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2006-01-06 Iraq

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-01-06 12:38|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Zarq is a demon and so are the psychopathic homicidal terrorists. What the muslim better realize is that the islamo-psychopaths will kill everyone of them, too.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2006-01-06 12:57|| 2006-01-06 12:57|| Front Page Top

#2 Zarq is a demon

Just following the footsteps of the Ã¼berdemon Mohammedamd and his satan-worshipping cult of death.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-01-06 13:06|| 2006-01-06 13:06|| Front Page Top

#3 Now, now. No need for religous references.

Let's just say Big Mo was a smooth-talkin' bastard who got a lot of pig-ignorant bedoins to buy his schtick, and leave it at that.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-01-06 14:04|| 2006-01-06 14:04|| Front Page Top

#4 A little less railing and a lot more ratting out of the Al-Qaeda hard boyz would go a long way to help root out the murderous beasts.

Posted by The Accurate Fliegerabwehrkanonen 2006-01-06 14:11|| http://www.justinraimondosworld.blogspot.com]">[http://www.justinraimondosworld.blogspot.com] 2006-01-06 14:11|| Front Page Top

#5 This is exactley why old Zark is a unfortuante good thing in our WOT. He has once again achieved what we have trouble doing winning US huge numbers of hearts and minds while at the same time making AQ massive numbers of new blood enemies who normally would be allies or at least smypathetic.

Posted by C-Low 2006-01-06 14:15|| 2006-01-06 14:15|| Front Page Top

#6 note that even Sunnis are calling zarq evil and they are doing it on al J (not to mention the WaPo and AP who also felt they could carry this story)

I find that the elite left does not find the actual bombings, murders, destruction, etc. evil or even annoying - but does find it annoying when W calls evil doers, evil doers.

Posted by mhw 2006-01-06 14:26|| 2006-01-06 14:26|| Front Page Top

#7 You are right mhw,
It makes their skin crawl every time they hear it. when you are trying to outlaw christianity, you cant have the prez on tv making biblical references.

Posted by Slolurong Whomock5480 2006-01-06 15:31|| 2006-01-06 15:31|| Front Page Top

#8 ..note that even Sunnis are calling zarq evil..

While this is an encouraging development, I tend to be a bit cynical about it, as it's only come about because it's THEIR ox being gored. Otherwise, those whiners would be uttering the Death to America&trade chant we've all come to know so well.

Were Zarqawi and his minions a little brighter, being a little more discriminate in their attacks might have made this scenario a little more likely.

Posted by Slusing Grolung1897 2006-01-06 15:36|| 2006-01-06 15:36|| Front Page Top

#9 The surviving police recruits showed where their sympathies lay - after the bombing, they got back in line to continue the screening process, the U.S. military said.

It's hard not to admire that level of determination.

Some of those killed were tribal leaders who had come to supervise the recruitment of residents into the country's police force, Majeed Tikriti, a doctor in Ramadi's hospital, said.

This is a little disturbing. It almost seems as if the elders are trying to get certain handpicked ~~moles~~ candidates pushed onto the hiring roster.

Another group of people beat a doctor in the hospital after he told an Iraqi journalist that U.S. forces were to blame for the attacks.

What's not to like?

Zarqawi is definitely digging his own grave. Unfortunately, far too many Muslims regard terrorism as an acceptable problem solving tool. This results in Zarq's brutality being perceived as merely misdirected instead of wholly objectionable, as it should be.

Again, all of this is part of an overarching need for all Iraqis to finally realize how important it is to ultimately reject terrorism across the board. If they could only do so, the moral high ground thereby obtained would enable them to begin questioning Iran's role in the slaughter, not to mention engaging the Sunni terrorists militarily.

More than anything, the Islam's inability to reject and renounce terrorism is what will get them all killed. Either by each other or by a world grown impatient with their atrocities and obsessive brutality.

Posted by Zenster 2006-01-06 17:02|| 2006-01-06 17:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Except for the Kurds, this whole give 'em a chance
(item 4) thing is wearing thin... All of the Arabs are insane, per any rational analysis. Sans their blame culture, they might eventually make it. But, from the incurable Ba'athist mentality to the Sistani / SCIRI our pathogenic pathetic sect is less pathetic than you pathogenic pathetic sect ancient pissing match, the point seems made that they just don't have the customs, background, or underpinnings to have a civil society worth our efforts. Topple, Rinse, Repeat, call it item 9, seems to be our most rational response to murderous pathogenic ideologies.

Posted by .com 2006-01-06 17:19|| 2006-01-06 17:19|| Front Page Top

#11 .com: All of the Arabs are insane, per any rational analysis. Sans their blame culture, they might eventually make it.

Actually, most non-Western countries have a blame culture. Talk to the Indians or the Chinese, and they will finger their period of "colonial humiliation" as the reason for their backwardness. The difference with some Arab Muslims is that they feel justified in killing foreigners in retaliation.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-01-06 17:30|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-01-06 17:30|| Front Page Top

#12 ZF - what do they use to explain their backwardness before the "colonial humiliation"?

As for the Sunnis in Ramadi - Cause, meet Effect.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-01-06 17:34|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-01-06 17:34|| Front Page Top

#13 Excellent observation, ZF - I'll buy some of that. That it is the core "value" of Arab "society" does set it apart, however. Just my opinion. I would wager it is only dragged out for display on special occasions with the rest.

Everyone / every society obviously has convenient boogeymen they employ when attention needs to be diverted from the day-to-day failings of said person / society. Sacred cows. On a personal level we should have BBQ as often as we identify them, heh. On the social level, you have to amass not only a sufficient number of fellows who agree, but those sacred cows which are part of custom, however, are especially hard to lasso.

As Twain said:
"Customs do not concern themselves with right or wrong or reason."

"Laws are sand, customs are rock. Laws can be evaded and punishment escaped, but an openly transgressed custom brings sure punishment."

and

"A crime persevered in a thousand centuries ceases to be a crime, and becomes a virtue. This is the law of custom, and custom supercedes all other forms of law."

---

We have hit the wall with the Arabs. They must overturn custom to become civil.

Posted by .com 2006-01-06 17:45|| 2006-01-06 17:45|| Front Page Top

#14 Actually, most non-Western countries have a blame culture. Talk to the Indians or the Chinese, and they will finger their period of "colonial humiliation" as the reason for their backwardness. The difference with some Arab Muslims is that they feel justified in killing foreigners in retaliation.
Posted by: Zhang Fei 2006-01-06 17:30

If my history serves me correctly, I believe Hitler rode to power on the 'cult of victimization' train as well. The only colonial humiliation I can imagine being suffered would be by those who still refuse to accept proper hygiene and the use of toilet paper. But I guess it's a personal.... "choice."

Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-06 17:51|| 2006-01-06 17:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Funny thing that, I've actually heard of people in the Thurd World talking about toilet paper as some sort of Western Cultural Imperialism...

...and they're totally oblivious to the _HISTORICAL FACT_ that toilet paper was first invented in China.

Posted by Abspembleable Snowspemble 2006-01-06 18:08|| 2006-01-06 18:08|| Front Page Top

#16 You would've thought that with all the Korans around, the Arabs would have invented TP.

Posted by wxjames 2006-01-06 18:37|| 2006-01-06 18:37|| Front Page Top

#17 On a personal level we should have BBQ as often as we identify them, heh.

mmm,,, BBQ mmm ... mmm...
a hog slow roasting for several days in a smoker... mmm mmm...
and beer....
mmm

Yes... its supper time and it sounds soo good...
mmm...

Posted by 3dc 2006-01-06 19:42|| 2006-01-06 19:42|| Front Page Top

#18 BS: ZF - what do they use to explain their backwardness before the "colonial humiliation"?

Leaving out the Stone Age natives of the Americas and Oceania, much of the developing world was as advanced or more advanced than the West, in the pre-Industrial Age era. Once the Industrial Age came about, driven as it was by the demise of national monopolies and the advent of large-scale private enterprises, the West left all and sundry behind. The backwardness of many non-Western countries is the result of socialist policies that put a modern face on pre-Industrial Age economic policies that throttle private industry.

However, the folks who play the blame game probably feel that free trade in itself is the reason that they are so poor and the West so rich. It's a combination of the idea that they are being underpaid for their goods and overpaying for Western goods, together with the notion of unfair competition from Western countries.

I think the reality is that a significant chunk of what were once advanced societies never figured out how to find new niches to recreate the prosperity that was once theirs. For millenia, the Middle East got rich off charging tolls to people who wanted to transport goods (spices, silk, tea, porcelain, silver, gold, et al) from the Far East to Europe and vice-versa. The advent of ocean-going ships able to bypass land routes to the Far East and back put Middle Eastern toll-takers out of business. For thousands of years, Indian cotton-makers produced the finest cotton products in the world. Then came the cotton gin, which produced cotton for much less, and of a much more consistent quality than the Indian product, which destroyed the Indian cotton industry. Bottom line is that formerly-advanced civilizations like India, China, et al invented a great deal, but could not find a way to keep up with industrial-era rates of innovation - thanks to the miracle of free enterprise - where perhaps more things have been invented in a shorter period of time than in all of man's pre-industrial era existence.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-01-06 20:54|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-01-06 20:54|| Front Page Top

#19 Bottom line is that formerly-advanced civilizations like India, China, et al invented a great deal, but could not find a way to keep up with industrial-era rates of innovation - thanks to the miracle of free enterprise - where perhaps more things have been invented in a shorter period of time than in all of man's pre-industrial era existence.

Great synopsis, ZF. Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" bears out your summary quite well. There is nothing like rollicking free market industrial societies to foster the birth of so many "rare geniuses".

America's industrial might, military superiority and persisting innovative skill are a direct result of capitalism being given its best chance ever to succeed. Free thought has incubated the most astonishing technological advances this world has ever seen. I give you:

THE CHIP-SCALE ATOMIC CLOCK

http://www.darpa.mil/mto/csac/

I'll tell you right now, no jihadi is inventing something this revolutionary that is so capable of profoundly changing the technological landscape.

I'll have to post a separate thread for discussion of this on Monday.

Posted by Zenster 2006-01-06 21:15|| 2006-01-06 21:15|| Front Page Top

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