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#1 Sorry Mr. President, you're dead wrong. Read this 'great' religion's book. Killing infidels is a duty. The big politically-correct lie told by western leaders that it's a religion of 'peace' is only adding to the problem.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-08 10:42||
#2 My dog unwittingly stir up anxiety in Muslim world...
Posted by tu3031 2006-05-08 11:32||
#3 I disagree. I think most Muslims want to live in peace. That's why they are helping us in Iraq to form a democratic government. Thinking they are all crazed killers is as wrong as it is to think that the Mexican losers rounded up by ANSWER represent most Mexican immigrants - most of whom really just want to come here for opportunity and be citizens like the rest of us. They'd fill out the paperwork and do it that way if it made sense to do so.
I don't think that Sharia is compatible with democracy. But whose fault is that that we tolerate ridiculous demands of traitors like CAIR etc? We need to set laws that Muslims need to accept if they want to live here. And don't give me that baby race crap. If we refused to allow traitorous rantings in the mosques - in three generations we'd all get along just fine.
#4 I think the President tactfully noted the solution. If Muslims honestly looked at what the Koran teaches, most would be horrified. They are only now publishing the Koran in Urdu, if they can even read. The commonality of the 3 Great Faiths is they are all descended from Abraham, and are to treat one another as brothers, created equally in the eyes of God. There is to be no partiality, neither to the rich nor the poor, but all are to be treated equally with respect. As simple as it is, those who consider themselves superior(Islamist males) to others have great difficulty accepting his premise, let alone the real solution to the world's ills. Galatians 3:26-29 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and (spiritual) heirs according to the promise.
Posted by Danielle 2006-05-08 12:01||
#5 Danielle, you're right. They would be horrified, but they are not. Where's the outrage in the Muslim community about the countless atrocities committed in their name? 2b is also right; I agree that most Muslims want to live in peace. But that is not the crux of the matter. There is a fundamental problem between the written teachings of Islam, and a peaceful prosperous world; unless of course you happen to be Muslim. There will always be those who take those teachings literally. If I take the teachings of Christ literally, I learn to bless those who curse me, love my enemies, not to take vengeance, to live in peace with ALL men with as much that is in me, and do unto others as I would have them do unto me. If I take their teachings literally, I learn that it is the duty of all the faithful to kill the infidel. The true fundamentalist Christian is no threat to the world. In fact, he or she makes it a better place, because their central message is the love and forgiveness that can be found in Christ. The true fundamentalist Muslim, on the other hand, is indeed a threat to anyone who happens to disagree with him.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-08 13:06||
#6 Danielle, darling, Galatians refers to the equality of all those who have become followers of Jesus Christ. I know you mean well, but don't let's go there today.
I think the President is trying to reshape the view Muslims have of themselves, from Islam All-Conquering to Islam of Peace. Like our attempts in Afghanistan and Iraq, and like Mr. Goss's at the CIA, if change can't come from within, conquest will be forced from without, because we will not live with the world their extremists are working to make. Mr. Bush is not a stupid man, although he is not a good public speaker. I find it difficult to believe he actually believes that the faith of those who declared war against the West is the the Islam of Peace he speaks so highly of. But as a seduction tactic, to urge the mainstream of Islam to fight for control of its religion, yes.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-05-08 13:31||
#7 So much for "repentance."
The following are excerpts from bin Laden's speech, as posted by the reformist website Middle East Transparent on April 27, 2006. 
Freethinkers and Heretics who Defame Islam Should Be Killed
"To the entire Islamic nation...: This speech comes to further urge you and prompt you to [come to] the aid of the Prophet and punish those responsible for the vile crime being committed by some journalists from amongst the Crusaders and the apostate heretics, who have insulted the Prophet Muhammad...
"Imam Ahmad  said: 'Whoever reviles the Prophet or belittles him, be he Muslim or infidel, should be killed.' The freethinkers and heretics who defame Islam, and mock and scorn our noble Prophet - their case and the law concerning them have been clearly expounded by Imam Ibn Qayyim [Al-Jawziyya].  He made it clear that the crime committed by a freethinker is the worst of crimes, that the damage caused by his staying alive among the Muslims is of the worst kind of damage, that he is to be killed, and that his repentance is not to be accepted...
#9 heh, 49 pan, I think you nailed it. But its important to remember that a good number of the Muslims will be our partners in peace. Not separating the normal good folks from the radicals is a mistake whether we are talking about Mexican immigrants, liberals, communists, or any other ill.
We need to solve it the same way we solved slavery, racism, anti-semitism, and every other ism or ill in the world....we need to encourage or shame thegoodpeople into speaking up against injustice and evil. More often than not it is cowardly silence by the majority to speak up against hateful radicals due to the fear of being ostracized or actual physical violence that prevents these battles from being won.
It's no longer vogue to talk about good or evil - but people (no matter what their religion or belief) can usually be separated by how they balance out when it comes to good v/s evil. It has little to do with their religion - though I will say that Christianity (and other religions not including Islam) help people to go towards the sunny side rather than the darkness.
It's all old talk about good v/s evil, light v/s dark etc. But it's old talk cause that's what it boils down to.
#10 Dubya's comments are better than Clinton's - Bill said iff he were himself he wouldn't believe himself either, i.e. Don't believe Bill when he himself says he's POTUS only by elex fraud, did "not commit perjury, did I', or that the US economy was already expanding long before he entered office.
* "...freethinkers and heretics...crime committed by a freethinker is the worst of crimes...": besides indicating, AGAIN, that free thought is a crime to the Radics, does also demonstrate that the Radics are fighting for centralist, theocratic, Governmentism-centric REPRESSION, SUPPRESSION, PEONAGE, and REGRESSIONISM, etc. under the guise of despotic, Totalitarian, God-based TRADITIONALISM, CONSERVATISM, andor ULTRA-CONSERVATISM, TYRANNY IS LAISSEZ FAIRE, DEMOCRACY, AND LIBERTARIANISM, at least for the Masses.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-05-08 22:21||
#11 Either Bush is off his nut, or the German media is packing us full of shit.
Posted by Captain America 2006-05-08 23:35||