Or as the New York Times headlined it, Let's Draft Our Kids. Basically, they're proposing a forced labour levy for retirement home staff. Like Obamacare it's a way for the old to take from the young.
Well, the General merely pointed out that if/when we go to war, everyone should have skin in the game. That's certainly a good point. The issue is whether we have a 'peacetime' draft, and the writer of the op-ed piece (Tom Ricks) is of the mind that this is the opportunity (never let one go to waste, you know) to staff the nursing homes with lots of low-paid, poorly-skilled, poorly-motivated workers.
Oh. We have that now. I mean, more of the same.
Or you could spend 18 months in uniform, perform 'tasks', be guaranteed not to be deployed, and get a free college education. Such a deal. And read the list of 'tasks': mowing lawns, driving generals around, doing paperwork. It's clear that Mr. Ricks hasn't been around our military lately; it's as if he imagines a line of Army cooks with ladles handing out spam and imitation spuds.
He then claims that this would save 'billions' of dollars if 'implemented broadly and imaginatively'. That disqualifies both our present government and NYT writers.
It's just another progressive op-ed piece from a person who lives in a world with a different-colored sky than we have on Earth. Check out his major credential: 'fellow at the Center for a New American Security'. It's all you need to know.
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Those who dont want to serve in the army could perform civilian national service for a slightly longer period and equally low pay teaching in low-income areas, cleaning parks, rebuilding crumbling infrastructure, or aiding the elderly.
Yes, I know it's whatever the Left and its acolytes say it is a 'living breathing document' for some. However, it is specific on the point of what is a misnomer called the 'draft'. Let's walk through it.
Article I, Section 8 stipulates -
The Congress shall have power...
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
That power was one of the very first acts of Congress manifested in the Militia Acts of 1792 in which -
That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia,
That is carried on today in Title X USC, para 311.
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
The 'draft' is actually the activation of the federal militia, ie Selective Service. Anything outside that specific Constitutional authorization runs smack into the 13th Amendment.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Not that the lineage of the entire process is a bit of concern for those seeking the full Socialist State in which one exists to serve the state rather than the state exists to serve the people. Socialism is just another form of slavery.
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Spot on P2K. However and unfortunately, w/the way our courts are going I wouldn't be surprised if some future all-knowing SCOTUS finds a way to divinate even newer meanings to commonly understood words, terms, and phrases -- and thus provide a loop hole in order to get mandatory free-labor from the citizen. Especially if we are to believe the nonsensical statement that a tax is equal to a penalty or that an undocumented worker was just the poor victim of a dog eating his documents.
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Well,the General merely pointed out that if/when we go to war, everyone should have skin in the game. That's certainly a good point.
OK as long as this notion is extended to Congressmen/Women as well. There is no reason that a term (House) and part of a term (Senate) couldn't be served in the military. So long as it didn't ruin the military and so long as there was no exemption from combat. No reason the draft couldn't be extended to older able bodied people also.
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The idea of a draft or mandetory conscription is all but dead, you can forget about it. President Jimmy Carter killed it when he pardoned the 'draft dodgers' and they all quietly returned as free men. It was a Carter campaign promise and it all happened on January 21st, 1977.
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OK as long as this notion is extended to Congressmen/Women as well.
Back in the old Roman Republic, Senators would accompany the legions sent to war. So, if a legion was destroyed, usually a couple of the good old boys would die with it. It had a bit of a 'quality assurance' factor in making sure that the boys you sent out were as well prepared and well led as possible. Of course being human nature, sometimes they did opt for the popular over the competent and paid the price.
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I AM sick and tired of these mental midgets always bringing up the draft. Its a FING STUPID idea if you want a functional force. He is not all that clever after-all. Dumbass
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Seems like every four years someone talks about the draft, usually to scare voters into voting for Dems (who put the last pro-draft measure into Congress).
I would like citizens to have skin in the game but think the concept of a draft goes against what we believe in as a nation. Better to create a voluntary org that pays dirt but helps pay off student loans in some way.
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this is usually Chollie Rangel territory. Someone has to take up the stained banner now that Chollie almost lost his primary and this will likely be hi slast term . Remember the meme: all the military is made from poor minorities - facts be damned
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If he wants skin in the game - require every working American regardless of supposed economic class to pay a federal income tax (I'm good w/an across the board flat tax of 10% or less)...oh, and those on welfare lose the right to vote - sorry, but why should one who has no skin in the game be able to vote on the rights, property, and labor of those who do...
#18
Gone are the days when the government was responsible for the streets, garbage pickup, water, fire, etc.. They told us what that cost, we paid it.
In are the days when the government tells you what to eat, what to where, you wanna see a doctor - come see me first and if none of it is done the way THEY demand it be done, you pay a fine to them.
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The USDOD does not foresee fighting any more major wars thru the year 2050, iff not the rest of the 21st century - one of the best indicators of this line of thought is the US allowing women to serve in combat. Neither "post-US",World #1 wannabe Rising China, nor the Islamist-Jihadist Bomb + Global Jihad, is seemingly enuff to get the Fed-DOD to change its mind.
Given the above, IMO the only need now for a Draft is as OWG Jobs Program + mil protect the future North-South Amer Global "Unions", e.g. NAU + [anti-US?] OWG-NWO that no American = Amerikan, of the OWG Mighty USSA versus OWG Weak USRoA, has voted for, been asked to vote on, nor will be asked iff OWG Politicos have their way.
IOW, THE ONLY NEED FOR A DRAFT 2050-2100 IS TO PROTECT AMERIKA FROM AMERICANS.
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Meanwhile the current issue of the Navy Times has for it's screaming headlines: " Make E-4 in 5 or Get Booted." makes perfect sense; kick out willing olunteers that have already had massive training $$ invested PLUS experience for a bunch of unknowns. But then again we have the big Unknown-In-Chief in the WH.
[Saudi Gazette] The deadly car chase, involving a member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (Hai'a) on Sunday, allegedly led to the death of a Saudi national in Al-Baha region on Friday.
This accident was extensively covered in the local media and, in less than a day, users on social networking websites such as Twitter and Facebook were discussing it. The news was also widely circulated by international news agencies.
Meanwhile, ...back at the the conspirators' cleverly concealed hideout the long-awaited message arrived. They quickly got to work with their decoder rings... the official front man of the Hai'a in Al-Baha region, Nasser Al-Zahrani, refused to comment to Okaz news hounds.
As the official front man of the Hai'a, why wasn't Al-Zahrani at the scene of the accident? He should have participated in the rescue operation or at least been present at the location to get a clear understanding of what had happened and attempted to explain to the press who was responsible and what actions would be taken. Yet, for whatever reason or direction he received, he turned his cell phone off, giving the impression that the Hai'a was not responsible in any way for the accident and that those killed and injured were the guilty ones.
The victim becomes the accused. This is a classical tactic used by the Hai'a to evade responsibility. This time, it did not work as there are eyewitnesses, some of them coppers, who will assist authorities in their investigation.
And this time, the Hai'a cannot escape responsibility. What happened is not an isolated event; due to similar events in the past, Hai'a members were banned from taking part in car chases.
I do not want to describe how this accident - which resulted in the death of a man and hospitalization of his pregnant wife and two children - happened. I simply demand that the commission explain what happened and a thorough investigation of the accident take place.
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Over the past few months, ... leading up to the election...
writers from Charles Murray to Timothy Noah have frantically produced alarming work on the growing bifurcation of American society confirming what Karl Marx referred to as the Law of Increasing Poverty. Now the eminent Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam and his team (if gov't funding holds out)
are publishing research that's more horrifying. Simply horrifying I tell you. We really are doomed.
While most social justice studies look at inequality of outcomes among minority adults and help us understand how America is totally racist and
coming apart, Ruined I tell you, we're bloody DOOMED!
Putnam's graduate assistant groupies were directed to examine inequality of opportunities among children. .... rips at your heart strings does it not, those children?
They (fully born, upright primate children)
help us understand what the country will look like in the decades ahead. ...should we have that long.
The quick answer? More divided than ever. but you knew where this was going. All once again pointing to "The Rich Get Rich", a line from the 1921 hit song Ain't We Got Fun.
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So, I should consider it 'social injustice' because being short, small and slow I'll never qualify for an NBA player salary? Was it 'social injustice' that my draft number came up 97 while the ladies of my year group had none? Can we play the 'victimhood' game instead of dealing with life as its been in all of human history, like dealing with 'elites' who want to define and impose their 'order' on the rest of us with whatever excuse they can conjure up.
Who is being oppressed here??? It's the taxed! With the current tax system "Social justice" is an inversion of justice whereby you are fined for creating wealth and doing things others value!
#3
The Tyranny of the recipient (to steal a phrase - npi) is alive and well.
I can think of few bigger social injustices than the lie promulgated by Statists to their un-washed masses about having some right to equal economic results under the law.
#4
"Karl Marx referred to as the Law of Increasing Poverty"
If one understand Marxism and doesn't just parrot the quotes you'd understand that is what Marxism does to a society. It increases poverty. Anyone that would quote Marx in anything but a negative way shows themselves the fool.
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The problem we have no is we've created a welfare system that is closer to a hammock than a safety net and regulated most entry level jobs out of the equation so they've gone offshore or been taken over by illegals. The combination all but ensures poverty and drug rates increase while those that stay in the work force gain ground.
[Dawn] FEW people use the term 'crisis' any longer when speaking of the situation in the country. It would seem that, like so much else, our political thinking and vocabulary have undergone a radical change. We prefer bravura -- or a kind of cynical mirth -- to gravity. And we blithely have recourse to eclectic neologisms such as memogate or mediagate. We are loath to call a spade a spade.
However, some men learn by reading. A few learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves... what we confront today is not just the aftershock of scandals of state but a crisis of far bigger proportions.
First, there is a crisis of confidence arising out of a countrywide erosion of faith in the ability of the government to deliver. The issues are well-known. The problem of energy looms larger than any other. We have seen violent street protests, more so in Punjab than elsewhere, over the recent power outages there. An undue release of water for hydropower generation, together with a failure on the part of our rulers to address the issue of building key dams, has accordingly been responsible for a severe water shortage.
The law and order situation, especially in Bloody Karachi ...formerly the capital of Pakistain, now merely its most important port and financial center. It may be the largest city in the world, with a population of 18 million, most of whom hate each other and many of whom are armed and dangerous... , has more or less spun out of control, leaving people dead on an almost daily basis. The cycle of 'terror' continues in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa ... formerly NWFP, still Terrorism Central... , unabated. And despite some recent budgetary placebos, crippling inflation has put paid to any illusions we may have had about the overall package of democracy.
The poor are more bereft and, despite the Benazir Income Support Programme and other short-term poverty alleviation measures, demoralised than ever before. If nothing else, last year's floods left no one in any doubt about that. What we saw in the rural areas of Sindh, for instance, was -- the scramble for monetary handouts and air-dropped relief goods notwithstanding -- rampant misery and its equally insidious twin, apathy.
In short, President Zardari's strategic laissez faire -- or conduct of government by default -- is scarcely more plausible than Pervez Perv Musharraf ... former dictator of Pakistain, who was less dictatorial and corrupt than any Pak civilian government to date ... 's modified absolutism. We might reasonably have expected the emergence of something like a pastoral state
Happy shepherds and shepherdesses cavorting gaily among the flowered arbors? An odd image, under the circumstances...
after the trauma of prolonged military rule but what came about instead was a self-serving dispensation that merely catered to the few. That the president has been able to keep this house of cards in place is thought by many to mark him out as a master of the power game though this seems to consist largely of his ability to play on the venality of those around him.
What bedevils us further is a sort of crisis of authority. No one will deny that, ever since the dissolution of the NRO by the Supreme Court, a cloud has hung over the presidency. Vital questions had arisen about the holder of the presidential office in the Supreme Court's verdict. The president's constitutional cover had been blown and his legitimacy called into question.
Constitutional experts are given to holding forth at length on the issue of immunity. And we are by now all too familiar with the contents of Article 248. However, the difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits... for the common man, that is now almost beside the point. The overriding issue, for him, is no longer legal but moral. Whatever the legal and constitutional merits of the case, it is the moral duty of the president, if only for the sake of the dignity of his office, to clear his name of the opprobrium imputed to it.
It is demeaning for the citizens of the country to have to live in the shadow of this and of related mud-slinging by various politicians. The president must remember that, before all else, he is a symbol of the federation. And regardless of the flagrant decline in values and cynicism in the country, that still happens to be of consequence.
Needless to say, the Supreme Court has no dearth of detractors in a context where principle has virtually gone by the board.
Not so long ago we saw the majority in parliament ranged against it. It seems not to have struck them that, instead of moving for constitutional exemption from contempt of court, it would serve them better to try to understand the rationale behind the dissolution of the NRO along with the disqualification of the former prime minister.
In all fairness, the Supreme Court's landmark NRO verdict would seem to have been inspired, above all, by a desire on its part to start the country off, constitutionally, on a clean slate. Upholding the NRO would have meant laying, at a time when a new beginning was being made, a foundation of taint for future generations of Paks and ratifying what would have been, in a way, the mother of PCOs.
In fact, the NRO was the poison chalice which our last military strongman had cynically prepared for the country's savvy yet ultimately artless politicians so as to ensure their moral subjection for all time to come. That precisely was what the Supreme Court judges, with remarkable foresight, had wished to pre-empt.
It would help, once and for all, to identify the enemy. It is the anarchist mindset which has evolved over time, conditioned by history and will, given half a chance, subvert the basic law for its own ends when it can. We have seen it at work in different guises in the past -- in jackboots as well as civvies. We caught a glimpse of it recently vituperating against the Supreme Court at a presser in Islamabad. It is ubiquitous. We must see to it that it does not make good again.
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Wehell, for one the Artic may show why the Taliban, etal. are not interested in turning from Insurgency-Jihad to formal trilateral peace talks.
"2014" or Post-2014" may be much more important decisive for the US-NATO as per Islamabad, not Kabul like everyone thinks.
[Dawn] ONE single front against the government or selective electoral alliances? A campaign now or should the thrust wait until the election for greater vitality?
These are the questions for opposition politicians right now. The estimates their choices reflect are quite often at variance with the 'general' observations and 'scientific' surveys that suggest the toppling of the government and the PPP's final and total dismissal from the field was only a weak push away.
So what if this is Multan and a by-election in Yousuf Raza Gilani's ... Pakistain's former prime minister, whose occasional feats of mental gymnastics could be awe-inspiring ... constituency -- its repercussions will be felt far and wide. The PML-N has dropped its own candidate in favour of a younger brother of Sikandar Bosan, the PTI's third big catch in Multan along with Makhdooms Javed Hashmi and Shah Mehmood Wormtongue Qureshi.
Whatever the result of the contest, the NA-151 seat Abdul Qadir Gilani seeks to secure in the polls 10 days from now is set to add greater vigour to calls for a joint front against the PPP.
For the formerly principled PTI that wouldn't sully itself in by-elections, for a PML-N which is threatened by the PTI, for the two parties' extremely popular leaders, this is a contest well worth fighting, and fighting together. The maulanas busy taking out a march on Islamabad can wait.
The Difaa-e-Pakistain Council is captained by veterans looking for a new vocation -- political if fate so ordains. With their long march from Lahore to Islamabad, the Difaa leaders are primarily seeking to set off a chain that could bring President Asif Ali Ten Percent Zardari ... husband of the late Benazir Bhutto, who has been singularly lacking in curiosity about who done her in ... to his knees.
The PML-N doesn't disapprove of the Difaa. It, like PTI, has been sending messages and spokesmen to DPC rallies but has refrained from joining the Difaa formally. The PML-N chooses to wait for election, or if the ever imaginative bookmakers from Islamabad are to be given some credence, for the first signs of a national government to emerge.
The PML-N has grown wary of aligning itself with a group that takes on the United States as it challenges President Zardari. The lines have sharpened over time. The Islamists and the West -- yesterday's opponents -- are today bitter enemies and the situation requires defter handling from alternative rulers.
This is probably why the Sharifs have kept the Jamaat-e-Islami ...The Islamic Society, founded in 1941 in Lahore by Maulana Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, aka The Great Apostosizer. The Jamaat opposed the independence of Bangladesh but has operated an independent branch there since 1975. It maintains close ties with international Mohammedan groups such as the Moslem Brotherhood. the Taliban, and al-Qaeda. The Jamaat's objectives are the establishment of a pure Islamic state, governed by Sharia law. It is distinguished by its xenophobia, and its opposition to Westernization, capitalism, socialism, secularism, and liberalist social mores... , their once natural ally, at a distance -- forcing the Jamaat into PTI's corner. But even this PTI-JI combination is far from a long-term alliance. It is as loose as the ever-shifting fundamentals of politics.
Some months ago, the PTI would have been all too happy to add their flag to the DPC marchers' caravan. But the PTI has evolved and expanded and compromised fast and today it is bound by the constraints of a recognised power player.
Its failure to positively answer the Difaa invitation over a common cause shows its maturity and adds to its credentials as a contender for power. It can only improve from here.
For the time being, it is the Sharifs who must appear to be more adept at separating the emotional from what is possible. As expected their response to the reopening of the NATO ...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A cautionary tale of cost-benefit analysis.... routes hasn't quite been in sync with the general condemnation by angry natives.
They are the fence-sitters for now, until and unless the buildup is huge enough for the marchers to suck them in. This is what the big parties can afford to do. They wait.
If not the whole of that movement the day Nawaz Sharif ... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf... went on his famous short long march for the restoration of judges should illustrate the point.
The Jamaat cadres as well as some other relatively smaller parties were the most active on the day, determined to go the whole hog. By the time Nawaz came out to lead, it was over bar the ceremony which he then happily presided over.
The onus of listing support of the big parties, such as the PML-N and PTI, is on the DPC. The council must prove theirs as a show which enjoys a big enough following to be attractive to the 'genuine' replacements to today's government.
If the size is right, it becomes that much easier for those beholden to national and international kingmakers to justify their joining an agitation. As popular politicians they cannot stay away from a procession that represents the wishes of everyone around.
Two, and more importantly, the genuine contenders for power are also there to temper the extreme views the gathering originally harboured.
At the top of the pack, they function like does democracy: they moderate. They are a guarantee to the concerned and always relevant against the crowd taking too jihad boy a course.
The next phase is where the list of the agitators' objectives is carefully vetted to bring it in conformity with local needs and international standards. The DPC long march is an expression in anger whose dangerous jihad boy makers don't as yet offer an alternative to President Asif Ali Zardari.
This is their dilemma and leaves them courting the big names that can be advertised as the alternative, at the risk of being once again pushed to the side.
In the unlikely event of the PML-N taking the wheels of the bandwagon, the natives affected by NATO will surely take a back seat.
The refrain will change from the demands of severing ties to a more efficient, honourable handling of relationship.
The danger would be contained. Stability of the existing order would be ensured. In the minds of the ditched natives, the US-NATO truck against the Paks will continue. Instead of a march, election would seek to achieve just that.
The moot point is whether the main contenders -- the alternate rulers -- are capable enough to moderate the mood in a post-election Pakistain?
They will struggle unless they are fully cognisant of the strength of the marchers and are fully backed by powerful forces outside the ranks of the ever-suspected politicians.
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[Dawn] FROM interference in domestic politics to enforced disappearances to the harassment of citizens on dubious premises, Inter Services Intelligence has often been accused of overreaching its domain and resisting civilian control, despite technically being answerable to the prime minister. While the agency might have decided to play a less overt part in politics in recent years, suspicions about its role linger -- exacerbated by the swift shutting down of efforts to bring it under the purview of the interior ministry -- and a private member's bill that now seeks to increase civilian oversight of the ISI is a bold and welcome move. Given the sensitive nature of the issues the agency deals with, though, it cannot be treated like any other government department. So a tricky balance will have to be struck between accountability and ensuring that sensitive information, and the country's security, are not compromised. Either too much or too little interference could render such an oversight framework ineffective.
But it is too early to tell whether the bill will survive, and there are signs of some reluctance to address the issue head-on. It provides, for example, for 30 days of detention of suspects that can be extended to 90 days and beyond. This would now require increased paperwork and approvals. Still, such a provision could be used to continue to deprive detainees of timely and fair trials. This is especially problematic when it comes to nabbed Please don't kill me! Pak citizens, since the ISI's primary mandate is to deal with external threats. Timidity is also obvious in the approach the government has taken. The proposed legislation has been introduced as a private member's bill but was moved by the president's spokesperson and high-profile PPP loyalist Farhatullah Babar, indicating an attempt to test the waters without putting the party in a position where it has to own the bill if the gamble doesn't pay off. And perhaps this is such tricky terrain that a pragmatic strategy is needed. However it was introduced, though, its reception in parliament should be an interesting test of how willing elected representatives are to assert rightful civilian control.
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Correct me iff I'm wrong, but isn't that Claire Trevor in the side pic???
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
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[Saudi Gazette] The deadly car chase, involving a member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (Hai'a) on Sunday, allegedly led to the death of a Saudi national in Al-Baha region on Friday.
Over the past few months,
[Dawn] FEW people use the term 'crisis' any longer when speaking of the situation in the country. It would seem that, like so much else, our political thinking and vocabulary have undergone a radical change. We prefer bravura -- or a kind of cynical mirth -- to gravity. And we blithely have recourse to eclectic neologisms such as memogate or mediagate. We are loath to call a spade a spade.
Pervez 
[Dawn] ONE single front against the government or selective electoral alliances? A campaign now or should the thrust wait until the election for greater vitality?
Mehmood 
President Asif Ali 
Nawaz Sharif
[Dawn] FROM interference in domestic politics to enforced disappearances to the harassment of citizens on dubious premises, Inter Services Intelligence has often been accused of overreaching its domain and resisting civilian control, despite technically being answerable to the prime minister. While the agency might have decided to play a less overt part in politics in recent years, suspicions about its role linger -- exacerbated by the swift shutting down of efforts to bring it under the purview of the interior ministry -- and a private member's bill that now seeks to increase civilian oversight of the ISI is a bold and welcome move. Given the sensitive nature of the issues the agency deals with, though, it cannot be treated like any other government department. So a tricky balance will have to be struck between accountability and ensuring that sensitive information, and the country's security, are not compromised. Either too much or too little interference could render such an oversight framework ineffective.
