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2003-06-15 Europe

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Posted by Bulldog 2003-06-15 07:51 am|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 ...he could be arrested to stand trial if he enters Belgium...
Yeah. I'd like to see them try.

Posted by RW 2003-06-15 08:15:48|| 2003-06-15 08:15:48|| Front Page Top

#2 I wonder what the world would think if the US were to pass a "universal competence" law like Belgium's.

Heh, heh...

Posted by Dave D. 2003-06-15 10:55:54|| 2003-06-15 10:55:54|| Front Page Top

#3 Hmm... so the list of 55 most wanted Iraqis, isn't some kind of "universal competence" the American government thinks it has about crimes committed on Iraqi soil?

And what about other people such as Castro? Are they allowed to freely visit America and leave it without being bothered by the authorities?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-06-15 12:13:43|| 2003-06-15 12:13:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Aris, we mostly handle that by denying visas. Castro simply isn't welcome. If he showed up here, he'd be arrested for entering the country illegally.
The only foreign leader I'm aware of us incarcerating is Noriega, who was convicted on drug trafficking charges (operations conducted inside the US, even if he wasn't).

Europe's history of welcoming "The Leader" of various nations is well documented. It's not something I'd be too proud of if I were you.

Posted by Dishman 2003-06-15 13:24:47|| 2003-06-15 13:24:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Aris, we've asserted this competence only in countries we've fought and defeated. Now if Belgium is prepared to conquer Israel... Maybe we'll assert universal competence by conquering Belgium. Or Greece...

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-06-15 13:25:08|| 2003-06-15 13:25:08|| Front Page Top

#6 The United States is capturing and holding the 55 "most wanted". We've yet determined how we would proceed with a procecution. We are also militarily in charge of Iraq until the Iraqi people can elect members to a national government. As for Castro, his entry into the United States has been to visit the United Nations, and the US has allowed such visits to keep from causing problems with the UN membership. Aris, you know this, but spew your arrogant bullshit to stir up trouble. You are disgusting.
The biggest POC in Europe is France, where our good friend Bob from Zimbabwe was welcomed with open arms by Chirac. Bob's welcome during his French visit was a carefully crafted political blow aimed at Britain - something all Britons should keep in mind before blindly accepting further "integration" into the "European Union".

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-06-15 13:54:39|| 2003-06-15 13:54:39|| Front Page Top

#7 "Castro simply isn't welcome. If he showed up here, he'd be arrested for entering the country illegally."

So, let's assume that you had a certain free borders treaty (let's call this hypothetical treaty "Shengen"). Let's say that Castro used it to go from one country to the other.

Should you arrest him or shouldn't you? You won't have "illegal entry" as an excuse.

"As for Castro, his entry into the United States has been to visit the United Nations, and the US has allowed such visits to keep from causing problems with the UN membership. Aris, you know this, but spew your arrogant bullshit to stir up trouble. "

Actually, no, I had momentarily forgotten that Castro had spoken in the UN.

"The biggest POC in Europe is France"

What does POC mean?

"where our good friend Bob from Zimbabwe was welcomed with open arms by Chirac."

*shrug* I've never said I liked Chirac.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-06-15 14:29:09|| 2003-06-15 14:29:09|| Front Page Top

#8 Castro is a bad example: He has killed Americans. End of the story.
Noriega's drug trafficking killed Americans: End of the story.
With the rest of the bunch it's easy as well: When entering the U.S. you have to sign that you never committed genocide, are not entering the US to commit terrorist acts or drug trafficking, and that you don't show your willie in public ("moral turpitude").

The Belgians should just do the same ;-)

Btw I'm not sure whether Chirac was that happy about Mugabe attending. Many African states actually said, if Bob doesn't show up we won't either, which would have spoilt Chirac's African party. It was like ten babes insisting on bringing along the wallflower or... Hmmmm would you show the babes the door?

Posted by True German Ally 2003-06-15 15:54:55|| 2003-06-15 15:54:55|| Front Page Top

#9 Aris... Piece of Cr**

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-06-15 16:01:28|| 2003-06-15 16:01:28|| Front Page Top

#10 "So, let's assume that you had a certain free borders treaty...". We don't.
For those who believe in moral equivalence (I'm not one), the Belgian law is equivalent to Frankenkimmie or some mullah declaring the right to try anyone in the world for crimes against Juche or Islam. Please note Khomeini's standing fatwa against Salman Rushie for his writings in the UK.
Belgium has claimed the right to try anyone in the world for actions that to not directly or indirectly involve Belgium or Belgians. That's fine. They have a right to claim that. They shouldn't be surprised, though, when we treat them like other nations that claim the same.

Posted by Dishman 2003-06-15 18:11:20|| 2003-06-15 18:11:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Let us not forget that great and tolerant Religious leader Kohmeni of Iran.

Posted by raptor 2003-06-16 08:21:15|| 2003-06-16 08:21:15|| Front Page Top

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