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2008-02-07 Science & Technology

A Shotgun designed to hunt Jihadi Vermin

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-02-07 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 yeah. So a 12 gauge at 50 feet?
whats it do in clearing a room?

Posted by Skidmark 2008-02-07 00:17|| 2008-02-07 00:17|| Front Page Top

#2 I love this gun! They should enter it in service asap.

Also saw a funny commericial for a mossberg 500

Posted by Mad Eye Thaling9088 2008-02-07 01:13|| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOPuEuJx1MY&feature=related]">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOPuEuJx1MY&feature=related] 2008-02-07 01:13|| Front Page Top

#3 Don't worry about if this gets into the hands of jihadis. They have enough trouble with one shot shotguns. (video)

Posted by www 2008-02-07 01:29|| 2008-02-07 01:29|| Front Page Top

#4 Even blondes can shoot off more rounds than jihadis.

Posted by www 2008-02-07 01:35|| 2008-02-07 01:35|| Front Page Top

#5 Doesn't this violate some Geneva Convention or something? I seem to recall that argument being used even against the old trench sweepers.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-02-07 01:43|| 2008-02-07 01:43|| Front Page Top

#6 LOL! I still own my Mossberg 500! Got to love shotguns.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2008-02-07 04:44|| 2008-02-07 04:44|| Front Page Top

#7 My Winchester 120 Ranger slug gun has a serious case of firepower envy.

Posted by no mo uro 2008-02-07 06:08|| 2008-02-07 06:08|| Front Page Top

#8 Guys! This looks like a killing machine! Something a Cylon would use. It's way too powerful and deadly for our military. Besides, the adaptable, flexible freedom-fighters would get them from the black market, supplied by the evil military-industrial complex.

Can't we have smart bullets?

[/liberal loon]

Bobby sez: Holy cow! I want one for Christmas!

Posted by Bobby 2008-02-07 06:22|| 2008-02-07 06:22|| Front Page Top

#9 No fully automatic mode?

Posted by gorb 2008-02-07 06:48|| 2008-02-07 06:48|| Front Page Top

#10 The devil is in the maintenance and operation. To start with, drums are notoriously easy to jam, and what happens if you get a defective round--how easy is it to clear?

Next is the weight of drums and the time it takes to load them. One thing about urban combat is that it can go on for hours and hours at times. The typical shotgunner will probably only have two drums, one in and one in reserve.

Often a special weapons guy will just have to sit still during a firefight because his weapon just isn't right. This means one less rifleman. And the enemy will adapt to fight in less than optimal circumstances for that weapon.

Snipers will intentionally target the most effective enemy weapon as well as its operator.

I'm sure that these questions are just the tip of the iceberg from those asked by experienced urban combat soldiers, of which we have plenty right now.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-07 08:56|| 2008-02-07 08:56|| Front Page Top

#11 Glenmore,

We never signed on to that supplement. :)

Doesn't stop the transnational progressives from stipulating why we should follow the lead of every little country in the world who don't contribute squat to world peace and order. Hell, it doesn't stop the tranzies from making it up like we did sign on since they've demonstrated they've never really read the Convention.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-02-07 10:05|| 2008-02-07 10:05|| Front Page Top

#12 This thing is very, very impressive. Just what's needed when going blindly thru a door. Only one problem: everything in the room is dead including bunnies. Has been my choice for home defense for years. Nothing survives a 12 gauge close up. That grenade round goes out 175 meters. Wow. Yeah, it fires auto, Gorb. Watch the video. What's great is the shock absortion enabling auto fire. If you've ever cracked off a round of 12 ga., you know you feel the recoil. Great weapon. Yeah, carrying the ammo would be difficult, but for close up encounters, I'd want one. When the ragbags view the corpses, or what's left of one, they're going to lose sphinter control ASAP.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2907 2008-02-07 10:31|| 2008-02-07 10:31|| Front Page Top

#13 I think I soiled myself watching that video!

Posted by Hupegum Big Foot8622 2008-02-07 10:36|| 2008-02-07 10:36|| Front Page Top

#14 'Moose, if this were employed in the USMC fire-team concept, the shotgunner would have another Marine carry spare drums of ammo, much like the asst saw gunner does for the actual saw-man.

Recoil can be reduced by size of shell shot implemented -you can whack jihadis then go dove hunting!

Posted by Broadhead6 2008-02-07 12:44|| 2008-02-07 12:44|| Front Page Top

#15 Iraqis are by and large scared shitless of being killed by a shotgun. In fact nothing strikes fear in the hearts of an average Iraqi like a good ole scatter gun. It's a cultural thing. They believe shotguns to be dog killing weapons, and since dogs are unclean in Islam, being shot down like a dog is the cause of much fear in their world. So this shotgun is just a bundle of joy in such a situation.

Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2008-02-07 14:00|| 2008-02-07 14:00|| Front Page Top

#16 Could also be handy against human wave assaults, ahem Egypt Israel. You know, since you all don't like my idea of flamethrowers.

Can't decide what it makes me think of - a man portable gatling gun or flak cannon.

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-02-07 15:46|| 2008-02-07 15:46|| Front Page Top

#17 I like the way it appears to be able to dig a trench...

Posted by tu3031 2008-02-07 16:21|| 2008-02-07 16:21|| Front Page Top

#18 Richard Machowicz has the best job,,, EVER.

Posted by TomAnon 2008-02-07 16:24|| 2008-02-07 16:24|| Front Page Top

#19 Broadhead6: Don't get me wrong, I have really enjoyed automatic shotguns since the South Africans came up with their gnarly brush clearer back in the 1980s. They are like a man-carried Claymore. BTW, it used about a two foot long magazine.

Loaded, the AA-12 20-round drum weighs 4.6 pounds, on top of an 11.5 pound shotgun. That will be 16 pounds for the shooter, and another 5 pounds for his loaded extra drum.

Typically, soldiers would like to mix ammo types if they can, and in urban combat the mini grenades would probably be preferred unless it was a target rich environment. Instead of humping more loaded drums, they would bring boxes of ammo and refill during the fight.

But in a "tight fight", something like a sawed off 20 gauge might be better.

During Prohibition, there was a distinct boundary between urban and rural mobs in Illinois, in that the Tommy Gun, the preferred weapon for urban fighting, was no match for the shotguns in more open, rural combat. But back in the cities, the Tommy Gun was king.

This is why urban fighting experts have to be the real arbiters of this debate.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-07 17:10|| 2008-02-07 17:10|| Front Page Top

#20 When I was in the Corps we had a BAR man and Assistant BAR man in each fire team. Guese what the BAR was heavy and it only fireed 20 rounds per mag.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-02-07 17:27|| 2008-02-07 17:27|| Front Page Top

#21 I want one first! :)

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Anonymoose But in a "tight fight", something like a sawed off 20 gauge might be better.

Downright Laughable moosey.

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During Prohibition, there was a distinct boundary between urban and rural mobs in Illinois, in that the Tommy Gun, the preferred weapon for urban fighting, was no match for the shotguns in more open, rural combat. But back in the cities, the Tommy Gun was king.

'O Jesus H Christ what the Hell does urban and rural mobs in Illinois have to do with the price of potatoes moosey.

I have to agree with GolfBravoUSMC, inspite of its weight the BAR was used quite effectively in Urban warfare and in the Jungle etc., and it was a handful for a not so strong Marine or Soldier.

Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2
Weight (Empty): 19.4 lb lbs (8.8 kg)
Weight (Loaded):
Weight of box magazine 0.44 lb
Weight of 20 30-06 rounds for box magazine ?

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AA-12 Shotgun
Weight Approximately 10.5 lbs. (unloaded)

Weight w/ loaded 8 round magazine Approximately 11.25 lbs.

Weight w/ loaded 20 round magazine Approximately 13 lbs.

Length of Barrel 18 inches

Caliber/Gage 12 gage, 2 3/4 inch only

Barrel Bore Cylinder Bore

Chamber Length 3/4 inch standard

Operation Full Automatic and Single Shot

Type of Action Full Automatic & Single Shot

Feed Detachable Drum and Box Magazines

Ammunition Capacity 8 round box, 32 round drum mag.

Type of Firing Mechanism Open Bolt

Type of Stock Pistol Grip

Rate of Fire Approximately 6 rounds per second

& 360rounds per minute
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This new shotgun has the makings of one fine TOOL to assist in the house to house urban searches like our GREAT Marines did not very long ago in Fallujah.

The rule is always to, Test Test Test the Hell out of any NEW weapon no matter how awesome it appears to be..

Posted by RD">RD 2008-02-07 23:47|| 2008-02-07 23:47|| Front Page Top

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