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2011-08-01 India-Pakistan
Getting Bin Laden: What happened that night in Abbottabad.
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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-08-01 10:44|| || Front Page|| [10 views ]  Top

#1 Soungs Like a semi-organized Cluster fuck, BUT they got it done.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2011-08-01 11:14||   2011-08-01 11:14|| Front Page Top

#2 Of course, The New Yorker didn't want to give Bush any credit so they carefully danced around how they found out who the courier was...which was the key to the entire thing. If it were not for waterboarding KSM, we would never have known who the courier was. We all know ole George would have done the same thing.

I am impressed by how serious Bambi was about killing OBL.
Posted by Bill Clinton 2011-08-01 11:46||   2011-08-01 11:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Quite a read.
Posted by tu3031 2011-08-01 11:46||   2011-08-01 11:46|| Front Page Top

#4 I am impressed by how serious Bambi was about killing OBL.

By killing OBL, I believe 'The One®'s' rationale is that NOW we can reduce military funding without recourse from the masses. No more need for those nasty military weapons and personnel as the 'goal has been won'.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2011-08-01 12:24||   2011-08-01 12:24|| Front Page Top

#5 Obama returned to the White House at two o’clock, after playing nine holes of golf at Andrews Air Force Base.

Very serious!
Posted by Willy 2011-08-01 12:54||   2011-08-01 12:54|| Front Page Top

#6 The briefing lasted about thirty-five minutes. Obama wanted to know how Ahmed had kept locals at bay; he also inquired about the fallen Black Hawk and whether above-average temperatures in Abbottabad had contributed to the crash.

That was Gore's first question, also.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-08-01 13:07||   2011-08-01 13:07|| Front Page Top

#7 Yeah, I caught the golf line. At the end, there's this -
Obama presented the team with a Presidential Unit Citation and said, “Our intelligence professionals did some amazing work. I had fifty-fifty confidence that bin Laden was there, but I had one-hundred-per-cent confidence in you guys. You are, literally, the finest small-fighting force that has ever existed in the world.”

Even with a teleprompter, that's good. Obvious, sure, but good.
Posted by Bobby 2011-08-01 13:27||   2011-08-01 13:27|| Front Page Top

#8 The high walls of the compound and the warm temperatures had caused the Black Hawk to descend inside its own rotor wash—a hazardous aerodynamic situation known as “settling with power.” In North Carolina, this potential problem had not become apparent, because the chain-link fencing used in rehearsals had allowed air to flow freely.

Who's the dumbass responsible for that?
Posted by Freebody 2011-08-01 14:11||   2011-08-01 14:11|| Front Page Top

#9 Who's the dumbass responsible for that?

I surmise using the chain link fence vice building a solid wall was based on a combination of expediency and security issues. No doubt it will be added to 'lessons learned'.
Posted by Pappy 2011-08-01 14:24||   2011-08-01 14:24|| Front Page Top

#10 It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents--except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in Abbottabad that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness.

Suddenly, two men with guns entered the room. A shot rang out. A door slammed. The maid screamed. A pirate ship appeared on the horizon. The storm broke in all its fury! Then the dam broke! The cavalry rode to the rescue, but they were a little too wet!

The volcano erupted! and threw lava over everything in sight! The price of foodstuffs skyrocketed! There was nothing for the Scarlet Pumpernickel to do but blow his brains out, which he did.
Posted by Anonymoose 2011-08-01 15:30||   2011-08-01 15:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Per playing Golf - that might have been part of a 'show' that nothing special is happening re: the press and media. The Golf game had probably been scheduled [days?] in advance and to suddenly change the schedule might have alerted someone that something was up.

As much as I would like to nail Obumbles on something - I don't think this is it.

And moose - you forgot about Women and Minorities been most effected :).
Posted by CrazyFool 2011-08-01 16:43||   2011-08-01 16:43|| Front Page Top

#12 Settling with power can occur from a number of issues. Landing multiple aircraft inside a walled compound causes pretty substantial issues to flight. The pilots that flew this are all experts at landing in confined areas like that. But once you add all the other contributing factors, like knowing your going in on Bin Laden, a minor miscalculation can be critical. I'm not sure why everyone is so focused on the aircraft. No one was killed, the mission went well. Equipment is there to be used and if needed destroyed in the mission.
Posted by 49 Pan 2011-08-01 17:06||   2011-08-01 17:06|| Front Page Top

#13 Given the history at Desert One, the helicopter snafu the helicopter crash is hardly a minor miscalculation. For an operation of this importance and risk, use of chain link fence for whatever reason in the target mock-up was a potentially tragic error that was only mitigated by the skill and courage of that helicopter pilot.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-08-01 17:32||   2011-08-01 17:32|| Front Page Top

#14 We are 100 generations away from deset one. Desert one was the genisis for these type units. When conventional forces try to execute complex missions outside their training profile events like desert one take place. NS, I'm not trying to downplay the event, more important than the crash was the loss of classified technology. These guys put them in hard quiet often, lets look at history. The unit lost a couple aircraft, a black Hawk and chinook during Grenada, no one really cared. We lost a number of aircraft during Panama, again silence. a couple in Somalia, the mission was botched, and the aircraft losses were not the issue but the lack of command and control during the fight that caused all the losses. I cant remember how many we lost during Desert storm and OIF. Now we are in Afghanistan. Two chinooks and a black hawk come to mind right off the top. And of course the chinook in the Phillippines all from the same group. These boys fly into spots no other aviators would even try. To bame it on a fence would be the easy answer to get some reporter off their back or something the reporter might say to stir things up. All in all, a good hit where only the bad guys died. Aircraft are expendable and I'm certain the fence in training had little to do with the crash. The pilots certainly saw photos of the compound and saw the wall. You are certainly right that those pilots are the best in the world, their cargo, navy Seals, are some pretty important folks!
Posted by 49 Pan 2011-08-01 18:38||   2011-08-01 18:38|| Front Page Top

#15 Good read.
Posted by Unaviling Hitler3399 2011-08-01 20:32||   2011-08-01 20:32|| Front Page Top

#16 Osama had times already made it clear that he preferred death to being captured alive.

IMO the Bammer, etal. made a mistake in not bringing back Osama's body to the US [or other secure neutral SIte = City, e.g. London or Brussels] for independent verification, analysis, + ultimately display before the Amer people. - THE US INCURRED RADICAL ISLAM'S WRATH = DESIRE FOR REVENGE ANYWAY ONCE THE FINAL DECISION WAS MADE TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE OSAMA'S DEATH - IMO, THE US = US-ALLIES HUNTING OSAMA GAINED OR LOST NOTHING BY BRINGING HIS BODY BACK TO THE US OR NEUTRAL.

As macabre as it may be to many Amers in 2011, ABBOTTABAD = HUEY LONG + JFK + RFK + MLK + MALCOLM X, ETC. ASSASSINATIONS = ASKS MUCH MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERED, wid various pertinent critical Conpiracy Theories lasting just as long.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-08-01 22:15||   2011-08-01 22:15|| Front Page Top

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