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Thanks to all the veterans on Veterans Day!
Thanks to all the veterans and to those veterans here on Rantburg. Thank you very much for your service and all of your sacrifices while serving our great country. You are true patriots. Thanks to veterans' families as well because they also share in the sacrifices.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/11/2019 11:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [354 views] Top|| File under:

#1  thank you!!!
Posted by: 746 || 11/11/2019 13:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Well said, JohnQC.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/11/2019 13:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Totally agree. Thank you, veterans!!!!!
Posted by: Tom || 11/11/2019 14:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Y'all are welcome, besides I go to play with airplanes for all thise years. And I'd do it again.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 11/11/2019 14:32 Comments || Top||

#5  They serve who wear uniforms. Or iron them.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 11/11/2019 15:45 Comments || Top||

#6  I never found any ventilation ducts big enough to crawl thru on any of the subs I served on. That doesn't mean I stopped looking. Heh!
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 11/11/2019 21:28 Comments || Top||

-Lurid Crime Tales-
Fiona Hill Details Relationship with Christopher Steele, Disparages Steele Dossier
[National Review] During her testimony, former National Security Council staffer Fiona Hill revealed that she had a three-year working relationship with Christopher Steele, the former British spy contracted by opposition-research firm Fusion GPS to produce the infamous Steele Dossier, but doubted the accuracy of his dossier, according to a transcript published Friday.

"He was my counterpart when I was the director, the national intelligence officer," Hill told Representative Jim Jordan (R., Ohio). "When I had to do liaison meetings with the U.K., he was the person I had to meet with." Hill said she worked directly with Steele from 2006 to 2009.

Hill’s comments confirmed a Politico profile on Hill from September 30, which described her relationship with Steele. "She had a high opinion of Steele, and thought he was very smart," a foreign-policy veteran, and one of Hill’s close friends, told Politico.

Hill confirmed that she had met with Steele during the 2016 election, which was included in the Politico story.

“That was prior to the time that I had any knowledge about the dossier,” she stated. “He was constantly trying to drum up business, and he had contacted me because he wanted to see if I could give him a contact to some other individual, who actually I don’t even recall now, who he could approach about some business issues.”

Hill also discussed Steele’s dossier in the testimony, saying that upon reading it, she had had “misgivings and concern that [Steele] could have been played,” because “the Russians would have an ax to grind against him given the job that he had previously.”

“I don’t believe it’s appropriate for him to have been hired to do this,” Hill said of Steele’s contract with Fusion GPS. “I almost fell over when I discovered that he was doing this report.”
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 05:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [233 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “He was constantly trying to drum up business...."

Apparently he was quite successful. A close friend of hers was he? Blaming the Russians does follow a familiar theme. Yes, Steele is obviously the victim. Little wonder she is no longer on the team.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 5:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Another allegedly smart person trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/11/2019 8:04 Comments || Top||

#3  "Picking up turds" comes with playing in The Shitshow. No one in the SS has clean hands.
Posted by: Lex || 11/11/2019 10:22 Comments || Top||

ABC Asks Viewers To Send In Evidence On Epstein So They Can Destroy It And Then Murder You
[Babylon Bee] NEW YORK, NY‐In a special PSA at the end of a news segment this morning, ABC News asked the station's viewers to send in any evidence on Jeffrey Epstein and his possible connections among the rich and powerful, so that they could destroy said evidence and then murder the person who sent it in.

"If you have anything that would help us uncover how deep this thing goes, please, we beg you: send it to our tipline so we can immediately bury it," one on-air personality pleaded with the audience. "It's important that we find out how many connections Epstein had among the political elite, so we can shield those elites from any damaging accusations."

ABC News has provided a form on its website for you to send in evidence on the Epstein scandal and fill in your name and address. You must accept the station's terms of service, which include allowing them to send agents to your house to scrub you from existence.

"You might think this is a bad thing, getting killed for sending us evidence---but keeping our elite friends out of jail is far more important than your personal safety," the anchor concluded. "Remember, the needs of the rich and powerful outweigh the needs of the you."
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 02:15 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [301 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Like Vanity Fair's "investigation" into Spacey?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/11/2019 3:24 Comments || Top||

#2  There is a pic on Instapundit (socks) that you gotta see.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 3:31 Comments || Top||

#3  OK, I'll admit I'm getting confused. Exactly what is the definition of satire?
Posted by: Mercutio || 11/11/2019 6:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Mercutio, I could tell it was satire when the headline said that ABC would murder you. They won't actually murder you.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 11/11/2019 7:47 Comments || Top||

#5  No? They'll just dox you so Antifa can murder you?
Posted by: Mercutio || 11/11/2019 8:09 Comments || Top||

#6  They'll murder your reputation, your livelihood, your relationships...
Posted by: Lex || 11/11/2019 10:24 Comments || Top||

Why Republicans MUST Subpoena Eric Ciaramella
[The Federalist] Adam Schiff acted as everyone with a pulse believed he would. Late on Saturday he deep-sixed the rights of the accused. He trampled on the right of one to face their accuser. He hacksawed the fundamental rights of fairness, and again portrayed himself as some sort of omniscient being with final say.

So it was just Adam Schiff being himself.

The embarrassingly laughable ego-maniac that started this #fauxpeachment farce to begin with.

In releasing the letter to the ranking member of the House intel Committee he alerted the world that he would "disallow" witnesses such as Hunter Biden (you know, the guy named in the phone call at the center of this proceeding) and the "anonymous whistleblower" (the guy Schiff coordinated with to launch this circus).

There is zero reason to deny the minority party access to either witness. For if everything that Schiff is doing is on the up and up such testimony would add to the "transparent case," The case being that the president committed such heinously criminal acts that violate the conscience of the people who elected him that the only remedy remaining is to regretfully remove him from office.

Hearing from the witnesses‐if the case was legitimate‐would bolster majority party claims and truly set in play a test in the Senate for a Constitutional crisis of duty.

Of course the monkey-grinder dance routine from Schiff is perhaps the least legitimate undertaking in the people’s House in perhaps the history of the nation.

No one believes it’s serious.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 01:49 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [874 views] Top|| File under:

#1  To make him cry on camera?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru PB || 11/11/2019 12:37 Comments || Top||

#2  This presupposes that Cong GOPers don't want Trump gone as much as the Dems do.
Posted by: charger || 11/11/2019 13:28 Comments || Top||

#3  They want to get reelected, charger.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 13:40 Comments || Top||

#4  They can only subpoena those Schiff allows to be subpoenaed.
And charger's right - many Repubs also want Trump gone and will use any excuse they can find, as long as it is 'good enough' to keep them from getting primaried out.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/11/2019 15:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Subpoena John Wilkes Brennan while you are at it.
Posted by: Airandee || 11/11/2019 16:25 Comments || Top||

#6  The GOP needs to investigate Biden then, and call Eric.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/11/2019 19:53 Comments || Top||

The State of California Could Have Stopped 8Chan: It Didn't
[Bellingcat] Over the course of 2019, the website “8chan” has directly inspired four acts of terrorism around the world, killing 76 people and wounding 80. The mass shootings in Christchurch, Poway, and El Paso are well-known. The mass shooting in Halle, Germany, which killed two and injured two more, received less attention. Since 8chan was dropped by its service providers and taken offline after the El Paso attack, the Halle shooter was unable to announce his killing spree there. Yet the connection was still obvious: the shooter’s attack was livestreamed, like the Christchurch shooting. He identified himself as “anon”, a general term for chan users.

The most direct connection between the Halle shooter and 8chan was hidden in the killer’s manifesto, in a joking reference he made to someone named Mark Mann. The shooter claimed Mann helped fund the attack. There is no evidence of this. But Mark Mann is an employee of NT Technology, an internet service provider owned by Jim Watkins, who also owns 8chan. Mann is Jewish, and the Halle shooter’s reference to him was almost certainly a cruel joke. The fact that Mann was referenced at all suggests the shooter was deeply familiar with the infamous image board.

8chan’s ability to continue inspiring attacks after its dissolution is disturbing. More worrying still is the fact that, over the last several months, Jim Watkins has waged a slow, grinding battle to bring the site back online. A number of volunteers, including 8chan’s former founder and the co-author of this article, Fredrick Brennan, have fought tooth and nail to stop him. But early in November the site, rebranded as “8kun”, came back online.

As I write this, 8kun has gone up and down for the past several days. It was dropped from its most recent host, a Russian ISP located two hours from North Korea, on November 3, 2019. It will come back online. If not via the normal web, than through peer-to-peer means like Tor. There was, however, a point at which the resurrection of 8chan could’ve been stopped — perhaps even forever. This is the story of why that did not happen.

A discerning reader might ask: if the Halle shooting happened while 8chan was offline, does it really matter if it comes back up again? Will keeping it down reduce the number of shootings it helps to spawn?

There is no certain answer here, but there is evidence to suggest that yes, keeping 8chan offline is better for public safety. While the Halle shooting happened with 8chan offline, the shooter had presumably been a regular user of the image board for quite some time. It is reasonable to assume he was radicalized there. Since he went out of his way to copy several of the Christchurch shooter’s tactics, we can assume that manifesto had a significant impact on him.

In the wake of the Christchurch and Poway shootings, anons went out of their way to declare the killers “saints” and share their manifestos to every corner of the Internet. The Christchurch manifesto was even printed and sold on the streets of Ukraine. With 8chan down, there has been no similar concerted effort to spread the Halle shooter’s manifesto, nor the home-built firearm instructions he sought to make viral. 8chan’s /pol board was unique within the fascist media ecosystem; no comparable community of a similar size exists.

Outside of /pol, 8chan was also the host of the Q Research Board. It was the only place where the mysterious individual(s) known as “Q” could post and confirm his identity to his followers. With 8chan down, there were no Q drops for three months. During the brief time when “8kun” was online and functional, Q made four new drops, breathing life into the dangerous cult that exists around the conspiracy theories Q pushes. Qanon has already inspired a murder and a number of non-lethal attacks, including one on the Hoover Dam. In August of 2019, the FBI warned that conspiracy theories like Qanon encourage, “…the targeting of specific people, places and organizations, thereby increasing the risk of extremist violence against such targets.”

A number of journalists and activists, including me, have fought to keep 8chan in its grave. No one has put in more work than Fredrick Brennan. Since he is the man who founded and coded the website back in 2013, this is probably appropriate. The public face of this fight has been a social media campaign to name and shame the companies hosting and providing registration services to 8chan. This stopped the site from coming back online, but as long as Jim Watkins and his businesses own the servers 8chan’s data was stored on, they can continue their efforts to bring the site back, perhaps indefinitely.

Reporting by Mashable on August 5, 2019 identified Centauri Communications as the company that provided internet access to 8chan’s physical servers. In early September, 2019, Fredrick Brennan verified that Centauri’s servers were the second to last step on the traceroute for N.T. Technology, Jim Watkins’s company. Without Centauri, his business would not be online.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/11/2019 07:41 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [352 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Blaming Q for terrorist attacks. Rich.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/11/2019 12:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Benghazi
Posted by: g(r)omgoru PB || 11/11/2019 12:35 Comments || Top||

#3  “8chan” has directly inspired four acts of terrorism around the world, killing 76 people

Utter Bull Schiff.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/11/2019 15:26 Comments || Top||

The Grand Turk
Turkey in a "Great predicament" after Baghdadi
[NPASYRIA] The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
...the occupiers of Greek Asia Minor...
has faced great criticism after the death of the leader of the Islamic State
...formerly ISIS
...embracing their inner Islamic Brute...
Continued on Page 49
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Home Front: Politix
Don't Laugh Too Hard At Bloomberg Or He Might Not Run
Kurt Schlichter
Name the Democrat who is super-excited to have Michael Bloomberg barge into the Dem primaries like some nutty ex-girlfriend who gave you crabs popping in at your wedding. Where is the groundswell of support behind this pint-sized presidential aspirant? Perhaps the Democratic consultants who didn’t sign up with one of the other goofy candidates are happy. The micro-zillionaire may not have charisma or a vision or actual human support, but he’s got endless bucks to squander on electoral parasites.

So, those jerks will love him getting in. And so will us Republicans ‐ Trump already has a nickname laid upon the numismatic gnome, "Little Michael."

Real talk: the guy is delusional. Can you hear the excitement about the Verne Troyer of American politics bubbling over in the Midwest where this election’s going to be won?"

"Hey Lou, good news. That Bloomberg guy is in the race. I’ve been lookin’ for a miniature Manhattan finance snob who wants to ban Cokes, take our deer rifles, and who makes the New York Times happy."

"Yeah Phil, I’m sure getting tired of all this great economic good news and my kids not coming home in boxes from Whocaresistan."

"We need a guy who’s thinks he’s smarter and better than us and isn’t afraid to tell us how to live our lives!"
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 03:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [228 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer, a couple of delusional billionaires, detached from reality. Kinda sad, really.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/11/2019 11:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Left coast and right coast billionaires unite to spend money on virtue signally ads to make themselves feel more important than all the folks between the coasts that won’t vote for them.
Posted by: Airandee || 11/11/2019 16:18 Comments || Top||

The Sad, Sad State Of Virginia
[Townhall] Ever since its citizens liked Ike in ’52 (other than one brief hiccup in 1964 when Johnson trounced Goldwater almost everywhere), the Commonwealth of Virginia had voted reliably Republican, until 2008. That year, in a wave election, Democrat Barack Obama won several states Republicans typically win, like Florida, North Carolina and Arizona. One could have been forgiven, then, for thinking Virginia would come back to the fold after the hipness wore off and the cold, hard reality of quasi-socialist governance became all-too-real. After all, this is Old Dominion we’re talking about, the land of Monticello and Williamsburg, of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and more prominent founding Americans than anywhere else. From Nathaniel Bacon to George Mason to Patrick Henry and countless more, freedom and resistance to tyranny have been an indelible part of that great state’s heritage.

But sadly, the blue never wore off. It only grew deeper and more dominant, until last week, when the tiniest tint of red faded into the darkness like the last sunset of a dying man, never to return.

That’s right, folks. With a Democratic governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, both United States senators, seven of 11 representatives, and now both State houses, the Commonwealth of Virginia is now officially a blue state on par with the socialistic dystopias of California, New York, and New England. It’s been a long time coming, albeit a slow, gradual march to the abyss, but the land of the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and "sic semper tyrannis" has now become the land of the snowflakes and social justice warriors.

Which leaves many wondering, how on earth did this happen? Fox News host Laura Ingraham’s Wednesday night analysis may have gotten the attention of Media Matters, but that doesn’t mean it’s any less true. To Ingraham, the "road to Democratic dominance" in the formerly right-of-center state was paved with demographic changes that began taking place long before Trump’s 2015 trip down that New York City escalator.

"Virginia's foreign-born population nearly doubled from 2000 and 2017," said Ingraham, "and these immigrants are mostly concentrated in Northern Virginia. Fairfax County, Loudoun County, Prince William County, outside of D.C., and they are altering the demographic makeup of the state - and, as The Washington Post and others have pointed out, the electorate."
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#1  Listing of the 30 Food Stamp offices, Herdon, VA. and vicinity
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 2:50 Comments || Top||

#2  I think it's wonderful that the people who will need to be starved out first when the SHTF are all congregating in one place with their backs to the sea.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/11/2019 8:06 Comments || Top||

#3  It's disgusting
Posted by: newc || 11/11/2019 14:12 Comments || Top||

Nikki Haley claims top aides tried to recruit her to 'save the country' by undermining Trump
[Houston Chronicle] NEW YORK - Two of President Donald Trump's senior advisers undermined and ignored him in what they claimed was an effort to "save the country," former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley claims in a new memoir.

Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly sought to recruit her to work around and subvert Trump, but she refused, Haley writes in a new book, "With All Due Respect," which also describes Tillerson as "exhausting" and imperious and Kelly as suspicious of her access to Trump.

"Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren't being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country," Haley wrote.

"It was their decisions, not the president's, that were in the best interests of America, they said. The president didn't know what he was doing," Haley wrote of the views the two men held.

Tillerson also told her that people would die if Trump was unchecked, Haley wrote.

Tillerson did not respond to a request for comment. Kelly declined to comment in detail, but said that if providing the president "with the best and most open, legal and ethical staffing advice from across the (government) so he could make an informed decision is 'working against Trump,' then guilty as charged."

In the book, which was obtained by The Washington Post ahead of its release Tuesday, Haley offers only glancing critiques of her former boss, saying she and others who worked for Trump had an obligation to carry out his wishes since he was the one elected by voters.

The former South Carolina governor, widely viewed by Republicans as a top potential presidential candidate, has repeatedly sought to minimize differences with Trump while distancing herself from his excesses. Haley, 47, writes that she backed most of the foreign policy decisions by Trump that others tried to block or slow down, including withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord and the relocation of the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

In a New York interview with The Post coinciding with the book release, Haley also dismissed efforts by House Democrats to impeach Trump. She said she opposes Trump's efforts to seek foreign help for political investigations in a call with Ukraine's president, but that the actions are not impeachable.
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NY Times: ‘Tidal Wave' of Mass Immigration Hands Virginia to Democrats
[Breitbart] A "tidal wave" of mass immigration has "tilt(ed) the field toward the Democrats" in the state of Virginia, the New York Times admits.

Last week, Democrats took control of Virginia’s House of Delegates and the State Senate. Now, the Democrats hold power over the state’s legislature, the governor’s seat and the lieutenant governor’s seat ‐ the first time since 1993 that this has occurred.

The New York Times now admits that four to five decades of mass immigration ‐ where about 1.2 million legal immigrants are admitted to the United States every year ‐ has shifted Virginia into a blue state:

Not long ago, this rolling green stretch of Northern Virginia was farmland. Most people who could vote had grown up here. And when they did, they usually chose Republicans.

The fields of Loudoun County are disappearing. In their place is row upon row of cookie-cutter townhouses, clipped lawns and cul-de-sacs ‐ a suburban landscape for as far as the eye can see. Unlike three decades ago, the residents are often from other places, like India and Korea. And when they vote, it is often for Democrats.

"It’s a totally different world," said Charles Poland, 85, a retired history professor whose family has lived in Loudoun County for four generations. His family farm is now dotted with subdivisions filled with four and five-bedroom homes that sell for $750,000. The family legacy is a road named Poland. "If my parents came back today, they wouldn’t recognize the place. The changes came like a tidal wave."

As Breitbart News analyzed, Virginia’s foreign-born population has boomed over the last few decades. In 1990, Virginia was home to less than 312,000 foreign-born residents. Today, there are close to 1.1 million, almost four times what the population was three decades before.

In 2019, 1-in-10 Virginia residents are foreign-born. In 1990, only about 1-in-28 residents were born outside the U.S.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [302 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "America is just an idea".
Posted by: charger || 11/11/2019 0:59 Comments || Top||

#2  California on the Potomac.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 2:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Democratic voters are like locusts - they eat one place bare, then migrate?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 3:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Not much of a tidal wave as a surrender of one party not to field candidates in numerous districts.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/11/2019 6:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Yep. Locust effect in all its glory.
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/11/2019 8:45 Comments || Top||

#6  The lesson has been painfully clear in California for a long time but I guess some people are slow learners.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/11/2019 11:12 Comments || Top||

#7  ‘Go back to California’: Wave of newcomers fuels backlash in Boise
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 15:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Government employees are like a virus.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/11/2019 17:18 Comments || Top||

It's In The Lebanese President's Hands, Literally
[Bellingcat] What betrayed all the efforts at hiding the president’s inability to deliver an unedited ten-minute-and-forty-two-seconds speech was the president himself. More specifically, his hands.

While he is sitting behind his desk, the location of his hands and fingers around the desk pad varies within a split second almost every time the camera cuts to a new angle, and without him making that transitional movement.

This is an impossible scenario for a single take, and instead suggests heavy editing: splicing from various takes and combining them for the best possible effort to project a continuous speech. This abrupt, unexplained change in hand location happened eight times out of ten camera changes — not counting the return to the original angle — and therefore suggests the possibility of using different versions of the recorded speech at varying intervals, ranging from nine seconds to three minutes and 42 seconds, or the need to edit out intermediate passages.
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#1  Claymation
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/11/2019 16:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Fascinating observation.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/11/2019 16:50 Comments || Top||

Terror Networks
Does leadership decapitation lead to the demise of terrorist organizations? Study sez:
[MITPressJournals] Does leadership decapitation lead to the demise of terrorist organizations? Can the United States undermine or destroy terrorist organizations such as al-Qaida by arresting or killing their leaders? What explains organizational resilience to leadership targeting? Leadership decapitation, or the killing or capturing of the leaders of terrorist organizations, has become a core feature of U.S. counterterrorism policy. Many scholars and analysts claim that it weakens terrorist organizations and reduces the threat they pose. Unsurprisingly, they saw the killing of Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011, in Abbottabad, Pakistan, as a major tactical victory for President Barack Obama and for the broader war on terrorism. Despite the success of this operation and subsequent attacks on al-Qaida leaders, decapitation is unlikely to diminish the ability of al-Qaida to continue its activities in the long run. Rather, it may have counterproductive consequences, emboldening or strengthening the organization.

Since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the United States has killed or captured many al-Qaida leaders as part of a general campaign to decapitate the organization. It has employed a variety of military operations to achieve this objective, including raids by Special Operations forces. Both bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, were killed as a result of such raids. On October 5, 2012, U.S. forces captured Abu Anas al-Libi, an al-Qaida leader, in a raid in Libya. The United States has also relied heavily on drone strikes to target al-Qaida leaders and other militants in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen.

In June 2012, Abu Yahya al-Libi, then al-Qaida’s deputy leader, was killed in Pakistan in a drone strike coordinated by the Central Intelligence Agency. Highly experienced, al-Libi served an important operational function within the organization. Scholars and policymakers saw his death as a significant blow to an already weakened al-Qaida.2 Nine months earlier, a Hellfire missile fired from a U.S. drone killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a Yemeni-American cleric linked to a number of terrorist plots in the West. On August 22, 2011, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, believed to be the organization’s second-highest leader, was reportedly killed in a drone strike in Pakistan.3 Rahman served an important communicative function between bin Laden and lower-level operatives. Ilyas Kashmiri, reputed to be a senior member of al-Qaida and the operational commander for Harakat-ul-Jihad al-Islami, was killed in a drone attack in South Waziristan on June 3, 2011.4 These examples illustrate the frequency with which the United States has targeted al-Qaida leaders and operatives over the past few years, speciªcally through the use of drone strikes.5

Despite these and other instances of successful targeting, al-Qaida remains a resilient terrorist organization. Applying a theory of organizational resilience, I examine why targeting al-Qaida’s leadership is not an effective counterterrorism strategy and, indeed, is likely counterproductive. A terrorist group’s ability to withstand attacks is a function of two factors: bureaucratization and communal support. Analyzing both when and why certain terrorist groups are able to survive leadership attacks, this article differs from existing work by providing a more nuanced lens through which to evaluate the effectiveness of counterterrorism policy.
The center of gravity of Islamic terrorism is their grievance that we occupy their countries and kill their people. Stop doing this and their grievance disappears. Attacking their leaders or footsoldiers will never, ever win the war.
The center of gravity of Islamic terrorism is that we have not surrendered and converted to their faith — that’s what their term for the non-Muslim world, Dar al-Harb, the House of War, means. There is only one way, from their perspective, for their grievance to disappear, and that is for us to become members of the Borg. But killing lots of them will discourage the jihadi faction for a while.
Posted by: Herb McCoy || 11/11/2019 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [695 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

#1  In addition to what TW said, the muslims of the world need to be stripped of their 'democratic rights', purchasing power and jobs.

If you denounce a civilization so as to plot its demise constantly, you must be denied its fruits too. Muslims are not part of the social contract.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 0:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Cut off the toes and the head will topple.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/11/2019 0:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Their leaders should be killed on general principles.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/11/2019 0:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Exactly. Even the bible shows something like that.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 0:46 Comments || Top||

#5  I meant that for #2.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 0:46 Comments || Top||

#6  They should be given a choice, like the one they give others. 'Convert to any other religion, or suffer dehumanization.'
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 0:48 Comments || Top||

#7  One is reminded of what happened to the Assassins when the Mongols came through... and the Aga Khan‘s people been delightfully peaceful ever since.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/11/2019 0:54 Comments || Top||

#8  “The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire” - Voltaire.

I get tired of people sloppily conflating "specific group 'X' " with "all copycat organizations claiming to be 'X' " and "the doctrine of organization 'X' ". It is very hard to destroy an idea, though you can convince a generation or so that following through Is a Very Bad Idea™. This is a different situation from the tenuous argument that "these groups are unkillable".
Posted by: magpie || 11/11/2019 1:08 Comments || Top||

#9  I do not remember reading about any Sturmabteilung rising from the ashes of Dresden.

The success of 'endless wars' and long-term enemy sustainment, depends upon remembering to save some yeast. As the author surmises, fighting a war via a 'Joint Personnel Effects List' (JPEL - massive wanted list) will NOT win the conflict or produce victory.

BTW, the US Army does not or did not author or prioritize the JPEL. Other folks did that.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 1:19 Comments || Top||

#10  In fact, we have several stories about the Ismailis in our archives. Here is one, showing the lasting effects of being defeated properly. Hulagu Khan destroyed the Alamut fortress of the Nizari Ismailis, popularly known as the Assassins or Hashashin, in 1256 A.D.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/11/2019 1:44 Comments || Top||

#11  In his 1995 book, Fighting Terrorism: How Democracies Can Defeat Domestic and International Terrorism., Bibi recommended cutting of their funding sources - thank you frackers.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 3:08 Comments || Top||

#12  Yes, funding decapitation (Epstein style "suicide") of terrorist style groups is probably the most effective way.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/11/2019 3:35 Comments || Top||

#13  Gee, Herb ask the Germans or Japanese. When we finally get around to fighting WAR rather than some intellectual and moral substitute, we might find out.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/11/2019 6:23 Comments || Top||

#14  until we have the stones to actually define the enemy (islam), there is no use even trying to ask the question.
Posted by: Bob Grorong1136 || 11/11/2019 7:14 Comments || Top||

#15  Does whacking one guy (and his goat-herder friends) end a movement? Of course not. No more than putting a mouse trap under the sink puts an end to all the mice in the county. But it *is* part of a program of integrated pest management. Yet another instance of "Perfect is the enemy of good".
Posted by: SteveS || 11/11/2019 8:26 Comments || Top||

#16  Once we have orbital beam weapons and when so called terrorist leader simply explodes from a healthy dose of weaponized microwave radiation, I suspect it'll be far more effective. Especially if you this while someone is leading a "Death to America" chant that's being recorded.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 11/11/2019 9:31 Comments || Top||

#17  Your optimism is good, Silentbrick. One can develop weaponry to the point that you enter the name of a person and they disappear. What will still matter the most is our level of intent.

I'm afraid we have just let idle philosophies of reformative justice fester into a condition where the enemy just has to 'sit out the fight' for a few years, but the status quo is perpetual war.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 9:40 Comments || Top||

#18  So, don't kill Hitler because the Nazis will only get more radicalized? Yeah, no.
Posted by: Iblis || 11/11/2019 11:20 Comments || Top||

#19  We've tried killing them for 18 years. It doesn't work. If it was going to work, it would have worked by now. Time for a new plan.

Al-Qaeda never begun until we put US troops in the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia. Now we don't need their oil any more. Withdraw the troops and the War on Terrorism will end. Let tbe camel fuckers keep their worthless oil and stew in their own misery while we develop solar and wind.

I won't settle for an endless draw when victory is at hand.
Posted by: Herb McCoy || 11/11/2019 11:42 Comments || Top||

#20  Tough to destroy movements or even nations sometimes.

Rome had to have 3 wars with the Samnites, then 3 with the Carthaginians, then 3 with Greece.

and they used force a lot more broadly than we did against Al Q

with some terror groups the most effective tactic has been to take out the layer of innovative leadership and technical expertise but this requires constant work

Given that there are nearly a dozen Islamic terror groups it is likely that the rise of Al Q or something like that was inevitable given the rebirth of Islamic identity

a tactic the Romans used was to bribe tribes to fight other tribes and we are probably doing something like this already

Posted by: lord garth || 11/11/2019 11:54 Comments || Top||

#21  Shorter Herb: "You're gonna get raped. Lie back and enjoy it"
Posted by: Frank G || 11/11/2019 12:12 Comments || Top||

#22  Some perspective: Technically, we’ve been fighting the militantly expansionist, totalitarian faith of Islam since the 7th century A.D. The only choices are to surrender or keep fighting. There have been cases where Islam has been driven back — Spain, the southern reaches of Europe in Italy, France, and Greece — but this is a fight that will go on until either Islam has given up trying to expand or the entire world is Muslim.

Eighteen years is nothing compared to the 1300+ years this war has been going on. That’s like talking about the Michael Mann hockeystick graph of global warming without looking at the pattern since the end of the last ice age.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/11/2019 13:28 Comments || Top||

#23  To paraphrase the guy at the pic "A Muslim is either at your feet or at your throat"
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 13:39 Comments || Top||

#24  That's telling him, TW !
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 14:31 Comments || Top||

#25  There is some merit to the question and we have seen the negative results in some areas. For example when they killed Pablo he had an iron fist of control over the narco terrorist organizations. With him dead, they slid into smaller and more violent organizations that fought amongst themselves. Just because there is opportunity for this to happen when we kill someone like UBL, it does not justify letting him live. Killing UBL set AQ back years, and as TW so politely explained, this war has been in effect going on for 1300 years. Sometimes setting them back a generation or two is a good thing. The Islamic fundamentalist will never stop until every Christian is dead or enslaved, their religion mandates it. So until we kill all of Islam off, we will be at war with them. We must contain them, keep them in their own little box fighting over sand.

The bigger fight, and the one we need to get moving on, is their funding. If we cut their funding, we cut their reach and capability, thus keeping them in their sand box. We know who funded them, besides Obama and our tax dollars, and if we go after the money and stop the funding we will hold them in place. A good example of this was the IRA. American had a romantic affair with the IRA, funding jars were all over Boston bars. They took in most of their funding from America. 9/11 happened right after a string of IRA bombings at funerals. Then 9/11 hit and Americans did not have the stomach for funding an organization that attacks funerals. As well as Americans focused internal and money got tight. The point is, without the funding the IRA dried up. There is always more to every story, but the funding played a big piece of the IRA drying up. That and I'm sure they did not want it getting out that the IRA taught AQ how to do road side bombs.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/11/2019 15:11 Comments || Top||

#26  A bit of historical perspective:

The Battle of Vienna took place at Kahlenberg Mountain near Vienna on 12 September 1683 after the imperial city had been besieged by the Ottoman Empire for two months. The battle is often seen as a turning point in history, after which "the Ottoman Turks ceased to be a menace to the Christian world".

I understood Osama bin Laden picked the 09/11/2001 date to 'pick up' from the Battle of Vienna on 09/11/1683 - the day before the Muslims retreated. I'm sure he didn't like infidels on Saudi soil, but he chose to continue the battle from 1683.
Posted by: Bobby || 11/11/2019 15:17 Comments || Top||

#27  Or....the date could be a coincidence.
Posted by: Bobby || 11/11/2019 15:18 Comments || Top||

#28  with some terror groups the most effective tactic has been to take out the layer of innovative leadership and technical expertise but this requires constant work

Posted by: Skidmark || 11/11/2019 15:31 Comments || Top||

#29  Killing leaders degrades their abilities to do anything and removes the feeling of invulnerability they might get in hiding.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/11/2019 15:48 Comments || Top||

#30  Or....the date could be a coincidence.

Not a coincidence, Bobby.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/11/2019 16:19 Comments || Top||

#31  Yes, and ever since the 16th century AD the West has had a decisive advantage against Islam. Sigh. They ceased to be a threat at that time.

This study is literally saying killing them doesn't work, based on evidence. And yet here are any number of denialists contradicting what the data tells us.

The center of gravity of Islamic terrorism is their grievance that we occupy their countries and kill their people. Let's win this war, not pass it down to our grandchildren.
Posted by: Herb McCoy || 11/11/2019 16:28 Comments || Top||

#32  The center of gravity of Islamic terrorism is their grievance that we occupy their countries and kill their people

You really need to get out more.

This study is literally saying killing them doesn't work, based on evidence

No, it says that killing their leaders alone won't win. Something I think is obvious to most of us here. People get hung up on THE SOLUTION or THE CAUSE. The real world is more complicated than that.
Posted by: SteveS || 11/11/2019 17:53 Comments || Top||

How about... killing them all ?

Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 18:03 Comments || Top||

#34  Herb....I'm convince you're a bot. No sentient human could be so obtuse
Posted by: Frank G || 11/11/2019 21:16 Comments || Top||

#35  That's the 17th century, Herb. Not to be nitpicky, but... 17th century.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 23:49 Comments || Top||

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San Francisco Is Receiving A Gigantic Greta Thunberg Mural
[Hot Air] We’ve covered plenty of disturbing news coming out of the City by the Bay over the past couple of years, but I’ll confess I didn’t see this one coming. Then again, perhaps it’s the most natural fit in the world. The event in question is the soon to be completed project of painting a gigantic mural of child climate activist Greta Thunberg on the side of a San Francisco building. Exact dimensions aren’t given, but judging by the pictures it’s in the range of sixty feet high and forty feet wide. And that’s not weird at all... (The Guardian)

San Francisco, a city that prides itself on its eco-consciousness, will soon have a giant likeness of Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg gazing upon its downtown, reminding residents to respect the planet.

The Argentine muralist Andres Iglesias, who signs his art with the pseudonym Cobre, is expected to complete the project in the central Union Square neighborhood by next week, SFGate reported. Cobre also painted a revered mural of the comedian Robin Williams that has since been demolished.

"Climate change is real," Cobre told SFGate. "This girl Greta is awesome and she knows what she’s doing. I hope with this mural people will realize we have to take care of the world."

The artist is apparently somewhat famous in circles where people enjoy, er... huge murals on buildings. And now, everyone passing that neighborhood in San Francisco will have the image of the child who now apparently runs the climate alarmist movement scornfully gazing down on them. How lovely. Of course, this is the same city where they painted over a large mural of George Washington (on the 4th of July, no less) only to have this mural draw public applause. That probably should tell us something.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 01:51 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [342 views] Top|| File under:

#1  CO2 is plant-food.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/11/2019 3:25 Comments || Top||

#2  And so is Greta
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 3:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Where does she think O2 comes from? Without CO2, we wouldn't have O2!
Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 11/11/2019 3:44 Comments || Top||

#4  ^IMO, Greta is actually a Chloran in disguise.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 3:58 Comments || Top||

#5  They should include a speech bubble that says 'How dare you !'
Posted by: Dron66046 || 11/11/2019 4:10 Comments || Top||

#6  San Francisco Is Receiving A Gigantic Greta Thunberg Mural

Serves them right.
Posted by: Mercutio || 11/11/2019 6:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Spray painted. The irony.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/11/2019 8:30 Comments || Top||

#8  Sure sign that your city or neighborhood is a shithole: crap murals by untalented idiots conveying in-your-face, stupid left-wing messages
Posted by: Lex || 11/11/2019 11:35 Comments || Top||

#9  How soon can it be covered with feces and needles?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/11/2019 12:59 Comments || Top||

#10  Super-soaker guns can handle thinned latex paint; don't ask me how I know.....
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 11/11/2019 13:20 Comments || Top||

#11  Argentine muralist Andres Iglesias, who signs his art with the pseudonym Cobre

¡Che boludo! Good gig. ¿Cuánto te pagan?
Posted by: Secret Master || 11/11/2019 14:28 Comments || Top||

#12  The no-talent shithead & shit-slinging provocateur who calls himself "Banksy" has pocketed MILLIONS from his garbage that trashes neighborhoods and ruins buildings.

He's not an "artist"; he's an entrepreneur.
Posted by: Lex || 11/11/2019 22:58 Comments || Top||

UC Berkeley Instructor: Rural Americans Are ‘Bad People'
[Breitbart] An instructor at UC Berkeley argued that "rural Americans" are "bad people" who have made "bad life decisions" in a tweet that he has since deleted.

UC Berkeley instructor Jackson Kernion said that "rural Americans" are "bad people" in a tweet last week. Kernion, a graduate student studying philosophy, has taught ten courses at UC Berkeley over the past few years. The tweet, which was highlighted this week by Campus Reform, was deleted after it sparked criticism from other Twitter users.

"I unironically embrace the bashing of rural Americans. they, as a group, are bad people who have made bad life decisions. Some, I assume, are good people," Kernion wrote in the deleted tweet. "But this nostalgia for some imagined pastoral way of life is stupid and we should shame people who aren’t pro-city."

"It should be uncomfortable to live in rural America. It should be uncomfortable to not move," Kernion wrote in a follow-up tweet.

Kernion’s tweet inspired significant criticism from other Twitter users. "Thank you for raising awareness of the phenomenon that you can get a PhD in philosophy from a great school like Berkeley and still be a mediocre thinker," one user wrote. "Not surprising to be an asshole, but notable to be not that smart."
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [471 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kevin Williamson agrees.

Send in the dvadtsat'pyat'tysyachniki!!

Posted by: charger || 11/11/2019 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I was talking to one of those "rural people" that I had just paid to spend 3 hours clearing brush with a tractor on my property. He remarked about the horrors of living in a small town where they don't bother to lock their front doors or cars...
Posted by: magpie || 11/11/2019 1:19 Comments || Top||

#3  My experience with the dangers of 'clustering' (like many here) began as a teenage volunteer while carrying an M-14, and learning about patrolling.

Absolutely amazing how 'don't bunch up' became a haunting, 50+ year old mind worm. But I'm still alive this morning, at least so far.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/11/2019 1:26 Comments || Top||

#5  I believe it's possible that by not charging the value of land-title (and taxing income instead) you over concentrate people causing city like behaviour.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/11/2019 3:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe the 'Bad People' should give up farming and energy production, better to keep mother nature in its 'normal' state.

Richard Fernandez sums up the perspective -

In 1926 the French sociologist Lucien Levy-Bruhl wrote: "The primitive mind does not differentiate the supernatural from reality, but rather uses 'mystical participation' to manipulate the world. According to Levy-Bruhl, moreover, the primitive mind doesn't address contradictions." Except for the wizards we are, most of us, primitives now.

In an ironic sort of way, the more technologically advanced a society becomes the more medieval and superstitious its governance can become. Then we will truly become pre-modern, supplanting nuclear power plants with windmills and electricity with candles. Perhaps the biggest problem of the 21st century will not be income, but knowledge inequality.

In other words, its all magic to them that the wall switch turns on the lights and the store shelves fill with food.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/11/2019 6:20 Comments || Top||

#7  P2K, wasn't it Arthur C Clarke who said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"?
Today, to many people, the electricity in their houses, food at the grocery store, gasoline in the pumps, everything, is essentially magic.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 11/11/2019 8:28 Comments || Top||

#8  ..at least people around the Gulf Coast know when the winds blow very hard, the magic disappears.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/11/2019 9:37 Comments || Top||

#9  I'll go with the following quote by a poster:

Thank you for raising awareness of the phenomenon that you can get a PhD in philosophy from a great school like Berkeley and still be a mediocre thinker. Not surprising to be an asshole, but notable to be not that smart.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/11/2019 9:43 Comments || Top||

#10  It was actually Isaac Asimov in the Foundation series who coined the phrase.
Posted by: Alistaire Untervehr8459 || 11/11/2019 10:48 Comments || Top||

#11  Wizard of Oz: Why, anybody can have a brain. That's a very mediocre commodity. Every pusillanimous creature that crawls on the Earth or slinks through slimy seas has a brain. Back where I come from, we have universities, seats of great learning, where men go to become great thinkers. And when they come out, they think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have. But they have one thing you haven't got: a diploma.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/11/2019 11:17 Comments || Top||

#12  They consider Americans as The Other. They hate our guts.

Way to punch down! Speak truth to the powerless!
Posted by: Herb McCoy || 11/11/2019 11:46 Comments || Top||

#13  "the horrors of living in a small town where they don't bother to lock their front doors or cars... " yeah it really does suck to not have to worry about being ripped off all the time
Posted by: 746 || 11/11/2019 13:17 Comments || Top||

#15  As a rural American myself, I don't really care what a grad student in San Francisco thinks of me. Have fun grading all those papers Jackson!
Posted by: Secret Master || 11/11/2019 13:49 Comments || Top||

#16  For progressive minds, the hive is always the best solution for power and control.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 11/11/2019 14:33 Comments || Top||

#17  Another future Starbuck's employee when the student loans run out.
Posted by: Speatle Tojo5556 || 11/11/2019 15:08 Comments || Top||

#18  ^State department.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/11/2019 15:14 Comments || Top||

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