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2004-03-01

Condy Rice: End of Israeli "humiliations" of Palis = Peace

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Posted by Prince Vlad 2004-03-01 2:24:29 PM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 " And, it must do more to improve the lives of the Palestinian people, removing the daily humiliations that harden the hearts of future generations."

Arik Sharon recognizes that Israel is better off when it can reduce checkpoints, curfews etc. But that security cooperation is required so this can be done compatibly with Israels security. I see nothing in Condies statement that suggests she takes a different position. She merely indicates the quid pro quo for "Palestinian leaders need embrace democracy, eliminate corruption, and fight terrorism."

I see no finger pointing at Israel.

As for self-flagellation, thats part of historic Shiite culture. And yes, letting them do what they want is part of freedom. How are we gonna take it back - put Saddam back in charge????

Posted by liberalhawk 2004-3-1 2:34:58 PM|| 2004-3-1 2:34:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 a HAMAS-Hizbollah federation, armed and in preparation to destroy Israel

I don't think they're prepared to destroy anything but themselves. They can try though.

Posted by Rafael 2004-3-1 3:22:56 PM|| 2004-3-1 3:22:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 actually the only way to peace is by humiliating the Paleos into giving up on terrorism

Posted by mhw 2004-3-1 3:40:47 PM|| 2004-3-1 3:40:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I can hear the calls anti war, pro dictatorship side now - 'bring back Saddam bring back Saddam'

Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-1 3:47:39 PM|| 2004-3-1 3:47:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 mhw - you need a carrot and a stick - Condie above is waving the carrot. If youre humilated WHATEVER you do, theres no incentive.

Posted by liberalhawk 2004-3-1 4:32:57 PM|| 2004-3-1 4:32:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Condi has to give out something for public consumption. The ONLY way for the Paleos to become Palestinians is to BOTTOM OUT just like junkies and alcoholics do, and to quit making excuses for themselves. They have to decide on a society of Life or a society of Death. If they choose Life, then they climb back up. The Israelis have not levelled their precious little shitholes with airstrikes, which they very well could have done. Now the Paleos are being quarantined while they get their act together or die, whichever comes first.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-3-1 5:26:13 PM|| 2004-3-1 5:26:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 LH -- their carrot is that they'll stop being "humiliated" if they stop supporting terrorism. If they continue supporting terrorism, they'll continue to get humiliated.

Your comment about "WHATEVER you do" doesn't make sense, since the Palestinians have NOT stopped supporting terrorism. If they had, and the Israelis behaved as if they hadn't, then you'd have a point. As the facts exist, you don't.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-3-1 5:30:38 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-3-1 5:30:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 liberalhawk:
Can't you see the problem in absoluting "freedom"? The Aztecs practiced cannibalism as a religious exercise. Mormon polygamy isn't legal, anywhere. American Muslims can't abandon their wives by saying "I divorce thee!" 3 times. The CPA is carrying out "de-baathization" in Iraq, while letting Shiites unite politically with Iran, a Charter member of the "axis of evil." I assume they will chose to do "evil." See CPA Order #1:
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/regulations/index.html#Orders

Posted by Anonymous 2004-3-1 7:38:20 PM|| 2004-3-1 7:38:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 I watched the speech on CSPAN. She made strong parallels to what is happening today and Reagan's prosection of the Cold War through increasingthe pressure on the Soviets. What Bush is doing to AQ, Sadaam, Cuba, Syria, Iran and NK seem to be a continuation of what Ronnie was doing.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-3-1 10:46:53 PM|| 2004-3-1 10:46:53 PM|| Front Page Top

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