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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Dutch man injures posterior in mooning accident
UTRECHT, Netherlands - Utrecht police say a 21-year-old Dutch man is recovering after a "mooning" that went horribly wrong.

A police statement says the man and two others had run down a street in Utrecht with their pants pulled down in the back "for a joke." It says that at one point the 21-year-old "pushed his behind against the window of a restaurant" that broke and resulted in "deep wounds to his derriere."
Say it with me now: "Jeez! What a dumbass!"
Posted by: Mike || 06/04/2008 15:44 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If this was California he'd collect a bundle from the restaurant for not having signs warning that pressing buttocks against the glass was unsafe.
Posted by: DoDo || 06/04/2008 17:15 Comments || Top||

#2  "Warning: Pressed Ham Can Be Hazardous to Your Health!"

Should be required on all SF Restaurant windows.
Posted by: Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 || 06/04/2008 18:12 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Shatner Not Invited To Takei's Wedding
George "Sulu" Takei has revealed his plans to wed his longtime companion -- but his former "Star Trek" co-star, William Shatner, will not be a part of it.

Takei told AP Radio that when he weds Brad Altman on Sept. 14, Walter Koenig, who played Chekhov in "Star Trek," will be the best man
"Ensign Chekhov, report to the agony booth."
and Nichelle Nichols, who played Uhura, will be the matron of honor.
"Gay-ling frequencies open, sir!"
Leonard "Spock" Nimoy is also invited,
"Illogical."
but Shatner, who played Captain Kirk, is not.
"Sulu! Sulu, damnit, beam me up!"
"You're not invited, Captain."

WARNING: The following paragraph contains too much information. Those of you who are easily offended, or have weak constitutions, should not scroll down any further.

Takei said that he was working out at a running club more than two decades ago when he spotted the man he now plans to marry. In his first joint radio interview with his husband-to-be, Takei told AP Radio that Altman was the best looking guy in the club with a "lean, tightly muscled" body. Takei says he had his gay phasers locked on target "eyes on him."
"I generally prescribe rinsing the brain with a gallon of bleach to get rid of mental images like that."
"Aye, Doctor McCoy. The cleanin' solvents we use on the warp engines'll scrub that right out."
"Scotty, I'm just glad I didn't live to see it."
"Aye. Me too."
Posted by: Mike || 06/04/2008 15:47 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Too much time near the dilithium crystals.
Posted by: Perfesser || 06/04/2008 16:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Shatner allegedly spent a lot of time being a dick. Allegedly before signing on to the first ST movie, he insisted that if Nimoy was given anything, he had to be given it as well. And he meant anything.

When Nimoy went on to direct ST IV, which was a big hit, this meant that Shatner had to be allowed to direct ST V, aka "Captain Kirk Meets God".

Apparently a clause in the contract meant that the studio didn't have to buy Shatner an audience, as well.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/04/2008 16:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Fans report that Shatner is super nice in private. Who knows? Shatner and Takei are both real cut up on the Howard Stern Show.
Posted by: Ebbelet and Tenille8976 || 06/04/2008 16:52 Comments || Top||

#4  I saw an interview with Shatner on TV a bit ago. He realized some time ago that he was a dick and has been working to rectify it. You'd think Takei would be happy about that, but I guess not.
Posted by: gorb || 06/04/2008 16:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Anonymouse, the way I understand it Nimoy and Shatner came up with the Most Favored Nation clause together as part of their peace treaty after hating each other throughout the 70s and getting to know each other on the convention circuit.

I think it's likely Shatner was a jerk, but in his defense he was a leading man before Star Trek while the others were character actors who wanted to be treated as leads.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 06/04/2008 16:55 Comments || Top||

#6  So this means no good deals on airfare and hotels for the honeymoon?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/04/2008 18:35 Comments || Top||

#7  Funny, but shatner spilled the beans on that secret so he's no longer needed.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 06/04/2008 23:38 Comments || Top||


Woman with 36MMM Boobs day job - Recycle Technician
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/04/2008 14:50 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  36MMM-Austrailian for 'Flat'
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 06/04/2008 15:00 Comments || Top||

#2  The Sun has a better image in an article that says that the type of medical procedure she (her name according to the Sun is Maxi Mounds) used is being banned.
Posted by: mhw || 06/04/2008 16:46 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm in love is she can help empty those Fosters too!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 06/04/2008 21:51 Comments || Top||


World's biggest boob ban - 36MMM
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/04/2008 13:46 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, it is for the breast.
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/04/2008 13:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Is it just me, or that just totally gross?? I'd rather see a nice set of 32 "A"s any day!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 06/04/2008 14:08 Comments || Top||

#3  1)Should have saved some $$ back for a little work on the face; it may not be "make a freight train take a dirt road ugly" but is sure ain't up there in my book.
2) If the airlines get their weigh ( pun intended) wonder how much extra those things will cost to bring on board?????
And do they qualify as 'carry ons?'
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 06/04/2008 14:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Should have saved some $$ back for a little work on the face

She has a face?
Posted by: gorb || 06/04/2008 14:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Easily 20 lb. I'd guess, USN, Ret. The stupid cow paid to have them done, and now she's only suitable for a one-ring circus side-show.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/04/2008 14:21 Comments || Top||

#6  Good thing those hideously inflated breasts will keep people from looking at her face, I guess... Usually, i have nothing against boobjobs when done on suitably sluttish Pr0n starlets, but I'd rank that along with that...

See also Awful Plastic Surgery... ugh...
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 06/04/2008 14:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Ewwww... Gross....

I see serious back problems in her future.

Any bets on her claiming disability?

Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/04/2008 14:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Class. Pure class.

Oh, and don't let Bill Clinton see them.
Posted by: Hellfish || 06/04/2008 15:30 Comments || Top||

#9  the way we measure the chest it would be about a 60", not a 36"
Posted by: mhw || 06/04/2008 16:57 Comments || Top||

#10  Would a blonde joke be appropriate?
Posted by: Gladys || 06/04/2008 17:01 Comments || Top||

#11  Holy crap! Are you sure they're not just balloons?

I'd advise her not to get near any pins....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/04/2008 21:10 Comments || Top||

#12  36" chest with triple M cups.

Probably before the boob job she was a "butter face". Most of her looked ok, but her face.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/04/2008 21:16 Comments || Top||


Today in History: Midway, 1942
. . . Beginning at 10:22, Enterprise’s aircraft attacked Kaga, while to the south, Yorktown’s aircraft attacked carrier Sōryū, with Akagi being struck by several of Enterprise's bombers four minutes later. Simultaneously, VT-3 was targeting Hiryū, although the American torpedo aircraft again scored no hits. The dive-bombers, however, had better fortune. Within six minutes, the SBD dive bombers made their attack runs and left all three of their targets heavily ablaze. Akagi was hit by just one bomb, which was sufficient; it penetrated to the upper hangar deck and exploded among the armed and fueled aircraft there. One extremely near miss also slanted in and exploded underwater, bending the flight deck upward with the resulting geyser and causing crucial rudder damage. Sōryū took three bomb hits in the hangar decks; Kaga took at least four, possibly more. All three carriers were out of action and would eventually be abandoned and scuttled. . . .
Posted by: Mike || 06/04/2008 06:25 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  www.ussswashington.com has the best account of the battle (and of the parts of WWII it tells about) I have ever read. Never before I have been so aware of what was at stake and of the despaitr induced by Allies string of defeats. Pity that it stops with Torch.

BTW, the reason the Japanese were unable to launch a strike earlier is because the design of their carriers forced them to refuel/rearm the planes on the deck. And the decks (1) were alearedy taken by the continuous flow of Zeros needing to be rearmed after having spent the ammo of their 20mm cannon: their 30cl machine guns were nearly useless against american planes and the Zero carried a very small amount of 20mm cannon. Thus the seemingly useless but continuous attacks coming from Midway and the carrier impeded Nagumo of launching an attack sooner.


(1) Before the invention of the diagonal deck a carrier could launch or take planes but not both. And in Japanese carriers it was still worse: you couldn't even prepare for launching a strike when planes were landing.
Posted by: JFM || 06/04/2008 8:45 Comments || Top||

#2  ..Torpedo Squadron 8 from USS Hornet - 45 men and 15 aircraft went in, one man survived. Torpedo 5 from Yorktown and Torpedo 6 from Enterprise took losses very nearly as severe.
The thing to keep in mind is that these men KNEW they had almost no chance of survival, but launched anyways.

Where do we find such men?....

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/04/2008 8:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Where do we find such men?....

Right now, you find them in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/04/2008 9:41 Comments || Top||

#4  OS is right. The all volunteer force we have is filled with them.
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/04/2008 9:51 Comments || Top||

#5  OS is right. The all volunteer force we have is filled with them.

And I'd be willing to be damned few of them plan to vote for Obama.
Posted by: Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 || 06/04/2008 10:20 Comments || Top||

#6  A short wiki-walk took me to
Miles Browning
Interesting read. I can understand why he was written out of the movies. If they did a movie about Midway now, he would be one of the main characters. Chevy Chase could play him.
Posted by: Penguin || 06/04/2008 11:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks for the link to Browning, Penguin. Very, very impressive. And, little mentioned. Amazing how just a couple of folks like him and Patton actually provided most of the strategy to save the entire military during WW II. Midway was the linchpin in Pacific and George's rampages behind German lines in France saved Ike for certain.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 06/04/2008 11:41 Comments || Top||

#8  JFM: suggest you pick up a copy of Shattered Sword, which is the best Midway book I've ever read.
Posted by: Mike || 06/04/2008 12:55 Comments || Top||

#9  Thank you Mike. A hidden strength of American carriers through the war seems to have been better damage control (be it equipment or crew training). When reading about Coral Sea and the battles around Guadalcanal I noticed that American carriers ever looked like they required much more hits than equal sized japanse carriers in order to be sunk/put out of action. (In Usswashington.com I learned that at Midway pipes containing gasoline were emptied and filled with CO2).

Also in the requirements for the Japanese carriers after Midway there was an emphasis inthe use of uninflamble paint. I deduce that the japanese believed that paint catching fire had been a factor in the loss of their carriers.

Sometimes it os those little details who make a seemingly formidable force being dedeated by one who looked inferior.
Posted by: JFM || 06/04/2008 17:36 Comments || Top||

#10  See also BATTLE 360: USS ENTERPRISE on History Channel {MIDWAY segment]; + books THAT GALLANT SHIP - USS YORKTOWN, + MIDWAY: BATTLE OF DECISION.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/04/2008 19:26 Comments || Top||

#11  JFM US CVs purged fuel lines with inert non-flammable gas after refueling, it was a novel concept at the time. Also, US ships had the ever useful mattress for damage control, hamocks not work so good.

Posted by: George Smiley || 06/04/2008 20:16 Comments || Top||

#12  Nevermind, JFM, so it was CO2.
Posted by: George Smiley || 06/04/2008 20:26 Comments || Top||

#13  IIRC, MORRISON > it was after SAVO ISLAND that the USN mandated improvements to shipboard firefighting + damage control.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/04/2008 21:55 Comments || Top||


Today in History: Tiananmen Square
The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 were a series of demonstrations led by students, intellectuals, and labour activists in the People's Republic of China (PRC) between April 15, 1989 and June 4, 1989. While the protests lacked a unified cause or leadership, participants were generally critical of the ruling Chinese Communist Party and voiced complaints ranging from minor criticisms to calls for full-fledged democracy and the establishment of broader freedoms.

In Beijing, the resulting military crackdown on the protesters by the PRC government left many civilians dead or injured. The toll ranges from 200–300 (PRC government figures), to 400–800 by The New York Times, and to 2,000–3,000 (Chinese student associations and Chinese Red Thingy Cross), although the PRC government asserts and most independent observers agree that the majority of these deaths were not in the square itself but rather in the streets leading to the square.

Following the violence, the government conducted widespread arrests to suppress protestors and their supporters, cracked down on other protests around China, banned the foreign press from the country and strictly controlled coverage of the events in the PRC press. Members of the Party who had publicly sympathized with the protesters were purged, with several high-ranking members placed under house arrest, such as General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. The violent suppression of the Tiananmen Square protest caused widespread international condemnation of the PRC government.
Full article here.
Posted by: Mike || 06/04/2008 06:21 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  THE SIMPSONS [paraph] > ON THIS DAY IN 1989, NOTHING HAPPENED.

D *** NG IT, 19 YARNS LATER AND HE'S STILL STANDING IN FRONT OF MY TANK [PLA Tank Commander = Crew]!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/04/2008 21:21 Comments || Top||


Secret Ways to Boost Your Social Security
Four legal strategies for adding as much as $12,000 a year to your retirement income.

Some retirement decisions are irreversible. But many retirees will be happy to learn that choosing when to start collecting Social Security benefits is not one of them.

When John Rothenhoefer, 70, found out that he could increase his Social Security benefits by about $1,000 a month by taking advantage of a do-over strategy, he thought he'd struck gold. As it turns out, he might as well have won a mega lottery. Out of the 32 million retirees who collect Social Security benefits, Rothenhoefer was one of just 71 people this fiscal year to take advantage of an obscure option that lets you halt your current benefits, pay back all you have collected interest-free, and restart your benefits at a new, higher rate based on your current age.

Rest at link.
Posted by: gorb || 06/04/2008 05:24 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Then again, how many people seriously think that SS will survive the baby boom bubble?

The bottom line is that SS was only viable in its original incarnation: as a retirement system for minimum wage employees who had no other retirement.

Had it been left as such, it would be very solvent, but it was expanded into an entitlement program for vast numbers of people who should never have been involved paying into it or receiving benefits.

Right now, the only way the scam will continue to be the boondoggle it has become is if the vast majority of baby boomers die young.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/04/2008 7:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Or significantly delay when they start receiving benefits -- whether because they can't afford to retire, or because they like the extra income and stimulation working provides. I've been reading stories lately that many baby boomers fall into one or the other category.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/04/2008 8:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Need to means test it.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/04/2008 9:12 Comments || Top||

#4  It was only viable when the "retirement age" was equal to the average life expectancy and people either died before collecting any money or shortly after.
Posted by: crosspatch || 06/04/2008 12:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Means testing punishes savers.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 06/04/2008 12:38 Comments || Top||

#6  True, Bright Pebbles, but savers can afford to go without... and Social Security payments remain fairly meagre. Those who have only that are not going to sign up for Caribbean cruises.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/04/2008 13:07 Comments || Top||

#7  Means testing is what they will eventually come around to. People in the financial planning community have been hearing scuttlebutt about it for years now. They'll set the limit and if your estate is worth more than say, $1,000,000 , at time or retirement, then you lose.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 06/04/2008 18:28 Comments || Top||

#8  So they've been stealing money from me all this time that they know I won't get.

AND they never let me have even a portion of what they stole to invest for myself.

Yeah, that "social" insecurity.

Bastards.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/04/2008 21:13 Comments || Top||

#9  .....lets you halt your current benefits, pay back all you have collected interest-free, and restart your benefits at a new, higher rate based on your current age.

"Pay-back and Restart." Sounds pretty good unless.... you die the next month. Mildred might not appreciate waving goodbye to that nestegg.
Posted by: Besoeker || 06/04/2008 21:47 Comments || Top||


Europe
Outcry after French court rules on virginity
AP - The bride said she was a virgin. When her new husband discovered that was a lie, he went to court to annul the marriage — and a French judge agreed.

The ruling ending the Muslim couple's union has stunned France and raised concerns the country's much-cherished secular values are losing ground to religious traditions from its fast-growing immigrant communities.
Losing? Or lost?
The decision also exposed the silent shame borne by some Muslim women who transgress long-held religious dictates demanding proof of virginity on the wedding night.
Which involves blood and a handkerchief shown to the groom's family, If I remember right.
In its ruling, the court concluded the woman had misrepresented herself as a virgin and that, in this particular marriage, virginity was a prerequisite.

But in treating the case as a breach of contract, the ruling was decried by critics who said it undermined decades of progress in women's rights. Marriage, they said, was reduced to the status of a commercial transaction in which women could be discarded by husbands claiming to have discovered hidden defects in them.
I dunno, sounds kinda interesting . . . . >:-}
The court decision "is a real fatwa against the emancipation and liberty of women. We are returning to the past," said Urban Affairs Minister Fadela Amara, the daughter of immigrants from Muslim North Africa, using the Arabic term for a religious decree.

The outcry has been unrelenting since word of the April 1 decision in the closed-door trial in Lille was made public last week by the daily newspaper Liberation. In its judgment, the tribunal said the 2006 marriage had been ended based on "an error in the essential qualities" of the bride, "who had presented herself as single and chaste."

Justice Minister Rachida Dati, whose parents also were born in North Africa, initially shrugged off the ruling — but the public clamor reached such a pitch that she asked the prosecutor's office this week to lodge an appeal.

What began as a private matter "concerns all the citizens of our country and notably women," a statement from her ministry said.

The appeal was filed Tuesday and three judges could hear the case sometime this month, said Eric Vaillant of the appeals court in Douai, near Lille.

The hitch is that both the young woman and the man at the center of the drama are opposed to an appeal, according to their lawyers. The names of the woman, a student in her 20s, and the man, an engineer in his 30s, have not been disclosed.

The young woman's lawyer, Charles-Edouard Mauger, said she was distraught by the dragging out of the humiliating case. In an interview on Europe 1 radio, he quoted her as saying: "I don't know who's trying to think in my place. I didn't ask for anything. ... I wasn't the one who asked for the media attention, for people to talk about it, and for this to last so long."

The issue is particularly distressing for France because the government has fought to maintain strong secular traditions as demographics change. An estimated 5 million Muslims live in the country of 64 million, the largest Muslim population in Western Europe.
Want to maintain strong secular traditions? Limit immigration. Expel any youts who riot along with their families. Expel those who refuse to integrate or wear their turban a bit too tight.
France passed a law in 2004 banning Muslim headscarves and other ostentatious religious signs from classrooms, a move that caused an uproar in the Muslim world.
Wahh. Move to Pakistan if it's so bad.
Now, critics contend another law on the books is being used to effectively condone the custom requiring a woman to enter marriage as a virgin, and prove it with bloodstained sheets on her wedding night.

Article 180 of the Civil Code states that when a couple enters into a marriage, if the "essential qualities" of a spouse are misrepresented, then "the other spouse can seek the nullity of the marriage." Past examples of marriages that were annulled include a husband found to be impotent and a wife who was a prostitute, according to attorney Xavier Labbee.

Ironically, Article 180 also guards against forced marriages.

Labbee, the lawyer for the bridegroom in question, says it was not the young woman's virginity that was at issue.

"The question is not one of virginity. The question is one of lying," he told The Associated Press.

"In the ruling, there is no word 'Muslim,' there is no word 'religion,' there is no word 'custom.' And if one speaks of virginity it is with the term 'a lie."

Labbee said both the man and the woman "understand that annulling the marriage is preferable to divorce because it wipes the slate clean (of) what you want to forget, but divorce wipes away nothing."

Indeed, the court ruling states that the woman "acquiesced" to the demand for an annulment "based on a lie concerning her virginity."

"One can deduce that this quality (virginity) was seen by her as an essential quality that was decisive" in the man's decision to marry, the ruling said.
That's soooo eighth century.
Prime Minister Francois Fillon said an appeal must be lodged "so this ruling does not set a judicial precedent."

In a rare show of agreement, politicians on the left and right said the court's action does not reflect French values.

"In a democratic and secular country, we cannot consider virginity as an essential quality of marriage," said an expert on French secularism, Jacqueline Costa-Lascoux.
And if it's so essential then those that don't like it can move to Saudi Arabia.
The decision underscored the painful predicament faced today by many Muslim women in France and elsewhere in the West who become sexually emancipated but remain bound by strict codes of honor inherited and enforced by their families — and prospective husbands.

It is not unusual for young Muslim women to procure fake virginity certificates, use tricks like vials of spilled blood on the wedding night or even undergo hymen repair to satisfy family expectations, and evade the shame that would follow if their secret got out.

An informal survey by The Associated Press in 2006 found numerous private clinics in the Paris region where such surgery is performed, as well as doctors who supply fake virginity certificates before a marriage.

"Today, the judicial system of a modern country cannot hold to these savage traditions, completely inhuman for the young woman," said the rector of the Paris Mosque, Dalil Boubakeur.

He likened the court decision to "equating marriage with a commercial transaction."

Like some others, Boubakeur, a moderate, voiced fears that Muslim fundamentalists would seek to profit from the Lille ruling "as they have done with the veil. ... Fundamentalists use (head scarves) like their flag."

"We ask Muslims to live in their era," he said.
Posted by: gorb || 06/04/2008 16:06 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I stopped reading at "Muslim Couple".
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 06/04/2008 16:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Civilization has worsened with the thought that French girls must be virgins. In other words, what male goes to France looking for virgins? I prefer the man on his knees in the Notre Dame Cathedral, smiling, and saying, "This is terrible. I've sinned again."

What is the matter with that guy and that Judge?
Posted by: Whatadeal || 06/04/2008 16:43 Comments || Top||

#3  For the husband, it's a win-win. He gets to have sex with his new bride and then dump her immediately. And they complain about Western values . . .
Posted by: Tibor || 06/04/2008 17:01 Comments || Top||

#4  snicker - this has to put the liberal's knickers in knots. But sadly, they stand for nothing and I'm sure they will find a way to justify this as they do all other assaults on their "beliefs".

First and foremost -they are cowards who use words and wit to avoid having to stand and fight for anything.
Posted by: Sninert Black9312 || 06/04/2008 17:47 Comments || Top||

#5  An informal survey by The Associated Press in 2006 found numerous private clinics in the Paris region where such surgery is performed, as well as doctors who supply fake virginity certificates before a marriage.

so the whole thing has eroded to nothing more than a sham, all done to avoid shame (and possibly worse). Nothing to do with religion. Nothing to do with morality. But then again, either does much of islam.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 06/04/2008 18:32 Comments || Top||

#6  The bride said she was a virgin. When her new husband discovered that was a lie, he went to court to annul the marriage

Let's rephrase that in a more Western version -

The groom said he was a millionaire. When his new wife discovered that was lie, she went to court to annul the marriage.

Do we expect a different outcome? and why?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/04/2008 18:33 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Layoffs at nuke lab stir fears of a brain drain
Maybe this should go under "Idiot of the Day", but it's Congress, which is composed of idiots rather than being an idiot in and of itself.
The nation's top nuclear weapons design lab has laid off hundreds of workers, raising concerns about a brain drain and stirring fears that some of these highly specialized scientists will sell their expertise to foreign governments, perhaps hostile ones.

Because of budget cuts and higher costs, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory laid off 440 employees May 22 and 23. Over the past 2 1/2 years, attrition and layoffs have reduced the work force of 8,000 by about 1,800 altogether. According to a list obtained by The Associated Press, about 60 of the recently laid-off workers were engineers, around 30 were physicists and about 15 were chemists. Some, but not all, were involved in nuclear weapons work or nonproliferation efforts, and all had put in at least 20 years at the lab.

Some lawmakers and others said they fear the loss of important institutional knowledge about designing warheads and detecting whether other countries are going nuclear.

Also, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the layoffs at Lawrence Livermore and two other big U.S. weapons labs represent "a national security danger point." These unemployed experts might take their skills overseas, Feinstein said. "The fact is, these are all people who are human — they have homes, they have families, they have educations to pay for," she said. "And I very much worry where they go for their next job."

The possibility is also on the mind of the nation's top nuclear weapons official, National Nuclear Security Administration chief Tom D'Agostino. "Always in a situation where people leave under less-than-ideal circumstances, we worry about that, and it's something I assure you we're looking at closely," D'Agostino said. "I'm always concerned about the counterintelligence part of our mission, and we have an active program to go make sure we understand where we're vulnerable and where we're not."

Asked to elaborate, NNSA spokesman Bryan Wilkes said the agency is "always on guard for foreign entities approaching our employees, active or retired, but it's their responsibility to alert us to those circumstances."

The NNSA is aware of no instance in which a U.S. nuclear weapons scientist had gone to work overseas, he said. He said the agency regards the possibility of a hostile government picking up laid-off workers as "highly unlikely," in part because these are American citizens who have responsibly held high-level clearances for many years, and because federal law provide stiff penalties — which range as high as life in prison — for divulging nuclear secrets.

In an e-mail message, Wilkes said the very notion that these scientists would sell their country out is "an insult to their personal integrity and their patriotism."

Ken Sale, a physicist laid off from Lawrence Livermore on May 23, said that taking his knowledge of nuclear weapons overseas would be unthinkable, and that he knows of no laid-off colleague who would even consider it. But "the recent history of spying has all been money-based," Sale said. "Being concerned about expertise you wouldn't want rattling around in the whole world, and workers being desperate for a job, is a reasonable concern."

Sale worked on nuclear weapons testing, nonproliferation and nuclear-detection projects."The specific experience you get doing that stuff doesn't have applications outside that narrow world," he said. "It's not obvious that I will be able to be fully employed."

Sale, 51, will receive one week's pay for each of his 23 years at the lab, which is in Livermore, about 50 miles from San Francisco.

For security reasons, laid-off workers like Sale immediately lost their access badges, their top-secret "Q" clearances were suspended, and they were promptly escorted off the grounds. Some, including Sale, may stay on for a few months doing unclassified work via telecommuting.

Lawmakers and others have expressed concern that wave after wave of work force reductions will diminish the lab's expertise. D'Agostino said he could not guarantee that national security would not be harmed.

With a self-imposed nuclear test ban in place since 1992, maintenance of the warhead stockpile — Lawrence Livermore's top responsibility — is performed on supercomputers. So is the task of designing a new generation of warhead, which Lawrence Livermore won the right to do last year. The layoffs have reduced the lab's roster of experts with invaluable experience they had gleaned from taking part in actual nuclear tests, Sale and others said. "Designing, building and seeing a device go off is very different from designing a device and handing it to a computer jockey," Sale said.

Democratic Rep. Jerry McNerney, whose district includes part of the lab, said the stakes are especially high as the United States tries to divine through science what other countries are doing inside their weapons programs. "We need to be able to understand what the clues are about other countries such as Iran and North Korea and other countries that are potential nuclear weapons developers," he said. "Without those scientists that have been involved in that field for years, for decades, it's going to be a lot more difficult to know what's going on elsewhere in the world."

Los Alamos, the New Mexico laboratory that built the atom bomb during World War II, cut its work force last year by about 550 through retirements and attrition, and Sandia, also largely in New Mexico, plans to shed dozens of workers.

Congress cut $100 million from Lawrence Livermore's budget in the fiscal 2008 budget, and the lab has been hit with an additional $180 million in unexpected costs from its transfer last year to a new management company, lab spokeswoman Susan Houghton said.
Posted by: gorb || 06/04/2008 03:40 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Congress is moaning but Congress cut their budget. You can't have it both ways.

California's Senators and many of it's Congressmen are worthless to Californians and California's economy.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 06/04/2008 3:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Sheer insanity!
Posted by: Spike Uniter || 06/04/2008 4:39 Comments || Top||

#3  This is crap. How many natural American citizens do you personally know who would sell their expertise to Iran or other hostile countries?

Besides, how many of those layoffs are administrators and supporting staff? If we actually had a government that represented our interests, I doubt it would be all that hard for them to keep tabs on the scientists who might become traitors.

This just sounds like another scare piece that allows politicians to stick their hands in our pockets- once again.
Posted by: Sninert Black9312 || 06/04/2008 5:08 Comments || Top||

#4  how many of those layoffs are administrators and supporting staff?

You don't have much experience with large organizations, do you Sninert Black9312?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/04/2008 6:30 Comments || Top||

#5  The Labs (Livermore, Los Alamos, Sandia, Oak Ridge, and Argonne) were created to support DoD. Since paying far less than competitive salaries in Civil Service pay, the labs were some of the original 'outsourcing' nearly all to universities to operate and staff at market pay scales. That was when we had an Army, just a part of DoD, of over a million. We've watched the Army cut to under a million to just under 800,000 by the early 90s and finally to under 500,000 by 2000. Meantime these labs have been largely immune from similar cuts as their very reason to exist has diminished. There's been a lot of creative attempts to keep them going. Basically its welfare for the gifted. The entire program is now amok in political sustainment detached from mission. Functions and mission need to be consolidated and scaled appropriately. One if not two probably needs to be phased out completely. I'd nominate the Los Alamos site just based upon the culture that has devolved that has created far too many security lapses. The facility could retain its secondary mission which is storage of materials awaiting the Yucca Mountain completion, but the entire R&D needs adult supervision elsewhere.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/04/2008 9:04 Comments || Top||

#6  stirring fears that some of these highly specialized scientists will sell their expertise to foreign governments, perhaps hostile ones.

fer gawd sakes...

fears in whom? The MSM "world citizens" who have no allegiance to any country?
Posted by: john frum || 06/04/2008 9:08 Comments || Top||

#7  Ah.. Feinstein... figures...
Posted by: john frum || 06/04/2008 9:12 Comments || Top||

#8  stirring fears that some of these highly specialized scientists will sell their expertise to foreign governments, perhaps hostile ones.

Thats the MSM and Dems/Congress projecting their own ethics onto the situation. they'd sell out easily so they believe the scientists would too.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/04/2008 9:44 Comments || Top||

#9  #1: Congress is moaning but Congress cut their budget. You can't have it both ways.

Sure they can, just find someone else to blame, and lie. (Of course)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 06/04/2008 16:16 Comments || Top||

#10  grom - If your comment is sarcasm implying that they left the supporting staff and cut the scientists then I am amused.

Otherwise, I stand by my point - there would be few scientists foolish enough to turn traitor and provide the very ammunition which would assure the destruction of thier grandchildren. If we actually had a representative government, those few would be easy enough to monitor and expose.
Posted by: Sninert Black9312 || 06/04/2008 17:41 Comments || Top||

#11  their
Posted by: Sninert Black9312 || 06/04/2008 17:42 Comments || Top||

#12  ION REDDIT > EUROPE ON NUCLEAR ALERT AFTER SLOVENIA REACTOR LEAK.; + RUSSIA TODAY > FEMALE EXODUS [educated/professn]LEAVES EAST GERMAN MEN ANGRY + ARE SIBERIAN KIDS DYING FROM A CHINESE VIRUS [Abakhan, RFE].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/04/2008 22:45 Comments || Top||


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Couple trying to elope electrocuted
LUCKNOW — A young couple in love was electrocuted yesterday while trying to elope from their village in Uttar Pradesh's Bulandshahar district, the police said.
Poorly-named village ...
The bodies of Alka and Hridesh were found to have come in contact with a powerful electricity wire that had collapsed at the outskirts of the village. Police officer Balvir Singh said the young man appeared to have lost his life while trying to save the girl, who had more severe burn marks on her body. Residents of Khargoi village, the two were having an affair. On Sunday night they planned to escape. On Monday morning, the two were found dead.
Yup, just a coincidence, and a mere coincidence that the young woman was tied to the wire, and the young man had beaten himself to death with a three-iron after failing to save his girl ...
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