A 20-ton piece of road machinery mowed down a fence and a couple of trees on property belonging to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld after the brakes apparently slipped and the machine rolled away. "It was a freak accident," said Michael Trujillo, director of public works for Taos County.
"Our bad."
He said the hydraulic brake system gave way on the smooth drum roller, which was being used Tuesday to pack down the surface on a road project near property owned by Rumsfeld. The machine took out a 10- to 15-foot section of wooden posts and wire fencing and a couple of trees as it plunged 12 feet down the side of the canyon road before getting hung up in heavy brush. Trujillo called the damage a career-killer slight, and said county officials had been in touch with Rumsfeld's caretaker to discuss reimbursement for the damage. The accident site is a considerable distance from the house on the property. Rumsfeld has several pieces of land in the area. Two of his properties near El Prado have been the scenes of frequent anti-Bush administration and anti-war protests. Trujillo — a member of a prominent Democratic family in a county with 13 percent Republican Party registration — said he's heard plenty of jokes about the mishap. "This was not a political statement," he said with a laugh. "Donald Rumsfeld is an OK guy as far as I'm concerned."
"But he better watch his back, know what I mean? Those brake repairs are awfully tricky."
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Trujillo â a member of a prominent Democratic family in a county with 13 percent Republican Party registration â said he's heard plenty of jokes about the mishap.
"This was not a political statement," he said with a laugh. "Donald Rumsfeld is an OK guy as far as I'm concerned."
Wish we heard more stories about Dems like this, not the loons salivating over RNC ultra-violence.
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In the UK, a 'fence' is a middleman criminal who handles stolen goods. I was hoping for a Rumsfeld-Sopranos tie in story.
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Sound like it took out a little bit of barbed wire fencing. Um this crap happen all the time. Only Rummys name makes it a news story. Just lucky no cows were in the way.
A deer breeder faces possible jail time for allegedly stealing a big buck -- worth big bucks -- from another breeder five years ago. The buck named Goliath vanished from Rodney Miller's ranch in western Pennsylvania in 1999.
"Luke, git yur shooting iron. We got deer rustlers!"
The Pennsylvania Deer Farmers Association allegedly located the creature in 2003 on Jeffrey Spence's farm in Reynoldsville, about 50 miles from Miller's place. On Friday, state police charged Spence with theft, receiving stolen property and conspiracy to commit theft -- all third-degree felonies -- in Goliath's disappearance. Miller breeds deer to sell to other deer farms and ultimately to game farms, where hunters pay for the opportunity to bag trophy bucks.
A pretty pathetic way to hunt, if you can even call it that.
Miller declines to put a value on Goliath, who weighs well over 300 pounds and has antler upon antlers. But he had offered a $100,000 reward, and other massive bucks have sold for more than $500,000.
Not as much as a prize bull or stallion, but not bad.
Since its recovery, the deer has been the subject of DNA testing and an ongoing civil court fight. At first Spence suggested the deer, whom he called Hercules and was trying to sell for $150,000, wasn't Goliath. But DNA testing on the recovered buck matched a sample taken from Goliath before he disappeared, Miller's attorney said. Troy Harper, Spence's attorney in the civil case, said last year that even if the deer is Goliath, Spence acquired it "in the proper manner." He wouldn't say how. "Lies! All lies!"
Spence declined comment Monday. "I can say no moreâŠ"
What, no link to the stag pictures? (rimshot) Thank you, I'll be gone next week.
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She had a great campaign slogan, "California has been screwed by a Brown and a Grey, now isn't it time for a blond".
She also was for an excise tax on cosmetic surgery (her own breast being natural)and for a reduction in regulation of the adult film business (this reduction in regulation would increase tax revenues as more such business would be drawn to California).
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Lol, Sea! I don't "get it" - what's with this? I know you looked - fine snarky comment - but I know you did. Why the avoidance thing among the wymyn of RB? Nothing to be askeered of!
I think Fred should start a category called Animal Attacks. It's a Ranburg tradition.
We haven't had any vicious penguins. Yet.
A rabid otter latched onto, and bit, a 6-year-old boy who was taking swimming lessons at a small public lake Wednesday. Police said Ethan Pederson emerged from the water with the otter hanging onto his back and legs. Lifeguards wrestled it off, but the animal ran in and out of the water several times, chasing after others in the class, police said. Putnam County Sheriff's deputies were called to the lake about 11:15 a.m. Lifeguards finally trapped the animal under a plastic crate, and a deputy shot it dead. Police said the Putnam County Department of Health reported a positive rabies test. Pederson was treated for hand and back wounds as well as for rabies. Freshwater otters have brown fur and grow about 4 feet long. They are usually nocturnal and live off of fish, and sometimes fowl.
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He was lucky he did not stumble on a wolverine near her den. They are fierce critters! I was landing on a ridge with a helicopter. A wolverine came out of her den and attacked the chopper bubble and door. We hovered out of there and landed a couple hundred yards away.
Frank. In or out of the water? heh heh heh
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IOC reacts to the birth control patches Susanne Glesnes (right) and Kathrine Maaseide have been using during the Olympics. Now the beach volleyball duo has to manage without. It was revealed Monday that Glesnes and Maaseide are sponsored by the producer of the birth control patch. The women had placed their patches very visible on their shoulders, and it has been noted. After being informed of the issue, Gerhard Heiberg, board member in the IOC, reacted because according to the rules in the Olympics, it is illegal to advertise for products during the Olympics games. I suspect they were advertising to fellow athletes as well as home viewers.
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I guess those fellow athletes aren't "sponge-worthy".
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Wearing a birth control patch is like saying "Hey! Look at me! I'm a slut!". Keep your medicine in your medicine cabinet, skanks.
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TGA--There's a patch, similar to the ones they use to stop smoking, that releases birth control hormones through the skin. Chris is right--wearing it in a visible location is a good way of advertising you're ready for action! But from what I've read the Olympic athletes are there for the sex as much as the medals.
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TGA, they've been advertising them here in the states for a while. Stick them on your skin, they seem to recommend shoulder, stomach, or rear, and the birth control chemical migrates through skin. Supposed to last for a week or month each, can't remember. Works the same way as anti-smoking patches do.
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The patches are great, its nice to see two beautiful role models taking responsibility. If I saw the 13 year old gymnist on the balance beam wearing a the patch, then i would be worried. Think about it, they are grown women!
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In true toll victimhood mentality, when toll hero is overwhelmingly and convincingly reduce to cow crap, blame the other person.
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I just popped off a $ 100 contribution to the Swift Boat Veterans ForTruth organization in honor of my Democratic father who served as a 2nd lieutenant during WWII. Although an ethnic FDR dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, he would be absolutely INCENSED at how these guys are getting eviscerated by the NY Times, et al., for upholding the honor of the armed forces.
I challenge you to do the same. Go to:
https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets
Note: By meeting my challenge you will join me as part of the vast and nefarious web of right-wing Republican "attack dogs" doing the President's "dirty work" in the words of the liberal media and Mr. Kerry. Welcome aboard!
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I hope I make it on the 527 list as a contributor to Swift Vets...$250 here....mmmm who is the Conservative Soros who hasn't antied up yet.
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I've heard some recommendations that Senator Horseface should apologize to all Vets for 1971. Well he can do it, but I a'int accepting Senator. Your a traitor for all time in my mind.
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Interesting--I went to check out the SwiftVets.com site, but typed in SwiftBoatVets.com instead, which redirected me to a Salon.com article slamming the Swift Vets. It's incredible the rage these Swift Vet ads have generated!
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I've heard some recommendations that Senator Horseface should apologize to all Vets for 1971. Well he can do it, but I a'int accepting Senator. Your a traitor for all time in my mind.
This should never be about an apology alone. It should be about doing the right thing, and in Kerry's case, asking John Ashcroft to commence an investigation into his activitites during and after Viet Nam.
The right thing is getting the name of his fellow travelers/traitors and finding out not only who funded them, but who distributed the money to the anti-war movment, in other words, the bring down our current antiwar movment by exposing the antiwar movment of the 60s and 70s.
I wanna know out of which bank their money came, who received the money and for what. Kerry can provide a lot of these answers now
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"Ranthamburger" wasn't bad. For a Democrat, anyway. Why don't they just disprove the allegations instead of spitting acid. Oh, that's right, because they're true ?
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Wait a second.... Howard can cuss like noone I've ever seen, which implies a magnificient grasp of the language, a certain cadence as it were. You ever go to journalism school at UT Howard?
#22
"All your base..." (also "All yuor[sic] base..." is a fairly recent internet meme. It was a quite a little phenomenon a few years back, with sites dedicated to photoshopping images with this quote from a rather badly translated video game from the 80's.
It isn't a muckism that I've ever seen. More along the lines of another one: "You are teh[sic] suck".
("Launch all zig!")
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Kerry and Co have turned condemnation and intimidation into a moneymaker. WAY TO GO GUYZ!!!!!
Firesign Theatre Quote of the Day for the Kerry Campaign:
"How can you be two places at once when you're really nowhere at all?"
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#13 Bill, that would, perhaps, be Richard Mellon Scaife. Remember the media scrutiny he got back in '98 over his supposed financing of the entire Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?
He's the only conservative billionaire I can think of at the moment... at least by name.
If ever there was a topic fit for "Short Attention Span Theater ..." Language lacks words for most numbers
Some people have a great excuse for being bad at math -- their language lacks the words for most numbers, U.S.-based researchers reported on Thursday. Members of a tiny, isolated Brazilian tribe have no words for numbers other than "one or a few" or "many" and seem to have trouble counting, the researchers reported. What no one realizes is that these people could be in great demand as ballot verification staff.
The Piraha tribespeople are clearly intelligent, so the finding opens questions into how language may affect thinking, the researchers say in this weekâs issue of the journal Science. Peter Gordon of Columbia University in New York and colleagues studied the Piraha because there had been reports about their unique use of numbers. Talk about an anthropological study devoid of statistics.
"I was able to take three field trips ranging from one week to two months living with the Piraha along with Dr. Daniel Everett and Keren Everett, two linguists who have lived and worked with the tribe for over 20 years and are completely familiar with their language and cultural practices," Gordon writes in his report. "They live along the banks of the Maici River in the Lowland Amazonia region of Brazil. They maintain very much of a hunter-gatherer existence and reject assimilation into mainstream Brazilian culture," he added. There are only about 200 Piraha and they live in groups of 10 to 20. "And not one of them is an accountant!" Continued on Page 49
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Pfeh, big deal, sounds like my 3 year old.
'Cepting the hunting thing.
As far as I know.
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Yet another culture for American schools to glorify and emmulate.
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Their math skills match hunting skills-Kill one of those,and a few of those.Tribe eats.
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Dungeons and Dragons (per my son) has a race calle Gully Dwarf" that has only 3 numbers: 0, 1 and 2. 0 is none there. 1 is just 1 there. 2 is any more than 1 there.
We caounted that way in the Army: none, 1, a couple, a few, a whole f**king bunch, a sh*tload. As in:
"due to the weather we had zero clue about where the IRG were, so we set up 1 OP way forward with a couple troopers, watching a few roads, and then a whole f**king bunch of Iraqi Repub Guards came rolling up headed north, so we called in a sh*tload of air support and artillery"
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Hraka! Even my people, we of the thousand enemies (no, we're not Muslims), can count up to four. Any number over four is hrair, "a lot" or "a thousand".
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Old Spook: You left out "sum" and "nuff", as in, "I need sum air support", and when asked how much, "nuf ta do tha job".... Been there, my friend! 8^)
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Break out the money and I'll bet that they suddenly can could just fine.
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"...Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
So in truth, you really only need to be able to count to four - THREE - in the first place.
Mike
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This sounds like my old drill instructors.
"You've got ten seconds to finish your chow! Ten! Nine! Six! Four! One! You're done! Now getcher ass over here and push!"
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Many years ago, some US universitites actively tested for a dichotomy: do students have a better grasp of "verbal" abstracts or "symbolic" abstracts. Engineers need high symbolic abstract abilities, because of math; whereas sociologists need to appreciate verbal abstracts, to understand "not just what you say, but how you say it."
Music is the best way of understanding it: some musicians "play by ear" (verbal); whereas others read music as abstract notes on a page. *Neither* of these abilities determine who will be the better musician, though.
Generally speaking, all people are more able to grasp verbal abstracts than symbolic ones.
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Is it me or is it strange to note that the researchers 'have lived and worked with the tribe for over 20 years' but it's only now that this dicovery's being made (or reported)?
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NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
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In a David Eddings fantasy series that my brother and I really love, the Trolls have a compass with only two directions...North and Not North. But they seemed to navigate just fine!
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The way some societies treat radical Islam reminds me of people that purchace large predatory beasts and loose them in their houses as family pets. Their choice usually ends badly.
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That is why the Democrat machine is so anxious to get these voting machines runing in the US. So they can guarntee Democratic/socialist domination and the further ruin of our Republic.
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I'm not sure I believe Mr. Boyd's stuff, but if what he says is true then either:
- Jimmy Carter is too stupid to be allowed to monitor elections or
- Jimmy Carter likes dictators (as long as they are left wing).
It is attached to the seats and delivers stern warnings to those who attempt to stand and urinate.
"Hey, stand-peeing is not allowed here and will be punished with fines, so if you don't want any trouble, you'd best sit down," one of the devices orders in a voice impersonating the German leader, Chancellor Gerhard Schroder.
I think maybe we did too good a job of ingraining passivity and pacification during our occupation of Germany
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TGA - I'm not worried, heh, there are examples here and here that prove you guys are doing a LOT right! Of course, I'm prejudiced cuz I love geography and I'm a sucker for maps, heh! Hell, I might even start paying attention to soccer / football!
This is going to get good! Bring lots of popcorn....
Democratic White House hopeful John Kerry's campaign formally alleged that a group attacking his Vietnam war record had illegal ties to US President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s reelection bid. Evidence? What Evidence? You want me to produce Evidence? Do you KNOW WHO I AM?
In a statement released to reporters, Kerry's campaign announced it had "filed a legal complaint against Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT) before the Federal Election Commission (news - web sites) (FEC) for violating the law with inaccurate ads that are illegally coordinated with the Bush-Cheney presidential campaign." Any way we can get a look at the complaint? I would like to see the evidence they claim....
The move by the Kerry campaign came shortly after the Swift Boat group released a second ad attacking the Democratic presidential candidate, who was wounded three times while serving on a Swift Boat in Vietnam and decorated twice for valor. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have accused Kerry of lying about one of the wounds he suffered and of embellishing his acts of heroism during his four months in Vietnam, charges strongly rejected by the senator from Massachusetts. Kerry on Thursday accused the Bush administration of using the Swift Boat veterans as a front group to do the "dirty work" of attacking his Vietnam War record. The New York Times on Friday reported that there is a "web of connections" What the hell is that?
between the Swift Boat group and the "Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush (news - web sites)'s chief political aide, Karl Rove." They live on the SAME PLANET! There must be a connection. Its different with Soros and Moore [with Moveon.org and Fart-911] since they don't live in this (or any known) reality.....
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Any way we can get a look at the complaint? I would like to see the evidence they claim....
It SHOULD be public record. Somehow, though, I doubt it is.
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.com: time to bring back The Official Seal of the Demcocratic Party of the United States. But even more than displaying intellectual maturity of spoiled brats, it shows a very frightening readiness to use any and all means to silence all opposition regardless of what is contained in the Constitution, and is exactly the kind of thing that will turn an undecided voter against them.
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This is the crowd that's always screaming about Freedom of Speech, too and how important "dissent" and "opposition" in the political arena is supposed to be!
We have to listen to them pee on our shoes and tell us it's raining 24/7 and say "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"
This lawsuit better go nowhere or I will be even more PISSED than I am right now!
sKerry is lawyer scum and so's his boyfriend Edwards!
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Kerry never scream foul when $62 million went into 527 groups that bashed Bush for last eight months. I guess they have a flexible concept of the first amendement.
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Launching a lawsuit is gasoline on the fire. It can't help but excite the Republican base (as well as people who are not necessarily Republican partisans but that have had it up to HERE with frivolous lawsuits), and it will guarantee that Unfit for Command is the talk of all the Sunday shows.
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If she is, she's a fool. Kerry is taking the Democrat propaganda organ, otherwise known as the Main Stream Media, and flushing its credibility down a toilet. By the time this is over, blogs will be given notariety in Peoria and people will recognize they have an alternative that presents the truth. The only thing worse for the Democrats would be a major increase in homeschoolers to over 10% of the school age population.
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Official Mascot of the Democrat Party & The Official Pose
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Here's hoping that the FEC *is* too slow to "do a damn thing" about either MoveOn's ads or Swift Vet for Truth ...
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This is strange! It's not like they didn't know the Swift Vets were out there, and yet they made his Vet service the central part of his campaign.
Now ...if they any brains at all, they'd be aware that e-larson is spot on about this calling attention to Edwards least likeable quality - that he's a trail lawyer! It's just plain stoooopid.
These guys smoked way too much dope in the 60's. They've really lost touch with reality.
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This is nothing less than a naked attempt to impose a censorship regime through legal maneuvering and the application of outrageously obvious hypocrisy in standards.
As such it represents a coup d'etat by big media and the rest of the power-freak lobby; the activist legal industry, academic authoritarians, and their legions of dupes, shills, and allies. It is the final power-grab by these loathesome elements that has building for 40 years.
Any government elected under such unconstitutional restrictions on free speech is illegitimate on its face and is not entitled to the Constitutional exercise of authority. Any attempt by such a government to exercise such authority may lawfully and morally be resisted by force.
This is it, guys.
Molon Labe, lawyer-media devils!
They were never going to win this election. They know that. That's why they ran sacrificial lambs. They never have to listen to Kerry again, just like Mondale or Gore. And maybe Edwards has a future. Give him exposure and find out.
Bush has to lose it for a Demcrat to get in. And if Bush is dumb enough to lose it, it doesn't matter who the Democrats nominated.
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I know one thing for sure: The Republicans where I work are getting pissed at the lack of fair treatment.
This "Attack the Veterans" instead of "Investigate the Claims" is hitting home. Republicans are getting pissed off enough at the blatant unfairness of the press (investigate the crap out of bush and give Kerry a free pass) to get active. I've gotten calls from several people forming campaign support groups, getting ready to work the phones and door-to-door for Bush now.
Kerry, you and your liberal press buddies keep attacking instead of answering the questions, you'll motivate the Republicans to turn out, work hard and drive up their votes like nobody since Billary.
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The Republicans are getting mad and the Dem's are getting embarrassed. I noticed that my normally verbose Dem friends are mum on Kerry. They talk about what they don't like about Bush, and about issues that the Evil-Right-Wing-Republican-Cabal just doesn't care about...but they don't talk about Kerry.
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MMFA sends letter to Wal-Mart, Amazon.com, and Barnes & Noble asking these top booksellers to review policies on selling Unfit for Command
Dear CEO:
In light of an August 19 report in The Washington Post (titled "Records Counter a Critic of Kerry") proving that a key allegation in the new book Unfit for Command by John E. O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi is fraudulent, I'm writing to express my concern that by continuing to sell Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry as a work of nonfiction, prominent book retailers are complicit in a literary hoax. Not to mention a threat to Kerry's electoral prospects
The Post reported on August 19 that "[n]ewly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events." This is but the latest in a long line of evidence that Unfit for Command is a fraud, with no basis in reality and no attempt to convey the truth. Slate.com editor Jacob Weisberg has described the book as a "scurrilous book accusing Kerry of being a war criminal and faking his injuries in Vietnam"; it's important to keep in mind that official military records (as well as the statements of all but one of Kerry's crewmates) flatly contradict the lies in Unfit for Command.
Which? Who? Apparently Kerry's bronze star and Bronze Stars awarded others are based in part or Kerry's narrative, according to the unnamed slandered fellow soldier (Mr Thurlow)
With the revelations of August 19, it's clear that Unfit for Command is the Hitler Diaries of the current political season -- a complete fraud. As you know, and as Salon.com reported on August 19, "[T]here is a long-standing tradition by reputable publishers of withdrawing titles that prove to be hoaxes or frauds." I would hope that in the case of Unfit for Command, Regnery, the book's publisher, would do the right thing and withdraw it from publication. However, given Regnery's history as an irresponsible publisher, I have no expectation, nor should you, that it will act responsibly with respect to this deeply flawed book. Hitler Diaries? Like the moveon.org ad comparing Pres Bush to Hitler?
Lots of assertions, what little 'evidence' of misinformation & lies that they allude to that's presented here is the 'unnamed critic' whose sole crime is that of contradiction (I think this is over the Bronze Star dispute when Kerry's boat picked up Rassmann). Guess I'll go soil myself and see what Media Matters has for convincing proof...
Elliott also says in that second affidavit, "Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong." That statement is misleading, however. It mischaracterizes the actual basis on which Kerry received his decoration.
The official citations show Kerry was not awarded the Silver Star "for simply pursuing and dispatching" the Viet Cong. In fact, the killing is not even mentioned in two of the three versions of the official citation (see "supporting documents" at right.) The citations - based on what Elliott wrote up at the time - dwell mostly on Kerry's decision to attack rather than flee from two ambushes, including one in which he led a landing party.
Well, genius - when you're attacking, by definition you're attacking someone or something, right? Also note that Elliot claimed later in the day that the Globe mischaracterized what he sais in the 8/6/04 article; it doesn't look like that was disclosed in this article.
I think the Bronze Star issue comes down to whether there was enemy fire in the area when Rassman was dumped from JFK's boat and in the subsequent pickup. At least two people don't recall / remember there being enemy fire at the time, the prerequisite for the award. Neither person is quoted in this article.
My conclusion - FactCheck doesn't live up to its name here.
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This is TOOOOO GOOOD! By trying to censor a book that s critical of Kerry, he has shown that Kerry IS "Unfit For Command!" This is a desperate attempt to muzzle a critic. Can you imagine the outrage if Bush/Rove/Cheney/etc. tried to stop any one of the Anti-Bush books or stop the showing of 9/11? Stick a fork in these guys they are done!
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And all those books about Bush and F9-11 were an honest portrayal of the facts. I better make an investment in the Tissue Manufactures because the Kerry Kamp is sure doing a lot of CRYING
The 'crying' they are doing is nothing compared the the crying they will be doing 3 Nov. of this year.
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"As the president and CEO of Media Matters for America, a nonprofit organization that seeks to rid the U.S. media (including book publishing) of conservative misinformation, I ask you to consider taking some action on Unfit for Command"
David Brock, in his sly, weaselly way, is trying to classify conservative views as a thought crime.
Don't go down that road, David. Don't even think of going down it. Because at the end of that road lie Treblinka, Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, and Babi Yar.
Got damn, these assholes are getting scarier by the day. They are becoming so brazen and daring, so power-hungry, and so utterly without principle that I really wonder whether they have sense enough to stop short of doing something so heinous that we'll end up in a civil war.
I fear they do not.
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This is just perfect marketing...
Excellent Smithers, order a few more million books run...
#14
Got damn, these assholes are getting scarier by the day.
Got that right.
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I can't wait until payday so I can get my copy! Assuming it hasn't banned and burned by the under-fuher. Doesn't he realize that he just sold another 500k copies by calling for it to be banned? It's like when they try to censor a radio or TV show. The day they ban a book (any book) is the day I start stocking ammo and rations, because it's a quick slide down from there.
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Ah, the smell of liberal pig roasting on a hot summer night. Honey, grab the fork, we'll poke it and see if its done yet.
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Bear in mind that liberals are simply neofascists. It is hardly astounding that they are reacting this way. Accuracy In Academia has long documented the political bias and censorship of liberals against conservatives on the university campuses. Check out the website of Accuracy In Academia, and you are treated to the following interesting treatises that the MSM would just like to keep hushed up:
⢠Racism is Not the Problem: Why Martin Luther King Got it Half Right
⢠Whither the Old Conservatism?
⢠Conservative University: An Education Civilization Cannot Do Without
⢠Campus Report 2000: Perversion & Censorship
⢠The Origins of Political Correctness
⢠The Constitution: Sovereignty & Accountability
⢠How Textbooks Distort American History
⢠Why the New Deal Failed
Which he still won't release...EFL:
Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry struck back yesterday against a group of critics who have been impugning his Vietnam War record for the last two weeks, branding them as liars and accusing them of acting as ''a front for the Bush campaign" to do the president's ''dirty work." Kerry, appearing stern as he drew repeated applause in a speech before a firefighters' union in Boston, weaved vivid descriptions of his four months as a Navy swift boat commander -- including ''the shrapnel in my leg," which he rarely mentions -- with invective about ''the lies about my record" from the critics, Vietnam veterans who have named themselves Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Wonder if that shrapnel is a grain of rice? Well, we can just look at the record, oops, we can't...
''Here's what you really need to know about them: They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas; they're a front for the Bush campaign," said Kerry, citing two $100,000 donations by Houston donor Bob J. Perry. ''And the fact that the president won't denounce what they're up to tells you everything that you need to know -- he wants them to do his dirty work. Over the past week, some fellow veterans and campaign advisers had been urging Kerry to respond forcefully. When he did so yesterday, however, he did not offer a point-by-point rebuttal of the group's allegations.
He can't..
Instead, he condemned them categorically and tried to draw Bush into the skirmish. ''Thirty years ago, official Navy reports which I wrote and every person there on my boat, but not the one next to me documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the story I made up plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam," Kerry said, drawing one of several standing ovations from thousands of firefighters in their gold and black ''Kerry-Edwards" T-shirts at the Hynes Convention Center yesterday.
"Shrapnel in the leg" seems to be the new meme. Funny no one else remembers it.
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Could have been a fragment from one of his own grenades that he shot a little too close for comfort. (The "self-inflicted wound" that Michelle Malkin was trying to explain last night to MSNBC's foaming nutjob Chris Matthews.
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I've read more about this today than I ever wanted to. I should have saved time and just stuck with my gut reaction when I read that Kerry was doing re-enactments for his home movie camera in Vietnam (did you know he served in Vietnam?). It's clear that he was more interested in self-serving than in serving his country. I fear any candidate that is that calculating and that self-serving. This even makes Clinton look humble.
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"This even makes Clinton look humble."
Couple years ago I would've said such a thing is physically impossible.
But now, what you wrote seems, if anything, an understatement.
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If Clintoon could have figured out a way to do combat duty in Vietnam with only a few scratches for which he got Purple Hearts and with the promise that he'd get to come home after 4 months, he would have.
He's probably sick he didn't work the system the way Kerry did.
He just didn't have the influential friends sKeery does until he got to the big time White House.
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I can't help but wonder if all this fuss being kicked up by Kerry's supporters are, actually, being done by Clinton's supporters in order to bolster Hillary's chance in '08 by insuring that
*everyone* reads the book and/or sees the ad and sinks Kerry's chances.
If Kerry wins then Hillary will have almost no chance against a incumbent Kerry Presidency while if Kerry looses Hillary will have a much better chance against a non-incumbant canidate....
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CF, you DO need to have your tin foil hat resized!
No matter what happens to sKeery, Hillary ain't never gonna be President!
She is hated--by me, for one, but lots of other people.
I think sKerry is the front man for the Dims, Machievellian Clintonian schemes or no, and if he goes down--which I think he will(YEA!), he should take the rest of the ship down with him because he's just Hillary with a real penis.
The Dimocrats are all alike now: Socialists, Marxists, Lefties, Communists in the guise of "Progressives" and they are the party of bankrupt and un-America policies and ideology.
And my tin foil fedora fits just fine, thanks!
Big Ed, LOVE the pic!
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"If Kerry wins then Hillary will have almost no chance against a incumbent Kerry Presidency while if Kerry looses Hillary will have a much better chance against a non-incumbant canidate...."
I've been thinking along those lines, too: if the Clintons are in a position to prevent a Kerry victory, they'll do it.
If Kerry wins this election and turns out to be an effective, popular president (yeah, yeah, I know...) then Hillary won't have her shot at the White House until 2012. I just can't see her being willing to wait that long.
But I think it is far more likely that Kerry, if elected this fall, will fuck things up so spectacularly that it will be at least another generation-- maybe even a half-century-- before any Democrat gets into the White House again. (Keep in mind here that we're talking about someone so fickle that Jimmy Carter will seem like Rambo in comparison.)
Hillary's best option for 2008 is for Bush to win re-election and continue doing the heavy lifting on the War on Terror (perhaps even taking care of both Iran and the NorKs in the next 4 years, though I doubt it), and then run against whoever the Republicans put up. Right now there's no telling who that might be, and I don't see any obvious contenders.
No, there's nothing wrong with your tinfoil hat. Nothing at all.
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Dave, if sKeery gets elected [shudder]--which I SERIOUSLY doubt is going to happen-- we may not be alive to vote for President in 2008, Dimocrat or Republican, because Kerry won't do squat to keep America from being attacked and threatens to do alot that will encourage our enemies to do so!
I'm not talking about what will happen, Jen; I'm talking about what the Clintons' conniving. Hillary wants to be President (I assume). She will want the best chance of winning. She will calculate in that evil, scheming little brain of hers that she will have the best chance of getting in the White House the quickest if Kerry is defeated. Therefore, she will scheme to get him defeated.
As to what will actually happen if Kerry wins this fall, here's a sampling of possibilities:
1) Israel has an "oh-shit!" epiphany and realizes they're on their own now, that America cannot be counted on to do anything about Iran's incipient nuclear threat. Before the last Florida ballots are even counted in the U.S. election, Iran gets reduced to a pool of radioactive slag by an Israeli pre-emptive nuclear strike.
2) China will (rightly) peg Kerry as a feckless wimp, and decide that 2005's gonna be showtime for Taiwan.
3) Li'l Kim the NorK similarly writes Kerry off as a loser, and promptly nukes Seoul.
4) Jihadis the world over are ecstatic to find that Osama bin Laden's "Mogadishu Principle" has been vindicated: bleed the Americans enough, and they will turn tail and run. (It might take an election to do the trick, though.)
I'm working on a more comprehensive list of the earthly delights that await us if we are stupid enough to elect John Kerry as our president; but these will suffice for now.
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Dave, as much as I hate to admit it, I can't argue with a bit of what you fear will happen...YIKES!
If this were a perfect world, you should have that copied and printed on the front page of every newspaper in this country because Americans need to be aware that is what we're up against in this election!
SEATTLE -- More than 150,000 denizens of the Northwest will gather this weekend in a waterfront park for Hempfest, billed as the largest promarijuana gathering in the country, to listen to speeches from the biggest names in the national drug-law reform movement between band sets and bong hits.
(inhale)"Woooow, groovy speech man!"(exhale)
But this year, attendees will hear an explicitly partisan message, too: Organizers are pushing pot smokers to help elect Senator John F. Kerry president. The size of Hempfest indicates the potential power of the pro-pot vote, particularly in the Northwest, reformers said. Organizers think that registering even a few thousand Hempfest attendees could make the difference in a close election. ''It is essential for our crowd to understand that there is nothing more important they can do for drug policy reform than to go out and cast their ballots in the Democratic box in November," said Dominic Holden, 27, a spokesman for the festival. The Kerry campaign and the festival organizers seemed wary of possibly tainting the campaign with countercultural associations that could turn off mainstream voters.
Heh, heh, heh, too late
The presence of Kerry volunteers at Hempfest, or the push by organizers to get smokers to the polls in November, should not be seen as an implicit endorsement of the Hempfest agenda by the Kerry campaign, Holden said. ''I wouldn't want to say that their agenda is our agenda," he said. ''With 150,000 politically aware people here, they would be fools not to come out and do voter registration."
Of course, they have to be aware enough to drag themselves away from the bong and go vote.
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And the center of attention, the Master of Ceremonies, their raison d'être will be: Mom.
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Dude, I was going to the voting place but I had to stop off for a Mountain Dew cause I was like soooo thirsty and then I got the munchies and went back to the store and got Cheetos and then I got a little sleepy and stuff and then the voting place was closed and stuff so I just said fuck it and watched Fear Factor and it was so cool cause this chick was eating bugs and shit.
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In the eyes of Alice Cooper, all the rock stars campaigning for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry are guilty of one thing: treason.....
"If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."
AMBUSH JOURNALISM...OR MY EVENING WITH CAVEMAN CHRIS MATTHEWS
By Michelle Malkin · August 20, 2004 02:34 AM
Here's a peek behind the cable TV curtain. It's not pretty.
Hit the link for the article.
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Me luv Michelle - she's tougher than nails, smarter than all the apologist screechers and their handlers put together, and very easy on the eyes. She's gonna be around for a long long time (I hope) and beware, cheesedicks, she's hot!
#3
I assume you're ribbing me about the "easy on the eyes" part, heh. Funny thing is I read her stuff on Townhall and elsewhere quite a while before she launched her own site or appeared on Fox. And thought she rocked. Her appearance is a plus that guarantees she'll get exposure in all mediums - which is a good thing: she's an anti-idiotarian par excellence!
And I'd hit Keith Olbermann with a right cross and a five iron - what a smug, condescending, arrogant egocentrick prick. His career's been downhill ever since he left SportsCenter (where he also was a smug, condescending, arrogant egocentrick prick). Congratulations, asshole. Allow me to further contribute to your nonexistent ratings, dickwad.
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My only hope is that Matthews invites Dean on again and they both have brain aneuryisms while going off on some hate tangent berating some conservative.
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Lol! I always read your posts because you come at issues from a slightly different direction than I do - I get instant stereoscopic depth - very cool! And Unix is cool, too! All things have their place and purpose - or the cruel and unsentimental market forces kill them off!
I found a nice shot of the righteous Ms Malkin here, an interview here with her background, and a site that proclaims she's a Libertarian here.
#8
Matthews proves once again that no one demolishes a strawman like he can. Something for which his colleage, Keith Olberman, has never been prouder, according to his own blog entry.
(Olberman's contribution to the culture has consisted of observing that a batted ball is deep and not likely to be playable.)
#9
Chris Matthews' treatment of guest Michelle Malkin last night on Hardball was appalling.
The world won't have an opportunity to learn whether what Ms. Malkin said was factual. Chris was so threatened by her ideas that we got a Matthews' fatwa to remove the guest so that her explanation could not be heard.
#11
I think Malkin beats Coulter hands down. It's not even a contest, really. And I'm not even talking about her looks.
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Ann Coulter is so ascerbic, that she can turn folks off with her rhetoric, no matter how true what she says is. Snide remarks sometimes come of as rude.
Michelle Malkin drives her opponents batty, like her "buddy" the "caveman" Matthews, because, there is a "Don't confuse me with the facts" situation when she debates. This is why Matthews tried to shut her down. And she gave it back as good as to took it.
The lady must have a little street-fighter in her.
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And by the way, NBC must have driven a dump truck full of $20 bills to get Dennis Miller to sign up on that g-dawful PMSNBC. Dennis, I don't care what your contract says, run for your life and get off that sinking ship.
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If she could get another waiver from to appear on Miller's show on MSNBC, she should. He would probably be sympathetic to the greusome way she was treated, and she could get her point to a different audience. . . .
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a site that proclaims she's a Libertarian
I think the site is wrong. Michelle Malkin is no libertarian. Here's a definition of libertarian: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Libertarian
For one thing she is very pro immigration control and law enforcement, and most libertarians are open borders folks, no gov't control of borders. She wrote the book entitled "Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores." Her latest book release is pretty controversial and hardly libertarian ... entitled "In defense of Internment: the case for "Racial Profiling" in WWII and the WOT".
Glenn Reynolds fits the Libertarian stereotype, not Michelle Malkin.
She is a conservative.
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Here is a link to her blog. She used to allow comments until some juvenile idiot starting posting nasty racist comments in her name.
#20
matthews and his roundmouth sidekick need to be chewed up by a billygoat...and shit off a cliff.
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Halfass Pete---The imagery of what you would like to have happen to Matthews is beyond anything I would have thought up today...*sigh*
On another note, Michelle carried herself well. Matthews and Co hang themselves by their own rope when they interrupt, try to manipulate and verbally abuse Michelle. Every instance of this further destroys their cause. Let them speak and maybe someone will listen. Of course, look at their ratings and you can see what their on-the-air style gets them.
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ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
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'Bout damned time they brought this to the forefront. The Kerry-ass-kissing media won't publicize his LIES to Congress about our military.
NYT spin and seething in 5, 4, 3...
Anyone know how we can donate to these folks to help pay for air time? (If not, I think Paul Gallanti still lives in Richmond; maybe I'll call him.)
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Link works fine, Sherry - so the Admins can cut that monster text URL...
This is where I have always been deeply and utterly offended that John Traitor Skeery draws breath, much less gets re-elected time after time to the fucking US Senate. This totally insane bullshit is exceptionally well documented and utterly undeniable. Any Vietnam Era Vet who votes for Skeery is simply a moron and fuckwit, unless he actually is a "war criminal." (In that case I suggest he shoot himself and that will provide relief. BTW, do it before you vote, asshole.)
#4
The DNC is spinning today that the Vets are retracting their 1st ad and using this one. Not quite true. The Ads follow the theme of O'Neills book. Part I Senator Horseface in Vietnam and Part II Hanoi John at work at home in the USA and Paris trashing the US military. No take back here from the Swifties at all....
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Barbara, www.swiftvets.com ...They accept MC Visa and AMEX. Put in $250 and get on the 527 list as a proud donor
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Much like McDonalds, I'm lovin' it!
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Barbara, go to Swift Vets and then click on the link to contribute.
I'm proud to have given them $25--Kerry's lies besmirching their service are a disgrace!
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This will surprise you but this ad is a strategic mistake. Let me explain why.
The biggest thing the Swiftvets have going for them is that they served with (or alongside) Kerry. So they knew him and what he really did in the war. They are the only ones who can question his image as a war hero, and they've been quite successful at that. They are witnesses, they were there.
This ad is different. It attacks Kerry for what he did after returning from Vietnam, attacking him as a traitor. But by doing this, they raise questions about their motivation. It will be much easier now for Kerry's supporters to attack the Vets, going like "Look, now you see they just hate Kerry so much for political reasons, they can only be lying about Kerry's medals. Anything is good for them to smear him."
This ad shouldn't have come from the Swift Vets. They should have stuck with what they personally witnessed about Kerry's "heroism". That's where they are most powerful.
This ad should have come from a different group. A group of twelve Vietnam Vets who were tortured in North Vietnam because they refused to smear the United States would have been perfect. They could have made a very powerful point.
Also President Bush should come forward and say that he doesn't endorse these ads. A president MUST stay above this. Nobody will be fooled of course, but that's how things have to be done.
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The commercial juxtaposes the words of John Kerry in his 1971 hearing with those of a couple of former POWs. (One of whom chaired the McCain for President Committee in Virginia a few years back.)
It is pretty powerful stuff. As John Kerry accuses his fellow veterans of warcrimes, going so far as to enumerate the crimes, one of the former POWs states that Kerry gave away for free the sort of thing that their captors made them sign off on as part of the torture.
With respect to spin, someone is already on the cable stations saying it is "interesting" that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have moved to the post-war activities of John Kerry. I think they'll be surprised when the SBVFT keep up the pressure on two fronts.
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I'm looking forward to the ads that outline the threats to the Vets' free speech by intimidation with lawyers, etc.
Start with the Dems demanding Bush release his records, clips of those white house sessions where the press made themselves look like starving hyenias fighting over the last crumb and cut to Kerry lawyers harrassing veterans and Kerry spokesmen explaining why Kerry won't release his records..when Bush did.
And then get some National Guard veterans and have them say how insulted they are that the Kerry campaign demeans their service as being no service at all.
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Larsonian check my comment in #4. It's just following the logical stream of the book.
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#12 - on the "cable stations saying it is 'interesting' that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have moved to the post-war activities of John Kerry."
I think it's much more than interesting. I think it was planned, and I think it's brilliant. Look at how when the Kerry campaign threatened TV stations with lawsuits. Turned out the SBVT had already sent out letters to the stations in their own defense.
Now that the first ad has Kerry saying the SBVT are liars, the very next day out comes a new ad with an incredibly different message, and a new chapter of the book put online (a chapter that, "coincidentally," happens to be about Kerry's postwar lies about war crimes).
I believe that so far the SBVT campaign had been meticulously planned and perfectly executed. I can hardly wait to see what they come up with next. Karl Rove could learn many lessons from these guys.
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The photograph, displayed in a room dedicated to foreign activists who contributed to the Communist victory in the Vietnam War, shows Senator John Kerry being greeted by Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam
You may have a good point about this type of ad being effective:...A group of twelve Vietnam Vets who were tortured in North Vietnam because they refused to smear the United States would have been perfect.
But I would respectfully disagree with you here: This ad... attacks Kerry for what he did after returning from Vietnam, attacking him as a traitor. But by doing this, they raise questions about their motivation.
It may well raise questions about their motivation, but it shines a very bright spotlight on Kerry's Achilles Heel. It exposes how he underwent a change of conscience at some point in the Vietnam War-a change of conscience that may well have rendered him incapable of ever again using military force when necessary. A change of conscience that made him brave enough to confront the government about what he thought was wrong, but cowardly enough to do it as a media event while his brothers were still neck-deep in the war. It's important to know these things about a potential president.
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TGA: Also President Bush should come forward and say that he doesn't endorse these ads. A president MUST stay above this. Nobody will be fooled of course, but that's how things have to be done.
Bush has called for the end of ALL the 527 ads, and him and his campaign have repeatedly stated they will not attack Kerry's service. In fact, it may be illegal for him to ask them to stop, since it's an absolute requirement for the 527 groups to NOT be coordinated with any campaigns.
Kerry, in contrast, first slapped at the latest MoveOn ads, then recanted and said they were OK with him.
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jules, don't get me wrong here... I'm trying to take into question the counterattack, nothing else.
Both ads are valid. But they'd be more powerful if they came from different groups.
The second one is even more important. Whether Kerry earned his purple hearts for minor injuries is not that relevant for his presidency, even if he's embellishing the point.
His actions in 1971 go right to the heart of the matter though.
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Yep, agreed that it's following the tone of the book. What is "interesting" to me is that the spinners don't have anything of substance to say other than "it is interesting that..." *heh*
The spinroom doesn't know what to do with this. They're trying to keep the ads from running. They're trying to get the book--#1 seller on Amazon.com--pulled (already posted all over the 'burg). They've tried to slime them personally--they will try harder in the days ahead--but they haven't even tried to refute the substance of these ads.
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Hey TGA, that's interesting. I'll have to double check my order, because they initially said that it shipped, but since I ordered some other items maybe THEY shipped and NOT the Kerry book.
When I ordered it on the 16th, the page indicated 24 hour shipping for "Unfit"... hmmm
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sounds like the publisher got a bigger order than he expected - or the distributer can't keep up with the demand.
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It exposes how he underwent a change of conscience at some point in the Vietnam War-a change of conscience that may well have rendered him incapable of ever again using military force
Its my understanding that Kerry's commencement address in 1966 (at Yale) was very critical of then Pres. Johnson and the Vietnam war. He was *always* anti-war.
Note also (from Unfit for Command):
1) Kerry originally petitioned his draft board for a student deferrment (to study in Paris) and was turned down.
2) Kerry enlisted in the Naval Reserve and not the Navy itself.
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Even though it was expected, I am amazed at the feeding frenzy - at how the MSM is really going after the SBVT. They're obsolutely unhinged! They've already willingly exposed their bias by openly backing sKerry, but a Bush victory will also illustrate how ineffective and IRRELEVANT they've become And then, the meltdown will truly begin. There isn't enough popcorn in all the world for that! Better start hoarding now
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mmmmmm popcorn
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Barnes & Noble ships in 24 hours.... Amazon in 5 to 7 weeks?
#29
Wow, CrazyFool, that's interesting. I'd love to see the text from that speech to see just what his mindset was in 1966. If out-and-out opposition to the military as such appeared in the Yale speech, it could prove veerrrry useful.
#33
The more Kerry fights this, using surrogates for totalitarian-like censorship, the more these vets fight back.
O'Neill is relating more and more creepy stories about Munchausen-Kerry (just now on Hannity eg),
like Kerry's claim in the 1971 Senate hearing that he killed farm animals is true.
How can we ensure the Cabal now report this without editorializing? Can we contact sponsors of Rather-Brokaw-Jennings evening shows, ask that they remove sponsorship unless the whole story is told? What do we do?
Amazon also had a problem with staffers posting fake reviews and changing the title of the book. Somebody said B&N ships in 24 hours?
Time to place an order...
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Given that Amazon's had problems with their staff editing the data for "Unfit for Command", I wonder if there's been some shenanigans with their stock levels.
ESPECIALLY since Barnes and Noble just confirmed they'll be shipping my copy Monday. Either B&N ordered a TON more, or there's something wrong at Amazon.
I actually complained to Amazon last week about their staff editing the data for Unfit for Command, but never heard back from them. Given that, and my suspicion about the reasons for their stock problems, I've shifted ALL my book orders over to B&N.
Once I get my copy of Unfit, I'm going to write Amazon again, explaining to them why they've lost my business.
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"This ad shouldn't have come from the Swift Vets. They should have stuck with what they personally witnessed about Kerry's "heroism". That's where they are most powerful."
TGA, I was in the Army when Kerry smeared his fellow servicemen in that Senate testimony. I saw the effect John Kerry's lies had on those in my unit who had been to Vietnam and served honorably and bravely.
The ad characterizes the effect of Kerry's smears against his fellow soldiers as "devastating."
Believe me, that is an understatement. A GROSS understatement.
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TGA, I disagree that this will backfire. The torture of U.S prisoners by the North was well documented and NOBODY is going to question them or their motives. To do so would be political suicide. I hope that the DNC tries to stop this one, it will drive the centrists to the right in a hurry.
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TGA - in the ad one of the vets recounts his torture by the NV's, and that Kerry's testimony was used to motivivate them to "confess" to war crimes.
#42
Well I'll believe you on that then. The German press seems to be rather reserved on that issue and prefers to see this all as an example for "dirty campaigning"... but without really going into details.
I'll get a copy of the book in a few days, so that will make comments easier.
#43
Old Spook, I noticed that, and this aspect should absolutely be worked out more.
To be tortured is terrible, but to be tortured by the betrayal of your own kind is devastating.
The Soviets used these dirty tricks all the time. But we knew that the "confessions" they held against us were obtained by torture. To learn that somebody would willingly give them information (and lies) to use against us is the hardest thing.
Too bad that John McCain has nothing to say about it.
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TGA, the German press understands, as does the U. S. press that this is an out of body experience from which Kerry may not recover. That is why they, like the U. S. press are "reserved."
I was not in the military and I was and remain in the middle and both sides on Vietnam. It was gray. It still has a lot of gray. It was a gray time. But I remember Kerry's medal tossing and testimony and I thought he was a slime then and still do. A lot of my generation and those younger have no recollection of that testimony. Now they will be refreshed.
In that regard, I think it is interesting that they chose to show a picture of Kerry with the audio of his testimony. Now that will be followed up on the news by replays of his testimony with voice and video together, reaching a broader audience than the ad.
This and the follow-ups, already in the can, will be devastating to Kerry. The only silver lining is that we may put Vietnam behind us domestically, though I doubt it.
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take it from an American TGA..this one won't backfire. If Kerry attacks the POWs, he's history.
My liberal friends will still vote for Kerry.. to vote for Bush would be sacrilege, but they are become less bellicose in their support for him. They are embarrassed to say they support Kerry.
It's not a good sign for Kerry. Al Gore had far more support at this stage of the game, and it's only going to get worse for Kerry.
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Just read in Unfit that while Kerry was making his claims and meeting with the North Vietmanese (in '71 and '72) he was still in the Naval Reserve - but 'Inactive'. Not in 'standby' inactive but plain 'inactive'.
treason ['trez-en]: Anglo-French treison crime of violence against a person to whom allegiance is owed, literally, betrayal, from Old French traïson, from traïr to betray, from Latin tradere to hand over, surrender. The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war. Specific: The act of levying war against the United States or adhering to or giving aid and comfort to its enemies by one who owes it allegiance.
CrazyFool notes: Kerry was making his claims and meeting with the North Vietmanese (in '71 and '72) he was still in the Naval Reserve - but 'Inactive'. Not in 'standby' inactive but plain 'inactive'.
But, if he was meeting with these guys then, the war was still going on, because the Paris peace talks were ongoing and the peace agreement between the United States, North Vietnam, and South Vietnam wasnât signed until Jan. 27, 1973.
"Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.
The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.
In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S."
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I hope that will be the subject of a future SBVT advertisement.
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TGA - I wouldn't begin to guess correctly how politics works at the grass roots level there, even if I lived in germany as an ex-pat. Same is true here. Kerry's toast....it's just the roasting time in question, and the longer he waits to do an "OK, here's what really happened" open-question press conference just let's the infection deepen and claim other limbs (NYTimes, anyone?)
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08/20/2004 22:41 Comments ||
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TGA, you wrote: I guess this won't be "helpful" for Kerry then: "Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.
EXACTLY! I remember thinking (in High School) how sad it was that the U.S. was just cutting and running from Vietnam -- although Nixon did get us out of there rather artfully (and the South Vietnamese could have held down the fort at that time). Now, to learn that our own countrymen were undermining those efforts. It is too much. The b@st@!d sKerry should be drawn and quartered -- after being hung.
McCain is the last member of the "Keating Five" in the Senate, so it is all about the money for him. He used to hate Kerry as much as any other vet, until Dishonest John sat him down in the early 90's and got him involved in business ventures in Vietnam.
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08/20/2004 23:11 Comments ||
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It looks like the conservative "Die Welt" is on to the story:
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Lol - I love how everyone assumes Skeery had integrity to be damaged. If you look at this guy, from the moment he enlisted until today, and reasoned it out - you'd have to conclude the entire 4 decades are a script. How to go from squirrely diplokid to political glory. He has taken each step with such naked calculation and ambition that it's impressive - assuming you recognize the lack of integrity such a life-plan entails. Pretty amazing.
#56
Absolutely correct, TGA. Sigh. No one ever asks the little people - y'know, the ones who actually know what they're doing. I've got 17 domains at present, myself. Had over 60 at one time. Sold a few and that paid for the whole snarky fun mess, lol!
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Lol - part of why I'm here, instead of there, heh. I topped out at about 100 unique visitors per day while blogging from SA. Then one of the visitors was the Saudi firewall IP. They didn't ban me, but they would have eventually if I hadn't quit. Luckily - they didn't connect the blog to my IP in-Kingdom, heh.
#59
There is a good reason for why I am here. This is probably the best political blog on the web, and one where any decent intelligent poster is welcome. This is quite a rarity.
Hey and there is even space for Mucky's Shakespearean essays... and dotcoms pretty pictures :-)
AND it saves me an assistant to pay for doing the important press clippings :-)
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My favorite quote is this : When I read âTour of Dutyâ, I became concerned because the material on Kerryâs time on GRIDLEY appeared in many instances to be exaggerations and in some cases figments of an overactive imagination.
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This certainly lays the groundwork for his Swiftboat fables and do-it-yourself medals. People like Kerry were responsible for a general devaluation in the perception of medals to the point that the only ones that were respected were the AF/Navy/Distinguished Service Cross and the Medal of Honor. (Most of those were posthumous awards).
Democratic challenger John Kerry has fallen into a statistical tie with President George W. Bush among voters nationwide, relinquishing a lead Kerry had after the Democratic National Convention last month, a CBS poll found.
Kerry, 60, a four-term Massachusetts senator, is supported by 46 percent of voters to 45 percent for Bush, within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The survey of 835 registered voters conducted Aug. 15-18 found independent candidate Ralph Nader backed by 1 percent. Kerry led Bush by 5 percentage points in a July 30-Aug. 1 poll, CBS said. Kerry's support among veterans fell 9 percentage points from the earlier poll, CBS said, down to 37 percent from 46 percent. Kerry today criticized advertisements being aired by a group of veterans that questions whether he deserved the three Purple Hearts, Silver Star and Bronze Star he was awarded during the Vietnam War. ``I think that veterans are beginning to learn that while John Kerry has voted against the weapons systems and body armor that our troops need to win the war on terror, President Bush has provided historic support for our military and our veterans,'' Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said. A call to the Kerry campaign seeking comment was not immediately returned.
They're too busy looking for a shower rod.
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Nation wide, people are also starting to take a closer look at his voting record and his flip flops and thinking, "I don't like Bush, but this guy is a weirdo!"
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Should W win in a landslide, will all these pollsters admit that 1. they are stupid, 2. they are biased, or 3. Bush stole the election!
You make the call.
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They will of course claim 3) Bush stole the election with the help of Cheeney and Delbold (or whoever makes the electronic voting machines).
Oh, and the man on the grassy knoll too!
God forbid that they admit that their polls are wrong.
I think a lot of people are looking at the SwiftVets ad, reading the book (if they can find int), reviewing Kerry's record vs what is he saying, and making their own decisions. Which is how it should work.
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4021 is correct. Instapundit demonstrated how Kerry's popularity was inversely proportional to his visibility in the media. But it is going to be hard for him to disappear for a week or two between now and the election. When will the Democrats learn not to nominate Massachusetts liberals?
On a related note, if anyone finds out where the old man is hiding the Norwegian-Iranian porn star, please let me know.
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I think in the long run the Dems would have been better off with Dean. He had passion, and consistancy. Yeah he was a bit nutty from my point of view but he would have captured the left without trying and could have positioned himself on foreign policy better than Kerry is managing.
For example Dean could have said the war in Iraq has made things more dangerous for the US and had his own statements and stuff to prove he's always felt that way. Kerry is caught in the middle.
Dean had some fiscal claims of balancing the budget that although questionable are significantly better than anything Kerry has and they would have made the budget conscious conservatives think a lot about Bush's bloated budget.
In the grand scheme of things Dean would have lost, but he would have lost being himself and not trying to be whomever it took to be elected.
Link is to PDF file at johnkerry.com of the records of his Purple Hearts, Silver Star and Bronze Star. If you look at the signature on the Bronze Star citation you'll find it was signed by Secretary of the Navy John Lehman. Lehman was secretary of the Navy from 1981 to 1987. Padding the record or changing history? Hat tip to Daily Pundit.
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This was brought up last night on cable, think it was on Lou Dobbs or something. Kerry, it was alleged, lost his citation and asked to have a new one issued. Don't know if Kerry gave Lehman the narrative on this one though.
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Common practice for vets to ask for replacement medals and certificates (when they lose them). My Mom had to do the same thing when she applied for Vet benefits. Yes my mom wore combat boots at one time. They may hae just reaccomplished a new certificate using the original in his official records. But I am just speculating on this.
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I'm (mostly) ignoring all the questions surrounding Kerry and whether or not he deserves his medals. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he earned them properly.
But throwing them back while in the process of smearing your mates and fellow soldiers by accusing them of murder and rape of innocents makes you a world-class piece of shit, John Kerry!
Nuff said.
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08/20/2004 12:25 Comments ||
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is it just me, or is Kerry really imploding on a grand scale?
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08/20/2004 14:26 Comments ||
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Steve you get the medal for most important post today!
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How can you save every letter that you wrote to your mom from Vietnam and piece them together into Tour of Duty yet not have your medal citations in a shoe box in a closet. Didn't lose any Super 8 footage did he? Didn't lose the Rolodex full of every dude he served with for a day and a half in country either. How do you lose your medal citations when you carry your lucky hat in your breifcase?
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08/20/2004 17:16 Comments ||
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The Kerry campaign calls on a publisher to 'withdraw book' written by group of veterans, claiming veterans are lying about Kerry's service in Vietnam and operating as a front organization for Bush. Kerry campaign has told Salon.com that the publisher of UNFIT FOR COMMAND is 'retailing a hoax'... 'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,' Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton tells the online mag... Developing...
Why don't you just have the Swiftboat vets "disappeared", Senator?
I confess that I'm starting to fear for the Bill of Rights if Senator Kerry is elected.
Perhaps they could burn the books publicly. That'd get their message across...
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Evidence? Lets see your evidence! Why dont you open up your military record and show us the evidence Senator? You only have to fill out one form!
Funny how, to liberals, 1st admendment rights only apply to liberals.
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Man oh man, the arrogance of the Left is just breathtaking. I hope the publisher answers this demand with a hearty-- and public-- "Fuck you!" to the Kerrycrats.
You know what really pisses me off? It's the persistent stereotype of conservatives as repressive totalitarians constantly seeking to deprive people of their civil liberties-- when it is the Left which demonstrates again and again that it, not the right, has no respect for our freedoms.
I apologize to all, for having once been a Democrat. What the hell could I have been thinking...
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08/20/2004 10:32 Comments ||
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It's ok Dave. Being a Democrat isn't a crime. Pandering to the liberal, communist, totalitarian, hypocritical, but try to pass themselves off as mainstream American democrats is.
#8
Foolish move by desperate people! Smell the fear?
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08/20/2004 10:43 Comments ||
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Truman/JFK/Scoop Jackson Democrats should be proud of their party heritage. But the party of Mikey and Howie and Jimmah has nothing in common with this heritage.
Time for a truly centrist party that's serious about national security, committed to free trade and low deficits, and not in thrall to our own home-grown religious wackos.
Start a new centrist party that appeals to the millions of disgusted moderates in both these corrupt, incompetent parties. A pox on both parties. Neither Mikey nor Mel. Spread the word!
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Its very carefully worded. They aren't calling for the book to be banned, just sort of calling for the publisher to stop publishing the book (which is #3 on NY Times bestseller list) without providing any evidence that its full of lies.
If Kerry was serious he should sue, but I don't think he has a case so he's making these half-threats and trying to peer pressure the publisher into silencing itself for him.
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'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,' Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton tells the online mag...
This all so stupid, just like the efforts to get Fat Ass Moore's stupid crockumentary booted from various theaters.
If there are "falsehoods" in the book, then PROVE THEM WRONG. If they can't be proven wrong, then shut your damn trap and take it like a man, you little wussy.
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And I don't support McCain, the pompous flake who brought us this disastrous, absurd non-reform called McCain-Feingold. Wipe the slate clean.
Organize at the grass roots. Sweep the religious nuts and the trial lawyer/public employee idiots out of local and state office and build up a national movement with new blood.
The most fertile territory lies in the huge states that are considered write-offs by each party: appeal to California and NY Republicans and Texas Democrats. And then sweep the libertarian votes in the mountain states, the northeast and the Pacific northwest.
The final part of the equation is to bring into our political process the most rapidly-growing, and most consistently misunderstood or ignored, groups in US society: latino and Asian immigrants. These types don't give a shit about the religious right's agenda, but they also hate protectionism and could not care less about our relations with Europe. By talking up free trade and expanded immigration (for anyone with a college degree), and by shifting the foreign policy focus to the Pacific Rim and Asia generally, we could attract enough latino and Asian voters to tip the balance across Calif, Texas, NY, AZ, CO, NM and perhaps Florida and as well.
Anyway, it's far better than the current miserable choice. A plague on both your houses
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Yes just ban the book, make it disappear. Sort of like his great novel from 1971 The New Soldier. This is becoming more worrisome because now we have the entire liberal press and media backing this shit from Senator Horseface and his Dimwits..
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I'm w/ya lex. However, I'd put a hold on any immigration until we fix that big hole on our own southern border.
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The sales on UNFIT for Command is going to soar over this supposed ban threat. I wish I could get PR like what Kerry and his idiots are giving this cause.
The name of the marketing game is BUZZ, good or bad, so thanks Kerry losers.
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Easily solved, Jarhead. Limit immigration to anyone with a college degree. Bring on the Asians; keep Mexicans at current level.
Key point here is to get back to a core idea that once upon a time was dear to both parties: ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. And advance a new idea that neither party seems to grasp: ASIAN CENTURY. The Atlantic Alliance is dead, has been for 13 years. Focus intensely on China India Turkey Russia. Quit wasting so much precious bandwidth on can't-help, can't-hurt Eurabians.
To help move the dime on this, we should encourage as many as possible of our talented young Asian-Americans to go into State and CIA and other Exec agencies and replace the corrupt old Euro-centric and Arabist hacks clogging those agencies.
"Now they're banning books! Censorship! More crushing of dissent in John AshKKKroft's AmeriKKKa! We don't have a democracy any more! It's that Patriot Act, I tells ya--"
"But, uh, this is John Kerry's campaign trying to get books banned. John Ashcroft gots nothin' to do with it."
"Oh, oh, why didn't you say so in the first place. John Kerry, he's one of the good guys, so if he wants a book banned, I'm down with it."
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Hi everybody. Been gone awhile . . .
Re: Kerry--for whoever's interested: I'm not on an election rampage, I'm not slinging rhetoric or insults, and I'm not exaggerating, and maybe everyone already has noticed this, but --
Kerry sounds a lot like Adolf Hitler. Seriously. It's a bit surprising, but if you compare sound clips/speech modalities/delivery, there is a most startling similarity in approach and psychological motivation. He's a dangerous man--and again, I'm not being emotional. It's a rational observation.
Of course, his censorship tactic is just one more outward proof of his totalitarian leanings. Kerry wants to win the presidency to prove to himself (and "the world") that HE is IMPORTANT, as an individual. His campaign has nothing to do with public service, leading the free world, or our national priorities.
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My copy of "Unfit for Command" shipped from Amazon today. Yippie!
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'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,'....
So "Tour of Duty" gets yanked? Or is the First Amendment only for Liberals and their ilk?
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'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,'....
There goes Stupid White Men, I guess.
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Well let's see the Dim strategy so far
1) Sue TV stations that show the Swifty ads
2) Ban the book
3) Blame Bush
4) Not denounce their own 527's (wink wink ok guys I'm running out of money time for an infusion)
5) Get Chris Matthews to work harder
6) Mass publish the Brown books
7)mmm I guess someone will rush to press something like Bush visited a massage parlor in (pick a date whatever).
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08/20/2004 12:41 Comments ||
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Hell, I FULLY support the Democrats in their effort. Then again so does the publisher. I just ordered my copy yesterday. I'm sure many others will be soon too. Way to go Dems push it straight to the top of the best seller list!
Dunno about his speaking style, but let's look at some other things...
o Relatively low-rank in a war that ended with a bitter nation feeling betrayed.
o Highly decorated, though no one's ever claimed Hitler didn't earn his.
o Sends out thugs to disrupt meetings of competing politicians. Kerry's got people out trying to keep Nader off the ballot, and has a swarm of thugs threatening violence at the RNC.
Now, he's no Hitler -- I don't think he's a monster -- but he's a thug. I don't want a thug in the White House.
In a related bit, Roger Simon's a bit worried about what might happen to bloggers who have been pushing this story. I think he's right to be worried; if the Donks are willing to send thugs out to intimidate Nader petitioners, what will they do to try to shut up the Swift Vet story? If the "unassociated radicals" (conveniently funded by the same loons that fund the Donks themselves) are ready to commit violence at the RNC, what will they do if Kerry loses?
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Highly decorated, though no one's ever claimed Hitler didn't earn his.
Historical note, and someone please fill in the blanks if my information is wrong:
Wasn't Hitler a communications runner for an infantry unit, a fella who either ran messgaes between commanders or who dispatched runners?
My understanding of this task was it was a terribly dangerous task especially when an enemy is manuevering to attack. All your other comrades in arms were relatively safe hugging the ground, but there you are running with a message an enemy commander would give his left arm to read, a high priority target if ever there was one in WWI.
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My understanding of this task was it was a terribly dangerous task especially when an enemy is manuevering to attack
badnov...at least that's how Hitler spun it :-) For all we know he was a coffee boy.
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Actually, on second thought, that's kind of interesting. Kerry's duty was very dangerous as well. Maybe there's something in narcissists that makes them feel emboldened and entitled by actually being forced to risk their lives....
or maybe they just get lots of mileage out of the respect that comes from having been in that situation. Respect they capitalize on over, and over and over again.
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Has anyone gotten a comment from Howard Dean? I'm sure he's terribly disappointed with this tactic, given his accusation during the convention that the Republicans were planning to burn books.
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TomAnon. The Bard really knew how to cut to the bone.
lex, I'm not for religious wackos either. No grape cool-aid for me but could you put a name to the wackos you refer to. I know Pat Robertson is a posterboi on that subject but I think he's not really much of a problem. I do remember McCain banging his head against the religious right in his run for prez. It was his undoing and exposed him to me as unfit for the post.
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The final part of the equation is to bring into our political process the most rapidly-growing, and most consistently misunderstood or ignored, groups in US society: latino and Asian immigrants.
The only reason that Latino numbers are considered to be rapidly growing is because a ton of them slink across the southern border every damn day, and the illegal aspect of their presence is either ignored, buried, or whitewashed (think of the term "undocumented"). Once past the border area, where they would be immediately sent back if caught, they have little fear of being discovered, least of all deported. They end up having multiple kids on American soil -- who are now conveniently American citizens -- and voila! Growth in the numbers of Latinos! And as these kids grow up, the multiculturalists keep stressing that foreign culture is a virtue, American culture sucks to high heaven, and it isn't difficult to see in which direction this is heading.
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Amazon.com claims that it will take them 5-7 weeks to get a copy of "Unfit for Command" out...What's up with that?
(Barnes and Noble, where it's also at #1, says it's immediately available.)
Are they just that overwhelmed with buyers--it's been at Number One for 2 weeks--or have the Kerry people gotten to Regnery Publishing or what?
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Wasn't Hitler a communications runner for an infantry unit, a fella who either ran messgaes between commanders or who dispatched runners?
I'm reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" right now, and I think that's right. I can't remember what exactly he got his Iron Cross for, but I do know when the war ended he was in the hospital recovering from a gas attack.
Jen -- They were overwhelmed with orders. When I ordered mine, there was no mention of a wait; once it was published, they must have run out quick.
NB -- I believe the royalties are going into airing the ads. Heh.
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Actually, on second thought, that's kind of interesting. Kerry's duty was very dangerous as well. Maybe there's something in narcissists that makes them feel emboldened and entitled by actually being forced to risk their lives.... or maybe they just get lots of mileage out of the respect that comes from having been in that situation. Respect they capitalize on over, and over and over again.
Actually, Hitler during the war constantly referred to his experiences in WWI to his generals. Some staff officers in memoirs scoffed at his referring to his experiences as partucularly relevent to the situation. For instance, when commanders during the Soviet Counteroffensive protested the stand fast orders because the ground was so cold and iron-hard ( to use the actual term written by Col Seaton ) and riflemen could not even dig in, Hitler chimed in with the remark soldiers should use artillery or hand grenades to open the ground, ignoring the fact that a grenade was more likely to give a unit's position away to Soviet sound ranging parties than to dig anything deeper than a golf divot in the ground.
All this illutrates that Hitler, like Kerry, took lessons from his combat exoeriences, all of which were irrelevent to the current situation.
Disclaimer: Not saying Kerry eq Hilter. Just saying in regards to their respective combat experiences these men semed to have taken their experiences and misapplied them in their lives. Maybe a personality disorder. WHo knows?
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ex-lib: Kerry--for whoever's interested: I'm not on an election rampage, I'm not slinging rhetoric or insults, and I'm not exaggerating, and maybe everyone already has noticed this, but -- Kerry sounds a lot like Adolf Hitler. Seriously. It's a bit surprising, but if you compare sound clips/speech modalities/delivery, there is a most startling similarity in approach and psychological motivation. He's a dangerous man--and again, I'm not being emotional.
I think the Hitler comparison is stretched. Way stretched. Hitler was a magnetic speaker, with the best facets of both Clinton and Reagan combined, and then some. Hitler was a bona fide war hero. Kerry is neither of these. Hitler was in paramilitary organizations that kidnapped and tortured to death thousands of his opponents. Finally, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, advocating a Final Solution, way before he became chancellor. Kerry is no Hitler, from the standpoint of outstanding personal characteristics or the standpoint of his evil intentions. (Note that the bad guys are generally extremely brave - no one can say that the 8 million Germans or the 1.2m Japanese who died in WWII were cowards). Here's a chronology of Hitler's war service:
Feb 14 Screened for Austrian Military Service; Found Unfit
Aug 14 Hitler petitions to serve in Bavarian forces despite Austrian Citizenship
16 Aug 14 Hitler volunteers for 16th Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment, also known as the List Regiment after its commander
8 Oct 14 Hitler takes oath to King Ludwig III of Bavaria
29 Oct 14 Sees first action 5 miles east of Ypres
Nov 14 Unit near Messines; Assigned war-long role as headquarters messenger
Dec 14 Awarded Iron Cross 2nd Class; Refuses to participate in Christmas Truce
1915 Hitler promoted to Lance Corporal; participates in several actions in Artois Sector
7 Oct 16 Wounded in leg at the Somme; Hitler then spends two months at military hospital in Beelitz near Berlin
Early 17 On light duty after being wounded
1 Mar 17 Returns to Regiment at Front in Picardy
Summer 17 List Regiment returns to Ypres Salient
31 July 17 Battle of Passchendaele begins
Fall 17 Regiment rested in Alsace
Late 17/Early 18 Regiment sent to Oise/Aisne Sector
Mar 18 Operating near Montdidier
Aug 18 Awarded Iron Cross 1st Class for service since 1914 as messenger
28 Sep 18 Incident involving Henry Tandy, VC
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Oct 18 Regiment back in Ypres Sector
13 Oct 18 Gassed and temporarily blinded near Wervicq
Oct 18 Recovering his sight at Pasewalk, Germany, Hitler witnesses naval mutineers
11 Nov 18 At news of armistice; Hitler reacts bitterly
#39
The Kerry and Hitler comparisons are overstretched - way overstretched. Hitler was a politician of rare ability who managed to rally a nation that had been defeated (in WWI) with millions of dead into another war (WWII) where they lost another 10 million dead. The victors of WWI (Britain, France and the US) were so scarred by the experience that they shrank from a defensive war until it was too late. But Hitler managed to get Germany behind him to reach for one last throw of the dice. Kerry can't even get liberals firmly behind him, never mind America.
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#35 - Jen: Are they just that overwhelmed with buyers--it's been at Number One for 2 weeks--or have the Kerry people gotten to Regnery Publishing or what?
Let not your heart be troubled, Jen. I don't think there's any way possible Regnery will cave. I would bank on "overwhelmed/trying to get product". Same thing happened with Hugh Hewitt's book a month or so ago. A great book, by the way. Buy one for the Undecided or Protest Voter in your life.
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The Kerry and Hitler comparisons are overstretched - way overstretched. Hitler was a politician of rare ability who managed to rally a nation that had been defeated (in WWI) with millions of dead into another war (WWII) where they lost another 10 million dead. The victors of WWI (Britain, France and the US) were so scarred by the experience that they shrank from a defensive war until it was too late. But Hitler managed to get Germany behind him to reach for one last throw of the dice. Kerry can't even get liberals firmly behind him, never mind America.
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I agree with eLarson. There is no way anybody would stop publishing a runaway bestseller like that. Especially not in a market that supports plenty of, um, "questionable" I Hate Bush⢠novels books currently on the shelves. Michael Moore, anyone? Stuart Smalley? Richard Clarke? etc etc
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badanov: Lesson learned. Thanks, Zhang Fei. Will there be a quiz on this later?
My point was that Hitler was a mass murderer with outstanding personal honor, whereas Kerry is merely a lying liberal with lousy personal honor (i.e. he was a coward, lied about atrocities to smear his compatriots, et al). No similarity at all.
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Zhang -- I agree; I said Kerry is no monster. He is simply a thug.
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Oh, and about the Kerry campaign letters (and now a complaint to the FEC!) -- if Kerry had anything to do with them, even as little as saying "Yes, go ahead", he should withdraw from the race and resign from the Senate. Anyone that thin-skinned has no place in office, and anyone that intent on quashing free expression has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution.
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Cheers, eLarson!
I've already got Hewitt's book and I have Unfit for Command on order (I pre-ordered it 3 weeks ago) and it's supposed to come between today and Tuesday.
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Robert Crawford: Hitler was pretty much a "thug" too. Thugs with an excess of personal drive often become the "monsters" of history. Time will tell, and hopefully, Kerry won't get a chance to realize his higher amibitions, whatever they may be. But working hard like he is , trying to ban books and silence dissent is not a good sign, and it isn't very American.
Next: I knew people would pitch a fit over my comparison in #20, because at first glance, I know it seems a bit over the top. But I'm not advocating a direct comparison re: life history/activities/ circumstances/accomplishments as being "the same" between them. That would be silly. And I'm not saying Kerry is an adherent of eugenics, although he might be, with his far fringe support of partial-birth abortion and abortion in general, which has direct roots in the eugenics movement of Hitler's time. I'm not saying Kerry is a "Hitler," per se.
What I am saying, is that when listening to Kerry's speeches, I found a striking similarity--something in the sound, the delivery, the base of motivation, and it freaked me out, because I certainly wasn't expecting it. You have to admit he's pretty darn commited to gaining personal political power. In a different time, a different age . . . who knows what he might have done.
Anyway, I restate that I believe Kerry wants to win the presidency to prove to himself (and "the world") that HE is IMPORTANT, as an individual, and that he "knows" how best to run the would. His campaign, and his desire to be president has nothing to do with public service, leading the free world, or our (actual and crucial) national priorities. I don't even think he's that big on supporting the aims and interests of his party. He also keeps talking about an "agenda for America" but never elaborates.
Zhang Fei: I found your assertion that Hitler was a man with "outstanding personal honor" overstretched--way overstretched. His military "accomplishments" were stepping stones toward poltical domination and the actualization of his very questionable personal needs.
Robert Crawford said: " . . . About the Kerry campaign letters (and now a complaint to the FCC!) -- if Kerry had anything to do with them, even as little as saying "Yes, go ahead", he should withdraw from the race and resign from the Senate. Anyone that thin-skinned has no place in office, and anyone that intent on quashing free expression has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution."
That is completely right-on, and I totally agree. The first thing thuggish dictators do is to quash dissent. He is a trip, to be sure.
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BegrüÃen Sie der Fuehrer, Kerry! Sein Wille und Erfahrung können nicht bezweifelt werden! Lieutenant, burn these books. NOW! And these Swift Vets . . . . send them to the Gulag. Does anyone else have questions about Commander Kerry? I didnât think so.
Yikes, Bush better be careful about what he says during the debates . . .
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I am sure that the publisher did his homework, worked with his lawyers, etc etc before he pushed the Publish button. I will have to obtain a copy. Interviews that I heard so far with O'Neal point to pretty rigorious documentation and footnoting. Obviously more rigorous than a MM documentary.
Bryan---Kerry cannot issue a Fatwa, as he is a Catholic, well sort of......
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AP - Mebbe he can order a Catheter... uh, um, nevermind...
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Maybe we can have a corner of Rantburg real estate donated by Fred. Then we can set up a WoT book club and have discussion groups and chat and a message board and book ads and.....hmmmmmm, maybe not........
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I want a Dangling Conversation. Everything here is so pithy and real. Sometimes you just hanker for some bloviation, know what I mean?
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ex-lib: I found your assertion that Hitler was a man with "outstanding personal honor" overstretched--way overstretched. His military "accomplishments" were stepping stones toward poltical domination and the actualization of his very questionable personal needs.
Bravery on the battlefield is bravery on the battlefield. Whether these were stepping stones or not does not detract from Hitler's accomplishments on the battlefield. Not everything is political. Bravery is bravery - even for the jihadis our boys are currently fighting. For a liberal, everything is a matter of political context. I don't think that way. If a Nazi fought to the death rather than surrender, he was a brave man. Period. Note that Hitler had no fear of death - he committed suicide rather than be paraded like a circus animal, unlike Saddam, who surrendered rather than lose his life. This is what I mean by personal honor - Hitler had loads, and Saddam had none.
A number of the combat commanders, fellow officers and other men who served with Sen. John Kerry in Vietnam challenge his accounts of combat heroism in a new book, "Unfit for Command" (Regnery Publishing), by John E. O'Neill, who took over command of Swift Boat PCF 94 from Lt. Kerry, and Jerome R. Corsi, who has written extensively about the Vietnam War protest movement. Each of these excerpts from "Unfit for Command" includes comparisons of Mr. Kerry's earlier published accounts to recollections of others who served with him.
Second of three excerpts
John Kerry invented a "war hero" persona in his private journals and in the home movies he filmed and staged in Vietnam. Playing the lead role, he developed a past intended to advance his future political ambitions.
In reality, Kerry was regarded by his Navy peers as reckless with human life.
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Pretty damning material. Very sobering. Even if you are not a Bush supporter you should read this article.
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I wonder if Teresa will enter the next cooking contest with "Rice In Buttocks" -- I understand its a proven medal winner and a ticket home.
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I agree with Mike - lets keep domestic politics except for when it has a direct bearing on WoT on page 2. Hey, wait a minute! Kerry being elected Potus will have a direct bearing on WoT. Sorry, Mike.
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this is the first real article on this subject in a major paper that I have seen. All of the other articles just talk about whether or not these vets should be publishing it and if they have an agenda for doing so. This is the first one to put the focus on Kerry.
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EFL Kerry Says Group Is a Front For Bush Democrat Launches Counterattack Ad On Combat Record
Faced with unrelenting attacks on his military record
[actually it is an attack on Kerry's lies about Kerry's military record],
Sen. John F. Kerry on Thursday said a Republican-funded group of veterans is lying about his service in Vietnam and operating as a front organization for President Bush... Yesterday's Post nitpick on one of the SwiftVets was prominently played by CBS/NBC/ABC in their nightly news without the detail the Post provided that would at least let someone realize that the problem may have been Kerry's dishonest afteraction reports. If the WashPost ever accurately reports the Cambodia story, Kerry will likely take a major hit - of course that's a big if.
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No Holiday From Hate -- The Angry Left invades Cape May, N.J.
by Alan Bromley, Wall Street Journal. EFL. A classic illustration of how to trash a troll.
Last weekend my family took a minivacation at this bucolic seaside resort, where we enjoyed the calming charm of our Victorian inn, the rush of the ocean waves, the honky-tonk arcades and fine food. Every afternoon from 4 to 5, we found ourselves on the inn's porch with a dozen or so other guests, genteelly sipping iced tea in our rocking chairs as the afternoon breeze cooled our new sunburns. One day, sitting next to a couple from Philadelphia, I was asked what I thought about the Democratic Convention and who would win the election. Being in a state between relaxation and boredom, I wasn't sure if I wanted to enter this discussion, so I replied by asking them what they thought the biggest issue was. "Restoring trust to government," the wife replied, sounding like a Kerry bumper sticker. Her husband, munching a cracker with cheese, nodded in agreement.
I sensed my 17-year-old daughter's ears perk beneath her black hair and my wife's spine straighten, both sensing a political storm brewing. "You don't mean the legend on our currency, 'In God we trust,' do you?" I teased.
"No!" the husband, who had swallowed his snack, sharply responded. "We're in favor of separation of church and state, and would prefer that those words not appear on our dollar bills, just as we want 'under God' removed from our pledge of allegiance. And you know what we mean," he continued, ratcheting-up the tone. "Bush lied to us about the war in Iraq!" The chairs rocked faster.
"How's that?" I replied. Before he could answer, I added, "Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction three times, once against the Kurds in the north of Iraq, once against his 'marsh' people in the south, and against Iran. And every intelligence agency in the world, including the French, believed he had WMD, and that he was trying to acquire nuclear materials in Africa. If it was an intelligence miscalculation, all Saddam had to do was comply with U.N. inspections, but he refused. There was no lie, at worst a mistake that removed a brutal dictator who supported terrorism and who killed over 1.5 million people during his reign of terror."
"Screw you!" someone shouted from across the porch. My daughter's head swerved to the yelling miscreant, then back to me, somewhat fearful of my reaction. Go read it all. It just gets better from here on out.
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"You wouldn't like it. I'd just lay there, and you ain't man enough to make me move."
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Problem is, you weren't on their pre-approved guest list of those allowed free speech:
Any race but white
Anyone not Christian
Anyone against free market capitalism
Anyone ashamed of US military power
Anyone guilty about American economic power
Anyone ashamed to say they know the difference between right and wrong
Anyone who will agree with the prepackaged party ideas
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Nice article, but I don't believe it. Looks too much like a script, because no one in a heated argument lets the other guy get much more than four words out before interrupting him.
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don't spoil the moment Dar. The problem is that the left is like the relgious right used to be.
They proselytize endlessly, unaware that most of the audience is annoyed, because there's always someone who will give thim a "praise the lord" Bush lied, high-five. They get epileptic if the sniff the slightest tone of heresey towards any of their icons of liberalism. These self-appointed religious enforcers are always on the lookout, be it at the park or the coffee shop, for anyone in their midst who is not a true believe. They turn every conversation into their religion ...The religion of I Hate Bush.. and the are constantly trolling for someone disbelievers among them. Once they detect a disbeliever, they do exactly what was described here, bully and badger in some sort of misguided belief that this is getting them approval from the group at large.
Those of us more secure in ourselves usually just do our best to ignore them - which is what they count on. They are bullies - and if they didn't get all the weak people, fearful of their wrath, giving them nervous approval, the'd shut up and crawl back out of their own little self-created limelight.
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Come on down to Tampa for your next vacation, Alan. You'd be more than welcome here.
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Evidently, military embellishment has been a time-honored DNC tradition. Here is an excerpt from Ann Colter's latest: At the time, no one in the press bothered to investigate why Johnson was the only member of the crew to receive any sort of decoration for the 13-minute flight that never came under enemy fire -- and on which Johnson was merely an "observer." For the rest of his life Johnson got away with wearing what historian David Halberstam called "the least deserved and most proudly displayed Silver Star in military history."
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Oh baby! After that phoney staged explosion of indignation, turns out we have yet another Donk pretender and total fucking cheesedick.
McCain, you dumb asshole tool, you'd better do the stockade shuffle off to the side - you've been used like a wad of Kleenex by these jerkoffs.
Kerry - The most calculating climber and phoney joke ever - who's far less a war hero than he is our very own Manchurian Candidate.
Cleland - who blew himself up farting around with a grenade in his hooch - getting away with the assumption that his wounds were war-related for 40 yrs, when he's just a dumbass - not the war hero he's played for the suckers.
And now Harkin. Harkin, you gutless lying fuckwit. I hope some Iowa farmer - who did serve with honor and would be very surprised to find out you're another appeacer dink - wipes the floor with you.
So who's the next Donk chickenhawk to be outted as a bullshit artist?
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.com, has this excerpt from Unfit for Command about the Sampan Incident been posted?
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08/20/2004 3:36 Comments ||
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SH - Well, it has now, heh! Very interesting read - and clarifies the story for me as I had heard bits and pieces in various "debates" on talking-head shows.
If Skeery wins, not only will it be proof that most of my fellow citizens are lacking sufficient critical faculties (i.e. Darwin has failed us), it will also prove that the MSM is a fifth column power for world socialism. The two together are more than enough for me to seek a nice quiet niche elsewhere.
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Help me out here. I have been seeing the acronym MSM on Rantburg recently. What does it mean?
And .com: The only thing Kerry will win on Nov. 2nd will be an airplace ride back to Mass. with Tay Ray Suh massaging her hubby for the ass kicking that will be delivered.
I won't even start the "Let's Pretend it was Bush" game, here. We all know the newsmedia would be in a full-bore, 24/7 feeding frenzy about it. But Fellow Traveler Comrade Harkin... gets the usual pass from the networks and the liberal editorial pages.
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When Saving Private Ryan hit the big screen and Band of Brothers hit the small screen, the real heros who fought those battles continued to down play their service just explaining it was a job that had to be done and talk about it was reserved for the corner of the VFW or American Legion among the brotherhood. The real heros never have to run on their record. Lesson in Life: If they harp about it, it probably is untrue in particulars if not in general.
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What do you expect, he's a @#$% democrat.
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I hope when Harkin passes on, he is met at the perly gates by Nile Kinnick, another famous Iowan, who promptly kicks him in the ass...
If you are bored today , google Nile Kinnick, a great story to be had...
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Don: When Saving Private Ryan hit the big screen and Band of Brothers hit the small screen, the real heros who fought those battles continued to down play their service just explaining it was a job that had to be done and talk about it was reserved for the corner of the VFW or American Legion among the brotherhood.
A persistent theme among veterans is this - the real heroes are the soldiers who did not come back.
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You but I didn't need to read anthing to tell me this. I look around my friends and we all are doing better. In fact the last $$$ year is the best in 31 years of being married. In October we will have got all personal non-mortgage debt paid off. John Kerry and the dems are full of sheite.
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.com, anyone who purports that there is a growing difference between the lifestyles of the ought to visit the Breakers in Newport. There is very little worth having that is not available to the middle-class American. Personally, I have no desire to party like an Enron or Global Crossing executive. The greatest divide that exists in modern day is the divide between the impoverished American (only able to afford two movie channels to go with his basic cable package) and the impoverished citizen in Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti, Uzbekistan....
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Flame, the "me and my friends are doing better" line of argument is classic Pauline Kael logic. My people are doing fine, yes - but I don't live in the part of the country that's allegedly doing poorly, or work in the part of the labor sector that's allegedly getting socked. Even though I am - I work customer support via phone. My bosses have inexplicably failed to outsource my lazy American ass.
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Until somebody can explain to me how thousands of kids can go to school with cell phones paid for by their "poverty-stricken" parents during this time of economic doom and gloom, Kerry etc. can shut the hell up.
How many people in the "struggling" economy pay for 1. cell phones, 2. internet / highspeed internet, 3. digital cable / sports packages, 4. digital cameras, 5. mobile PDFs, 6. laptop computers (required to go to any university - even many local collleges), 7. SUVs instead of minivans, 8. breast implants, 9. unstoppable sales figures for DVDs, video games, CPU games, etc. 10. etc etc etc etc.
There are so many things that people have that cost alot of money when you add it up that they did NOT have the money for even during the "prosperous" 90s. Anyone worried about the economy needs to take a step back and see just how many of the items listed above that they either own or purchase on a regular basis. Take an inventory of how many of those things that they did NOT have 10 years ago. Then try to tell me how bad we all have it.
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Thousands of Albanians and others who fled the Balkans for the United States in recent years have emerged as a serious organized crime problem, threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime, top FBI officials said Wednesday. The Albanian criminal enterprises, operating largely in New York and other Eastern seaboard cities, represent a major challenge to federal agents because of their propensity for violence and brutality, the officials said. "They are a hardened group, operating with reckless abandon," said Chris Swecker, the newly named FBI assistant director for the Criminal Investigative Division.
Swecker and other officials said some of the Albanians served as enforcers in the established Mafia families for several years. When the FBI dealt a major blow to the LCN families in recent years, the Albanians began to emerge, and now are taking over turf once controlled by the traditional mob bosses. Officials said ethnic Albanians from Kosovo, Macedonia and Montenegro are included in the clans and crews that emerged in the organized crime world. FBI officials said Russian and many other organized crime groups operating in the United States are much more sophisticated and less violent than the Albanians. Part of the Albanian emergence stems from the FBI's success in busting the LCN. Operation Buttondown, the code name for the FBI's campaign to crush the Mafia, reduced the number of families operating in the United States from 24 to only nine, the FBI officials said. More than 100 leading members of LCN and more than 600 associates were arrested in the crackdown on organized crime. Although no terrorism connection has been discovered, the FBI says it is closely watching to see whether the militant Muslims in the emerging organized crime world demonstrate ties to organizations suspected of involvement in terrorist financing.
(2008-08-20) -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy, D-MA, does not pose an immediate threat to the security of the American homeland and he should be allowed to board commercial airliners, according to a statement from Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge.
The Massachusetts politician complained recently that he had been prevented from boarding planes because his name is similar to an alias used by a man on a government "watch list."
"We do not, at this time, view Sen. Ted Kennedy as an immediate threat to the safety and security of America," said Mr. Ridge. "We continue to seek the whereabouts of another man--Mohammad Tehdi al-Kennedy, who has ties to the al Qaeda terror network."
Mr. Ridge added that, "although the Senator and his party seek the overthrow of the current administration and preach a radical doctrine that would decimate the American economy, we have no hard evidence that he's linked directly to any foreign groups that would celebrate those outcomes."
From The Wall Street Journal, an opinion article by Franklin Foer, the author of How Soccer Explains the World.
.... Last week ... Iranian judo champion ... Arash Miresmaeili quit the Olympics entirely. As the jukoda told the Iranian government's official news service: "I refuse to fight my Israeli opponent ... " His one-man boycott earned him encomiums from President Mohammad Khatami. According to reports, the Iranians planned on rewarding Mr. Miresmaeili with $115,000, the purse handed out to gold medalists.
Under Olympic protocol, such ad hoc political boycotts are forbidden. (The prohibitions placed on South Africa's apartheid-era teams, by contrast, were official and the product of international consensus.) .... if the Iranians had owned up to their intentions and the Olympics officials had felt inclined to follow their own rules, the country would have been subject to stiff sanctions. .... The Iranians will apparently pay no price for their transgression.
Unfortunately, this is a typical tale. Israel continually suffers sporting boycotts, and officials, Olympic and otherwise, continually turn a blind eye toward this injection of politics into sport. Ever since Israel's founding, some Muslim nations have refused to compete against the Jewish state. In 1962, when Indonesia hosted the Asian Games, it chose to officially cancel the event rather than permit Israeli participation. After the Yom Kippur War of 1973, the boycott intensified and has come to permeate almost every venue.
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You can add the IOC to the crowded list of other appeasers including the UN, IRC, Democratic party, etc. Considering that a guy in a blue tutu can take a dive off the 3 meter platform during the competition then what could a few stupid islamoterrorist do? It ain't over til the fat lady sings.
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The "international community" (UN, IOC, etc.) are simply a bunch of f*cking petrowhores to the oil-rich arab states. So appeasing the arabs by taking it out on Israel is a cheap price to pay.
And yet, the exquisite irony of it all is that these spineless suckups accuse the US of attacking Iraq purely for the oil.
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150 million arabs afraid of a lousy 3 million Jews? Behaviour has reasons. I suspect in this case the various arab govt's have let it be known that any athlete unfortunate enough to lose to a jew will have to undergo a "re-education" process. Like I wouldn't want to have been a german athlete in 1936 who lost to an American "untermensch".
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Officials at North High School (search), where the student population is 84 percent Hispanic....
It seems that a sweep by the INS would have been a better lesson than taking down the Mexican flag. Those who were most fond of the Mexican flag could have been repatriated to where it flies every day and they could apply for LEGAL entry into the US. If they had to work to get here and become part of the US to stay, they might have more appreciation for the American flag.
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Rantburg is concerned with the War on Terror, with occasional bits of politix and nonsense. I prefer not to see religious polemics.
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Full of sound and fury, signifying.........nothing. A prolix mass of verbiage boiling down to "we're right and they're spawns of the devil." Why not just say so and be done with it. If all the writers of all these words are indeed inspired by god, then there must be more than one god. Ie: perhaps the islamic god is the one responsible for the creation of Cain's wife. Who knows? If they aren't all inspired by god how do you sort out who's right? To me this tonnage of talk is beside the point, attempting as it does to describe the undescribable and understand something that by it's very nature can't be understood. Men have killed each other for thousands of years because of arguments over words like these, dancing on the head of a pin. The words are full of anger and hate. Do we then assume that god is full of anger and hate? I hope not.
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mhw. I remember the episode well. Agree re: Leslie Parrish. I starting wondering if the epsode had been written by Harlan Ellison, who wrote several episodes for Star Trek in the 60's and published the classic book about the death of the gods in 1975: Deathbird Stories. I looked it up and it was actually written by Gilbert Ralston. Can't be right all the time. Thanks for the memories.
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Harlan Ellison wrote Classic Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever," which was the best of the bunch.
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Harlan Ellison wrote Classic Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever," which was the best of the bunch.
Infidel! Dog! In the name of the Great Tribble, I slay you for blasphemy!
Although, you know, "City on the Edge of Forever" has great relevance today. In that episode, time is screwed up when McCoy saves a woman's life. She was a pacifist idealist whose influence kept the US out of WWII, so that the Nazis won. Kirk has to see that she dies -- which is too bad, since he's fallen in love with her.
But the moral of the episode is that sometimes lofty ideals, like the love of peace, must be cut back in order to flourish in the future. I'll bet Harlan Ellison would spit in your face if you tried to draw a parallel between his story and the events of today. But he's a bit of a flake.
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Tribbles = best of the best. No contest. The City on the Edge of Forever is instructive, as you point out. Sometimes there are no good choices. See Phillip K Dics's "Man in the High Castle". Or "Sophies Choice". In which case we have to choose the lesser of two evils, as Kirk did, even though they were forbidden to interfere in any culture. Harlan Ellison would indeed have a screaming fit if you compared his story to today, since he is a MAJOR flake, although one of the best scifi writers ever to take up a pen.
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C'mon, guys.... Mirror, Mirror!Nichelle Nichols and Barbara Luna with bare midriffs and thigh-high leather boots! (And Spock with a goatee for the she-geeks.) What more need be said?
Um, this is a "Page 2" story, right? Between this and last night's "anime girl" gibberish, I'm boldly going toward the sinktrap at this rate.
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LOL!, check out the right-column ads on this page!
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Started off more or less serious. Kind of hard to follow since the original looney tune post got pulled. Has definitely drifted off into a degree of silliness, but still on the subject of the gods. Really like the pic of Nichols. Old hottie
By Khalid Mansoor Soomro Khalid Mansoor Soomro is from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. He was an ardent follower of Mohammed until the results of a challenge he laid out before some Christian students. Please read this powerful testimony of how this man was converted to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior!
And He said unto them: "Go into the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)
When I was 14 years old I was studying in a convent school at Saddar Karachi Pakistan. I belong to a Muslim family. My parents forced me to learn the Qur'an by heart when I was seven and so I did. I had a lot of Christian fellows (or acquaintances) at school. I was surprised to see them studying while I always found Christians of low profile in the society. I discussed and argued a lot with them about the accuracy of Qur'an and rejection of Bible by Allah in Holy Qur'an. I always forced them to accept Islam. Often my Christian teacher told me not to do so. He said, "God may choose you as he chose the Apostle Paulus." I asked them who is Paulus, I know Muhammad only.
One day during our discussion I challenged them to burn the Holy Books of each other. They should burn the Qur'an and I should do the same with the Bible. We agreed: "The book which would burn, would be false. The book, which would not burn, has the Truth in it. God Himself would save His Word." Unfortunately they were not ready to do this because they were frightened. Living in an Islamic Country and doing such a thing could lead them to face the law and meet its consequences. I told them I could do this by myself.
First I set the Qur'an on fire and it got burnt before our eyes. Then I tried to do the same with the Bible. As soon as I tried it, the Bible struck my chest and I fell on the ground. There was smoke all around my body. I was burning, but from a spiritual fire.
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Yeah sure, nice fairytale
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Religion is the problem.
(And some more than others).
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No Howard, people are (those who misuse religion)
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Yep: OBL, Sadr, The Saudis etc..
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And that bastard pope.
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Zealots are the problem.
The problem is best dealt with by piling rocks on them till the stop breathing preferably at a cross roads where people will notice and avoid zealotry by the example thus set.
Nice Guy I am not. But I have this thing on the wall proclaiming to one and all I am a "Reverend." entitled to marry and bury. I haven't had to bury to many.
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So Fred, I see you are discussing now in American style, with censoring and distorting. You are a good student, learned your techniques from the "Republicans" school I guess.
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And I see the phoney Murat is back.
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As a practicing agnostic, I don't have much use for miracle tales, and I'll dump them in the future.
Nor do I have much use for Islamists who attack other people's religion.
The attacks on Islam here stem from Islam's attacks on the rest of the world, not from religious outlook. Most of us didn't have anything against Islam prior to 9-11. At that point we began to look into it more closely, and we haven't liked what we've seen. The combination of Koranic doctrine, outlandish cultural norms in Arabia and Pashtunistan, Qutbist ideology, and mental defects induced by inbreeding, represents a danger to the rest of the world that has to be fought.
I'd also add that this is something that has to be fought by those whose who are Muslims in the same sense some of us here are Catholics or Anglicans or Jews. Unless you're a Sunni in Pakland, a Shiite in Iran, or a Wahhabi in Soddy Arabia you're nothing. Non-Wahhabi/Deobandi/Shia Muslims had better wake up to that fact. Ask any Qadiani. After us agnostics/Christians/Jews/Ba'hais/Hindoos/Buddhists and animists are all gone, the turbans will turn on each other. Just watch the Sunnis try and exterminate the Shia in Pakistan.
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So what has that all to do with deleting my comments above, show one abusive word in those two deleted comments (if you can). On second thoughts pitty as you are just stay hiding behind those agnostic blah blah.
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Nothing - you're just Turkish. Live with it. (supposedly - who's playing Murat today?)
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I looked at the deleted comments in the Sink Trap. I don't understand why they were deleted.
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Stupid article... Who cares about some "pseudo-miraculous" conversion to cristianism??
All i want is to see islamofascim dead & deep buried... Fu** Khalid Mansoor Soomro and is burns of "spiritual fire"!
#15
I don't have much use for crazy people from any religion who have been sitting out in the sun too long. It bakes their brains. Many of the old religions have "vision quest" rituals for their holy men, but they didn't feel it necessary to attack other people's beliefs. They did it to become spiritual leaders of their own people, by trying to see past the fog surrounding them to the ground of reality. I admire them for their task, but not nut cases like this who claim to have the only "true" faith.
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DLS: I admire them for their task, but not nut cases like this who claim to have the only "true" faith.
That's pretty silly - religions are not social clubs. Anyone who takes up a religion pretty much assumes that it is the one true faith. The problem we have isn't with Muslim religious devotion - do we really care if Shiites continue scourging themselves at their religious festivals for the next thousand years? No - the problem with Muslims is that they deliberately target civilians of the third countries for mass murder operations to bend them to Islam's will. Neither fanatical atheism nor religious devotion is the problem. The tendency among Muslims to use violence to attain their territorial and political ambitions is.
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Well, if the story's true, he had to have some balls to set fire to the Koran . . . or would we rather have him turning his energies toward fanatical Islam? At least it's pretty certain this fellow won't be joining the jihad fanatics. And "family" seems to now be his priority. Sounds like a net-gain to me.
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The people I was speaking of as admiring are the shamans and spiritual men/women of the old pre-christian religions. They never claimed to have the whole truth for the whole of humanity, just truths for their own particular people. Not all religions assume they have the one true faith. Many have changed over time by accruing beliefs from other religions. The Romans were known for this, you could believe whatever you wanted as long as it didn't interfere with Caeser. Other eastern religions such as Hinduism have gathered in hundreds of gods from other faiths, many of them animistic. The religions that insist they have the one true faith are monotheistic. Even Jewish faith acknowledged the possibility of other deities: the phrase "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" can beinterpreted to mean "no other gods more important than me." OBTW, I don't disagree with your thoughts on Islam: it's an extremely dangerous faith. Monotheistic. They "Know" that they are right. Goes back to the question of whether god can really be described in words, or if the written words are man's attempt to manipulate god for his own purposes.
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This is what scares the Islamists the most, IMHO.
Even if you are an agnostic, you have to acknowledge that Christianity offers a whole lot more of good things than does Islam. The Christian based countries are all much more civilized than are the Islamic. Sooner or later, the Muslims, eager for spiritual fulfillment will find that Christianity is a better option.
Christ. Ooooohhh...yes..I said the "C" word. Does that scare some of you? Wimps.
It's just damn good advice. Faith, hope, charity and forgiveness, honesty. It's those principles that the people who set up our county believed in and it's why we have a country that tries to be good to all of its citizens, instead of slaughtering those who aren't in with the most powerful of the day. Ok..that and other checks and balances. But it is the mindset of those principles which Jesus taught ..to forgive..to do right by your neighbors ..that makes us such a strong country and good neighbors. Don't ever take that for granted...even if you don't believe.
I never understand why everyone - even Jews and agnostics are so annoyed with the teachings' of Christ. It just all around good stuff. The kind of stuff that's passed down at the deathbed as being the keys to living a good life. Money, fame and power can't give you happiness, but living a good life can.
I think that those of you a wee bit older than me (though not much) are just so battle scarred by the religious right of the 50's that you reflexively despise all things Jesus.
But I see it like the original liberal Left or the civil rights movement ...just because some demogogues hijack it and turn it into something ugly - doesn't mean that it's ugly. It just means that it was coopted by ugly people. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.... Take one look at Islam or the Colleseum for that matter and you can easily see that Christianity, has indeed been a a good force in this world.
Has it caused massive bloodshed, yes...but it's also prevented much of it...or or ...as some of you might better relate to ..Christianity doesn't kill people. Bad people kill people.
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Haven't said anything bad about the teachings of Christ. Great man. Christianity certainly has more agreeable underpinings than Islam. Some of the teachings of christianity have been less than enjoyable, but that's true of anything. What I and most of the others find difficult in the current post should be obvious. This is a pllace for well-reasoned discourse, with a little spice of sarcasm. It isn't a place for holy roller speaking in tongues old fashioned I saw the virgin mary in the field across the way revelation. At least I hope not.
#22
don't be so hypersensitive. I'm not trying to convert you. I'm just saying that I think that one of the things that scares the Mullahs most is the creep of western thinking that is inevitable in the modern information age. And, yes, I was making the side point that people freak whenever anyone attempts to point out that perhaps some of the millions of disenfranchised, who seek religion, might be better off if they were to follow Christianity rather than Islam.
(whether YOU need it or not isn't at issue here,)
The thought of someone teaching an better alternative to Islam has to terrify the Mullahs
You may not have need for spiritual fulfillment, but if the suicide bombers are any indication, billions do. And since Christian teachings offer a better alternative and way of life, this has to scare the Mullahs. That's my point.
It's a legitimate point of discussion. Christianity does offer a better alternative to Muslims than does Islam. Islam can't survive in its present form without complete and total adherence to Sharia and all of the intolerance that entails. Thus Islam can't survive in a modern world.
To come back and accuse me of proselytising, when I'm just making a valid point, proves the point that we can't discuss this without everyone running scared of religious boogey men.
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I think RantBurg is ripe for a Rasta takeover.
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I didn't post the original article. To get down on me as some kind of Jesus freak trying to take over the board for making a completely valid point seems a bit low.
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Didn't accuse anybody of anything. Agree totally that christianity is far better a religion than islam. It too had it's bloody phase, but got over it two or three hundred years ago. Rasta's are Rastafarians. Religion born in the 1920's in the slums of Jamaica. Came to prominence in the 1970's. Sort of an offshoot of a cargo cult, with Haili Salasie of Ethiopia as their new prophet/representative of god. Salasie, who was a good christian, totally repudiated them, but they live on. Many Rastas have refused to believe that Salasie actually died. You can identify the males: they wear dreadlocks. Never cut their hair. Wear red green and yellow hats. Never started any wars that I know of.
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all hail to Fred...and his army of Steves
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ever could spell. Ras is the name of a prince, Tafari was Selassie's first name. He was the last of an unbroken line of kings of Ethiopia, tracing it's lineage back to the house of David. Rastafarians chose him as a symbol of the black man who had avoided bondage, and considered him as the messiah who would in turn lead them out of bondage.
It's hard to imagine that Thabo Mbeki has a Masters degree in economics, when you read this illiterate junk.
South African President Thabo Mbeki has called for reform of the UN and other international institutions. At the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Durban he said developing countries should not allow powerful nations to dictate the world on their own terms.
If the powerful nations work and the developing countries don't, why don't they consider following the powerful nations' lead? South Africa not too long ago was one of the powerful countries...
Mr Mbeki said it was not acceptable that a "few countries" decided the outcome of major world issues. He stressed that "multilateral cooperation between equal countries is the only way to proceed".
Equal in what respect?
President Mbeki said the UN, where the security council is dominated by five permanent members, needed to be reformed. "The transformation of the United Nations has taken far too long," he said. "The other multilateral institutions like the Bretton Woods institutions (World Bank and International Monetary Fund) and the World Trade Organisation also need to be transformed to meet the needs of our people."
Seems to me, they were good ideas gone bad: to provide the money for the developing nations to develop. Instead, the money got pissed away on arms and ammunition and padding the bank accounts of the local head cheeses...
That's what happens when you loan money to thugs, but you'd think a smart international banker would know that.
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Mbeki, I've no doubt, is well aware of this - he simply wants the free ride to continue and is framing his statement in the same old tired appeal to western/white guilt.
A Claremont McKenna College psychology professor was convicted Wednesday of falsely reporting her car was vandalized and spray-painted with racist and anti-Semitic slurs while she was speaking at a campus forum on racial tolerance. Kerri Dunn, 39, of Redlands, was convicted of one misdemeanor count of filing a false police report and two felony counts of attempted insurance fraud. She faces up to 3 1/2 years in prison when she is sentenced Sept. 17.
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I don't think that the felony for Insurance Fraud will make it through the appeal process.
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If you look at the links on this page the stories have all been spiked by their respective news bureaus. I don't know if that is SOP after reporting a hoax, but I would think you would want some indication a story ran.
Update: The more I learn about the the weirder Ms. Dunn gets.
I have dated women like this. You dont exactly send women like this roses the next day.
Does this modus operandi by Jews, converted or born into Judaism, sound familiar?
A link to a site thats not only homophobic, but antisemitic. Sheesh, do we really need that here? Maybe youre trying to make "gentle" feel more welcome?
Look, this is a troubled individual. Maybe thats connected to her sexuality, or why she converted (though Ive known a lot of "Jews by choice" and in with a couple of exceptions they were quite mentally healthy - as much as other folks I know) Using this as an excuse for bashing Jews and/or gays is well, the kind of vileness we expect from the islamofascists and their sympathizers.
I said Ms. Dunn was weird a lawyer and a lesbian, and that is it. I linked to the Aztlan site bacuse it identified her as a lesbian, not because of my views. I used no disparaging terms at all.
And her sexuality IS open to criticism since it is in the public domain, but I didn't criticize it, I simply gave notice that she is lesbian and most likely psycho. The fact she staged a felony shows that in addition to her personal pecadilloes, she is a criminal
Do you really think the mere act of linking is homophobic? Are you heterophobic, yourself?
And I have news for you. I host one of the 14 mirrors for internet haganah, you prick. Maybe you should read a little closer what I am trying to say rather than ump to conclusions.
Don't fuck with me on racism or whatever agenda you are trying to push. You will not like the reply you get.
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I did not say YOU were homophobic or antisemitic. I merely said the site you were linking to was (well, i did make the remark about gentle ;). Look, if you disagreed with their views, but were just linking to them for a fact, you could have given us a disclaimer - people here do that even with sources like the BBC and the NYT. And this site was a helluva lot worse than those.
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You're like a bad door to door salesman. With all the other links I posted in this thread and elsewhere, you complain about one we agree we hate, but yet I need a disclaimer to indicate that link is unacceptable, even if it displays simple information?
I used the Azlatan link to demonstrate just what a psycho she is, and to point out her sexualty is indeed an issue.
Disclaimer: I absolutely did not know she was a lebian activist until I saw the information on the Aztlan site, so I must withdraw my claim I have dated women like this. I may have driven them to it, but never dated them. Disclaimer: The immediately preceding sentance was a joke.
Are you afraid someone will click on the link and shout, "OMFG!! I have got to join/help/fellate/feltch these folks?" -- We have lost a whole generation to barbarism and socialism from a simple link that bastard badanov posted?
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badanov, let me get this right, you dated more than one person like Ms. Dunn. That is, you dated someone like her and then another person like her. Was this a triumph of hope over experience or are you a masochist?
Thanks for the chuckle. A very nice way to start the day. I own you one.
#10
look bad, we already get a fair share of people in here who IMHO are pretty fringie rightists. From the Nuke Mecca crowd, to the anyone whos ever voted Dem is a Commie fag crowd, to the hispanic immigrants are destroying our way of life crowd. Now I'll accept that thats part and parcel of the territory, and I WONT go around protesting every time someone links to say LGF, despite my feelings about them. But a link to an overtly antisemitic site, even by someone whos not antisemitic, hell even by a Jew, is opening a door. I understand why you did it and dont hold it against you, but I think its worth being vigilant.
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Badanov, I suggest that you read the judgemental remarks made in post #10. It should make you realize that the poster has "issues."
LH, if you are going to judge others, the least you could do is reach appropriate conclusions. What escapes your paranoid brain is that Badanov did not write the material in the link. An Hispanic wrote the material for other Hispanics to read, presumably because it was on an Azlatan site, and yet you say nothing about the writer. Instead you accuse Badanov of crazy things whereas all he did was use the link as a source for information it contained about the professor. Anyone with half a brain would realize that was his purpose. And by the way, Badanov was not being "homophobic" when he said that the professor was playing for the other side...Badanov was trying to be funny...like in ha, ha, wink, wink, wink...people can make jokes without having "evil intentions." It's called having a sense of humor. Not all of us want to go thru life without cracking a smile now and then.
Regarding putting in "disclaimers" whenever we post a link...are you intending that all us posters follow some kind of LH-inspired Chicago Style of Writing on this board? Fyi, sometimes articles from the NYT and Wash.Post have bits of info that raise good discussion points and this is a political discussion board for independent thinking, is it not? I'll be damned if I start following your authoritarian "disclaimer" rules. If people are not smart enough to figure out the intent of an article by themselves, than they should stick to boob tube watching not political discussion forums.
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and I WONT go around protesting every time someone links to say LGF, despite my feelings about them.
I like Charles Johnson. He is passionate about the WoT, and he has gotten a bad rap from moral preening leftists in recent months, all of it undeserved, in my opinion. He posts articles and he reaches common sense, moral conclusions in his editorial remarks. He basically says, here is what is happening, I think it sucks but you get to comment.
In fact the only thing issue I have with him ( and this may well get me banned from LGF ) is he needs a haircut. ;o)
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Those "Aztlan" people are the Hispanic version of the KKK, badanov. If they told me the sun was to rise tomorrow, I'd stock up on flashlight batteries, just in case. Therefore I would take anything they said about anybody with a substantial dose of salt, even if her sexual orientation was relevant to the discussion, and I don't see how it is.
LH, you could've just noted that the website's beyond flaky, you didn't have to go into a big song and dance about anti-Semitism. Not here. We get it.
Mike, you're right.
.com's a prevert? Next you'll be telling us Bill Clinton chases women!
Can y'all calm down. Please reread post number 4. I didnt call badanov Antisemitic or homophobic. Please quote me where i did. I did say the SITE was, which I stand by. I also said we dont need links to such sites - which as a general rule I stand by. We dont. The site is vile, whether its aimed at hispanics or anyone else. Im sorry if my smartass remarks went overboard, but im hardly the only person here to get emotional.
Feel free not to disclaimer things if you like, but my general assumption when someone links to a site without disclaimers is that they consider such a site a reasonable source of information. Especially if its not a cite we regularly mention here. I dont think thats an unreasonable assumption - i cant read your mind, or remember all your opinions on everything, or what sites you help mirror. Each post must stand on its own, including the links it contains.
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re: LGF. Im not starting an arguement about them here. I think Winds of Change had a pretty good debate, that included both sides. My point in mentioning them was to make it clear that Im NOT some kind of PC police attempting to impose "moderation" on this site. The site you linked to was quite different, as im sure you recognize.
The ONLY reference I could find relating to Prof. Dunn's 'activism' came from the Aztlan site. The article being the only reference to Dunn's activism i could find on the net was clearly written and posted to inflame prejudices.
I guess I should have been more careful in the posting of links. I knew Aztlan was one of the bad guys, and I know that oftentimes socialist organizations lie often to advance an agenda, and this appears to be the case here as well. I was drawn in and I posted bad info. I failed to double check the facts.
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You think with her being a lawyer and all, sheâd know the golden rule about keeping her mouth shut when guilty.
Isnât it funny how people always give it away?
Here she gives them her motive: âAnd what I did that pissed people off so much and made them ruin my beautiful 1992 beater Honda Civicâ
She tells us she thinks that her car is a beater. âWhy would anyone want to ruin a beater?â, she asks as if someone sending a message would care what kind of car they spray painted on.
Well, maybe they might want to ruin a beater, to get insurance to buy a newer car.
Her final words: and that the people who espouse these hateful ideologies, really, I said earlier today should go underground. What I meant is that they should go to hell.
So telling, she said earlier that she wants them to go underground to vanish disappearâ¦oopsâ¦needed to clarify that since it didnât make sense that she wouldn't want them exposed â¦gotta get those final words in to clarify that Freudian slip.
Funny the truth that comes out in lies. The entire speech is a classic example.
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I am obliged to apologize for my coarse language. There is no excuse for it.
By Anu Anand Thursday, 19 August, 2004, 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK
BBC correspondent
(Delhi) - India's annual monsoon is a lifeline, bringing water to farmland and refreshing a population reeling from the long months of summer heat. But while eastern India and neighbouring Bangladesh have suffered devastating floods, the rains in the west have failed for the fourth time in as many years. It was yet another hot, sticky Indian summer day when I set out to visit a cousin in Delhi's newest middle-class suburb. A tiny electric fan mounted inside the car whirred noisily, as we made our way from the central enclave of imperial New Delhi towards the south-west.
Since the British left in 1947, Delhi has added a jumble of settlements, like the rings of a tree. Almost an hour later, we arrived at the outermost ring, the new suburb of Dwarka. The landscape, stripped of its trees and brutally flattened, has been overrun by hundreds of new high-rise apartment buildings. Laid out by sectors in an orderly grid, Dwarka is about as inspiring as a Soviet housing bloc. But this is where the beneficiaries of India's high-tech boom are making their homes.
Short supply
My cousin and his wife are both successful young computer programmers. Their flat has three bedrooms, two bathrooms and several balconies overlooking the new sports complex across the road - all for the relatively reasonable sum of £19,000 ($35,000). Inside, it is light and airy. The floors are marble, the built-in wardrobes are large. They own a new widescreen TV and a gleaming fridge. This is the middle class dream: your own home, a new car in the private garage and space away from the extended family. But that night, we slept in the same room, sharing the blast of cool air from the flat's lone air-conditioner. Then at 0600, I was disturbed by the sound of my sister-in-law clattering around the bathroom, filling up plastic buckets from a tap. She apologised. "The water's come on for just 15 minutes. If I don't fill up, we won't have any water all day." This reminds me of showering at midnight in Armenia so that I could have marginally detectable water pressure. Continued on Page 49
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