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2008-08-23 Home Front: Culture Wars

Illegals Returning Home - Reconquista Heartache

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Posted by Frank G 2008-08-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 GET OUT! JUST GET THE HELL OUT! YOU WEREN'T WANTED TO START WITH AND YOU'RE WANTED EVEN LESS NOW. TAKE YOUR VICIOUS CRIMINALITY AND OUT-OF-CONTROL SOCIAL COSTS WITH YOU AND DON'T EVEN THINK OF COMING BACK!

Posted by Waldemar Uneack9263 2008-08-23 00:31|| 2008-08-23 00:31|| Front Page Top

#2 "...once the immigrants arrive."

Mexicans returning to Mexico are "immigrants"?

What an F'd up whirled.

Posted by Hyper 2008-08-23 00:51|| 2008-08-23 00:51|| Front Page Top

#3 Waldemar, calm down. Thanks,

Posted by Steve White 2008-08-23 01:05|| 2008-08-23 01:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Gee, Steve, the place is called "Rantburg," isn't it? Plus, if this particular issue isn't a topic worthy of ranting about, there aren't any. Seems like I recall lots of Americans ranting quite loudly about it when the last immigration bill was being considered by Congress.

Besides, I could be channeling Joe Mendiola! AS GUAM GOES, SO GOES THE NATION! JOE '08!!!!!!

Posted by Waldemar Uneack9263 2008-08-23 01:52|| 2008-08-23 01:52|| Front Page Top

#5 Mexicans are excellent cement workers.

Posted by Gromons the Anonymous4174 2008-08-23 01:58|| 2008-08-23 01:58|| Front Page Top

#6 Some say illegal immigrants are leaving because a soft economy has led to fewer jobs, causing many laborers to seek work elsewhere. Others argue that a tough stance on immigration through law enforcement has spread fear throughout the illegal population.

Not either-or, but Both. Now build the damned fence for security reasons. Reducing illegals is just a beneficial side effect.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-23 03:04|| 2008-08-23 03:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Mexicans are excellent cement workers.

What a useless generalization. To attribute that kind of ability to a nationality is freaking stupid. More like some people out there are excellent cement workers.

Posted by gromky 2008-08-23 04:16|| 2008-08-23 04:16|| Front Page Top

#8 ...I work for an industrial galvanizing company in SC (if something needs to be dipped in molten zinc, we're your guys) and about 75% of our workforce is Mexican, working through an agency. To a man they are quiet, polite, and VERY hard working - not to mention they have no intention of going home. They've made good lives here; they ain't giving it up to go back to the corruption and crime.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2008-08-23 04:56|| 2008-08-23 04:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Mike,

I don't care about any of their other attributes; if they're here illegally, they're CRIMINALS. And, IF you're aiding and abetting that criminal behavior, say by hiring them without proper verification of citizenship, YOU'RE A CRIMINAL TOO.

It's not America's fault that Mexico is a sinkhole of crime and corruption. They managed that all on their own. And, given the opportunity, they'll do the same thing up here. Have you taken a good look at SoCal lately?

BTW, next time you're talking to one of your wonderful Mex coworkers, why don't you ask them why it's such a good idea for Mex to have draconian laws against illegal immigration (they often SHOOT people crossing their border illegally) but the U.S. enforcing its border laws is considered racist.

All foreigners that are here illegally need to be shipped back. Period. End of story.

Posted by Waldemar Uneack9263 2008-08-23 06:33|| 2008-08-23 06:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services and lower wages once the immigrants arrive.

It is racist if you complain about the problems that underpaid workers create here in our country, but such a sob story if it happens anywhere else.

Posted by Betty Grating2215 2008-08-23 06:51|| 2008-08-23 06:51|| Front Page Top

#11 75% of our workforce is Mexican

Well congratulations on working for a company that no doubt underpays 75% of its workforce. Congratulations on helping to continue a entire class of labor forced to live in the shadows without all of the protections of the law - due to their fear of being deported. I'm sure it is very profitable for all of you to keep the little brown boy down. You must be so proud.

Posted by Betty Grating2215 2008-08-23 06:56|| 2008-08-23 06:56|| Front Page Top

#12 Besides, I could be channeling Joe Mendiola! AS GUAM GOES, SO GOES THE NATION! JOE '08!!!!!!

JOE08 is something you're not, that being a deep and unconventional thinker.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-23 07:28|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-23 07:28|| Front Page Top

#13 We had a crew here putting faux stone on the house. My wife asked (in Spanish) what part of Mexico they were from. They got a little peeved. Seems they were all from Nicaragua.

All of them worked hard and were polite to her. Can't say that about every other sub we had here.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2008-08-23 07:55|| 2008-08-23 07:55|| Front Page Top

#14 I don't care if we have to hand out 2 million green cards a month to fill our cheap labor needs. If they want to work here, great. Get in line. If they are here illegally, get the fuck out and try again. Illegal is illegal. I don't care how nice or big of dickheads they are. A nation that does not control its borders and its national identity will soon no longer be a nation.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-23 08:22|| 2008-08-23 08:22|| Front Page Top

#15 The only downside is these guys are leaving for economic reasons -- ie they work. Unfortunately that leaves the layabout "refugees" and gangs ensconced and livin large in our welfare state.

Posted by regular joe 2008-08-23 08:41|| 2008-08-23 08:41|| Front Page Top

#16 They can stay in the crappy molten zinc factory, I'll go the Puerto Vallarta, its an equitable trade.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-08-23 08:56|| 2008-08-23 08:56|| Front Page Top

#17 the Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services

Man, that line is pure comedy gold!!

Posted by Swamp Blondie in the Cornfields 2008-08-23 09:16|| 2008-08-23 09:16|| Front Page Top

#18 They can stay in the crappy molten zinc factory, I'll go the Puerto Vallarta, its an equitable trade.

Aye, that's the rub. The Mexican government wants free flow of labor but they will not permit free flow of capital [except in the corrupt context]. Regardless of the tripe you see on HGTV with Americans buying homes on the beaches in Old Mexico, the national constitution is specific. No foreigners can own land within 100 miles of the ocean. So when things get sticky or iffy down there, those American yahoos are going to lose it all when their extra special dispensation paper goes up in puff in face of traditional Mexican xenophobia. Of course that's when those expatriates will want their own little Puty in DC to come and rescue them. After the Mexicans modify their own xenophobic constitution, they can come talk about the 'free flow of labor'.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-08-23 09:38|| 2008-08-23 09:38|| Front Page Top

#19 As a qualifier, I'm a "build the fence, faster!" guy, and all for deporting illegals, but once that's done, I'd like to see a well-run "bracero"-type program. But that's after we get this situation under control

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-23 10:02|| 2008-08-23 10:02|| Front Page Top

#20 #7: Mexicans are excellent cement workers.

What a useless generalization. To attribute that kind of ability to a nationality is freaking stupid. More like some people out there are excellent cement workers.

Breitling ~~Swiss Movement~~.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-08-23 10:14|| 2008-08-23 10:14|| Front Page Top

#21 It's not just the illegals who are leaving. Don't forget that green card holders must return to their country of origin to reapply when their card is due to expire. A friend of formerly temporary daughter has returned to a dusty village in Mexico with the expectation that her father's green card will not be renewed in time for her to graduate with their high school class in two years. Her father had a technical job that paid well enough for them to live in a 2,500 sq.foot house in a decent neighborhood. I'm sure there's a lot of that going around, too.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-08-23 11:09|| 2008-08-23 11:09|| Front Page Top

#22 Just a "leetle" enforcement goes a long way, doesn't it George ? Amazing! Simply flipping amazing ? Who coulda imagined it ?

Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2700 2008-08-23 11:38|| 2008-08-23 11:38|| Front Page Top

#23 The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good, especially parents who want to know what documentation they'll need to enroll their children in Mexican schools.

Am I reading this correctly? After coming to the USA illegally and without any documentation whatsoever they need papers and permission from the Mexican government to go home? Excuse me but that can't be right. Can it?

Yeah, and bigjim and P2K raised an interesting point about buying beachfront property in Mexico. If I could buy a beach house in Puerto Escondido with all the rights, benefits, security and privileges that I enjoy in this country I would stop bitching immediately and move there. Until that day all these illegals can GO BACK HOME!!!

And, Mike, it's no surprise that those guys working in you zinc factory are hardworking, polite just exemplary all-around good guys. But if they are here illegally you need to get rid of them and they need to GO BACK HOME!!!

AND JOE FOR PRESIDENT!!! because McCain doesn't get it

Posted by Abu Uluque 2008-08-23 12:25|| 2008-08-23 12:25|| Front Page Top

#24 ...Okay, just a couple of notes here: First, every last one of these guys has his green card, and got it playing by the rules - just like my grandparents did when they came here from Poland and Italy. Secondly, their pay is the same as mine, and I'm doing quite nicely. Third - and I've noticed this among expatriates from countries like South Korea and the Philippines - they don't like talking about politics to anyone except one of their own, and even THEN they keep it down. Things are bad down Mexico way (much worse than our government and media let on) and it's to the point where you have different people belonging to different factions, and you really don't know who will be reporting your comments to whom.

Gimme a break, folks. I think my rep here is such that nobody should doubt that if there was a company employing illegals and paying them less than the legal federal minimum wage, I wouldn't be working there.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2008-08-23 12:33|| 2008-08-23 12:33|| Front Page Top

#25 The illegals are here in an unregulated fashion. That is my beef. Get them out of the market, and out of our ERs. That means screenign tightly, and dislalowign them any work until/unless here legally.

I have no problem, and all fo the centra americans and mexicans I have met working with charities are hard working.

The problem is the border being wide open is a huge security risk, as are all these peopel who have not followed the process properly.

Its dangerous, and its also simply unfair.

So get them back to the proper side of the border, crack down on those that illegella employ them, and then fix the damned immigration mess.

Get rid of H-1B and other visas that make virtual slaves out of immmigrants - let them compete freely in the marketplace.

We are making entry far too easy for people we dont want to get, and entry far too hard for people we should want to get in.

So as a matter of fairness, security, and national soverignty (must control the borders and immigration), the illegals MUST go, and we must build the fence.

Attrition by enforcement does work, and is part of what causing the current exodus.

We just need to ensure they they do not com back except as we want them to.

As for those here legally, I find nearly 100% of them to be massively patriotic, appreciative of our country and the values we hold dear.

We need more like them. Legal immigrants have been the lifeblood of this country, a nation of mutts.

But we need to fence and close down the borders and coastline first - it is a matter of national security on both a military and an economic basis.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-23 13:48|| 2008-08-23 13:48|| Front Page Top

#26 And yes, Mexico is a huge mess - the elitists in the ruling class have some stupid european sense of entitlement that they feel gives them every right to hold on to control and corruption, to make laws that restrict capital to their class, and generally make it impossible for an economic ladder to exist, muchless allow people to climb it.

After all, they are the rulers, and the rest are just peasants. THat is why all the rulign parties in Mexico tend toward state ownership ofindustry - because they know that thier families will be the ones running the government and therefore in control.

Until Mexico gets its upperclass a brain change (possibly by large caliber bullets), and real democracy is put in place, they are going to continue ot have corruption, class warfare and a nearly permanent stratification that stifles real growth.

I have a feeling right now, the average Iraqi has a better potential for becoming well off and living freely in a representative democracy than does the average Mexican in Mexico. After all, unlike Mexico, Iraq has the US enforcing real democracy, cracking down on corruption, producing a truly non-partisal police force, and producing a professional army that is part of and subsurvient to the civil structure.

More than you can say for Mexico.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-23 13:55|| 2008-08-23 13:55|| Front Page Top

#27 San Francisco Amnesty City

Illegal immigrant charged with killing a San Francisco family

Gavin Newsome [POS], being a self-declared sanctuary city and recent stories about sending illegal immigrant criminals to San Bernardino.

The man charged with shooting - with an AK 47 to death Anthony Bologna, 49, and his sons, Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16, is Edwin Ramos, an El Salvador native and ~~*alleged*~~ gang member.

Associated Press
*The F'G newspaper is ~~bending WAY over backwards claiming~~ LYING about *alleged*.. Like he was a member of Mara Salvatrucha gang, known as MS-13.

The illegal scumbag [Edwin Ramos] was carrying a loaded AK-47 in his car and got a case of the ASS while driving in the USA illegally.

Not being an American he felt entitled to unloaded his AK into a Father and two sons, Anthony Bologna, 49, and his sons, Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16, AND MURDERED THEM!

There are cases like this every month...

Fucking Disgusting

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2008-08-23 14:08|| 2008-08-23 14:08|| Front Page Top

#28 All I can say is go home faster please...give limited visas w/a path to citizenship for educated foreigners that get in line the right way and want to emigrate here. A moratorium on all othere entrants. The motel is full. Get off my highways, out of my public schools and out of my ERs. I don't want to hear about press 1 for English. My ancestors ditched Gaelic & German in favor of English as fast as possible. Also, the gov't needs to make it hard for these new immigrants' distant relatives hopping a flight out of bangladesh or wherever & jumping on the system. Build a HUGE WALL, back it up w/mil assets if needed, end of story.

Posted by Hupusong Hatfield aka Broadhead6 2008-08-23 14:32|| 2008-08-23 14:32|| Front Page Top

#29 "the Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services and lower wages once the immigrants arrive."

Awwwwww - ain't that just too bad.

What goes around comes around, Señor Calderon. Deal with it.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-08-23 14:40|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-08-23 14:40|| Front Page Top

#30 Barb, so true - think about the load our social services have been under from these illegal aliens. I've heard that in California it is especially bad.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-23 16:05|| 2008-08-23 16:05|| Front Page Top

#31 Stop all of the free expected stuff and free services and we may see more returning home.

For all of society to have to pay all of the social benefits to the whole family while the one worker is here only benefiting the sole business, I sure don't like having to pick up the tab.

Posted by Jan 2008-08-23 16:06|| 2008-08-23 16:06|| Front Page Top

#32 Kozlowski

Hummmmm.....
Sounds foreign. So no to whatever you're saying.

BTW Gimme the Hunley book title so I can like buy it already.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-23 16:12|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-23 16:12|| Front Page Top

#33 .5MT -

"The Long Patrol", over at www.lulu.com.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2008-08-23 17:15|| 2008-08-23 17:15|| Front Page Top

#34 A few years ago I was offered a very well paid job from an American employer (I didn't even apply for it) that would have paid more than 15000 dollars a month.

I was tempted to move from Europe but when I started to dig into the bureaucracy and limitation of the H-1B visa I finally decided not to accept the job.

If I move to another country that wants my skills I don't want to be treated like a second class resident whose right to stay depends on the mercy of an employer.

The current system in the U.S. actually favors those who just ignore the legal proceedings and scares off highly skilled people who are actually wanted in the U.S.

Posted by Sonny Fleans7954 2008-08-23 17:22|| 2008-08-23 17:22|| Front Page Top

#35 Ya, a good point sonny, that is the case and it is stupid.

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-08-23 17:27|| 2008-08-23 17:27|| Front Page Top

#36 It sure is. But at least there is a path of sorts.

As a military wife I could not take ANY employment on the local economies at potential European postings when Mr. Lotp was active duty, other than the random opening on post.

And that was at a time when my skills were in great demand in Britain and on the continent.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-23 17:31|| 2008-08-23 17:31|| Front Page Top

#37 I'm thinking that it is really the state of the public schools that is driving them home...

"Good lord Jose, i know the money here is good, but think of our children's future..."

Posted by Abu do you love 2008-08-23 17:44|| 2008-08-23 17:44|| Front Page Top

#38 I should add that the EU has similar procedures in place for people from non EU states.

But you can come here, ask for "political asylum" and spend the next years here being fed by the state.

Burn your passport and refuse to answer which country you are from and you will be fed for life.

Posted by Sonny Fleans7954 2008-08-23 17:46|| 2008-08-23 17:46|| Front Page Top

#39 As a trailing spouse I could not take any paid employment in Germany when my civilian husband was transferred there by his American company (I'm quite certain they are not the ones who offered you a job, Sonny Fleans7954. They would have hired you properly in Europe, then transferred you as a European expat to the U.S. later.) I think that held true in Belgium when we were subsequently transferred there.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-08-23 17:48|| 2008-08-23 17:48|| Front Page Top

#40 That company had no European affiliation so I think they couldn't do that.

They went out of their way though but you know, when you give up a very well paid job and move overseas you don't want to face those restrictions.

Posted by Sonny Fleans7954 2008-08-23 17:53|| 2008-08-23 17:53|| Front Page Top

#41 Something happened here that I haven't seen anywhere else - a brother turned in his family members who were here illegally because they wouldn't work. The brother came here legally in 1976, and now owns his own business. His brother hoped he'd found a meal ticket for him and his extended family. Brother got mad, told them to 'get out, go home'. When they didn't, he called ICE.

BTW, Colorado has a HUGE illegal problem, but not much here in Colorado Springs. Seems most Latinos don't care much for snow falling in virtually any month of the year.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2008-08-23 17:55|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2008-08-23 17:55|| Front Page Top

#42 Just found out you do not need the proposed silly nicks
So Sonny Fleans7954 = Sane European from now on

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 17:56|| 2008-08-23 17:56|| Front Page Top

#43 Oh Colorado, a beautiful place. Spent some holidays here once.

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 17:58|| 2008-08-23 17:58|| Front Page Top

#44 Mr. Pruitt set up a clever nym system, Sane European. Welcome, cousin! I look forward to learning from you.

when you give up a very well paid job and move overseas you don't want to face those restrictions.

More simply, when you move overseas you don't want to face those restrictions, especially for something that might not be long term. We were promised a four-year stay in Brussels as recompense for leaving a very satisfactory situation in Frankfurt. But after only a year Mr. Wife was given a promotion back in the States, so we weren't there long enough to enjoy the country. :-(

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-08-23 18:09|| 2008-08-23 18:09|| Front Page Top

#45 Those restrictions are truly silly. It's like saying: We want your husband but your wife is not "welcome", at least not as a competitor.

Same goes for marriage. If a German marries an American woman and she moves to Germany, she is not allowed to work (I think for 4 years). Only after 4 years she will get a permanent residence permit that is independent of her marriage.

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 18:17|| 2008-08-23 18:17|| Front Page Top

#46 @tw "Welcome, cousin!"

Thank you! Are you saying there are two of a kind? :-)

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 18:18|| 2008-08-23 18:18|| Front Page Top

#47 The Germans are very protective of jobs and industry. As a frequent visitor at stateside Home Depots, during our recent stay in Germany, I enjoyed visiting the Baumarkets in Rhineland-Platz. You don't see much..."MADE IN CHINA" stuff there, which is damn good for the Germans in my opinion.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-08-23 18:31|| 2008-08-23 18:31|| Front Page Top

#48 You'll find them and some people who need to buy cheap buy them and come to regret it.

Anyone doing serious work with tools does not touch this crap.

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 18:38|| 2008-08-23 18:38|| Front Page Top

#49 Sane European, Why not come to America on vacation, stay with someone you know, find a job and disappear in the system? I say this because of the impending doom of Europe.

Posted by Chunky Slomble6021 2008-08-23 19:32|| 2008-08-23 19:32|| Front Page Top

#50 If you have a home in Shwangau or Fussen, I can work a trade for one in Georgia and an easy commute to Helen and the North Ga. Moutains.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-08-23 19:37|| 2008-08-23 19:37|| Front Page Top

#51 Chunky

No need to do that. I'm doing fine, thank you.

Besoeker

Thank you, but I'm more into cooler pastures... Montana would work for me, even Alaska

Maybe I will buy some land there for retirement

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 20:34|| 2008-08-23 20:34|| Front Page Top

#52 Btw I have nothing to do with "sane_european_old_white_guy"

Posted by Sane European 2008-08-23 20:39|| 2008-08-23 20:39|| Front Page Top

#53 Before the nick sticks and I do get confused with that other idiot who claims to be what he truly is not, I rather change my name to

European Conservative

Posted by European Conservative 2008-08-23 20:42|| 2008-08-23 20:42|| Front Page Top

#54 Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by Steve White 2008-08-23 20:47|| 2008-08-23 20:47|| Front Page Top

#55 welcome EC

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-23 20:48|| 2008-08-23 20:48|| Front Page Top

#56 I'm sticking with that one

European Conservative

and a Transatlanticist

Posted by European Conservative 2008-08-23 20:50|| 2008-08-23 20:50|| Front Page Top

#57 you woulda liked True German Ally (an old poster here, since disappeared), I think

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-23 20:51|| 2008-08-23 20:51|| Front Page Top

#58 That's a big compliment. I hope you live up to it.

Posted by Barrack 2008-08-23 21:13|| 2008-08-23 21:13|| Front Page Top

#59 I would definitely have liked that nick

Posted by European Conservative 2008-08-23 21:15|| 2008-08-23 21:15|| Front Page Top

#60 he was a helluva guy

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-23 21:17|| 2008-08-23 21:17|| Front Page Top

#61 he was a helluva guy

No kidding; 80 years old w/ 40 year old wife. We should live so long...

Posted by badanov 2008-08-23 21:19|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-23 21:19|| Front Page Top

#62 What happened to him? I just googled him and he sure must have been interesting.

Posted by European Conservative 2008-08-23 21:20|| 2008-08-23 21:20|| Front Page Top

#63 That he was. Lots of posters here miss True German Ally a great deal, as his posts almost always showed an insight into Euro thinking that was not commonly available.

I don't have a problem with immigration; I have a HUGE problem with illegal immigration. We need talented, educated, intelligent, hardworking people. We DON'T need any more uneducated, illiterate gangbangers who are going to terrorize our citizens and clog our jails.

Because it's OUR country, we get to choose who we let in. Anyone here illegally is a criminal and should be deported immediately and permanently deprived of any right to ever cross our borders again.

It's the traitors in the Democrat Party who want the open borders policy. They see in it a way to swamp the indigenous vote, which hasn't given them a majority since 1964. Those bastards are pushing us toward a Second Civil War.

Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-08-23 21:32|| 2008-08-23 21:32|| Front Page Top

#64 Jolutch - exactly true, except there are big business interests (see: Tyson Chicken, et al) who give money to both Donks and Reps, and expect returns. I also blame certain Republican interests (see: Wall Street Journal) for putting their wallets ahead of American citizen's interests. Those too, need to be exposed, and prosecuted, with higher-up white-collar assholes going to jail and losing assets

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-23 22:05|| 2008-08-23 22:05|| Front Page Top

#65 are big business interests (see: Tyson Chicken, et al) who give money to both Donks and Reps, and expect returns. I also blame certain Republican interests (see: Wall Street Journal) for putting their wallets ahead of American citizen's interests. Those too, need to be exposed, and prosecuted, with higher-up white-collar assholes going to jail and losing assets

I fully concur with this assessment. Both political parties have sold us out on this one as their confluence of interests decreed that they ignore the 80+ percent of Americans who have for three decades expressed their wish to have immigration greatly curtailed.

In this we've followed Britain. If you watched the BBC series on Enoch Powell that A5089 posted some time back, the British pols of Powell's time IN BOTH PARTIES simply decided that the topic of immigration WOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED PUBLICLY. They opened the borders, flooded the country with immigrants, and basically told the British people that if they didn't like it they were racists who could sod off somewhere else. I don't think it's coincidental that it was in those years that the British Government conclusively decided that under no circumstances should British citizens ever be allowed guns for self-defense purposes.

The same thing--ignoring the will of the people on this issue--has happened here, except we've so far fought off the attempt to take our guns. Nothing in American political history since Ronald Reagan was more cheering to me than to see the entire country rise up in anger at the proposed immigration bill in 2005.

All the stars were aligned to insure its passing; the POTUS, the Dem majority in House and Senate, Kennedy, McCain, the MSM, in short, every powerful force in DC was behind this bill.
I'd never seen a full-court press like that on any previous issue. The elites wanted that one badly and they pulled out all the stops to get it.

The only group not in accord was THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. They understood what was happening and knew damned well it would be bad for them. When THE AMERICAN PEOPLE stood up and reminded those bastards who they work for, the elites folded like a cheap suit.

I've often despaired of the intelligence of the American electorate but that vast outpouring of concern on an issue of supreme importance truly buoyed my hopes for the country. It may take a lot to get Americans to pay attention (Fred's A SHATTERED NATION LONGS TO CARE ABOUT STUPID BULLSHIT AGAIN graphic couldn't be more apt), but when the chips are down we WILL pay attention, and we'll get it right.

I think that episode taught the powers that be a real lesson. The important question is how long the effect will last.

Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-08-23 23:20|| 2008-08-23 23:20|| Front Page Top

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