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2006-04-17 Home Front: WoT

Israel Reportedly Proposes Swap for Pollard

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Posted by Steve White 2006-04-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sorry NFW.

Posted by SPoD 2006-04-17 01:00|| http://sockpuppetofdoom.blogspot.com/]">[http://sockpuppetofdoom.blogspot.com/] 2006-04-17 01:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Israel could be looking for an excuse to release Marwan Barghouti, who will be a long term head ache in jail. Probably out of jail too.

Posted by Bernardz 2006-04-17 06:01|| 2006-04-17 06:01|| Front Page Top

#3 Ummmm.... No.

Posted by 6 2006-04-17 07:22|| 2006-04-17 07:22|| Front Page Top

#4 I wonder if this is just more fake-news?

/ifin not, F*UCK NO!

Posted by RD 2006-04-17 07:29|| 2006-04-17 07:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Pollard warns against appointing Rafi Eitan as minister

Sources close to Jonathan Pollard - the Israeli agent imprisoned in the United States - warned on Friday that if Gil Pensioners' Party Chairman Rafi Eitan would be appointed a minister in Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's government, Pollard would release classified information that could be harmful to Israel.

They claimed that the information would be detrimental to every former Israeli prime minister, including senior Kadima MK Shimon Peres, Channel 2 reported.

Pollard is serving a life sentence after being charged with selling American state secrets to Israel. His operator was Rafi Eitan who served in the Mossad at the time.

Posted by RD 2006-04-17 07:39|| 2006-04-17 07:39|| Front Page Top

#6 Word is, Rafi Eitan was Pollard's handler

Posted by RD 2006-04-17 07:41|| 2006-04-17 07:41|| Front Page Top

#7 LINK

Pollard said, "In my worst nightmares I never imagined that my people wouldn't care about the mitzvah of rescuing prisoners to such an extent that they would bring to power my former commander - the man who betrayed me and abandoned me for 21 years,"

WORD: If you SPY against your own country and then get caught, don't Whine about it later asshole because you made the choice, no one forced you. Pollard is lucky to still be breathing.

Posted by RD 2006-04-17 07:49|| 2006-04-17 07:49|| Front Page Top

#8 Sorry Pollard the Eitan used you and you let him.

Posted by djohn66 2006-04-17 08:35|| 2006-04-17 08:35|| Front Page Top

#9 I am going to go out on a limb and call this wishful thinking for Pollard.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-04-17 10:25|| 2006-04-17 10:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Pollard is lucky he is still alive. He should have been shot, but then they made a movie (Falcon and Snowman) about the stupid kids who stole a billion dollars with of technology and sold it to the Russians in Mexico City for $10,000. They should have been buried alive with scarab beetles.

Posted by RWV 2006-04-17 10:28|| 2006-04-17 10:28|| Front Page Top

#11 Any Terms of Reference or conditions? Maybe he could be traded cold, very, very cold.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-04-17 11:13|| 2006-04-17 11:13|| Front Page Top

#12 http://www.abrooke.com/pollard/sentences.htm
The following tables indicate how grossly disproportionate Pollard's life sentence is when compared to the sentences of others who spied for allied nations.
Pollard's life sentence is also disproportionate even when compared to the sentences of those who committed far more serious offences by spying for enemy nations.

Table I: American Allies

Jonathan Pollard is the only person in the history of the United States to receive a life sentence for spying for an American ally.
On November 21, 2005, Pollard entered the 21th year of his life sentence, with no end in sight.
The maximum sentence today for such an offence is 10 years.
The median sentence for this offence is 2 to 4 years.
Name Country Spied For Sentence/Punishment Time Served
Before Release*
Jonathan Pollard Israel Life imprisonment
Michael Schwartz Saudi Arabia Discharged from Navy No time served.
Peter Lee China 1 year in halfway house No jail time.
Samuel Morison Great Britain 2 years 3 months
Phillip Selden El Salvador 2 years
Steven Baba South Africa 8 years; reduced to 2 years 5 months
Sharon Scranage Ghana 5 years; reduced to 2 years 8 months
Jean Baynes Phillipines 41 months 15 months
Abdul Kader Helmy Egypt 4 years 2 years
Geneva Jones Liberia 37 months
Frederick Hamilton Ecuador 37 months
Joseph Brown Phillipines 6 years
Michael Allen Phillipines 8 years
Robert Kim South Korea 9 years 7 years
Thomas Dolce South Africa 10 years 5.2 years
Steven Lalas Greece 14 years

* Time served before release is shown where known. Other cases of early release exist.

Table II: American Enemies

Jonathan Pollard spied for an American ally. This chart shows that Pollard's life sentence is far harsher than most of the sentences received by those who spied for enemies, and thereby committed much more serious offences and treason.
Name Country Spied For Sentence Time Served
Before Release*
James Wood Soviet Union 2 years
Sahag Dedyan Soviet Union 3 years
Randy Jeffries Soviet Union 3-9 years
Amarylis Santos Cuba 3½ years
Joseph Santos Cuba 4 years
Mariano Faget Cuba 5 years
Brian Horton Soviet Union 6 years
Alejandro Alonso Cuba 7 years
William Bell Poland 8 years
Alfred Zoho East Germany 8 years
Nikolay Ogarodnikova Soviet Union 8 years
Francis X. Pizzo Soviet Union 10 years
Daniel Richardson Soviet Union 10 years
Ernst Forbich East Germany 15 years
William Whalen Soviet Union 15 years
Edwin Moore Soviet Union 15 years
Troung Dinh Ung North Vietnam 15 years
Ronald Humphrey North Vietnam 15 years
Kurt Alan Stand East Germany 17½ years
Robert Lipka Soviet Union 18 years
David Barnett Soviet Union 18 years
Svetlana Ogarodnikova Soviet Union 18 years
Albert Sombolay Iraq & Jordan 19 years
Richard Miller Soviet Union 20 years 6 years
Theresa Maria Squillacote East Germany 21.8 years
Sarkis Paskallan Soviet Union 22 years
Harold Nicholson Soviet Union 23 years
David Boone Soviet Union 24 years
Ana Belen Montes Cuba 25 years
Clayton Lonetree Soviet Union 25 years 9 years
Michael Walker Soviet Union 25 years 15 years
Bruce Ott Soviet Union 25 years
Kelly Warren Hungary &
Czechoslovakia 25 years
Earl Pitts Soviet Union 27 years
H.W. Boachanhaupi Soviet Union 30 years
Roderick Ramsay Hungary &
Czechoslovakia 36 years
James Hall Soviet Union
& East Germany 40 years
Christopher Boyce Soviet Union 40 years
William Kampiles Soviet Union 40 years 19 years
Veldik Enger Soviet Union 50 years
R.P. Charnyayev Soviet Union 50 years
Marian Zacharski Poland Life 4 years
Aldrich Ames Soviet Union Life
Robert Hanssen Soviet Union Life

* Time served before release is shown where known. Other cases of early release exist.

Aldrich Ames: A Case In Point

Aldrich Ames who spied for an enemy nation (the Soviet Union), committed treason, and was responsible for the deaths of at least 11 American agents, received the same sentence as Jonathan Pollard. Pollard's only indictment was one count of passing classified information to an ally. Pollard spent 7 years in solitary confinement, in the harshest unit of the harshest prison in the Federal system - FCI Marion.
Aldrich Ames' treatment was far more benign, and (except for a relatively short period of time during debriefing) did not include the rigours of long years of solitary; nor was he ever subjected to the harsh conditions of "K" Unit at Marion - even though his offence was far more serious.

This does not make wrong right but it is somewhat instructive.

Posted by SamAdamsky 2006-04-17 11:46|| 2006-04-17 11:46|| Front Page Top

#13 SA,

Sorry. All your list proves is that we punished all those other cretins too lightly.

Posted by Dreadnought 2006-04-17 12:09|| 2006-04-17 12:09|| Front Page Top

#14 Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)
The documents that Pollard turned over to Israel were not focussed exclusively on the product of American intelligence -- its analytical reports and estimates. They also revealed how America was able to learn what it did -- a most sensitive area of intelligence defined as "sources and methods." Pollard gave the Israelis vast amounts of data dealing with specific American intelligence systems and how they worked. For example, he betrayed details of an exotic capability that American satellites have of taking off-axis photographs from high in space. While orbiting the earth in one direction, the satellites could photograph areas that were seemingly far out of range. Israeli nuclear-missile sites and the like, which would normally be shielded from American satellites, would thus be left exposed, and could be photographed. "We monitor the Israelis," one intelligence expert told me, "and there's no doubt the Israelis want to prevent us from being able to surveil their country." The data passed along by Pollard included detailed information on the various platforms -- in the air, on land, and at sea -- used by military components of the National Security Agency to intercept Israeli military, commercial, and diplomatic communications.

At the time of Pollard's spying, select groups of American sailors and soldiers trained in Hebrew were stationed at an N.S.A. listening post near Harrogate, England, and at a specially constructed facility inside the American Embassy in Tel Aviv, where they intercepted and translated Israeli signals. Other interceptions came from an unmanned N.S.A. listening post in Cyprus. Pollard's handing over of the data had a clear impact, the expert told me, for "we could see the whole process" -- of intelligence collection -- "slowing down." It also hindered the United States' ability to recruit foreign agents. Another senior official commented, with bitterness, "The level of penetration would convince any self-respecting human source to look for other kinds of work."

A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard's material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union. A significant percentage of Pollard's documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union. One longtime C.I.A. officer who worked as a station chief in the Middle East said he understood that "certain elements in the Israeli military had used it" -- Pollard's material -- "to trade for people they wanted to get out," including Jewish scientists working in missile technology and on nuclear issues. Pollard's spying came at a time when the Israeli government was publicly committed to the free flow of Jewish emigres from the Soviet Union. The officials stressed the fact that they had no hard evidence -- no "smoking gun," in the form of a document from an Israeli or a Soviet archive -- to demonstrate the link between Pollard, Israel, and the Soviet Union, but they also said that the documents that Pollard had been directed by his Israeli handlers to betray led them to no other conclusion.

Posted by ed 2006-04-17 12:12|| 2006-04-17 12:12|| Front Page Top

#15 They had people 24/7 trying to figure out what he stole.

He should have been shot.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-04-17 12:16|| 2006-04-17 12:16|| Front Page Top

#16 And the Jews denied for years he was a spy.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-04-17 12:17|| 2006-04-17 12:17|| Front Page Top

#17 Again. Let him go NFW. He should have been hung. He commited what would be treason in any other country. He is lucky our law about treason is very particular. He shouldn't be allowed to communicate with anyone outside of prison staff.

Posted by SPoD 2006-04-17 12:28|| http://sockpuppetofdoom.blogspot.com/]">[http://sockpuppetofdoom.blogspot.com/] 2006-04-17 12:28|| Front Page Top

#18 Is this bastard in general population? If so, we could solve this problem on the cheap. A sharpened toothbrush and a carton of Marbs cant cost much. $50 total? I'll chip in that much.

Posted by Mike N. 2006-04-17 13:29|| 2006-04-17 13:29|| Front Page Top

#19 Nice list SA, they should have all been put up against the wall.

Posted by djohn66 2006-04-17 23:06|| 2006-04-17 23:06|| Front Page Top

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