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2005-11-03 Europe

US destroying secular Middle East: Le Pen

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Posted by Seafarious 2005-11-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Supporting Hezbollah must be the strange new way of showing you're "secular."

Posted by Phil 2005-11-03 00:17|| 2005-11-03 00:17|| Front Page Top

#2 Is that the reason for arguing against regime change in Syria and the backhanded sneer at Israel?

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-11-03 00:34|| 2005-11-03 00:34|| Front Page Top

#3 I look at it more along the lines of, "We, ze Phrench, like our Meedle East cawntries better weeth deektators in charge."

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-11-03 00:54|| 2005-11-03 00:54|| Front Page Top

#4 So, they're pissed off that we're intruding on their territory, eh?

Posted by gromky">gromky 2005-11-03 04:33|| http://communistposters.com/]">[http://communistposters.com/] 2005-11-03 04:33|| Front Page Top

#5 The Front National is anti-US (it was said that FN supporters drank champagne during 9/11 news coverage), and Le Pen was a stout Saddam supporter (his second wife runs an org supporting iraqi children).
There are some ideological convergences between far-right and baathism, too.
Note that the FN is an hodge-podge (?) of movements only held by the charisma of JMLP, who's now very aged and runs the party like a private business, mostly for his personal benefit (my take is he's got an unspoken agreement with the establishment, he's their scarecrow and devil, so they can act like the saviors of democracy and get some legitimacy they wouldn't get otherwise, and in return he's got a political niche). They're not nazis nor fascists, they're just traditional right-wing, some conservative catholics, a few "reaganians", a few petainists, some "French Algeria" & pieds-noirs,... Pat Buchanan paleo-cons, actually.

Real problem is that almost all the french political scenery is anti-US and anti-zionist, from the far-right (it's a bit more complicated than that, but many there are pro-palestinian and anti-capitalist, for example) to the far-left... and "liberal" (european sense, free-market, small gvt) is a foul word for most of the people.
THe MSM and their incestouus complicity with the establishment don't help, of course.

Btw, it could be said I'm a right-winger, but in fact it's just that french politics are *so* shifted to the left (Shiraq, the "conservative" president is to the left of Scroder and Blair...), I'm a centrist liberal-conservative, a republican (that's what US pol quizz tell me, anyway).
The "right-wing" I belong to is mostly an virtual, "internet" one (IE anti islam websites, a few orgs,...) which is pro-US, pro-Israel, pro-free market, and not obligatory catholic and/or nationalist (though it helps).

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-03 05:31|| 2005-11-03 05:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Good luck A5089--from what they're saying of France here on the 'burg, you just might get some reinforcements soon.

Posted by mac 2005-11-03 05:38|| 2005-11-03 05:38|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm a centrist liberal-conservative, a republican

Quite a few of us would fit into that description. Liberal on personal freedom issues. Right of centre on law and order, national defence and PC idiocy and its attendant social engineering.

Posted by phil_b 2005-11-03 07:02|| 2005-11-03 07:02|| Front Page Top

#8 Le Pen pretends to have been one of the youngest resistents in France but AFAIK his "resistance" consisted in, alongide with his father, hiding the family gun when the Germans started collecting weapons. He did neither put it to good use nor delivered it to the nearest resistance group.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-11-03 08:08|| 2005-11-03 08:08|| Front Page Top

#9 Nazi Germany was secular, the Papal States a theocracy (I think). The terms mean nothing without more context. I prefer a distinction between dictatorship and democracy. All dictatorships suck, and those that love and coddle dictators are slime.

Posted by rjschwarz (no T!) 2005-11-03 09:25|| 2005-11-03 09:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Phil_b, your assessment describes my political outlook perfectly. Guess that's why I like to hang out here. :)

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-11-03 09:50|| 2005-11-03 09:50|| Front Page Top

#11 Phil-B, I've been searching for a way to describe my political outlook and you just gave it to me. Thanks.

Guess that's why I liked this place from the start. :)

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