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2014-10-29 Science & Technology
NASA rocket explodes on launch
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Posted by Fred 2014-10-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10 views ]  Top

#1 Reminds me of the first live broadcast of a US rocket launch that I ever saw, back in 1957 - which blew up in a very similar manner.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-29 00:09||   2014-10-29 00:09|| Front Page Top

#2 We can't do big things anymore.
Posted by Skidmark 2014-10-29 02:32||   2014-10-29 02:32|| Front Page Top

#3 The Islamic outreach really pays off.
Mod nominee for Snark of the Day
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-10-29 03:53||   2014-10-29 03:53|| Front Page Top

#4 NASA is starting to make the Postal Service look good.
Posted by ed in texas 2014-10-29 07:42||   2014-10-29 07:42|| Front Page Top

#5 NASA gets into trouble when they stray from their core mission of improving Islamic relations.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-10-29 09:45||   2014-10-29 09:45|| Front Page Top

#6 glad nobody died. On youtube there are videos and annoying alleged Muslims are posting haha type comments in arabic. One quoted the koran and said we'd never raise another rocket. every one would explode from now on. you wonder to yourself is it just nasty gloating or do they sabotage us
Posted by anon1 2014-10-29 11:09||   2014-10-29 11:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Yes!!!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-10-29 13:10||   2014-10-29 13:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Yet another company trying to pretend that buying old cold-war era engines from Russia is equivalent to having a real manufacturing program.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-10-29 13:59||   2014-10-29 13:59|| Front Page Top

#9 1) It's NOT a NASA rocket!
2) It's an Orbital (company) rocket carrying a payload to the spacestation for NASA and carrying several other private payloads for $.
3) The engines date from the 1960s. They were Soviet Moon Rocket Engines (N1 - the one that killed most of the Soviet Space Scientists when it blew up on the pad in the 60s.) They were reworked into an AeroJet engine AJ-26. They bought them cheap from the Ukrainians. They were sitting in long term warehouses in the Ukraine since the 60s. (God only knows how crystallized that old metal is.)
4) One of these old engines blew up on the test stands at Stenis earlier this year and it didn't seem to trouble NASA or Orbital ( The test stand explosion )
5) For the Russian speaking here are the specs of the rocket: engine specs
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:08||   2014-10-29 14:08|| Front Page Top

#10 Actually, I don't think this is strictly a NASA vehicle, this one is built by Orbital Sciences and I believe was using 40 year old Russian/Ukrainian engines.

NASA is still building big rockets (the SLS, sometimes referred to as the Senate Launch System), but they are redoing the Apollo model. Not their fault, they do what they're told by the USG.

The real action is with SpaceX and their Falcon rocket, the next launch which is in November I think, will try to land the (rocket powered) first stage back onto a floating platform. If that succeeds we're really cooking with gas...
Posted by Tony 2014-10-29 14:16||   2014-10-29 14:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Here is a vid of the press in full panic:
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:17||   2014-10-29 14:17|| Front Page Top

#12 And of course, had I been 9 minutes earlier... But 3dc is providing much more info than I :)
Posted by Tony 2014-10-29 14:18||   2014-10-29 14:18|| Front Page Top

#13 A great comment by "Greg" at NASASpaceFlight.com (Locked down only to registered users after the explosion)
I think it would be more likely to see CRS-6 moved up, maybe even into January, than any substantial changes to CRS-5. Depends on how far through manufacturing the CRS-6 Dragon is, I bet. If I were SpaceX, I'd probably be trying to make a case for NASA to buy a "test flight" of a refurbished Dragon sometime in 2015 to fill the gap without stressing the Dragon manufacturing line.

Note NASA has refused to consider used Dragons even though they are rated for 12 to 25 flights.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:24||   2014-10-29 14:24|| Front Page Top

#14 also regarding the destroyed pad:
IIRC the state of Virginia foot a lot of the pad expansion cost.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:28||   2014-10-29 14:28|| Front Page Top

#15 And just before the explosion were tweeting about being prepared to switch to newer Russian motors: Tweet
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:33||   2014-10-29 14:33|| Front Page Top

#16 and this:
Orbital Sciences: If our negs w/ ULA for access to Russian RD-180 engine fail, we can refile our antitrust lawsuit against ULA.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:34||   2014-10-29 14:34|| Front Page Top

#17 and this comment: Pegging future hopes to another Russian engine that's already been used as a political asset once in a situation that shows no sign of being resolved. What could go wrong?
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:36||   2014-10-29 14:36|| Front Page Top

#18 The N1 failure in 69 (same engines)
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:42||   2014-10-29 14:42|| Front Page Top

#19 Orbital to Conduct Conference Call with Financial Analysts and Investors to Discuss Antares Rocket Launch Failure

-- 1:00 p.m. (EDT) Conference Call with Financial Analysts and Investors to be Webcast --

DULLES, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 29, 2014-- Orbital Sciences Corporation (NYSE: ORB) announced that it will host a conference call with investors and analysts later today to discuss yesterday’s launch failure of the company’s Antares rocket on a cargo delivery mission to the International Space Station for NASA. The call will begin at 1:00 p.m. (EDT) and will be hosted by:
Mr. David W. Thompson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Garrett E. Pierce, Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer

To access to the conference call, dial (888) 541-8767 and use the conference ID number 28574595. The conference call will also be webcast through a link on Orbital’s web site at www.orbital.com/investor. A replay of the conference call will be available later in the day online or by dialing (855) 859-2056 and using the same conference ID number. The replay will remain active for three days, until November 1, 2014.


More information about Orbital can be found at http://www.orbital.com.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:53||   2014-10-29 14:53|| Front Page Top

#20 And this comment:
We shall see. Different companies do failure boards with different degrees of success. There are lots of explicit and implicit pressures (PR, trying to preserve sunk costs, people who are *sure* what the cause is, political fallout, etc.) that must be ignored, since as Feynman said, "Mother Nature cannot be fooled". Orbital has had failure board failures in the past - they lost a mission due to a failed fairing, convened a failure board, implemented what they thought were enough fixes, then lost the next mission in the same manner.

The pressure on a company-employed failure board member could be enormously intense, even if self-induced. Suppose you were investigating the test stand explosion of the AJ-26. One possible outcome of the review board might be that these decade-old engines cannot be trusted. Do YOU want to be the person to tell your chairman your company made a mistake in picking these engines, it will need to refund the CRS contract, subject the company to public humiliation, stand down for four years, and lay off thousands of employees? The failure board folks know full well their recommendations have consequences, and it would require an inhuman level of dispassionate analysis for an employee to avoid even unconscious bias.

So no, I would not trust Frank Culbertson, or any Orbital employee, to lead the investigation. They have too much of an internal conflict of interest, despite their best intentions. I think the board must be led by, and primarily composed of, outsiders. To do otherwise is to expect too much of human beings.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:55||   2014-10-29 14:55|| Front Page Top

#21 Chopper footage of pad this morning: Link
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 14:59||   2014-10-29 14:59|| Front Page Top

#22 An arm chair analyst said the following... note not an Orbital person:
I went through the video frame by frame several times and came to basically the same conclusion. I've attached screenshots of the two frames before the visible anomaly and two frames where something has clearly gone wrong.

My observations and speculation: It appears that the engine loses thrust and the plume becomes extremely rich, suggesting oxidizer starvation. The explosion occurs several frames later, then the rocket falls back with the first stage largely intact with the business end still burning. The explosion suggests that either the turbopump of the combustion chamber disintegrated, and combined with the apparent oxidizer starvation it suggests that the oxidizer side of the turbopump assembly suffered a reduction in flow rate followed by mechanical failure Based on the delay between apparent loss of oxidizer and explosion, my guess is a foreign object or contamination in the oxidizer.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 15:05||   2014-10-29 15:05|| Front Page Top

#23 This was news to me (literally, 11 pm last night).

Was watching the local news when it launched, and ran outside to see it (supposedly we could see it from Richmond). Never saw anything, but figured maybe the clouds to the east were enough to obscure. Went on about my business and didn't see TV again until ll pm news.

Maybe next time. :-(

Posted by Barbara 2014-10-29 15:31||   2014-10-29 15:31|| Front Page Top

#24 more background from comments at NasaSpaceFlight.com:
The tankage is indeed manufactured in Ukraine, but I believe the one used for this flight was shipped well before the current situation developed, even before the "Maidan" protests. The Antares' first stage tankage equipment is built by Yuzhnoye (Dnipropetrovsk), while the control system for analog Soyuz variants (U, FG) is made by Polysvit (Kharkov).

The NK-33 engines were manufactured in Samara (USSR, now part of the Russian Federation), but 40 years ago. Modificaton work (inspections, digital controllers and some part replacement) to transform them into AJ-26 was performed in Sacramento (CA, USA) and possibly the Stennis test facility in Missisippi.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 15:50||   2014-10-29 15:50|| Front Page Top

#25 pad burning:
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 15:55||   2014-10-29 15:55|| Front Page Top

#26 News Release Issued: Oct 29, 2014 (11:57am EDT)

ATK Statement Regarding Orbital's Antares Launch Failure

ARLINGTON, Va., Oct. 29, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- An unfortunate failure occurred during Orbital Sciences Corporation's Antares launch on October 28, 2014. ATK (NYSE: ATK) is conducting a thorough evaluation of any potential implications resulting from this incident, including current operating plans, long-term strategies, and the proposed transaction to merge the company's Aerospace and Defense businesses with Orbital.
Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 16:06||   2014-10-29 16:06|| Front Page Top

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Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 17:08||   2014-10-29 17:08|| Front Page Top

#28 Buy from SpaceX, they're made in _this_ country.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-10-29 18:18||   2014-10-29 18:18|| Front Page Top

#29 We all know it's Obama's fault. He acted stupidly. He needs to sit down and have a beer with Putin and these problems will be solved.

Though I'd um...check the beer for polonium.
Posted by Silentbrick 2014-10-29 19:16||   2014-10-29 19:16|| Front Page Top

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Posted by 3dc 2014-10-29 22:47||   2014-10-29 22:47|| Front Page Top

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