I thought the Ukrainian Nazis were Putin's disinformation? And that anyone who tried to publicize the concept was a Putinbot and a troll. What changed?
#3
No no no no. There are no more Nazis don't you see? Only the Germans under Hitler could have been evil enough to be Nazis. They stopped existing as soon as the Jews were salvaged out of their predicament. In fact, the ones who went to work for American and European armament firms and banks too were just 'misguided people'. And Jews which got richer and became world citizens invested in the same imperialist mores of the Nazi. A paradox, but history is full of them. Jews selling out Jews to Nazis was not unheard of then, so why not today? A 'jewish' president, supported by another 'jew' philanthropist, commanding battallions of self professed Nazis sporting swastikas. All fighting to expand the control of the same german bankers further and further. How can it be true?!
So close your eyes, forget it all. Adopt the belief that these Ukranian paramilitary outfits are just using the militaria of a bye gone era to play 'dress up'. And go to sleep. Tell this to the orphaned children in the Donbass and they might throw a rock at you though.
#7
The NYT is so full of hype. No truth, just emotional hype. The times is the most dangerous group in the room, stirring emotion, half truths, and all agenda all the time.
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#8
Nazis in the Donbas have killed thousands of people in the last 8 years. People in the West haven't been paying attention but the real war started in 2014 after the coup. Azov and others are the shock troops in that war
#15
Azov battalion is just like QAnon. The mere mention of it causes some people to utterly lose their minds.
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03/19/2022 14:25 Comments ||
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#14 No they aren't. Azov has many friends across Western media. That Telegraph article in #13 describes Azov's "Its well-oiled publicity machine." Definitely working in high gear at this website
#19
^ a veritable Hive of villainy and scum because I don't buy your trolling?
*snort*
Azov Battalion: it's a Nazi army, a Dessert Topping, annnd a Floor Wax!
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03/19/2022 15:45 Comments ||
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#20
You start to wonder how the real nazis ever managed to lose the war.
Posted by: M. Murcek ||
03/19/2022 16:01 Comments ||
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#21
Azov was founded by Andriy Biletsky, an ultra-nationalist political figure who had had run-ins with the law and had been involved in various groups that toyed with Nazi symbols.
A native Russian speaker born in the predominantly Russian-speaking city of Kharkiv, Mr Biletsky refused to identify himself as a neo-Nazi instead preferring to call himself a Ukrainian nationalist - but some of his public statements speak for themselves.
In his arguably most quoted interview Biletsky spoke about Ukraine’s “historic mission in this century to lead white peoples of the world on their last Crusade against Jew-led Untermensch”.
In recent years Azov has produced perfect content for Russian state television, putting a face to the Kremlin’s claims about the rise of the far-right in Ukraine, where recent presidents and prime ministers have all been regular centrist politicians.
Azov fighters in the east happily rolled back their sleeves to show Nazi tattoos to foreign correspondents while Mr Biletsky’s team were announcing the creation of local militia forces to deal with issues in big cities.
#22
Hallelujah! I've seen the light, comrades, and I for one am now profoundly shocked (x2) that among a people you brutalised and starved and brutalised some more and left prostrate for your Nazi allies to brutalise before you brutalised the survivors yet again... and now again... that among such a people might lurk a few ungrateful monsters who harbor an unhealthy grudge against you... well, shit, it just don't get much more shocking than that! It's a veritable donkeyful of electric eels! Snore.
On [state TV show The Evening With Vladimir Soloviev] Soloviev’s show, political scientist and professor of history Elena Ponomareva asserted: “We’re fighting not only against NATO, but also against the Nazi European Union.”
Two days earlier, on a state TV show 60 Minutes, journalist Andrei Sidorchik rode the concept all the way down the hill when he exclaimed: “Joe Biden is a Nazi. The U.S. congressmen—Democrat and Republican—are Nazis... German chancellor is a Nazi... EU leaders are Nazis... because their sanctions are attempting to preserve neo-Nazism in Ukraine.”
[Yahoo via MyNewsLink] WASHINGTON — Launched by Moscow in 1999, the second Chechen war elevated the stature of Russia’s new and then little-known prime minister, a former intelligence officer named Vladimir Putin. Intended to bring the mountainous Islamic region back under the Kremlin’s control, the exceptionally brutal campaign endeared Putin to Russians nostalgic for a show of strength from what was considered by much of the world to be a fading nuclear superpower.
"The bandits will be destroyed," Putin said at the time, in an echo of how he would talk of the "Nazis" he now claims to be purging from Ukraine’s government and military. "We must go through the mountain caves and scatter and destroy all those who are armed."
So when Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov announced earlier this week that he was in Ukraine to support Putin’s invasion, it seemed as if the past had caught up with the present. Even though Kadyrov’s journey to the front — he claimed on social media to have nearly reached the capital, Kyiv, which is still under Ukrainian control — may have been fictitious, amounting to little more than a publicity stunt, some say his involvement could lead to an even bloodier conflict.
#1
The first Chechen unit to venture into the Ukraine during the current excitement appears to have been wiped out. But it would be wise to prepare for viciousness.
[Tampa Bay Times - Robert Adolf] There has been an enormous sea change within the European Union, the United States and around the globe sparked by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s unwarranted and illegal invasion of Ukraine. There is a massive wave of support for the resistance. Suddenly, it is in vogue to speak of freedom, sovereignty and what the West stands for. Putin’s unprovoked assault is rightly taken as an attack on democracy.
Although perhaps more symbolic than actual, diplomats in Strasbourg are considering accelerating the timetable for Kyiv’s accession into the E.U., something that was unthinkable only a short time ago. European and American politicians are sounding more combative, more supportive of those under siege and more engaged with their fellow democracies with every passing day. Even famously independent Finland and Sweden are now seriously considering NATO membership.
Vladimir Putin has unintentionally re-injected long-dead clarity into the conduct of international affairs on the continent. It is clear who the aggressor is, and who is in the right. All Europe agrees for the first time in decades. We have not seen this kind unanimity since the Cold War.
A pugnacious Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy speaks to the U.S. Congress and European Parliament via video-link from the front lines. His speeches meet with thunderous applause, not necessarily because of his eloquence, but because of his courage in refusing to depart his embattled nation — to share the danger and fight with his army. That’s leadership.
The economic implications are startling and mounting. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline project is — literally — dead in the water. The European democracies may soon wean themselves off their dependence on Russian gas and oil. Major Western petroleum companies have extracted themselves from their commitments to former Russian partners, as have multiple other major business interests.
Sanctions and the confiscation of luxury yachts and mansions are hammering the fortunes of Russian oligarchs. The common people of Russia suffer too, and worse. The ruble’s devaluation is tanking the savings and buying power of the populace. Crippling economic and financial sanctions are pushing Russia into recession. Putin miscalculated.
[UnderstandingWar] Ukrainian forces conducted a major successful counterattack around Mykolayiv in the past several days, and Russian forces continued to secure territorial gains only around Mariupol on March 18. Russian forces face growing morale and supply problems, including growing reports of self-mutilation among Russian troops to avoid deployment to Ukraine and shortages of key guided munitions.
The Ukrainian General Staff continued to report on March 18 that Russia has failed to achieve its strategic objectives in Ukraine, including destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces, capturing Kyiv, and establishing control over Ukraine to the east bank of the Dnipro River—the first time the Ukrainian General Staff included this territorial conquest as an explicit Russian objective.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff additionally stated that Ukrainian forces “continue step by step to liberate the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine in all directions” on March 18, the first Ukrainian mention of conducting counterattacks “in all directions.”[2] Read the rest at the link
[American Thinker] With friends like liberal media, who needs enemies? Their virtue signaling and political spin over Ukraine is so revolting that if I didn't know better, I'd turn against Ukraine like so many conservative commentators already have. But having lived in both Russia and Ukraine, I know better.
Just as revolting is seeing previously trusted conservative sites and TV hosts defending Russia and tarring Ukraine. Children act like that when adults apply reverse psychology. What's their excuse? I'm not naming names because I'd like to believe they are acting in good faith and are simply misguided by crafty spinners.
Reading Russian and Ukrainian sources in the original, I know exactly who in this war is spinning lies and who is fighting for truth and freedom. Believe me, not every enemy of the liberal media is our ally or deserves sympathy. Sometimes the enemy of our enemy is an even bigger enemy.
I'm familiar with Russian propaganda well enough to recognize a scripted narrative. Some conservative hosts may not praise Putin's ideas directly, but they favor guests and authors who deliver the influence operation script, blaming the victims and diminishing their suffering. This looks just as bad as pointing a camera at the scene of a violent rape while mocking the victim's screaming, making fun of her clothes, saying that she deserves it, and suggesting that she stop faking pain and enjoy the inevitable.
With the media presenting such irreconcilable viewpoints, American consumers of news have split in two warring factions. But the accusations and arguments with which they hit each other over the head are false on either side.
False argument #1: Anyone who supports Ukraine wants American soldiers to die in foreign lands or is clamoring for WW3.
I support Ukraine but I never called for Americans to risk their lives in Ukraine. There are many ways of supporting an ally without sending an army. The three weeks of fighting have shown Ukraine is quite capable of defending itself, given enough guns and ammo.
False argument #2: Anyone who questions the Democrats' motives as related to this war is a Putin troll and a traitor.
I'll be the first to point out that Biden and the rest of the Obama team had turned Ukraine into a feeding trough with their corrupt schemes. But that has little to do with Putin's paranoia and his megalomaniacal motives to invade Ukraine and the rest of the former Soviet territories, redefining established borders, encouraging other known bad actors, and setting a precedent that may indeed start WW3.
It's time we asked, cui bono? Who benefits from a divided America fighting over Putin's Russia? The answer is Putin's Russia.
Russian influence operations, or "active measures," have been targeting the U.S. for decades, aiming to demoralize Americans and make them hate one another. Judging by the state of affairs today, Russian operations have been quite effective.
The KGB was dissolved in the early 1990s, followed by a short respite. Then Putin, a former KGB colonel, restarted the influence game and enhanced it with digital gadgets. This time, in addition to the traditional leftist radicals, he started targeting conservatives as potential agents of influence.
Russian propaganda is deeply embedded and is sophisticated enough to appear as honest opinions of concerned citizens. But what often betrays it is the narcissistic desire of making everything about Russia.
We are either fuming over Russian election interference, or over Russia setting up fake BLM pages on Facebook, or we are being dragged into sympathizing with Russia over its bogus fears of NATO expansion, its "national interests," its "religiosity and spirituality," and so on. In the Soviet days of communist propaganda, any American influencer could get away with it by claiming he was simply a selfless Marxist. But today, when Russia's ideology is chauvinistic nationalism, it's a bit odd for a regular American to be simply a selfless defender of Russia's national interests.
While Russia's defenders point out the existence of Ukrainian nationalism, they somehow neglect to mention the unhinged Russian nationalism. The two are not equal. The nationalism of a dominant ethnicity in an empire which aims to subjugate other ethnicities as inferior to the main one, is called chauvinism or supremacism. The nationalism of a smaller ethnicity trying to free its neck from under its "big brother's" boot is called a movement for dignity, freedom, and independence — something American conservatives have always identified with.
Contrary to what a section of conservative media claims, Putin is not a Christian knight in shining armor fighting the New World Order. He has his own New World Order in mind, which is spiritually closer to Mordor. One look at Russian society today with its brutal suppression of dissent, government corruption, and state-sponsored brainwashing should give an idea of what he has in store for the rest of the conquered world.
Russia may have different faces at different times, but the one we are staring at today -- obsessed with the cult of Putin and conspiracy theories -- is not Lara from Doctor Zhivago, who never existed, but a manipulative drama queen dragging others into its alcohol-fueled problems and then using the suckers as tools to achieve its soulless goals.
Americans shouldn't be codependent in this abusive behavior.
A top-level Russian propagandist once bragged that if his agency's methods of psychological manipulation were open and legal, they could easily get a Nobel for inventing it. If I were to guess, at least one of those methods rely in part on the Drama Triangle principle.
[TaskAndPurpose] Every war has its own dynamics which can be equally lethal to veterans and beginners if not properly understood.
The initial crop of applicants has been a mixed bag – with a swarm of Fantasists for every one candidate with experience in combat. And even combat experience means little in this war – because trading shots with the Taliban or al Qaeda is quite different from crouching in a freezing foxhole being pummeled by artillery fire.
Recruits for the Ukrainian Foreign Legion are invited to apply via the Ukrainian embassy in their country of residence. After a cursory initial interview, they are told to head for Ukraine via Warsaw and overland to Lviv in western Ukraine. The route is so well known that it is heavily monitored by the Russians, according to a Ukrainian special forces officer I spoke with. He was worried that they would soon begin targeting recruits before they reached their destination. After Lviv, the recruits are sent to a camp near the Polish border for selection and training. Selection apparently follows no discernable process other than separating those that don’t have military experience from those that do. The former are put through a 4-week training course — the latter are given a weapon and sent to the front in ad-hoc units with a Ukrainian officer. Some candidates are inexplicably rejected while others – regarded as being eminently unsuitable by their peers, are retained. In any case, the process has some fatal flaws – no one becomes a competent soldier in just 4 weeks, and even experienced soldiers require assimilation training. Every war has its own dynamics which can be equally lethal to veterans and beginners if not properly understood.
In their first trial by fire earlier this month, the volunteers were put into a hasty defense north of Kyiv, as the Russians began their onslaught on the towns lying north of the city. After the initial volley of Ukrainian anti-tank missiles had stopped the attackers in their tracks, enemy soldiers spilled out of their armored fighting vehicles about a quarter-mile in front of the volunteers, and into a withering storm of fire that halted the assault. “Shoot the ones in black uniforms,” a Ukrainian platoon commander is said to have told his foreign charges. “They are Belarusians.” Ukrainians are particularly incensed (but not surprised) at the perfidious complicity of Belarusian autocrat Alexander Lukashenko in taking his stance as a sycophantic second to President Vladimir Putin. Sadly, as with Putin, it is Lukashenko’s soldiers who are paying the price.
Although the Legionnaires helped to halt the attack, their performance that day was uneven — an observation that led the Ukrainians to discharge the surviving members of the initial intake, without any ceremony or official notification. Worse was to come. An unknown number of new recruits were training at a camp near the border when, a strike by Tupolev bombers, carrying Kh 101 cruise missiles, destroyed the camp. The death toll is not yet clear, but Ukrainian officers have told me that it will likely be more than 100.
“We should only take experienced combat veterans — that is the lesson that we are learning,” a Ukrainian general told Task & Purpose on condition of anonymity. “The others don’t know what they are getting themselves into – and when they find out, they want to go home. We need specialized skills – especially snipers.”
#9
stupid games, stupid prizes. How many of those misfits and degenerates were fried in the missile strike? Bet it's a lot more than "thirty-five". There's so much propaganda about this war it's impossible to believe the news
#11
Unit cohesion is very important. The Band of Brothers trained for years before D Day. The French Foreign Legion has been wearing their butcher aprons and parading a wooden arm for a century. Amalgamating a group of people for fighting from different countries with different experience levels in theater with no unit training was always a PR release headed for a Darwin Award.
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#12
They're lucky. The Russians are taking the gloves off now. Gonna be fast and furious.
Posted by: Whaving Lover of the Heathen Rus9997 ||
03/19/2022 22:46 Comments ||
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#13
Bloodthirsty!
A pitcher just ran through a riot.
The cool kids all followed: "Let's try it!"
A punch-drunk discussion
Ensued: "Shoot a Russian!"
"As long as we don't have to buy it..."
"It's a sure-fire Ukrainian diet!"
Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin
[ColonelCassad] 1. Mariupol. Street fighting continues. Serious progress on the Left Bank. The district administration was taken over. The battles are gradually shifting to Azovstal. The airport of Mariupol was liberated.
2. Marinka-Avdeevka-Verkhnetoretskoye. Fights continue. No major progress has been reported.
3. Ugledar. The Golden Niva is occupied. Most of the Ugledar-Velikaya Novoselka road is under the control of the RF Armed Forces. The front is shifting in the direction of Marinka-Kurakhovo.
4. Nikolaev. Fighting north of the city. Their results are not yet clear.
5. Kharkov-Izyum. Fighting east of Kharkov and around Izyum. The APU is still sitting in the southern part of the city. The Izyum-Slavyansk road was cut. In Kharkov itself and around it, the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered heavy losses as a result of missile and bomb attacks by the Russian Aerospace Forces.
6. Severodonetsk. Street fighting continues, as well as the cleansing of the southern outskirts of Rubizhne. There are fights in the area of Popasnaya.
7. Kyiv-Sumy-Chernihiv. No visible change, although fighting continued to the east and west of the city.
8. Odessa. Without changes. The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation indicates the threat of landing, which forces the Armed Forces of Ukraine to hold troops in the city area.
9. Zaporozhye. There is no significant change in the front line in the area of Kamensky, Orekhov and Gulyaipol.
10. Lviv. The Lvov Aircraft Repair Plant was destroyed.
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[Tampa Bay Times - Robert Adolf] There has been an enormous sea change within the European Union, the United States and around the globe sparked by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s unwarranted and illegal invasion of Ukraine. There is a massive wave of support for the resistance. Suddenly, it is in vogue to speak of freedom, sovereignty and what the West stands for. Putin’s unprovoked assault is rightly taken as an attack on democracy.
