Hi there, !
Today Fri 08/19/2011 Thu 08/18/2011 Wed 08/17/2011 Tue 08/16/2011 Mon 08/15/2011 Sun 08/14/2011 Sat 08/13/2011 Archives
Rantburg
533705 articles and 1862026 comments are archived on Rantburg.

Today: 49 articles and 241 comments as of 12:04.
Post a news link    Post your own article   
Area: WoT Operations    WoT Background    Non-WoT        Politix   
Libyan rebels push to isolate Tripoli
Today's Headlines
Headline Comments [Views]
Page 4: Opinion
4 00:00 JosephMendiola [7] 
28 00:00 trailing wife [5] 
9 00:00 JosephMendiola [12] 
Page 1: WoT Operations
3 00:00 Dale [7]
7 00:00 Dale [6]
4 00:00 swksvolFF [9]
0 [7]
0 [6]
0 [13]
0 [10]
1 00:00 American Delight [12]
0 [9]
5 00:00 JosephMendiola [6]
0 [9]
1 00:00 Mitch H. [9]
2 00:00 Pappy [6]
Page 2: WoT Background
0 [6]
1 00:00 S [3]
0 [4]
47 00:00 RandomJD [8]
0 [4]
2 00:00 JosephMendiola [6]
1 00:00 Anguper Hupomosing9418 [5]
1 00:00 Anguper Hupomosing9418 [11]
1 00:00 Caesar Shatle4190 [9]
0 [7]
0 [6]
4 00:00 Eohippus Phater7165 [6]
0 [9]
1 00:00 JosephMendiola [11]
2 00:00 trailing wife [5]
0 [10]
0 [8]
5 00:00 phil_b [13]
0 [10]
4 00:00 SteveS [5]
Page 3: Non-WoT
0 [6]
11 00:00 Perfesser [12]
6 00:00 Nimble Spemble [7]
10 00:00 tu3031 [10]
4 00:00 Ebbang Uluque6305 [6]
15 00:00 SteveS [12]
5 00:00 Bright Pebbles [5]
1 00:00 Frank G on the road [7]
8 00:00 Eohippus Phater7165 [8]
0 [9]
Page 6: Politix
6 00:00 Eohippus Phater7165 [8]
16 00:00 Theack Big Foot2300 [9]
26 00:00 bigjim-CA [10]
Britain
Mark Steyn: Lessons for us from London in flames
...Big Government debauches not only a nation's finances but its human capital, too.

...one-fifth of children are raised in homes in which no adult works – in which the weekday ritual of rising, dressing and leaving for gainful employment is entirely unknown. One-tenth of the adult population has done not a day's work since Tony Blair took office on May 1, 1997.

If you were born into such a household, you've been comprehensively "stimulated" into the dead-eyed zombies staggering about the streets this past week: pathetic inarticulate subhumans unable even to grunt the minimal monosyllables to BBC interviewers desperate to appease their pathologies. C'mon, we're not asking much: just a word or two about how it's all the fault of government "cuts" like the leftie columnists argue. And yet even that is beyond these baying beasts.

...Her Majesty's cowed and craven politically correct constabulary stand around with their riot shields and Robocop gear as young rioters lob concrete through store windows to steal the electronic toys which provide their only non-narcotic or alcoholic amusement. I chanced to be in Piccadilly for the springtime riots when the police failed to stop the mob from smashing the windows of the Ritz and other upscale emporia, so it goes without saying that they wouldn't lift a finger to protect less-prestigious private property from thugs. Some of whom are as young as 9 years old. And girls.

Yet a police force all but entirely useless when it comes to preventing crime or maintaining public order has time to police everything else. When Sam Brown observed en passant to a mounted policeman on Cornmarket Street in Oxford, "Do you know your horse is gay?", he was surrounded within minutes by six officers and a fleet of patrol cars, handcuffed, tossed in the slammer overnight, and fined 80 pounds.

...This is the logical dead end of the Nanny State. When William Beveridge laid out his blueprint for the British welfare regime in 1942, his goal was the "abolition of want" to be accomplished by "co-operation between the State and the individual." In attempting to insulate the citizenry from life's vicissitudes, Sir William succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. As I write in my book: "Want has been all but abolished. Today, fewer and fewer Britons want to work, want to marry, want to raise children, want to lead a life of any purpose or dignity."
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/16/2011 02:59 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There is no Truth and there is no God. Values are relative. It all depends on what you "feel" is right "for you". There is no right and wrong and if it feels good why, then.... do it. All that Judeo-Christian BS is for nerds and suckers. Everybody owes it to me.

I want what's fair, I want more.
And i don't want a job.

All the rules are just made up anyway, right? There IS no one and nothing over the individuals decision about what they think is good for them personally. And what is good for an individual is his own self interest. I can attack you in the street and take what you have because I want it. There ain't no right and wrong. Shut up and give me your wallet and take off your clothes. And gays are just as good as everybody else. Sometimes they are better. What's wrong with a whole lifestyle that revolves around MY penis, anyway?

God is just made up and its all baloney. Gimme...and be quick about it. Rules are for suckers and I have my "rights".

Work is for suckers too. You can't tell ME what to do, I have my "rights".

But we all have "rights"...based on nothing, of course, except "what's fair"...which is another way of saying what we find most advantageous to our self interests.
If we "get some" for nuthin'.... then of course, that's what's "fair".

You diss off to ME, mofo..... and I will burn your house down and take everything you have.I dont think any of the gay cops should carry guns anyway, it might interfere with my "rights".

See you in Church, Dwayne.
Posted by: de Medici || 08/16/2011 6:51 Comments || Top||

#2  I believe it is regarded as a sign of insanity to start quoting oneself, but at the risk of trying your patience I'll try one more, because it's the link between America's downgraded debt and Britain's downgraded citizenry:

"The evil of such a system is not the waste of money but the waste of people."

Big Government means small citizens: it corrodes the integrity of a people, catastrophically. Within living memory, the city in flames on our TV screens every night governed a fifth of the Earth's surface and a quarter of its population. When you're imperialists on that scale, there are bound to be a few mishaps along the way. But nothing the British Empire did to its subject peoples has been as total and catastrophic as what a post-great Britain did to its own.

There are lessons for all of us there.


Unfortunately nobody (besides us and TeaPartiers) are interested in listening...
Posted by: CrazyFool in the Philippines || 08/16/2011 7:26 Comments || Top||

#3  a police force all but entirely useless when it comes to preventing crime or maintaining public order has time to police everything else.
There have been lots of comments on British websites about this pattern, and 'attitude' on the part of the police. One wrote of a middle-aged, middle-class Britisher asking a PC riding a bicycle in an area marked 'no bicycles', "Is bicycle riding allowed here?" The PC didn't answer the question and then threatened to arrest him for obstructing police business.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/16/2011 12:52 Comments || Top||

#4  What part of :

This is the logical dead end of the Nanny State. When William Beveridge laid out his blueprint for the British welfare regime in 1942, his goal was the "abolition of want" to be accomplished by "co-operation between the State and the individual." In attempting to insulate the citizenry from life's vicissitudes, Sir William succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. As I write in my book: "Want has been all but abolished. Today, fewer and fewer Britons want to work, want to marry, want to raise children, want to lead a life of any purpose or dignity."

is factually incorrect?
Posted by: no mo uro || 08/16/2011 13:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Why do you insist on being rude and insulting when the same thing can be said without being rude and insulting, Shakey Steve? I know a number of physicists and mathematicians, and all of them, uniformly, are polite and charming. It can't be because you are merely an MS, as even the one who was all-but-dissertation, as they say, had those characteristics. Nor can it be because you are Canadian, as most of the
Canadians I know are also polite and charming.

So what the fuck is your excuse for acting like the kind of unmitigated, thirteen year old ass that prompted Mark Twain to prescribe nailing them all into a barrel, feeding them through the bung hold until they reached majority, then pounding in the bung? You shame every set you are part of by choosing such behavior when you are so capable of doing otherwise.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2011 14:11 Comments || Top||

#6 
Birth rates are higher, now?

Illegitimacy rates are lower, now?

Entrepreneurship and the work ethic are more dominant, now?

Most importantly, there were more people on public assistance in the 1940's than now?


Your data set is flawed, if you believe any of those things. All the facts point the other way. But don't let the facts interrupt your crappy little subhuman narrative.


Posted by: no mo uro || 08/16/2011 14:18 Comments || Top||

#7  What part of Mr. Steyn's statement is incorrect, Shakey?

Entrepreneurship in Britain is down. Unemployment is up. The number of people on the dole is up.

The marriage rate in Britain is down. The fertility rate is down in all groups except Muslims.

And one really can't claim that people are living 'lives of purpose' when they're loot appliance stores.

So tell me, what part did Mr. Steyn get wrong?
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2011 14:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Tut, tut, tw. You're letting him get to you. He seems to me like the kind of juvenile who thrives on attention and doesn't care how he gets it. Try ignoring him and maybe he'll go away.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/16/2011 14:32 Comments || Top||

#9  I don't find that funny at all. His choice, his prerogative.

Unless you are suggesting that the US government should force its citizenship upon him?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/16/2011 14:38 Comments || Top||

#10  "Unless you are suggesting that the US government should force its citizenship upon him?"

Yes I am cuz, let me tell you, we don't want him...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/16/2011 14:45 Comments || Top||

#11  Yes I am cuz, let me tell you, we don't want him...
Posted by: Shakey Steve


"We"? LOL you and your imaginary friends?
Posted by: Frank G on the road || 08/16/2011 15:05 Comments || Top||

#12  You go, tw! :-D
Posted by: Barbara || 08/16/2011 15:49 Comments || Top||

#13  People! Please! Remember rule #3: Don't feed the trolls.

They thrive on recognition but wilt when ignored.

Lacking attention they just . . . eventually . . . . go away.

On behalf of all Canadians who, like me, have been enjoying the delights of 15 year old Laphroaig this afternoon, I wish to apologize for the behaviour and singular lack of manners that have been displayed by "Silly Steve" who claims to be a Canadian but doesn't act like one.

His keyboard diarrehoea is NOT indicative of the thoughts of a thinking Canuckistanian adult, but rather is the result of an attention-requiring personality seeking fodder for its greatest psychological need. The pathology is quite clear.

Ya know . . . this 15 year old Laphroaig is GREAT stuff!!

Posted by: Canuckistan sniper || 08/16/2011 16:02 Comments || Top||

#14  "Ya know . . . this 15 year old Laphroaig is GREAT stuff!!"

Can I have some of what your drinking? Clearly its altering your perception of reality...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/16/2011 16:06 Comments || Top||

#15  By the way, it's not "Canuckistanian adult" but "Canuck adult"...unless in Winnipeg your taught to call Afghans "Afghanistanians"...which wouldn't surprise me...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/16/2011 16:10 Comments || Top||

#16  Canuckistan sniper, no need to apologize for an idiot just because he's (alas) a fellow countryman. I don't apologize for Bambi et al.

We know he's not the real Canada. In fact, he sounds more like a left coast left-wing wanna-be who would be much happier in an echo chamber like the puffington host (or worse), but I suppose he (it?) has a Canadian IP address. More's the pity.
Posted by: Barbara || 08/16/2011 16:21 Comments || Top||

#17  My hat's off to the magnificent bastard who created Shakey Steve since it caused us to examine and articulate the absurdity of the Left
Posted by: jack salami || 08/16/2011 16:25 Comments || Top||

#18  but I suppose he (it?) has a Canadian IP address

Ottowa, Barbara.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2011 16:43 Comments || Top||

#19  IP address can be changed like underwear.

Back on topic....

A society that is given everything with nothing demanded in return will continue to demand more and more until there is nothing left to give.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/16/2011 16:49 Comments || Top||

#20  Who wants to see de Medici vs. Shakey Steve in a steel-cage death match?!?!?
I do.

Ha ha.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 08/16/2011 17:24 Comments || Top||

#21  Ahhhhhhhhhh, Laphroaig. Nectar of the gods.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/16/2011 18:02 Comments || Top||

#22  I still prefer Oban, but I'd never turn down a glass of single malt.


I already gave Simple Stevie the wishes that he'd seek professional medical help for his sad delusions, but it was a futile wish I'm sure. He'd rather wallow in stupidity and ignorance instead.

Congratulations Stevie, you are now classified as vermin and therefore will be ignored as unworthy of notice.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 08/16/2011 18:11 Comments || Top||

#23  I say keep de Medici and boot Shakey
Posted by: Beavis || 08/16/2011 18:14 Comments || Top||

#24  Don't give up Shakey Steve, listen to TW and approach RB with Humility.

If you have an F-150 story that would be good too.

Posted by: S || 08/16/2011 18:23 Comments || Top||

#25  I once drove a fullsize Bronco crammed with 11 mens, wimmins and childrens (including the Navaho guide) through Canyon De Chelly without any major injuries.

Something like that, Delirium Tremons Stve.
Posted by: Pollyandrew || 08/16/2011 19:48 Comments || Top||

#26  TW,

I used to be a mathematician: Publish or Perish, and I perished. I have known some amazingly nasty mathematicians in my time, and some who were just loud and forceful. I'm not giving names because it wouldn't do any good.

My area of mathematics was Riemann Surfaces and Teichmüller Spaces; Teichmüller was a Nazi who published in the only Jüdenrein journal in mathematical history, and was MIA on the Russian front.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 08/16/2011 20:20 Comments || Top||

#27  Obviously he was captured by the Russians and sent to a Gulag, where he was whipped daily by evil KGB agents who forced him to produce new and wonderful math which they then burned in front of him.

And my work truck is an F-150. Did you know that sliding sideways down a hill toward a river in an F-150 at 50 mph at night during freaking winter is NOT a fun thing? But to it's credit, a little gas and proper steering straightened it out and I did not fly out into the river to land with a splash. So, while I might malign ford sometimes, I will give it the proper dues and note that it is a fine and comfy truck that has gotten me everywhere I needed to go, be there snow, ice, mud, or some bizarre combo thereof. Good truck.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 08/16/2011 20:30 Comments || Top||

#28  Eric, I shall happily add you to my list of polite and charming mathematicians. I always attributed the nastiness to clever idiots lacking the key social skill of understanding that when one annoys others, they won,t let him play with their toys, and that isn,t worth the momentary amusement.

Publish or perish is the ruination of academia, but I don,t doubt the outside world benefitted from your transfer.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2011 23:58 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Obama’s Paradoxes-VDH
Consider the myriad paradoxes of the Obama age. Unprecedented government borrowing is out of control, unsustainable, and finally causing financial markets to panic. Yet we are told that the necessary cutting ahead will further stall the stalled economy. We went from $9 trillion to $14 trillion in aggregate debt in order to jump-start a sluggish recovery, and failed — only to be warned that if we do not proceed to incur even more debt — from $14 trillion to $16 trillion — we will stall the stalled effort to restart the stalled economy. So more of what did not work most surely will work?

The Left insists that the real problem is not unmanageable debt, but near-record unemployment, as if the two were unrelated. Most Americans apparently once agreed, as Obama easily borrowed nearly $5 trillion in his first two and a half years in office, supposedly to stimulate employers into hiring workers. We are now told the U.S. must borrow more, and should worry less, not more, about paying the money back. The logic of the new Keynesians is that stimulus is never quite achieved because indebtedness is never quite large enough — an Achilles-and-the-tortoise paradox that only insolvency will finally dispel.

Rioting in London and flash mobbing in American cities have raised another paradox: Does contemporary looting and violence follow from physical deprivation or from a boredom, envy, and anger caused by too many subsidies and too little personal initiative and self-reliance? We know that the more we ensure that young people have generous unemployment insurance and government money for housing, food, and education, the more they are likely not to get up at 6 a.m. and take an extra class or look for a job. And yet the more we provide such bread-and-circuses dependencies, the more it becomes dangerous to question such life support. Ask the Emperor Justinian, who cut back on a bloated civil-service and entitlement bureau — and earned the Nika riots, which almost toppled his regime. So even as we suspect that the welfare state is unsustainable, we are told that it alone can prevent social unrest — which we suspect is currently brought about by the welfare state.
We worry about our youth, citing high unemployment among those under 25, a $16 trillion debt bequeathed to them, a bankrupt Social Security and Medicare system propped up by a shrinking and poor youth cohort working for an affluent and long-lived aging generation. But we also fret that young people are not quite suffering in Depression-era style, but instead are hooked on iPhones, iPads, iPods, DVDs, and video games. A new profile of the stay-at-home, electronics-laden, late-20-something-year-old suggests that millions are earning just enough for entertainment, car payments, and gas, subsidized by mom and dad with free rent, food, and laundry. Are today’s students saddled with the highest per capita student-loan debt in history, and at the same time more pampered and learning less than any previous generation?

We all receive impassioned fund-raising letters from our almae matres about cruel budget cuts that threaten brilliant research and inspired teaching. But we also know that universities have more drone administrators subsidized by exploited part-time teachers than ever, as the percentage of the college budget devoted to non-instruction is at an all-time high. So do we give money to save a pathological university as it is, or withhold it on the logic that only scarcity will force it to prune unnecessary spending that is not merely superfluous to learning but actually antithetical to it?

When Barack Obama won the election in 2008, he was quite right that the old system needed fixing. America’s debt, its poorly educated youth, its imbalances in trade, its counterproductive tax system, its out-of-control annual spending, its culture of entitlement and subsidies, all in perfect-storm fashion were starting to coalesce and weaken America from within and the perception of America abroad. The statesmanlike thing to do — in the manner of a once-naïve Harry Truman, who woke up to the threat of Soviet-inspired global Communism, or of a Bill Clinton, who finally addressed some of the contradictions of the welfare state and deficit spending — would have been to overhaul the tax system, recalibrate Social Security and Medicare, cut spending, lecture the citizenry on personal responsibility, and address the therapeutic curriculum in our failing schools. With a 70 percent approval rating and supermajorities in both houses of Congress, Obama could have done almost anything throughout 2009.

Instead, he chose the path of Jimmy Carter and the pre-1995 Bill Clinton — even more redistributive state programs, more stifling regulations, more petulant talk about “them,” more class warfare, more debt, and more failed big government.

As a genuine reactionary wedded to the dream of the 1960s, Obama not only rejected the idea of national renewal, but hastened by a decade or so our day of reckoning with the out-of-control welfare state. Was he naïve in thinking that the private sector could be hectored and harassed, and still create enough new wealth to fund his growing redistributive agenda? Or was he Machiavellian in seeing that only by massive new debt, government regulations, and spread-the-wealth programs would America be reduced to the status of just another indebted European-style socialist state — in itself a good and long-overdue thing?

Finally, one last paradox remains: The once-divine Obama will do more to discredit the Left than any other progressive in modern history — as its greatest dream becomes its worst nightmare.
Posted by: Beavis || 08/16/2011 06:01 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Finally, one last paradox remains: The once-divine Obama will do more to discredit the Left than any other progressive in modern history -- as its greatest dream becomes its worst nightmare.

Hopefully our great nation will somehow survive the lessons learned.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/16/2011 11:34 Comments || Top||

#2  The once-divine Obama will do more to discredit the Left than any other progressive in modern history I don't see that happening unless the US is stricken by a major disaster - far worse than 9/11 -- aggravated by Obamanian misfeasance, malfeasance and nonfeasance. Something on the order of the Times of Suckage as described in John Ringo's "The Last Centurion."
the necessary cutting ahead will further stall the stall economy Absolutely, GOP ignores this little shortcoming of fiscal responsibility to their peril. The price for economic stupidity and fiscal irresponsibility must be paid sooner or later, and it will hurt no matter what.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/16/2011 13:00 Comments || Top||

#3  I have seen several news reports referring to a connection between Hoover and Obama. The bad luck theme.This story is old but was ahead of it's time.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562

My schooling of Hoover was so unbalanced.
Posted by: Dale || 08/16/2011 21:36 Comments || Top||

#4  To paraph CNN AM > "AMERICAN MORNING" SHOW segment > PANEL REPORTER = opined that THE REASONABLE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN CHARGE OR CONTROL OF FIXING AMERICA'S OUTSTANDING/EXCESSIVE DEFICITS + DEBTS.

IMO 'twas a slap at both POTUS BAMMER + ADMIN, as well as GOP-DEMS.

Thank goodness thats settled.

versus

* FOXNEWS AM > FOX FIVE = YA KNOW POTUS BAMMER IS IN SERIOUS POL TROUBLE, ESPEC WID HIS OWN DEMOLEFT, WHEN EVEN HUFFPO'S ARIANA HUFFINGTON DISAGREES WID HIM.

* IIRC CNN + FOX [old] > THE DEMS DIDN'T WANT TO AGREE TO ANY DEBT DEAL UNTIL THE GOP AGREED TO SHARE IN THE BLAME???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2011 22:32 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Religious tolerance in Pakistan
[Dawn] Imagine first the bustling streets of Anarkali in Lahore or Qissa Khawani Bazaar in Beautiful Downtown Peshawar. Now imagine a Hindu or a Jewish person praying on the roadside. If religious tolerance prevailed in Pakistain, this would be a non-issue as people would simply walk by the praying person.

While I can only speculate how Paks would behave around a non-Mohammedan praying along the street,
There are apparently still some Jewish Pakistanis. However, the ones that remain either pretend to be Muslim or Parsi, or are very, very private about it.
I need not wonder how Americans would react to a Mohammedan praying along the street side.

Just outside the store window in uptown Manhattan (New York), I see a Mohammedan hawker performing his Afternoon (Asr) prayer on the street side at the intersection of 7th-avenue and West 35th street. He sells DVDs and children's books in the heart of Manhattan. As he prays, women in shorts and men wearing T-shirts walk by his kiosk. No spectacle is created, or worse no insults or taunts are hurled.

This display of tolerance is a rather strange concept for Mohammedans to comprehend. How could the US while being involved in armed conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistain, and being instrumental in covert operations in several other Mohammedan majority countries be so tolerant of Mohammedans, allowing them to have mosques and the ability to pray wherever they want.

Just a block away on 7th Avenue, members of a religious cult, comprising mostly of African Americans, were busy ridiculing the most revered figure in Christianity. They had caricatured Jesus' image as a demon on a poster lying on the ground. While wearing strange-looking garbs they were trying to provoke others in a shouting march about faith.

Almost all Americans and tourists chose not to entertain the blasphemous stupidity of these very misguided youth. There were no shouting matches or attacks on these men who have been performing their provocative act for years near the busiest intersections in New York.

On this trip to New York, I am staying at Condor Hotel, located in the most Jewish part of Brooklyn, which is a borough of New York. The hotel is owned by orthodox Jews and hence it adheres to the strict Jewish religious code of serving only Kosher meals.

Each room in the hotel is equipped with extra amenities to comply with the special needs of the hotel's Jewish guests. For instance, there is a wig stand in each room for women to hang their wigs while they sleep. The orthodox Jewish women are forbidden from revealing their hair to strangers. Hence they wear wigs to hide their own hair; a practice similar to some Mohammedan women who wear hijaab to cover their hair.

The streets around the hotel are filled with orthodox Jewish men wearing their traditional black and white clothes and Jewish women pushing kids in strollers. On the Jewish Sabbath however, i.e. Friday afternoons, the entire neighbourhood is deserted as the Jewish households confine to their homes during the Sabbath that lasts until Saturday evening. Thus all shops are closed; all business is suspended in the Jewish part of Brooklyn.

But that is not the case everywhere in New York. A short train ride away is Manhattan, where streets were bustling with people on Friday night. Way past midnight I walked into a shoe store near the Time Square. Businesses were open, restaurants were serving food, and electronic billboards were flashing larger than life images of models showcasing apparel, while thousands were celebrating in the streets, theatres and restaurants.

Earlier in the afternoon on Friday I visited New York University's Stern School of Business, which is located in downtown Manhattan. I walked by a Church located right next to NYU's campus. The Church's notice board commemorated American casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan. The notice board listed the 4,466 American soldiers who died in Iraq and another 1,643 who died in Afghanistan. Also listed on the Church's notice board were the 110,811 Iraqi civilians who had died since the US invasion of Iraq.

In no ambiguous terms the Church was highlighting the extent of misery and grief that beset the Iraqis. The notice board could have only listed the number of Americans dead and maimed in Iraq. Instead, the Church ensured that those who looked at these statistics also took note of the human toll exacted on the Iraqis resulting from the US invasion.

Could it be that Americans, or at least New Yorkers, don't care about religion and hence, they choose to ignore the blaspheming black youth, very religiously observant Jews, or Mohammedan men praying on the street side. Of course, not everyone is that tolerant in the US, or in New York, for that matter. A few months earlier, some in New York opposed the construction of a new mosque near the former World Trade Center site. However,
facts are stubborn; statistics are more pliable...
the local administration, headed by the Jewish mayor, Michael Nanny Bloomberg, strongly resisted the opposition to the mosque.

Perhaps most Americans understand the virtues of religious tolerance, which is evident when minorities are encouraged to practice their religious beliefs. The same tolerance helps maintain order in the society even when some try to act as irritants; remember the black youth trying to offend and incite Christians in Manhattan? Tolerance is also evident from the presence of thousands of mosques, temples, gurdawaras, and synagogues that punctuate the landscape in urban America.

Exactly 64 years since its independence, Pakistain on the other hand continues to struggle with shaping its identity. It is up to Paks to decide how much or how little religious tolerance may prevail in the society.

Will Pakistain continue to be a country where Sikhs are prevented from praying, Ahmadis and Shias are slaughtered in and en-route to places of worship, where shrines of patron saints are destroyed by jacket wallahs, or where foreign aid workers are kidnapped for ransom. Or will it be a country where religious pluralism, as was envisioned by Jinnah, Pakistain's founding father, would flourish?
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  I strongly defend the use of the term "Mohammadan." The word "Islam" follows Mohammadan immigration and formation of pressure groups. In the 19th century, it was used to describe the fact that "submission" - to the cause of "allah" - was central to the life of an emulator of the cult's false-prophet.

Use of "islam" means: acceptance of cult dogma that Mohammadanism preceded the life of the demon possessed pedophile who founded their perversity. In fact, Abraham is taken as the founder of the cult, and Jewish and Christian scriptures are believed to be "satanic distortions." References to the "people of the book,' (ahl-kitab) means: Jews and Christians are really "muslims." That is why they refer to conversions as "reversions."

The "satanic verse" episode - where the pedophile sang "quran" sura only to repudiate same, after losing followers - illustrates the concoction that "satan" can possess "prophets."

Try to give a New Testament to a slave-of-allah (Mohammad's fabrication). They will accept it only to cover up "people of the book" fictions.

Why does Obama get Mohammadan support? He serves their ends, as far as he can within Congress' Statutory imposed constraints. Born from the seed of a no account Mohammadan child abandoner, BHO is - in all 4 major schools of the cult - inherently Mohammadan. Obviously, they like his work. If he didn't, cultists bear an absolute obligation to exterminate "abandoners." They love him. And he bows, as leader of his country, to their tyrants.
Posted by: Caesar Shatle4190 || 08/16/2011 1:52 Comments || Top||

#2  This display of tolerance is a rather strange concept for Mohammedans to comprehend. Islamists would not recognize that behavior as tolerant or strange, but merely an appropriate response from infidels and/or condemned apostates awaiting their just fates at a time to be decreed by Allah.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/16/2011 14:03 Comments || Top||

#3  "I need not wonder how Americans would react to a Mohammedan praying along the street side"

He/she would shoot first, ask questions later...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/16/2011 14:23 Comments || Top||

#4  He/she would shoot first, ask questions later...

Which is why so many dead Mohammedans are reported found at the side of the road throughout America. Where are you getting your data?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2011 14:51 Comments || Top||

#5  "This display of tolerance is a rather strange conceptfor Mohammedans to comprehend"

Gotta say it again...'pot' meet 'kettle'...

Bushites...the gift that keeps on giving...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/16/2011 14:56 Comments || Top||

#6  B***sh*** the gift that keeps on giving...
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/16/2011 15:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Or will it be a country where religious pluralism, as was envisioned by Jinnah, Pakistain's founding father, would flourish?

Nonsense. The land of the pure was never intended for other faiths.
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2011 18:13 Comments || Top||

#8  "Where are you getting your data?"

From an oriface in the nether regions, tw.
Posted by: Barbara || 08/16/2011 18:27 Comments || Top||

#9  FYI DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [PPP + "Q" League call for] NEW PROVINCES WILL BREAK PAKISTAN.

ARTIC = Various proposed new provinces include a new ...
> SERAIKI Province in Punjab.
> BAHAWALPUR Province in Punjab.
> AN UN-NAMED CHRISTIAN PROVINCE in SW Punjab.
International?
> HAZARA Province in Khyber-Paktunhwa.
> KARACHI, HYDERABAD Provinces = separate.

* IIRC SIASAT DAILY [old]> OPED Author believed that PAKISTAN WILL NOT HAVE TRUE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM + DEMOCRACY UNTIL THE DAY A NON-MUSLIM CAN FREELY PROSELYTYZE IN THE STREETS OF ISLAMABAD + OTHER PAK CITIES-TOWNS, + CAN CRITICIZE OR DENOUNCE [obscenely?] ISLAM + MOHAMMED WIDOUT GETTING ARRESTED, IMPRISONED, ABUSED OR EXECUTED, ETC.???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2011 23:11 Comments || Top||



Who's in the News
35[untagged]
4Govt of Syria
3TTP
3Govt of Pakistan
1Govt of Sudan
1Govt of Iran
1Hezbollah
1al-Qaeda in North Africa

Bookmark
E-Mail Me

The Classics
The O Club
Rantburg Store
The Bloids
The Never-ending Story
Thugburg
Gulf War I
The Way We Were
Bio

Merry-Go-Blog











On Sale now!


A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.

Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.

Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has dominated Mexico for six years.
Click here for more information

Meet the Mods
In no particular order...
Steve White
Seafarious
tu3031
badanov
sherry
ryuge
GolfBravoUSMC
Bright Pebbles
trailing wife
Gloria
Fred
Besoeker
Glenmore
Frank G
3dc
Skidmark

Two weeks of WOT
Tue 2011-08-16
  Libyan rebels push to isolate Tripoli
Mon 2011-08-15
  Medvedev signs order backing Libyan rebels
Sun 2011-08-14
  Tripoli Denies Rebel Capture of Western Port Town
Sat 2011-08-13
  'Cholera epidemic spreading in Somalia'
Fri 2011-08-12
  Two Hariri Murder Suspects Linked to Murr, Hamadeh, Chidiac, Hawi Cases
Thu 2011-08-11
  US drone strike kills 21 in north Wazoo
Wed 2011-08-10
  Yemeni president 'to return home'
Tue 2011-08-09
  London set for third night of riots
Mon 2011-08-08
  215 Arrested in London Riots
Sun 2011-08-07
  Yemen president leaves hospital but to stay in Saudi
Sat 2011-08-06
  38 dead as NATO helicopter crashes in Afghanistan
Fri 2011-08-05
  Turkey Seizes Iranian Arms Smuggled to Syria, Hizbullah
Thu 2011-08-04
  Libya Shoots Missile At Italian Warship. Misses.
Wed 2011-08-03
  US Drones Kill 15 in Yemen's Abyan Province
Tue 2011-08-02
  Israeli, Lebanese Troops Exchange Fire in Wazzani Area


Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
3.142.98.108
Help keep the Burg running! Paypal:
WoT Operations (13)    WoT Background (20)    Non-WoT (10)    (0)    Politix (3)