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2005-04-14 Britain

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-04-14 1:26:09 AM|| || Front Page|| [9 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The British immigration/asylum system has to be one of the weakest links in the War on Terror.

Posted by Howard UK 2005-04-14 8:21:14 AM|| 2005-04-14 8:21:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Not to mention the French, Canadian, and Mexican systems.

Posted by BH 2005-04-14 10:13:14 AM|| 2005-04-14 10:13:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The British immigration/asylum system has to be one of the weakest links in the War on Terror.

In terms of gaping vulnerability, the U.S./Mexican border isn't that far behind.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-04-14 10:14:02 AM|| 2005-04-14 10:14:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 BH you are wrong:

Peruse the litterature about the subject and you will notice that France ia marked as a "to be avoided" territory by Al Quaida types. The reason is that after the GIA bombings in 1995 authorities are alert against islamic terrorists and also because France has legislation (and judges willing to enforce it) who puts the Patriot Act at a shame.

BTW a frequent complaint of anti-terrorist French cops has been the leniency of British authorities and them granting asylum towards people there were solid proofs against.

Posted by JFM 2005-04-14 12:56:23 PM|| 2005-04-14 12:56:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 JFM: The reason is that after the GIA bombings in 1995 authorities are alert against islamic terrorists and also because France has legislation (and judges willing to enforce it) who puts the Patriot Act at a shame.

Is it true that French magistrates are both judge and defense lawyer? (Come to think of it, just like Chinese magistrates of antiquity).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-04-14 2:31:39 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-04-14 2:31:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Nope. During investigation there is something called the "juge d'instruction" supervising teh action of the police or who is the guy who signs teh orders for jailing during investigation or paroling. This special judge is supposed to seek the truth ie investigate both the clues hinting the suspect is innocent than thus hinting he is guilty. Even at the instruction stage the suspect can and must be assisted by a lawyer. Some people think that this system tends to lead the judge to be carried by the "hunting instinct" and thus looking primarily towards how to nail the suspect instead of looking in both directions: trying to find evidence for innocence and guiltiness. Once the instruction is over and if there is enough proof the accusee goes to a court presided by one or three judges with an accuser and a defender. At this stage it looks more like an american court except that the judges are more active than in the american system (at times they interrogate directly the witnesses) and that they are members of the jury (three judges against six citizens). I am not fond of this but it is better than the old chinese way.

Posted by JFM 2005-04-14 4:56:21 PM|| 2005-04-14 4:56:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 the old chinese way. What was that, JFM?

Posted by trailing wife 2005-04-14 11:03:03 PM|| 2005-04-14 11:03:03 PM|| Front Page Top

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