchet job CBC did on Fox I was apoplectic, especially in consideration of the fact that my tax dollars are paying for this supposed "journalism"."
"I was so happy and thrilled to read your article today on Fox News coming to Canada. My bp goes up each time I tune in to Don Newman to see how he will crucify the Conservative view today; or to Craig Oliver on Question Period with his band of Liberal cronies, patting Martin on the back all the way," wrote a resident of Bedford, Nova Scotia. I had no idea that there was any place in Canada who gave journalistic students another view. This was the best news I heard today. Canada Free Press will not allow CBC TV or Radio near CFP journalists. Can't wait for Fox News, because all I get to see now is Fox News Sunday for 1 hour."
"Canada needs a credible vehicle that will break the left wing mainstream choke hold on us here," wrote Canadian Joseph Molnar, who carbon copied his CFP letter to Fox giant, Bill O'Reilly.
Even personal hero, talk show host/columnist Rachel Marsden checked in with a letter. "Nice article! Thanks for the placement," Marsden wrote on the eve of having Ann Coulter on her radio show (listen online via www.rachelmarsden.com). The good news is that average Canadians are in the know about the insidious relationship between the Liberal government and the leftwing mainline Canadian media. They know that Fox News is coming and that it can't get here soon enough. God speed the arrival of Fox News Canada!
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Stout hearts, oppressed masses of Canuckistan, liberation is at hand.
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There goes the neighborhood , folks ! Hockey Night will be a hoot ! That is , compared to S&M on TV in Canada ! Sarcasm & Munchkins ! Hello , It's FOX NEWS ! That Channel is S& M!! What happened to Canada's News with NNN?! They didn't replace those nice nudey CHICKS for 478 pound Polar Bears ?! Maybe , FOX NEWS , has a good game plan ahead for us , huh ?! They'll give us Rosemary Church to be on the FOX NEWS ! That is , on one condition ! MORAL : SHE IS SKYCLAD ON THE SKY CHANNEL OPPOSITE WITH NAKED NEWS NETWORK ! *IT BEATS WATCHING MR. REILLY , MAYBE !! WELCOME TO CANADA ! - The Talking Penguin
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Hah!
Fox has Laurie "ooh ooh!" Dhue, the undoubted highpoint of one billion years of biological evolution.
Her face is so perfect, so incredibly exquisite, that it will have to be electronically obscured and revealed one pixel at a time for Canuck audiences, lest they all be struck blind or driven insane with passion and run into the streets.
#6
I watched part of 'The O'Reilly Factor' last night (I hardly ever watch 'The O'Reilly Factor' )when they showed a clip from a CBC broadcast which featured that unfunny comedian with Air America in tears because of the big bad republicans, etc. It was a smear piece against the American right and Fox. Funny sh*t.
Yep. Laurie Dhue is what we call easy on the eyes.
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...Laurie Dhue - a Lady who knows the TRUE meaning of 'gun control':
http://www.lindenreport.com/images/broadcasting/laurie2.jpg
And while I'm at it...
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Camera/5168/bios/laurie_dhue.jpg
Mike
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I really liked Lauren Green in Bonanza. I think she's changed her hair since then, though...
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She's Canadian, too, eh?
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Hey Barb... seriously, I watch TV so little these days I'm on the edge of returning the cable box.
But if I did watch TV, I'd rather watch Ms. Dhue than Bill O'Really, who Really Gets On My Nerves Sometimes.
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I like all the Fox Nexw chicks but who can't say "Uma Pemmaraju" and not get just a little aroused? Her name just sounds sexy. Welcome to the center Canada.
#18
You gents are creaming all over the web site, buck up, eh?
Our Canadian friends are refined and dignified, except when it comes to hockey. I give O'Reilly two years before his head explodes. Still, I enjoyed the segment where Stuart Smalley (or whatever) whined like a French men.
If memory serves, Lauren Green is from Minnesota, not Canada. The smart money is going to the new blood, Meegan, etc.
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I missed the CBC hatchet job but then I never watch CBC News, period. Teat suckling commies.
And with the NHL Lockout, there is no Hockey Night in Canada. Being as ad revenue from HNinC and government handout are the only sources of revenue for the Communist Bull Cooperative, they do not need another competitor. BWAHAH!
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Personal disclosure: my family is also supposed to be descended from Strongbow. Maybe I'm related to Bush:)
It is perhaps not the best omen for US foreign affairs. Local historians in Wexford have discovered that George Bush is a descendant of Strongbow, the power-hungry warlord who led the Norman invasion of Ireland thus heralding 800 years of mutual misery. With a long line of Scots Irish presidents including Woodrow Wilson, the Irish are normally quick to claim US leaders as their own. But, despite President Bush's large Ulster Scots vote in the American Bible belt, Ireland had let his family escape the genealogical microscope. But now Ann Griffin Bernstorff, an artist working on a tapestry to commemorate Ireland's Norman heritage, has discovered what she claims is the Bushs' missing Irish link. Ms Griffin Bernstorff was researching Strongbow's son-in-law, William Marshal, when she discovered the connection. A descendant of Marshal married Anne Marbury Hutchinson, a famous 16th century religious dissenter who had already been linked to Mr Bush. "It is one of those bizarre developments," she said. "We traced the Bush genealogy through a Republican source in Chicago and found it was correct. People here are absolutely shocked. I'm not sure what the wider reaction will be, Bush has not been seen as a great friend of the Irish."
I understand he's also descended from Ugg the Neanderthal Slayer. He hasn't been a great friend of Neanderthals, either, so Ms Griffin Bernstorff is prob'ly right...
Indeed, when Mr Bush visited a County Clare castle last year, radio talk-show hosts asked: "Is this the most hated American ever to set foot on Irish soil?"
I'm sure that was all William Marshal's fault, too.
The US president's now apparent ancestor, Richard de Clare, Earl of Pembroke - known as Strongbow for his arrow skills - is remembered as a desperate, land-grabbing warlord whose calamitous foreign adventure led to the suffering of generations. Shunned by Henry II, he offered his services as a mercenary in the 12th-century invasion of Wexford in exchange for power and land.
And that was only 900 years ago...
When he eventually died of a festering ulcer in his foot, his enemies said it was the revenge of Irish saints whose shrines he had violated. The Bush clan - who pride themselves on a distinguished New England family history that can be traced back to the first English in America - may well be looking for a healthy spin on the news. But it seems that Strongbow is not the worst of Bush's newfound ancestors.
Yeah. Ugg died from scabies, I understand...
The genetic line can also be traced to Dermot MacMurrough, the Gaelic king of Leinster reviled in history books as the man who sold Ireland for personal gain. Even before MacMurrough earned the title of Ireland's worst traitor by inviting Strongbow's invasion to save himself from a local feud, the Irish chieftain had a reputation for gore. One English chronicler told how MacMurrough, recognising the features of a personal enemy poking from a pile of severed heads after a battle, snatched up the rotting flesh and tore it with his teeth in a "hideous frenzy".
Yeah. I remember when Bush did that, too. It was down in Crawford, so it did't get into the papers, but those of us who were there will never forget it...
As if it were not enough to be related to two of the most notorious figures in Irish history, Mr Bush's ancestors are also thought to have founded the settlement of New Ross, in County Wexford. A quiet place, New Ross has a stunning Norman church and another claim to fame: it is the ancestral home of John F Kennedy.
Well, see? That makes it all better, doesn't it?
During his first election campaign in 2000, English genealogists found that Mr Bush was descended from Essex yeomanry. But unlike many US presidents keen to impress the Irish-American voters, he never before claimed an Irish link.
Maybe he didn't know about it? Maybe he doesn't spend any time worrying about such things?
In the recent election campaign, the Democrat John Kerry had to deny rumours he was Irish. But Ronald Reagan and John F Kennedy played the Irish card. And Bill Clinton, perhaps aware that portraits of JFK hung beside the Pope above rural Irish fireplaces, once punched the air at a St Patrick's Day parade, declaring: "I feel more Irish each day."
"And I think I'm getting darker! Faith! And I'm the first Black Irish president!"
The jury is out on whether Strongbow had a "conquering" gene that drove him to invade. Michael Staunton, a lecturer in history at University College Dublin, felt Strongbow was simply desperate. "It was a typical colonial situation, the people who don't have much going for them decided to hop off to another country." Perhaps the most worrying question in New Ross is whether Mr Bush now has a claim on Leinster. "Yes of course, he probably does," Ms Griffin Bernstorff said. "But there are other families in the area who have a claim and neighbours and friends here would put up a pretty stiff fight."
And others who'd yawn and roll their eyes.
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Oh, ferchrissakes.
Bush is American. Period.
I wish these clowns would give it a rest.
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Why, yes, I'm sure he has a "conquering" gene from ol' Strongy. That explains everything about Iraq and Afghanistan. It was just a warm up for Leinster.
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What idiots! Bush is also related to Senator John Kerry, and to the lady currently sitting on the throne of England. We went through this several months before the election, and nobody here -- or there -- cared in the least. Fooey.
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Time Magazine ran an article about more than 3 years ago that Pres. Bush's Dad is related to Sadaam Hussein of Iraq ! That the late President Reagan is related to Quadafi , also ! They are both related to Pres. Nixon , too !
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Everybody thinks they are part of a family tree, but they don't realize that they are at ground level and their ancestors are a complicated pattern of roots. We covered this on Rantburg a long time ago when we learned that about 80% of people alive today can trace back to Mohammed -- or almost anybody else who lived 15 centuries ago.
How many live descendants does Strongbow have today? Probably many, many thousands in the U.S. alone. Maybe even John Kerry, Mike Sylwester, and Aris Katsaris. So what?
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Do the guardian readers really want to piss off the progeny of a power-hungry warlord, especially one associated with that unfortunate Norman incident?
Do you feel lucky? Well do you, socialist punks? Don't make us come over there and claim the right of droit du seigneur.
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Ed, are you sure you want to claim droit du seigneur with Guardian women? Yes, yes, improve the breed and so on, but even so!
EFL. Via Country Store.
Longtime Clinton aide Harold Ickes yesterday threw his support behind Howard Dean for the Democratic National Committee's new chief, fueling the growing belief Dean is unstoppable. Go, Deano, go!
Ickes, who heads Sen. Hillary Clinton's political action committee, said the Clintons aren't behind the move and then his nose grew a foot and his lips fell off
— Sen. Clinton's spokesman said she's neutral and other activists insist that other Clinton allies are trying to stop Dean. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Uh-huh. Sure they are. The Hildabeest's plan continues apace. 2008 will be very entertaining. Hope the Repubs are keeping records of all the leftie socialist things she said/did before she began her sham shift to the "middle." They'll need them.
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Oh please, oh please, oh please. Select this man.
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So the "hispanic caucus" has decided to stay on the plantation like good little Dem slaves.
Why am I not surprised?
By the way, what's with this racial/ethnicity caucus crap? Can you imagine the uproar if there were a white caucus? Guess none of these clowns remember King's words: "not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character."
But then I think the people in these caucuses are all Dems, so that would explain it.
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Just as the black racist groups were opposed to Rice, while more moderate civil rights groups supported her, the usual suspects of Democratic party and racist groups oppose Gonzales.
Of course, Senator Salazar (D-CO), former Secretary Cisneros (D), the Hispanic Conference, all support him.
An official in a small tourist town sued his colleagues Friday, saying they're unfairly targeting him for recall over his refusal to recite the Pledge of Allegiance at board meetings. "protect me from the consequences of deliberately being an asshole"
Estes Park town trustee David Habecker, who describes himself as agnostic, says the words "under God" in the pledge violate his religious beliefs and are at odds with the separation of church and state, according to his lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Denver. so? Don't say those two words
The lawsuit says Habecker exercises his First Amendment right to religious freedom and sits during Town Board meetings while other members recite the pledge. ahhh, so he wants to make a statement by sitting
Habecker's recall election is scheduled for Feb. 15. Several board members helped organize the recall committee, saying voters have lost confidence in Habecker's ability to represent patriotism and "common decency." "he's a pretentious arrogant a-hole"
"He has his rights, and so do we," said committee member Dewey Shanks. "We're at war. And I don't think now is the time to be fighting over this. He shouldn't have brought it up at this time." or ever, if a recall is an option
Habecker sued the recall committee, the town, the board of trustees and several officials in Estes Park, a town of about 5,500 residents about 60 miles northwest of Denver that is the eastern gateway to Rocky Mountain National Park. "Stop persecuting me!"
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Oh krutz, not another no-Pledge redux by the L³s, please!
Edited to give a taste of the article. Science junkies go read the whole thing.
According to several new studies on mercury levels in the United States, any reduction of such emissions at American power plants would have minimal impact since the factories currently produce less than 1 percent of the total mercury that ends up in our air, land and water.
The studies by the Center for Science and Public Policy (CSPP) also reveal that the mercury emissions from Yellowstone National Park and other natural sources dwarf the amount coming from the 1,100 coal-fired power plants in the U.S.
In the Jan. 21 study entitled "Fish, Mercury and Cardiac Health: A Review of the Current Literature," the CSPP reported the latest scientific data show curbing power plant mercury emissions would have no significant impact on atmospheric levels of mercury.
"This hypothesis appears supported by the presence of higher levels of mercury in 550-year-old Alaskan mummies than levels in a recent sample of pregnant native Alaskan women," said Robert Ferguson, executive director of the CSPP, a public policy research group based in Washington, D.C.
The CSPP findings come as the Bush administration prepares to implement a component of the Clear Skies initiative which calls for reducing mercury emissions from U.S. power plants by 70 percent by 2018.
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To tell you the truth, Bob, your career's not exactly on a roll lately either, so who really gives a shit if you stay or not?
Sucks, don't it? Tell me about it...
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Maybe he read that article about Irish students and got scared.
I wonder how many of these Hollywood idjits actually mean it when they say they're going to move. Ever notice how it's always the ones who haven't gotten a lot of work lately who spout off about leaving? Anything to get your name in the papers, I guess.
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Given how many say this sort of thing on top of all the other lies they tell, I just can't see anyone believing they'd actually do it. Besides, if they stay here we can give them a far better fate. Ignore them, don't see their movies, don't buy their products and more of them can end up in bankruptcy court.
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Do the Irish actually want Redford anyway .. In fact if I worked at customs and excise and I had a heavy weekend , ol Bob turns up Monday morning , i would quickly usher him to the departures lounge , just where his career is waiting for him
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
... A new study found that male monkeys will give up their juice rewards in order to ogle pictures of female monkey's bottoms. The way the experiment was set up, the act is akin to paying for the images, the researchers say. The rhesus macaque monkeys also splurged on photos of top-dog counterparts, the high-ranking primates. Maybe that's like you or me buying People magazine. ... Curiously, the monkeys in the test hadn't had any direct physical contact with the monkeys in the photos, so they didn't have personal experience with who was hot and who was not. ....
A SCENT exuded by young women as a subconscious sex attractant has been synthesised for post-menopausal women, who are finding it is luring men in droves, the British weekly New Scientist says. Forty-four women took part in an experiment to see whether the pheromone - an odour received by heterosexual men as a sign of mating availability - worked for females beyond child-bearing age. Half the group added a chemical copy of the pheromone to their perfume, while the other added a lookalike dummy compound. None of the participants knew whether they were getting the real ingredient or the fake. For the next six weeks, the women kept diaries.
... a Roermond [Holland] man [has] recently been refunded EUR 2,000 for the pistol he used to commit an armed robbery. In sentencing the 46-year-old man to four years jail last week, Breda Court also ordered him to repay the EUR 6,600 he stole from a bank in the Brabant town of Chaam. But the man had the price of the pistol he bought for the robbery deducted from the amount he was forced to repay. 
Voters would reject the European constitution by a margin of two to one, according to the first poll to use the question the Government has chosen to put to the country. A survey conducted since the wording was published on Wednesday suggests that 45 per cent of the public would vote against the constitution, with only 24 per cent in favour. Tony Blair has staked his reputation on winning the referendum, which is expected next spring if Labour wins the general election.
In the run-up to historic elections to choose a new Iraqi government, activists burned an effigy of US President George W Bush, railing against the occupation of Iraq amid doubts American troops will ever leave the country. Tens of thousands of leftist and left-leaning activists from around the world at the World Social Forum are convinced Saturday's election won't bring democracy and that American soldiers face a permanent stay in Iraq to influence the region and ensure a steady flow of oil. "The US will stay there to dominate the Middle East," Brazilian artist Jairo Silva said before an anti-Bush march on the third day of the social forum, held to protest the World Economic Forum under way in Davos, Switzerland. He added: "They'll stay there because the oil's there and so American companies can get all the contracts to rebuild a country America destroyed."
The Canadians are checking in. Canadians are logging on to the Canada Free Press website in droves, and it's largely courtesy of Fox News. Liberally quoting Rachel Marsden's insightful column about Fox News versus the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), I wrote a column, Thursday about what a dramatic improvement the more professional Fox News would be over leftwing slanted, taxpayer-funded CBC in balance-deprived Canada. The letters that poured in within the first day after the column affirm my belief that mainstream Canada wants Fox NOW.
An official in a small tourist town sued his colleagues Friday, saying they're unfairly targeting him for recall over his refusal to recite the Pledge of Allegiance at board meetings. 
