From MEMRI:The turning in of Al-Omari was mediated by the extremist Wahhabi cleric Sheikh Safar Al-Hawali, who currently serves as a mediator between wanted terrorists and Saudi authorities. Al-Hawali described to the Saudi government daily Al-Watan the process of turning Al-Omari in. He said that he met Al-Omari in his home in Jeddah, where they had dinner and discussed Al-Omari's demands in return for turning himself in. Those demands were described by Al-Hawali as "simple demands" which the Ministry of Interior can not reject. During the meeting, Al-Omari confessed to Al-Hawali that he had "planned to carry out an operation that would cause bloodshed and destruction, but reneged after he was convinced it wouldn't bring any good, and that such acts are forbidden."
Well, those against the Master Race, anyway.
After the meeting, Al-Hawali accompanied Al-Omari to the home of Prince Muhammad Bin Naif Bin Abd Al-Aziz, who is the son of Interior Minister Prince Naif, for whom he also serves as assistant for security affairs, holding the title of Minister. According to Al-Hawali, the minister prepared a "great human" reception for Al-Omari, and "blessed him and praised him for his courageous stand to surrender himself shortly after the amnesty was declared."
"The prodigal son returns, go kill a fatted infidel!"
Al-Hawali noted during the two hour meeting that "Prince Muhammad Bin Naif gave the wanted terrorist Othman Al-Omari the possibility of choosing which prison he wishes to remain in until the end of his interrogation whether in Riyadh, Jeddah, or in the Al-Namas region [in which he lives] in order to be close to his family." Al-Hawali described this proposal as "clear proof that Prince Muhammad Bin Naif understands the feelings of the wanted, and is determined to secure their tranquility." Al-Omari chose to stay in one of Jeddah's prisons. Al-Hawali also told the daily that "Prince Muhammad Bin Naif stressed to Al-Omari that he would be well-treated throughout his interrogation and trial, and that the state pledges to grant his family protection, and to support it financially and morally, like the families of the other wanted men, whom [the families] are not to blame for what happened."
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Sounds like Al-Omari got to skip the perp walk too.
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Allee, allee, allee innnn freeeee! Literally. Perfectly Saudi, if Omari's from a connected familyclantribe (that's one word, heh). If he's a peasant or Bedu, off with his head!
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Was it Fred who said.... "Everyman must plan and plan
to protect his clan
as best he can"?
I don't see how these folks survive in the northern hemisphere.
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If this 'Prince' has any assets in the US they should be seized and donated to the Israeli military.
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where is my father i ask the saudia goverment,how much more of this bullshit does everyone expect me and my family to go through.i have not put my father to rest yet,and i still got to rely on the media for information.if this is true about othman al-omari.they are sick and dont understand.paul m johnson
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A Yemeni court on Wednesday granted the U.S. government the right to join the prosecution team in the trial of six men accused of plotting the 2000 attack on the American destroyer USS Cole. The Oct. 12, 2000, attack killed 17 American sailors when two suicide bombers rammed an explosives-laden boat into the Cole as it refueled in the southern Yemeni port city of Aden. The attack was blamed on Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network. The court approved a request by the prosecution to allow the legal attache at the U.S. Embassy in San'a to join its team and represent the families of the sailors killed in the attack. The U.S. Embassy refused to comment, citing security reasons. The six accused have been charged with belonging to al-Qaida, forming an armed gang with the purpose of carrying out crimes against the state, resisting authorities and forging documents. But the alleged mastermind of the attack, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who is one of the six accused, is being tried in absentia. Al-Nashiri is in U.S. custody at an undisclosed place. Yemeni officials have said they have asked the United States to hand him over.
Sure, soon as we've squeezed the toothpaste tube empty.
In Wednesday' session, one witness identified al-Nashiri from a photograph as the man who rented a crane to lower the suicide bombers' boat into the sea. Another witness said al-Nashiri was the man who rented a house where the boat was hidden and rigged for the attack. If convicted, the men could be sentenced to death, though such a punishment is considered unlikely because the defendants are not accused of being the actual bombers. Yemen had long tolerated Muslim extremists. But after the Sept. 11 attacks, its government cracked down on militant groups and aligned itself with the U.S.-led war on terror. It has received U.S. military aid, such as anti-terror training for its soldiers.
And a US gimlet eye which we keep trained on them.
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Spanish police arrested a Lebanese man late last night at his home in the Madrid district of Carabanchel, El Mundo reports (link in Spanish). The man, who has not been identified, was carrying false Portugese papers. Upon conducting a house search, police discovered two mobile phones, phone contracts, bank books, and several notebooks and documents. Police tie him directly to the terrorist cell responsible for the March 11 attacks in Madrid, and place him at the house where the bombs were packed into backpacks, as well as in the vicinity of the Madrid appartment building that was blown up by the terrorist itself, killing all seven and one SWAT officer. He is also connected directly to several terror suspects currently in prison awaiting charges, including the Spanish mine worker who sold the dynamite. This may turn out to be the 'missing' terrorist, whose fingerprints have been found in both vans used to transport the terrorist to the train stations, and who escaped from the scene before police stormed the appartment complex in which they were holed up. Developing.
UPDATE:El Mundo now reports that the terror suspect arrested is Semaan Gaby Eid and has Lebanese nationality (since corrected above). This brings the total of arrests made in relation to the March 11 attacks in Madrid to 19, of which 17 were arrested in Spain, and the majority of Moroccan descent.
If he's Lebanese, I would really like to know if he's Shi'a muslim, and if perhaps he has links to Hezbollah. It would disprove once more that Shi'a and Sunni 'hate' each other and would never work together.
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NEWSCHANNEL 5 confirms that the name of a South African woman taken into custody while trying to board an airplane in McAllen last week appears on an FBI watch list. A senior Homeland Security official confirmed that 48-year-old Farida Goolam Mohamed Ahmed is a "person of interest." This information follows on the heels of Rep. Solomon Ortiz (D-Texas) telling NEWSCHANNEL 5 Wednesday in Brownsville that Ahmed is "on a list of persons (investigators) wanted to talk to and possibly on a list of terrorists."
From the description, she sounds like a courier...
"She is a person of interest," Ortiz said. "Thank God for the professionalism of these people from the border patrol, the customs officials who were able to detain this lady."
I doubt she's a lady...
Investigators are trying to confirm Ahmed's identity and nationality, while attempting to determine whether she has any ties to terrorism. Government officials said that name is on an FBI watch list and that it was put on the list after it surfaced during an investigation of an overseas terrorist incident. Ahmed was in court Tuesday for a probable cause hearing on charges of illegal entry into the United States, falsifying a passport and making false statements. A judge denied her bail at her Tuesday court appearance. At last report, Ahmed was being held in a federal prison located in Willacy County.
She's now waiting for a mouthpiece to show up and announce her innocence...
From The Washington Post
Federal immigration authorities have detained a Saudi citizen who works as a computer security specialist here at the University of Washington's School of Nursing. In connection with the arrest, federal agents seized several computers and examined Internet servers at the nursing school, said an employee at the school who asked not to be identified. Majid Almassari, 34, who was born in Saudi Arabia, was detained in Seattle on July 17 on charges that he is in the country illegally, according to Lori Haley, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ....
On the morning of Almassari's detention, several federal agents arrived at his office on the fourth floor of the university's Health Sciences Building, the nursing school employee said. Agents told the staff to leave the area and then seized several computers, the employee said. .... Almassari has worked at the nursing school for about three years, said Norman G. Arkans, the university spokesman. He said Almassari's responsibilities included administration of the school's computer network, trouble-shooting problems and writing security patches. Federal authorities told the university that Almassari's detention is "related to a visa violation for drug issues that he has had," Arkans said. ....
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Drug issues, riiiight.
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One step toward cleaning these people out - deporting the visa violators - would be to design workable rules (not onerous heavy high-cost BS) and put the onus on the employers. Obviously, the violators won't come forward. Maybe something as simple as requiring the employer to make legible copies of their employees' Passport main page and the Visa page - and send it in to INS for every non-resident employee - no more than once per year or normal Visa duration. This was what one of my employers had to do when we decided to "import" an employee from Oz. She stayed, fulfilled the req's, and became a citizen.
We have to regain control over our borders and remove everyone who has no legal right to be here. Yeah, it'll be a bitch and some employers will cheat, etc. We'll get there only when we get serious about the threats, both realized and potential. Every one of these clowns is a potential sleeper just waiting to be recruited.
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.com, I suspect you are old enough to remember the PSAs that played every January reminding all resident aliens that they had to register with the government and to go to the Post Office to fill out the form.
Rather than have the burden on the employer, the burden should be on the employee or the government. These folks have SSN and I presume they are in some number grouping that indicates they are resident aliens. If they don't register by February 1, the government knows where they work from December's withholding reports. Get 'em. All the employer should have to do is open the door when the INS knocks.
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Mr Davis - Lol, I recall, vaguely, heh.
I think I started my response within a few minutes of your last and typed furiously for about 30 minutes then *poof* it was all gone and I was out of the comment screen. Gone. Happens with both IE and Foxfire. Sigh. So I went for breakfast to cool off.
Anyway, I think we've been doing what you suggest forever, already, almost. You just want a little IT magic added: integrating IRS & INS data.
I offered a simple approach which focuses on the real nexus: payroll - that's the pivot point. You don't like where the burden falls, okay, fine. Let's take a 90,000 ft look at integrating DB's from multiple agencies...
Won't happen until somebody really powerful decides it will be so. Budgets get stolen / plundered, pork to build a park for some big donor, assholes like KKKer Byrd demanding the people doing the work must do it in W.Va. and BTW we'll have to build a few more freeways to feed the facility's traffic, turf battles between Civil Service orgs - with no incentive to do otherwise, yadda3. Shit like stolen budgets seldom happen like this in the private sector because budgets are only allocated for shit you really need, strategic stuff - so it doesn't get whacked without overwhelming reasons. Gov't doesn't have the same motives or methods - as we all know so well. So important stuff gets whacked and stupid shit gets done. All the time.
Technically, I guarantee you I could write and build a prototype cross-reference between IRS, INS, and FBI (assuming their systems aren't totally insanely fucked up) in a couple of months - and spit out your INS roust lists. You can prototype almost anything that straight-forward (synching keys or creating synched keys) in a couple of months if you have everything you need at hand (doco, access to systems, etc) and know your shit. But that's not the same as integrating or sharing DB's - it's double to triple the (computer's) work to xref - not very efficient, but much easier to code as the code is external and does not interfere with existing code or data flow. To integrate would be massive. Byrd would love it - he'd make it last for 40 yrs, guaranteeing his hand-picked W Va Senate successor's entire career.
All Gov't Agency IT sucks. A very few, like the IRS can protect budget because they can demonstrate cost vs effectiveness - and "profitability" that the others can't. Most IT systems in Gov't are 10 - 15 yrs behind private sector - and 5 yrs in the IT biz is like 25 yrs in Mfging. Nothing changes so fast. They are screwed because their budgets get raided and they tread water. INS explained it very well in hearings immediately after 9/11: No Systems Upgrades in 10 YEARS. None. Zero. Why? No budget. Stolen every year. Every one.
You need 3 things, at the very least:
1) Line Item Veto restored to begin to end the payoff system
2) A Very Powerful Sponsor - God might not be able to do it alone - or off-budget funding
3) Some means of incenting the parties to cooperate and coordinate and means of punishing turfing
Or privatize the whole thing and make it semi-black -- out of the reach of the assholes like Byrd.
The SocSec System is still ticking today because it was farmed out 30+ yrs ago to EDS.
Imagine the vetting problems if you took a project with full access to IRS and FBI DB's private. The tech is not so bad, it's the Civil Service people, who are also 10 - 15 yrs behind, it's the turf queens, it's budget raiders, it's IOU and favor whores like Byrd, it's disincented coop and coord across invisible org lines...
No easy answer to give you for such as simple thing as an x-ref between INS & IRS db's. Sorry to be so windy.
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Technically, I guarantee you I could write and build a prototype cross-reference between IRS, INS, and FBI (assuming their systems aren't totally insanely fucked up)
Heh. Assuming. Heh.
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Lol, Steve! Hey, every DB's gotta have some key(s)! Although I remember a button I picked up at a computer conference (NMCC?) in 1977 in Dallas: "On a clear disk you can seek forever"
Another said: "Virtual is its own reward"
This was hysterical stuff, deeeep stuff, back then!
From IntelWire, an article by J. M. Berger.
Within hours of the Oklahoma City bombing, the federal government quietly moved Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law out of a California county jail and into administrative detention, a classification often used for "extremely dangerous" inmates. Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, an accused al Qaeda financier, was arrested near San Francisco in December 1994 on visa-related charges. He had been detained for four months at the Santa Rita jail, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.
At 7:05 p.m., Khalifa was transferred into the custody of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons FCI Dublin, in Dublin, Calif. The facility is a low-security prison for women with a special wing for male administrative detainees. .... Khalifa was kept in solitary confinement in a maximum security cell. Khalifa appeared in court on April 17, where he proclaimed his innocence of terrorist activity. At that time, Khalifa filed a motion opposing an INS attempt to deport him to Jordan, where he faced indictment on charges of assisting terrorists. ...
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Great article. Khalifa's swift deportation is baffling in light of the situation at the time.
Like the song..."we get by with a little help from our friends"ie. either an AQ operative in the INS OR Slick not wanting any messy loose ends in a "slam dunk" case against McVeigh and Nichols?
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You wait...it's going to come out sooner or later that OKC was an Islamist jihadi bombing (with Iraqi ties, too) and the first hit of AQ on America.
Clinton got a 2-fer: He didn't have to deal with Islamist terrorism and he got to blame the VRWC and "Far Right Wing Militias" which includes most of us, Rush Limbaugh, all Republicans, NRA members, ad nauseum--in short, all the usual Clintonian suspects.
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As per usual Jen is absolutely correct.
The fire of 9 11 were started by the cheap flint and dry moss of Oklahoma City. I would be looking first at anyone who took "the day off".
Thank you again for your Patriotism.
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Three Palestinian militants, including a local military leader, were killed in a conflagration of violence on Thursday which also saw the firing of two rockets at a town in southern Israel. Two of the militants were killed in the southern Gaza Strip when a device they had planted near the Jewish settlement of Netzer Serani exploded, Palestinian security sources said.
A local leader of Jihad's military outfit, the Al-Quds Brigades, was also killed in a shootout with Israeli troops in the northern West Bank, Palestinian security officials said. Zahel al Ashkar, 27, was shot dead in a field outside the village of Ilar, near the town of Tulkarem, the sources said. Dozens of jeeps had entered the area overnight where they carried out a series of arrests and searches of homes before becoming involved in the gun battle with Ashkar, who was wanted by the army in connection with a series of anti-Israeli attacks. A military spokesman confirmed the Palestinian's death, adding that he had opened fire on the troops.
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The quick reaction of two Iraqi National Guard soldiers cost them their own lives, but saved those of 250 recently. "The people who did this are against the advancement of Iraq. They are only trying to start violence and cause a nuisance," said Sgt. Ali Al-Hamdani, a spokesman for the Mahmudiyah ING. "These soldiers were very good at their duties. Their sacrifice is necessary for the security of Iraq."
More than 250 Iraqi men had gathered outside the front gates of the compound here during the morning of July 17. Many were interested in joining the newly formed Iraqi National Guard and working to rebuild their country. One terrorist saw this as the best time to strike. A taxi approached the front gates at 7:45 a.m., according to witnesses. One of the Iraqi soldiers on duty at the gate that morning was Adil Abed, a young man who was planning to be married next week. He would never see his ceremony or his bride-to-be again. Abed attempted to stop the suspicious taxi. When the driver failed to respond, Abed fired his AK-47 and the driver returned fire with a pistol, hitting Abed. The soldier's comrade Sadaam Obeeid rushed forward to help his friend when the taxi, packed with explosives, detonated. The blast sent shrapnel and debris a hundred meters in every direction killing the two soldiers, the driver and injuring many of the civilians standing near the gate. The engine block of the taxi landed 80 meters away from the blast. It landed on top of a parked car. When the confusion caused by the attack died down, the soldiers took time to reflect on what they'd lost a few days later. "We are very sad. They were our friends and now we've lost them. They were good men," said Deputy Sgt. Thaid Hadiph, an ING soldier from Mahmudiyah. "The sacrifice they made for Iraq will not be forgotten."
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Where is Lardass Moore now that the REAL minutemen are giving the ultimate sacrifice.
The Home Department of the Sindh government has warned that terrorists of a defunct religious organisation are planning attacks on mosques and imam bargahs in Karachi on Friday, reported a news channel on Thursday. According to the channel, the provincial Home Department issued a press note on Thursday saying that terrorists of a defunct religious organisation Lashkar-e-Jhangvi were planning suicide bomb attacks on the mosques and imambargahs in Karachi on Friday. "Terrorists may use briefcases, lunch-boxes and may even employ women for the attacks," the channel quoted the press note as saying.
The Sindh Home Department has asked citizens and administrations of mosques and imam bargahs to be alert, taking necessary measures to avoid such attacks. The security agencies of Karachi were also reported to have taken all possible steps to stop the attacks. Various organisations of the city also advised citizens to take measures to foil the terrorists' attacks. Commenting on the report, provincial home minister Raof Siddiqui told the channel that the government received reports from authentic sources that terrorists of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi might attack mosques and imam bargahs in Karachi on Friday. "We have taken all the necessary measures to foil the attacks. No risks will be taken in this regard. We have taken foolproof measures. God willing we shall defeat the terrorists," Mr Siddiqui told the channel. Asked if people should say the Juma prayers in mosques and imam bargahs, he said the government didn't want to spread panic in the city. "We should not doubt the intelligence and courage of our people. I am sure we will defeat the terrorists with the help of our people," he said. Mr Siddiqui said people should go to say their prayers but warned them to keep an eye open.
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St. Petersburg police are on high alert and preparing for what they say is a possible terrorist attack on the northern city involving up to 200 Chechen separatist militants, the Izvestia newspaper reports.
Three children of the Iraqi governor of Al Anbar Province were kidnapped Wednesday from their Ramadi home in a bloodless assualt by an unidentified group of insurgents. About two-dozen newly minted armed Iraqi police guarding the house gave in to the attackers without firing a shot, according to U.S. officials, who suspect an inside job. It would not be the first time in Ramadi. Several months ago, when local officials had sent American forces to another location, the Ramadi police station was attacked and all the police disarmed. Details are sketchy and evolving, but according to U.S. reports, between 15 and 80 heavily armed attackers approached the house in downtown Ramadi Wednesday. They lined the 24 police guarding the building against the wall and disarmed them at gunpoint.
The attackers took the governor's three male children but let his daughter go. They also stole approximately $38,000 and jewelry. It is not yet clear whether the kidnappers want ransom or want to exchange the children for Gov. Abel Alkareem Burgess Alzaldin. One thing is clear: The police upon whom security will ultimately rest in Ramadi failed in every way to do their jobs. They did not note the type of vehicles or their license plates and failed to notify U.S. forces or the Iraqi National Guard to back them up. In the 24 hours since the attack, they have failed to do any detective work at all, according to a U.S. report. Government officials and security forces are regularly targeted by insurgents across Iraq, with children and family members kidnapped or killed on a regular basis.
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About two-dozen newly minted armed Iraqi police guarding the house gave in to the attackers without firing a shot, according to U.S. officials, who suspect an inside job...One thing is clear: The police upon whom security will ultimately rest in Ramadi failed in every way to do their jobs. They did not note the type of vehicles or their license plates and failed to notify U.S. forces or the Iraqi National Guard to back them up. In the 24 hours since the attack, they have failed to do any detective work at all, according to a U.S. report...
Like I said before...the only good Iraqis we can trust and who are worth our sacrifices are the Iraqi Kurds. The Sunni/Shiite Iraqis are hopeless, hapless, and helpless.
Ramadi is a former Uncle Saddam stronghold city in central Iraq ie. Sunni "Baathist Party" dominated. Some things never change.
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You know the bad guys are getting desperate when they go after people's children, instead of poor hapless contract workers from Pakistan.
rex, have a little faith.
The Iraqis are bound to get tired of attacks on them by their fellow Mooslims pretty quickly.
This, plus the horrible bombing(s) yesterday of a police recruiting station are going to drive these "nice" Iraqi policemen to get religion real fast.
Now that Iraqi is sovereign and our troops are playing merely a backup role, they must come to the realization that they are in charge of their own country's security.
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They should fine, arrest, and beat these BS Ramdadi 24 police! There is no punishment, so they see nothing wrong with their impotent police work. I pray for the children.
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rex, have a little faith. The Iraqis are bound to get tired of attacks on them by their fellow Mooslims pretty quickly
No, Jen, it's you who has too much faith in "Iraqis." Based on what I have read as well as heard from friends and relatives who have traveled and worked in the ME, Arabs never trust each other. We Westerners think that Islam is a big tent umbrella unifier of Muslims and that if we can just "disappear" the Big Bad Dictator and other Arabs "freedom", all ME countries will magically become a Peaceable Kingdom. Wrong.
Arab Muslims are united against what they have been told to see as common enemies ie. Jews and infidels BUT that where Arab unity ends.
Setting aside common enemies of religious propoganda, it's the ages old tribal relationships that unify and/or divide Arabs. It's not because of people like Saddam that the ME Arab countries have not discovered penicillin or put a man on the moon or developed anything of substance since the abacus. It's because Arabs hate each other. They never get tired of conflict. They will not co-operate on any endeavour for any length of time unless it's with a trusted tribal brother, and then even that goes out the window if there's enough bribe money on the plate.
Kurds are not Arabs. They have a totally different culture and outlook.
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based on what i have heard of the Iraqi police and Iraqi national guard, there behavior is mixed. A few are good, most are typically inefficient 3rd world troops but more or less loyal, and a few are traitors. Much work has been done in the last few months, but we still have a long way to go.
The englishmen Glubb Pasha managed to take the very tribal Jordanians and turn them into a relatively efficient fighting force. Most arab countries havent managed that, cause their officers arent englishmen, but corrupt arabs associated with corrupt regimes. Thats why US and UK training is so important.
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rex, I join you in your praise of the Kurds and yes, Arabs fight each other (Sunni vs. Shiite) but I think in this case nationalism trumps everything else. (WWAS? What would Aris say? Nationalism is the root of all evil!).
The Iraqis love their country almost as much as they love their brand of Islam.
And Iranians are almost as loyal to being Persians as they are Shiites.
Iraqis know what they can expect from an Islamic government from Baathism to the mullahs in Iran to the Waahabs in Saudi Arabia.
They have their own experience of Saddam's horrors and they can look around at Iraq's neighbors and see the failures of theocratic oligarchy there, too.
What the US is trying to show Iraqis is that people of all faiths can live in a secular democracy peacefully and that is what the Al Queda killers are trying to destroy and this is the challenge that the Iraqi security forces must rise to meet.
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but I think in this case nationalism trumps everything else
I hope you are right, and I am wrong, Jen.
But on the bright side, even if the Iraqi Sunnis/Shiites don't seize the wonderful opportunity to build a strong country by acting "un-Arab-ly"...then we can always pull up GI stakes and move totally to Kurdistan. Once we are out of Sunni/Shiite sights, I guarantee you that the Iraqi Arabs will revert to what Arabs do best ie. murder each other. Can't hurt to look for a silver lining in black clouds...
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Suspected Islamic rebels decapitated a woman in Indian Kashmir and left her head hanging in a tree, police said on Thursday, adding that six other people were killed in the restive state. Police were investigating the motive for the beheading of Shameema Akhter near the town of Tral, 40km south of the Kashmiri summer capital Srinagar, a police spokesperson said.
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Their facination with beheading is uncanny. The FBI should look for AQ sleepers among the membership of the Fraternal Order of Grocery Butchers.
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At the risk of sounding like I'm from France or something, do these people ever find a way of resolving problems without killing each other? Did someone eat the last of the turkey again or take another guy's parking space? Geesh...
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This is an image I linked to in another thread (Saudi Slavery), but it fits here as well as a graphic. She was a Saudi Princess who thought she was untouchable. Recalling from memory, it was for infidelity - I could be wrong - but what else would send the Saudi Royals to this extreme on one of their own?
In Kashmir, a woman prolly doesn't have to cross nearly so many invisible lines to receive such punishment.
He said Ghailani was one of about a dozen people arrested on Tuesday when security forces raided a suspected militant hideout in the city of Gujarat, about 110 miles southeast of the capital Islamabad. Ghailani is on the FBI's "Most Wanted Terrorists" list for his alleged role in the 1998 bombings, which also said it was "offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Ahmed Ghailani." Ghailani was among seven people about whom the United States said in May it was seeking information amid fears of a possible attack in the near future. A Pakistani official said Tuesday that Pakistani security forces were holding three Africans, including a Tanzanian, suspected of being militants after a shootout last week. Another said the suspects had been trying to flee Pakistan along with their families, using fake documents, after living in neighboring Afghanistan.
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Al Arabiya satellite news channel quoted Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf as saying the suspect was arrested Sunday.
"The Pakistani president said the arrested person is Tanzanian who is married to an Uzbek woman, and who is wanted by the United States," the station said.
Al Arabiya said the suspect may be Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian who is on the FBI's most wanted "terrorists" list for his alleged role in the 1998 bombings by al Qaeda of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
Ghailani was among seven people about whom the United States said in May it was seeking information amid fears of a possible attack in the near future.
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When I saw the headline I thought the conspiracy theorists at The New Republic were right. Maybe an additional, new announcement that OBL has been nabbed will come an hour before Kerry's acceptance speech.
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I, like a lot of other people, have been reading the 9/11 commision report. It is very well put together, and seems to me to be very fair. There is quite a bit in there about the embassy bombings and the Clinton administration's inability to achieve much in response to the bombings. All those Kerry supporters who have been reading the 9/11 report will have to take note that this major achievement (the capture) occurred as a result of the Bush administration's diplomacy and relationship with Pakistan. It will be interesting to see how much play the capture gets from the major media during their convention coverage tonight.
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I mean, Kerry's convention has been all about how he is the great warrior who will protect us in the war on terror, that Bush has screwed the pooch, and JFK will get it right. If that is the theme, how can the media ignore this significant victory in the war on terror? (this question, like the last, is rhetorical; but Raj' answer is correct and advances him to the final round).
#20
Something still smells funny here. The original report was that Zarqawi was found in western Pakistan, right? Is Gujarat in western Pakistan? And 8 & 9 have good points.
Any chance both stories are true-just one story got out when it wasn't supposed to (yet)?
#22
no a report in RUSSIAN news agency said Zarqawi (NOT, repeat NOT, to be confused with Zawahiri) was caught in western IRAQ. Thats been denied by coalition forces. Ghailani WAS caught near Islamabad, in Punjab, the heart of Pakistan.
As for a black man hiding in Pakland, really. Theres been movement in the Islamic world for hundreds of years. Ive been to Jericho in the West Bank, and most of the people there look like Africans, unlike most Pals. Presumably descended from slaves. And of course people move around in the third world today, for university, madrassah, work, etc. You wouldnt stop someone automatically in Pakland just cause they looked african, i dont think. Paul?
#23
How the hell can a black African hide in Pakland?
So long as your an infidel-hating, blood-lusting, woman-beating jihadi, race doesn't matter.
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He is just a cog. The price on his head is because he's a succesful cog. I'll bet there are a few Kenyans with big smiles on their faces right now. I think it might be nice of us to turn him over to Kenya after we are through with our questioning.
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LH: Ive been to Jericho in the West Bank, and most of the people there look like Africans, unlike most Pals
Jericho is also usually peaceful and pretty much left alone by the IDF... is this part of the reason?
#26
Lh is right, there are at least hundreds of thousands of blacks in Pakistan, primarily located in Karachi. At least one community has been in what is now Pakistan back before there was a Pakistan, and they practice a religion that mixes Islam and tradition African beliefs (which doesn't go down well with the Mullahs)
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During the raid, police recovered AK-47s, handgrenades, ammunition, computers, maps and several vests containing an estimated 10kg of plastic explosives and several unknown chemical liquids in vials strapped to the devices.
It is believed that one of the South Africans was wearing an explosives vest at the time of his arrest.
Has anyone been watching the left's reaction to this? It's (pardon my French) fucking unbelievable! They're actually upset about this! Why? The TIMING!
Apparently there are days on which we're not allowed to announce the capture of terrorists.
Unbelievable. Un-be-freaking-lievable.
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#30
"Better make the beer Buds.
I'll have a Becks any way!
A U.S. air strike destroyed a building in the Iraqi city of Falluja late on Thursday, local residents said. There was no immediate word on casualties. Before the air strike, U.S. forces had battled with guerrillas on the eastern edge of the city. Several times over the past few months, U.S. forces have targeted buildings in the city that they say were being used by militants linked to Al-Qaida ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. After fierce clashes in Falluja in April that killed hundreds of Iraqis, U.S. forces withdrew from the city and handed over security to an Iraqi force. Critics say the city has become a safe haven for guerrillas and kidnappers.
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi police have arrested 270 militants, mostly from neighboring countries, in recent raids, the interim interior minister said in remarks published Thursday.
Some of the militants were Syrian and Iranian, Falah Hassan al-Naqib told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat daily.
"I can confirm that 90 percent of those who carried out suicide operations are not Iraqis," al-Naqib said. "I believe that Iraqis' noncompliance with terrorists has made them a target
#5
terrible as this sounds
Not terrible at all. You're being realistic. The only way to win a war is to disappear the enemy and the enemy's supporters. Painful deaths are good PR to potential enemy supporters to re-think their "misguided" ways.
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#6
Two words: urban renewal.
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#7
Critics say the city has become a safe haven for guerrillas and kidnappers.
Well then, ANY house leveled will kill either of those two types then. Fine with me.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, head of the group suspected of beheading two Bulgarian hostages, has reportedly been arrested in Western Iraq. Al-Zarqawi has been arrested by Iraqi police and US military close to the border with Syria, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported, citing information posted on the Internet. Zarqawi was dressed in a white T-shirt and blue jeans. Reports claim that he didn't oppose the arrest. A blood sample has been sent to Baghdad for DNA tests.
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Iâm an optimistâ¦.and an optimist I will remain!!! Even if they say he âescapedâ, I intend to wait an entire month, maybe even two⦠hoping he will be found looking extremely disheveled and confusedâ¦just like his more famous compadres.
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#7
Al-Zarqawi has been arrested by Iraqi police and US military close to the border with Syria, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported, citing information posted on the Internet.
#9
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#10
âciting information posted on the Internet.â
Ah, Liberalhawkâ¦.youâre bringing me down.
Sigh.
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#11
At this point Zarqawi isn't of the same importance he was a few months ago. There are other terrorists who can mostly replace him. Sure his capture will be big news and the Iraqis will celebrate but a day or two later another suicide bomber will strike.
The key thing here is how quickly and how reliably the Iraqi intel can get info to the US command on whereabouts of high value targets.
As was the case with Israel, you need to take out a whole lot of hvtargets plus use physical barriers plus, plus, plus in order to quell the terrorists.
LONDON (Reuters) - Pakistan has arrested a senior al Qaeda figure with a bounty of up to $25 million on his head, Interior Minister Makhdoom Faisal Saleh Hayat told CNN television Thursday.
He said the suspect had been captured during a raid in central Pakistan a few days ago. He did not identify the captive but said he was "a person who is most wanted internationally."
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan â Pakistan's interior minister on Thursday announced the arrest of Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani (search), a Tanzanian Al Qaeda (search) suspect wanted in connection with U.S. embassy bombings in Africa.
#15
Oooo-bet there's more where he came from. Anyone else notice the change from "western Pakistan" to "central Pakistan"? Fed Admin Tribal Areas? Northern Balochistan? It would be interesting to find out whether these are separate incidences, a mistake in naming the right area if it were only one al Qaeda figure caught, and whether whoever was caught was "raided" in a city or in the wilds.
#17
close to Islamabad - IE in Punjab, not in the peripheral areas.
TGA - you mean the Zarqawi rumor, or the Ghailani report. The Ghailani report is confirmed by the Paki Interior Minister, per all major media sources (AP, reuters, CNN, FOX, etc)
#19
Why all this talk of arrest? When they finally catch up to the asshole, KILL HIM. And kill him in a manner that is extremely PAINFUL. No ifs, ands, or buts.
A militant group holding two Pakistani contractors hostage said on Wednesday it had killed the men, but freed their Iraqi driver, according to the Pan-Arab television station Al-Jazeera. The group, calling itself the Islamic Army in Iraq, announced in a video on Monday that it had kidnapped two Pakistanis working for US forces and had sentenced them to death because their country was discussing sending troops to Iraq. In a new videotape sent to Al-Jazeera on Wednesday, the men said they had carried out their threat, the station reported. The newsreader said the video showed the corpses of the two men, however the station declined to show the footage.
The kidnapped men were identified by Pakistan as engineer Raja Azad, 49, and driver Sajad Naeem, 29, both of whom worked for the Kuwait-based al-Tamimi group in Baghdad. The militants also warned the company to stop doing business in Iraq or they would kill more of its employees. The group said it had released the Iraqi driver, Omar Khaled Selman, after it was clear he had been duped by the Pakistanis. The militants released a video Wednesday showing Selman describing his ordeal. "After interrogation, they charged us all with all the death penalty, and then they postponed mine and carried out the death penalty for the two Pakistanis because it was clear that they were spies," he said. "After further interrogation with me, they found out that I was only a driver and they released me," he said on the video broadcast on Al-Jazeera. Militants have kidnapped more than 70 foreigners here in recent months in an effort to push countries out of the coalition, deter others from joining and disrupt reconstruction efforts here.
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#1
Muslims executing Muslims. Thought that wasn't supposed to happen. Right? All that rage is reserved for the kafr.
Oh, I get it. They get to pick and choose who is and isn't an infidel.
#4
The "militant group" could have been comprised of Iraqis, and what with tribal loyalties being so strong in the ME, the "militants" maybe chose sparing a "brother" [Iraqi driver]for this reason. ME society is very complex - it's not just the religion that binds them, it's tribal/family connections. In fact, sometimes it's the subset of religion that adds hostility between Muslims[eg. Sunni vs Shiite].
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An explosion has ripped through a car in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah, killing two people in the militant stronghold, Palestinian medics say. The cause of the explosion was not immediately clear but Palestinian witnesses reported hearing helicopters overhead before the blast on Thursday. Israel has launched frequent air strikes on militant leaders in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli army had no immediate comment.
From Debka:
Israeli airborne missiles kill two heads of Abu Rish Brigades of Popular Resistance Committees in Rafah Thursday. One, Amr Abu Sitta, wanted in connection with October 15, 2003 murder of 3 CIA agents in Gaza. Both took part in anti-Arafat protest this month.
Israeli airborne missiles kill two heads of Abu Rish Brigades of Popular Resistance Committees in Rafah Thursday. One, Amr Abu Sitta, wanted in connection with October 15, 2003 murder of 3 CIA agents in Gaza. Both took part in anti-Arafat protest this month.
#2
This is terrible. The Izzies are gunning down the next generation of Paleostinian leaders.Where is the love. Where is the compassion for these noble 3rd worlders?
Look for lawn jockey Kofi to be mouthing off so as to fatten his Swiss accounts by a few more Mohammedan petro-dollars.
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