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-Lurid Crime Tales-
S.Africa: Violent Black on Black clashes in Mamelodi Township
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/24/2007 09:29 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This followed the fatal shooting on Saturday of Moses Motselela outside a bottle store by two men.

No worries here, happens in Atlanta on a nightly basis.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/24/2007 14:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Once you drive off all the white devils, all you got left is black-on-black. 'Cept for the occasional Indian or Chinaman, maybe.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/24/2007 17:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't tell me they got an Islamic learning Curve too.
Posted by: rhodesiafever || 10/24/2007 18:38 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Alternative Headline Needed
SWANVILLE, Maine — Police continue to be on the lookout for a local man who fled into the woods after getting into a fight with his younger sister over shaving the family cat.

State Trooper Luke Cunningham said police were searching for Nicholas Palmer, 22, of Stevens Road. Police were called to the family residence at 1 p.m. Monday after Palmer’s 18-year-old sister claimed he choked and struck her. Before police could arrive, Palmer escaped into the woods. Using two tracking dogs, separate teams of officers searched unsuccessfully for Palmer for about four hours.

Cunningham said the sibling altercation began when Palmer attempted to stop his sister from shaving the family cat. The sister thought shaving would rid the cat of fleas and ticks. According to the sister, when Palmer attempted to cut the cord of the clipper she was using she responded by kicking him. The kick caused Palmer to cut himself with the knife he was using to sever the cord and he responded by choking and pushing his sister. He ran off when she called 911, Cunningham said.

"We’re still on the lookout for him," Cunningham said Tuesday. "We definitely want to get his side of the story."
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2007 21:01 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Shaving her what?
Oh, it Maine.... Nuff said.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/24/2007 21:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Appalachian family moves to Maine.
Posted by: Unutle McGurque8861 || 10/24/2007 21:54 Comments || Top||


Lefty blogger promises to "take down" Victor Davis Hanson
I'll bet VDH is quaking in his penny loafers--NOT!
Posted by: Mike || 10/24/2007 06:26 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "So, how did that lefty blogger taste, Dr Hanson? Like chicken."
Posted by: gromgoru || 10/24/2007 9:05 Comments || Top||

#2  "... the worst sort of polemicist: one who claims academic credentials as a neutral observer, but then insidiously inserts political interpretations of his own present-day biases into the historical record."

Breathtaking quote... on the basis of that, Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal are in sooooo much trouble!

So, who's making the popcorn for the audience?

Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 10/24/2007 9:23 Comments || Top||

#3  So, who's making the popcorn for the audience?

Paging Barbara Skolaut to the white courtesy phone.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/24/2007 9:34 Comments || Top||

#4  I have to criticize VDH as well, for making a classical blunder of Social Studies, creating a simple structural model, then trying to force history to conform to it with argument. While there may be some degree of truth to the axiom, it fails in the harsh light of example.

Case in point: there is a western way of doing things and an eastern, or Asiatic way of doing things. But this does not mean that they are polar opposites, any more than saying that "Dogs are the opposite of cats".

All societies must have some degree of all the elements he attributes as decisive. And none of them have these elements in their purest form. So you cannot say "Freer societies always win", or even that "Modernism and technology always wins".

It is hard to even say that "The winners always won", because generally they didn't win completely, or they lost many times en route to a win, or their win didn't last, etc.

In the eastern philosophy, "winning" and "losing" make little sense in the cyclical approach to things. "Balance" and "imbalance" are often far more to the point.

In history, you could cherry pick and find major events in which the East won decisively against the West, such as the fall of Constantinople, and the eastern front defeat of the Nazis by the Soviets.

Among historians, they distinguish between themselves, as "historians", and those who write about history, as "historical writers", more concerned with historical theories they want to advance than actual history.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2007 9:56 Comments || Top||

#5  anonymoose.
Ref winning& losing vs. balance and imbalance.

You left out the part where we may want to win, rather than suffer imbalance, or, for that matter, whatever passes for balance.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 10/24/2007 12:02 Comments || Top||

#6  VDH writes as a historian. This lefty blogger's work will hit the same trash bin as Freud's work and VDH's work will be read for centuries.
Posted by: Unutle McGurque8861 || 10/24/2007 12:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Anonymoose, maybe this article might put things in perspective.
You fight for your "Parish". One of the major purposes of teaching history should be to tell you what you did right AND what you did wrong in those existential struggles as opposed to petty intrafamily squabbles.
Posted by: tipper || 10/24/2007 12:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Lefty blogger promises to "take down" Victor Davis Hanson

Because taking down Rush was so successful. /sarcasm off
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/24/2007 13:44 Comments || Top||

#9  Richard Aubrey: We want to win. The East seeks balance. For us to want to seek balance is just silly. For the East to want just to win is about as silly.

Much of Asia seems inscrutable to westerners because we do not grasp this. For example, in China there is little drive for what we think of as "good" government instead of "balanced" government. This is because they see government as a cycle of four different kinds of government.

The first kind rebuilds China from scratch, in a manner of speaking. Everything is new. Then once this cycle is completed, the next kind of government takes over, whose purpose is to maintain what the previous government built and get all the kinks out. Then the third form of government takes over, and lets things degenerate and fall apart. The fourth kind of government then destroys everything, usually killing a lot of people, so China can be rebuilt from scratch once again.

To a westerner this looks idiotic. But to the Chinese it is so powerfully "the way of things" that no government can do otherwise. The people and bureaucracy just won't let them. It didn't even matter that Mao Tse Tung was a communist, he still had to behave just like he was an emperor, at that time in the cycle. A destroyer emperor, I might add. (The "last" emperor had been a degenerate emperor.)

Now compare that to the West, where we always want *good* government. From the Chinese point of view that is ridiculous and unnatural, and it will never work because it ignores "reality". From their point of view, we too will have a four cycle government. We just don't know it. Makes you think about Bill Clinton.

Even today, strategically, the US and China contend with each other using those different cultural philosophies. For example, we invite tens of thousands of Chinese here to educate them and show them "the western way", and the Chinese government sends them here to teach us "the Chinese way". Of course, both sides have lots of other reasons as well.

Neither side are having much luck with the cultural thing.

I might add that China doesn't even consider losing a war necessarily a "loss", because for over a thousand years, they kept getting conquered by enemies who, in a generation or two, would do everything the Chinese way, and act like Chinese. So while their country lost, their "way" continued.

It really is apples and oranges to our way of thinking.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2007 13:56 Comments || Top||

#10  moose - it is about balance. But what you miss is that democracy is about balance.
Posted by: Unutle McGurque8861 || 10/24/2007 16:11 Comments || Top||

#11  I just have a hard time believing an Airborne Officer could be that left-wing unlesss......he's a plant.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/24/2007 16:29 Comments || Top||

#12  The West tends to win and the East tends to claim victory when they lose.

The West often believes the media bull that things are gloomy or worse than they are. The East tends to believe the stories and inunedo that they are winning or that it's someone elses fault.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/24/2007 17:43 Comments || Top||

#13  Nope, not a plant, just read the history, and then compare it to that 12th Imam thingie, this actually makes a lot of sense.
Posted by: Drive by lurker || 10/24/2007 19:34 Comments || Top||

#14  Oh, and jack is back, I'm not looking for a fight here, but there is nothing leftwing in Anonymoose's post.
Posted by: Drive by lurker || 10/24/2007 19:36 Comments || Top||

#15  "Lefty blogger promises to 'take down' Victor Davis Hanson"

Uh-huh.

GFL on that one....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/24/2007 21:14 Comments || Top||

#16  Sgt. Mom, Zen - I'm popping as fast as I can!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/24/2007 21:14 Comments || Top||

#17  ION, DEFENSETECH.org > AXE: DISBAND THE AIR FORCE; + MARDETS BACK IN THE MIX. Marine Detachments to return and serve aboard "wide variety" of USN ships, from brown/green-water littorals to USCG Cutters, etc???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/24/2007 21:59 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
California Fires will be Worse due to ... Global Warming!
Dude it's like, we're so doomed ...
LAKE ARROWHEAD, California (AP) -- Drought- and beetle-ravaged trees in this mountain community stick up like matchsticks in the San Bernardino National Forest, bypassed by the fires still smoldering, but left like kindling for the next big blaze.

Welcome to the future.

Fires that charred nearly three-quarters of a million acres could presage increasingly severe fire danger as global warming weakens more forests through disease and drought, experts warn. "You're really going to increase the chances of and prevalence of fire," said Susan Ustin, a professor of environmental and resource science at the University of California, Davis.

Warmer, windier weather and longer, drier summers would mean higher firefighting costs and greater loss of lives and property, according to researchers at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the U.S. Forest Service.

Both the number of out-of-control fires and the acreage burned are likely to increase -- more than doubling losses in some regions, they say in a study set for publication in the scientific journal Climatic Change.

While the study examined Northern California, "the concern for Southern California would be much higher," because that region is drier for longer periods, said researcher Evan Mills of the Lawrence Berkeley lab.
Because it's a desert. It was a desert a hunnert years ago and it'll be a desert a hunnert years in the future regardless of climate change. Things are dry in the desert, Evan, even dessicated environmentalists ...
Windier weather could bring to Northern California a variation of the desert Santa Ana winds that whipped the Southern California blazes into firestorms, said co-author Margaret Torn, also a Lawrence Berkeley researcher.

The researchers project at least a 50 percent increase in out-of-control fires in the south San Francisco Bay area and a 125 percent increase in the Sierra Nevada foothills, with a more than 40 percent increase in the area burned.
So there's hope for the Bay area ...
The state's northern coast saw no significant change under the computer model and conditions used in the study.

The researchers say the projections use conservative forecasts that don't take into account expected factors like increased lightning strikes and the spread of volatile grasslands into areas now dominated by less flammable fuel. Even potentially wetter winters simply mean more growth, providing additional fuel for summer fires.
Woe is us, we're doomed. It rains, we're doomed, it doesn't rain, we're doomed. These guys sound like my farmer uncle ...
"Fires may be hotter, move faster, and be more difficult to contain under future climate conditions," Robert Wilkinson of the University of California, Santa Barbara, School of Environmental Science and Management, said in a federal report on the impact of climate change on California. "Extreme temperatures compound the fire risk when other conditions, such as dry fuel and wind, are present."

Where fires once burned without doing much damage to property, Californians have now built homes and entire subdivisions -- a problem starkly illustrated by the Southern California blazes.

There are plenty of lessons to be learned, said California Resources Secretary Mary Nichols, who will leave office after this week as Gov. Gray Davis' administration gives way to that of Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger. "Certainly in the future we cannot allow construction quite so close to the (fire) zone, and we should create larger buffers" such as the irrigated greenbelt that helped keep fire from Los Angeles County's Stevenson Ranch while other communities were in flames, Nichols said.

Forests need to be cleared of the undergrowth that fed the flames, and the remaining dead, standing trees that still dot the San Bernardino Mountains must be removed, she said.
Which environmentalists don't like us to do 'cause it disturbs the karma of Mother Gaia ...
But that debate has pitted Democrat Davis against the Republican Bush administration, which has sought to allow logging of larger trees to pay for the removal of smaller unmarketable brush and chaparral. The result has been regulatory and legislative impasse.

State lawmakers are requiring the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection to begin charging rural homeowners for the cost of fire protection, as the state battles its massive budget deficit. Nichols suggested the state should consider additional "user fees" on development in fire-prone areas. As it is, taxpayers across the nation pay to fight California's wildfires and to reimburse homeowners for their losses. "If the true cost of fire protection were built into the cost of construction, it would not be as easy or as cheap as it has been to build in the foothills," Nichols said. "I think that would be a good thing."
While I heard this reported last night as "news", this particular article Google found first is almost four years old. Maybe they didn't say "new study".
Yup, four years ago, but don't worry, they're still wringing their hands ...
Posted by: Bobby || 10/24/2007 06:37 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good to see the old man getting the credit he deserves.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2007 8:54 Comments || Top||

#2  I saw on the news that some of the usual suspects are blaming El Nino again. If we find that homeless people set the fires to stay warm, we can blame it on El Wino instead.
Posted by: Lord Piltdown || 10/24/2007 12:16 Comments || Top||

#3  "Woe is us, we're doomed. It rains, we're doomed, it doesn't rain, we're doomed. These guys sound like my farmer uncle ..."

Do you remember the effects GW will have on Europe? Northern Europe will get drier and that will cause more rapid deterioration of ancient buildings because the sea salt will not get washed off, while Southern Europe will get wetter and that will cause more rapid deterioration of ancient buildings because of erosion. Gerbil wormening! It will make everything different and that will be worse and we should all just die so Gaia can quit being so angry.
Posted by: Gleang Ghibelline7448 || 10/24/2007 14:10 Comments || Top||

#4  What's really bad is that all these fires contribute to global warming, so what we have here is your basic self eating watermelon.....
Posted by: kelly || 10/24/2007 18:12 Comments || Top||

#5  FREEREPUBLIC/LUCIANNE/REDDIT/OTHER > GLOBAL WARMING HARBRINGER OF IMPENDING GLOBAL EXTINCTION. Deemed responsible for several past biotic extinctions, will do so again - WE'VE GOT 100 YEARS??? SHOULD'VE DEVELOPED THE PICARDIAN SUN/STAR-DESTROYING MISSLE WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/24/2007 20:38 Comments || Top||

#6  MVARIETY > Papua New Guinea's MANUS ISLANDS have lost eight islands due to Global Warming and consequent rising sea levels. More islands expected to be lost in future time. Also from MVARIETY, MAGN 5.0 Quake shakes PALAU/BELAU. *FREEREPUBLIC > 7.0-7.1 quake strikes INDONESIA [again].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/24/2007 20:50 Comments || Top||

#7  COSMOS Magzn > LIFE IN 2020 + USA TO COLONIZE MOON BY 2020 + GLOBAL OCEANS LOSING THEIR ABILITY TO ABSORB CARBON + WORLD/GLOBAL FOOD CHAIN FACING COLLAPSE? articles. Iff the SUN doesn't kill us, Russia-China + Radical Islam, others? will???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/24/2007 21:36 Comments || Top||

#8  PHYSICS.org > SCIENTISTS SAY LEVITATION IS NOT ONLY REAL BUT A COMING REVOLUTION. ME -Its a weekend, night-time and hot due to Global Warming, and the tweens/young adults have nothing better to do than go for an prolonged air stroll/flight in George Jetson's flying car. Mickey D sandwich cartons rain from the sky while they drive/fly over sunken or flooded US coastal cities-towns. Also from PHYSICS.org > A MASSIVE STAR 150 TIMES THE SIZE OF OUR SUN HAS EXPLODED. Guam, MADONNA = HEADBANGER'S BALL, July, etc. and 2007 Space explosions as seen from Guam. D *** NG IT, EVEN THE ORIONIDS/DRACONIDS METEORS ARE COMING IN AT WEIRD ANGLES!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/24/2007 21:47 Comments || Top||


Calif. fires force more than 500,000 from homes
SAN DIEGO — As a dozen fires raged along the coast of Southern California Tuesday for a third day, San Diego County took the brunt of the wind-whipped fury that is driving more than a half million people into makeshift shelters, including 10,000 evacuees huddled in QualComm stadium. The wildfires, driven by fierce Santa Ana winds at gusts up to 70 mph, have burned more than 1,300 homes and businesses and 373,000 acres, or 583 square miles.

By midday, half of the fires — stretching from Los Angeles to the Mexican border — were deemed out of control, according to data from the governor's office. Only one was listed as at least 50% contained, and that was only a 300-acre fire in San Diego county.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah, well.... I hate your politics. So there.
Posted by: newc || 10/24/2007 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Note to the RB community - snotty political comments about California will have to wait until the fires are out. That's 500,000 of our friends, neighbors and fellow Americans suddenly out of their homes. Send some money to the charity of your choice, don't forget the animal charities either. We're all in this together, fergawdsakes.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/24/2007 0:37 Comments || Top||

#3  I saw that the usual suspects are blaming this on El Nino.
If homeless people set it to stay warm, we can blame it on El Wino instead.
Posted by: Thins tse Tung7213 || 10/24/2007 1:06 Comments || Top||

#4  yesterdays bizness, ima embarrassed
#25.. jeeze Frank no need to ever.. plz, I understand perfectly. i waz half hoping for a joke LOL!
~~~~~~~~~

This fire is a real thing, imagine..
the upheaval

all the Babies and Kids, the Moms the Dads the Grand Parents. The Pets, the Stock, Horses, the Ranches, wild life...

businesses and homes...& wheelhicles that are burned up and gone forever.

Thanks SEA!
Posted by: Red Dawg || 10/24/2007 4:42 Comments || Top||

#5  El Wino..

~:)
Posted by: Red Dawg || 10/24/2007 4:43 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm still under mandatory evacuation. Several homes in my neighborhood are gone. The gummint tells me I won't be able to go home (if its still there) until Thursday or Friday at the earliest. Anyone that claims global warming is factor in this is an idiot. This part of the world has always burned. It is a naturally occurring event. The only difference now is there are people here to see it/be at the mercy of it. In fact some of our native plants only germinate after a fire. Thanks for everyone's thoughts and prayers.
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 10/24/2007 9:37 Comments || Top||

#7  My parents are sitting it out at their house, way out on a dirt road at the end of Paradise Mountain Road. There is a very large area of cleared land nearby, where such of their neighbors who stayted behind to look after horses and such have parked their vehicles. Fire marshal said they were safer there if the fire burned through, than trying to work their way down twisty, narrow hill roads (crowded with traffic) to the evacuation center.

They are just astounded, listening to the radio, about how pleasant and professional everyone is being, at places like the Qualcomm center... in comparison to the NO Superdome. Mom says its as if everyone is sliding their eyes sideways at Mayor Nagin and thinking, "Take note of how the competant folks handle a disaster!"
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 10/24/2007 9:37 Comments || Top||

#8  Global warming must be stopped. Every year in what we call "summer" the northern hemisphere heats up (same problem in the southern hemisphere during their "summer" months.

The only way to really stop this is to change the orbit of the Earth, stop solar flares, and to be safe change the axis of the Earth's tilt.

NASA's gonna need a bigger budget but when we're done, if we don't make things worse, the Earth will be a paradise.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/24/2007 11:09 Comments || Top||

#9  So. California Rantburgers stay safe and breathe well. We had a fire out this way a couple of days ago and by the grace of God and a paved road it was caught. It is difficult to explain how fast a fire can travel and our winds were only! 30mph. Largest I have fought was only 3 miles wide at 40-50mph and it was a mess - snoting briquets for weeks afterwards. Bless those fighting the fire and helping the evacuees.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/24/2007 12:31 Comments || Top||

#10  It's getting old and tiresome now. The only impact on me is the bad air, the evacuees in my house and the fact that my office is closed until Friday. It is tiresome and boring. I think how tiresome it must be for the evacuees, especially those in places like QualComm wondering if their house will still be standing when it's over. The fire fighters have it really tough. Yeah, they get paid overtime but with days on end of little or no sleep and dangerous work they are earning it. Some of their families have been evacuated too.

BTW, San Diego County in general is much more conservative than places like Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Our Representative in Congress is Duncan Hunter who is currently one of the more conservative Republican presidential candidates. He is no Nancy Pelosi.
Posted by: Abu Uluque6305 || 10/24/2007 13:04 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Crime and Punishment Down Under
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2007 21:07 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What is wrong with those cops. The money should be going the other direction... real talent there.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/24/2007 21:55 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Muslim Girls Intimidate Speaker at Wellesley Hillel
The radical Muslims on American campuses are getting more belligerent, far more militant,” author and lecturer Nonie Darwish tells me. “They have perfected their intimidation and disruption techniques.”
...

About 80-100 students came. Far more Muslim than Jewish students came and “so many” of the Muslim girls were wearing head-scarves.

According to Darwish, the female students in head-scarves did the following: As she spoke, they made exaggerated, “mean girl” faces at her. They rolled their eyes, practiced “disbelieving” facial expressions—did everything but stick out their tongues. And they continued to talk to each other in loud whispers while Darwish spoke: “How can she tell such lies!” “I was never, ever indoctrinated against Jews!” “Can you believe what she is saying?” “We do not call Jews pigs and apes, how can she lie about her own people?”

In addition to the “mean girl” faces and the continual loud whispering, one by one, at least four to five head-scarved girls, got up to leave the room during Darwish’s speech. This meant that each girl took two minutes to move to the end of her row, physically causing the other students to get up or twist aside, causing the entire room to look at the departing student, not at their invited guest—and then each girl did precisely the same thing when...
Posted by: mhw || 10/24/2007 08:24 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Long pictorial and video with commentary here:

http://www.zombietime.com/darwish_berkeley/
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2007 8:45 Comments || Top||

#2  It would have been truly tragic hilarious if—in the midst of their disruptive exits—these girls swine had accidentally been tripped and fallen several times.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/24/2007 9:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Liberal academe in America is rotten through and through with this kind of bullshit. It will end poorly...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/24/2007 10:10 Comments || Top||

#4  If you allow yourselves to be intimidated, you will be intimidated.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/24/2007 10:14 Comments || Top||

#5  bingo.
Posted by: lotp || 10/24/2007 10:33 Comments || Top||

#6  The thing to do is jokes. "Oh, another one! It must be a holiday for black bags or something"...
Posted by: mojo || 10/24/2007 10:35 Comments || Top||

#7  Problem is, any kind of ridicule directed at the muzz will get the PC police on the backs of those dishing the ridicule. Try bomb sniffing pigs instead. The muzz women will love having that grunting snout up underneath their burkas.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/24/2007 10:37 Comments || Top||

#8  Screw the PC police. But I like the bomb sniffing dogs idea.
Posted by: Abu Uluque6305 || 10/24/2007 11:36 Comments || Top||

#9  No wonder muslim women are placed in sacks; they obviously have no bladder control.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/24/2007 13:27 Comments || Top||


Wondering about our incredible military and efforts in California?
They're very busy! But, RB's knew they would be totally involved. But it's good to read reports of all they are doing.
Military personnel and assets are helping out in the most serious outbreak of wildfires in California in years. California National Guard and California-based active-duty personnel are providing some of the muscle needed to contain the fires, which have driven more than 300,000 people from their homes in 12 counties.

Officials at the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho, are working with representatives from U.S. Northern Command to coordinate requests for DoD personnel and assets. Northern Command also has personnel working in Southern California directly with local authorities.

With 11 fires burning out of control from Los Angeles to the Mexican border, some DoD installations are themselves in danger from the wildfires. Camp Pendleton, the San Diego Marine Recruit Depot and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar are among the installations asking only essential personnel to come in to work.

A total of 17,031 California National Guardsmen are available for employment if the situation calls for it, said officials at U.S. Northern Command. Some 33 active duty, 79 Defense civilian personnel and 1,500 California National Guardsmen are actively engaged or directly supporting firefighting response, security and relief operations. Another 550 Marines from Camp Pendleton have volunteered to help local authorities fight the fires in San Diego County.

California authorities have requested and the DoD has sent significant firefighting assets to the area. Helicopters are the most effective airborne asset, as the Santa Ana winds -- which are driving the fire -- make flying fixed-wing aircraft dangerous. California Guardsmen are flying a CH-47 and five UH-60 helicopters in the effort.
Helos don't have a problem with high winds?
Navy pilots are flying two MH-60 aircraft in support of local firefighting efforts. The Marine Corps have a CH-46 and three CH-53 helicopters on standby at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, and one additional helicopter on standby at Camp Pendleton. All of the choppers can drop water using buckets.

On Oct. 22, the National Interagency Fire Center requested six C-130 Hercules aircraft fitted with modular air firefighting systems. The Air National Guard will deploy four of these aircraft to Naval Air Station Point Mugu, Calif. They should arrive today. In addition, two C-130s from the 153rd Airlift Wing of the Wyoming Air National Guard, and two from the 145th Airlift Wing, North Carolina Air National Guard, are on alert. Two C-130s from the Air Force Reserve's 302nd Airlift Wing Peterson Air Force Base, Colo., also will arrive at Point Mugu Oct 23.

On the ground, the Marine Corps and Navy have deployed six fire trucks each to support local fire fighting efforts. The Navy has also provided a brush truck. All these moves are under mutual aid agreements signed with local authorities.

San Diego has a significantly large Navy population, and an Aegis cruiser, a guided-missile destroyer and two fast frigates will remain in port to support evacuation and movement of family members if necessary.

Officials also have set up the Naval Base San Diego gymnasium as an evacuation center, with room for about 500 people. Sailors also are setting up a 500-person tent city at Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, and space for 442 persons is being prepared at Naval Air Station El Centro.

Commanders have issued orders that all sailors ashore in barracks will move aboard ships to provide room for evacuees. The Navy also also providing 500 cots for a shelter at Qualcomm Stadium, home of the National Football League's San Diego Chargers.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has asked the Defense Department to identify a military installation in Southern California to be the forward staging area for supplies flowing south from the FEMA logistics center at Moffitt Field, Calif.

The California National Guard is doing heavy lifting in the effort. The 40th Special Troops Battalion, 40th Brigade Support Battalion and a military police battalion headquarters are providing command and control and logistics support at the Qualcomm Stadium shelter. The 40th Infantry Brigade Combat Team has alerted two 500-person rapid reaction battalions and two 100-person quick reaction companies. About 100 National Guard medical personnel are augmenting the staff at the San Diego Veteran's Center, which is experiencing critical staffing shortfalls resulting from voluntary and mandatory evacuation.
Posted by: Sherry || 10/24/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I expect few complaints from this operation.
Posted by: newc || 10/24/2007 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Suddenly, the protestors are gone. I wonder why that could be?
Posted by: gromky || 10/24/2007 3:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Suddenly, the protestors are gone. I wonder why that could be?
Posted by: gromky || 10/24/2007 3:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Compare wid NEWSMAX > IS CALIFORNIA UNGOVERNABLE?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/24/2007 5:12 Comments || Top||

#5  well, the protestors never have been an issue in So Cal. Minor league losers in small numbers. Most everyone has a currently-serving or ex-military neighbor
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2007 6:43 Comments || Top||

#6  posted without adding a "thank you" to all helping out. Too early - need coffee. My bad
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2007 6:44 Comments || Top||

#7  SoCal evacuations are of the same general size as Katrina, but I haven't seen stories of it taking 24 hours to go 24 miles. Maybe it's that there are more roads out per evacuee. Maybe it's that not everybody has to leave at the same time. Maybe they're just smarter and better at following instructions. Or maybe --- who's doing traffic control? I was in Newport, RI for Bicentennial Tall Ships - small place, few roads, big crowds, traffic moved well, because Marine MPs were directing it, and you went where they said, immediately, whether it was where you had intended or not; are there any Marine MPs in San Diego area or are they all in Fallujah?
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/24/2007 7:18 Comments || Top||

#8  they are on Pendleton, which is aflame. I-5 is closed south of San Clemente to Basilone Rd on Pendleton, and Amtrak is shut down
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2007 9:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Slightly off topic, but to add to the incredible asset listing here, i heard on Canadian Radio this morning that one of the last 2 Martin Mars flying water bombers is heading south to assist. this thing was originally designed and built in WW2 for the Navy as a transport. goggle it up and read the specs,; its a flying rainstorm...
also read that now the insurance companies are starting up the whine machine; hope their excuses don't befall any of the CaliBurgers or any of the victims of this.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/24/2007 14:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Camp Pendelton is almost always aflame, at least some parts. Firing tracer rounds and HE will do that sometimes.
Posted by: remoteman || 10/24/2007 15:42 Comments || Top||

#11  Couple of thoughts:

First, local, state, federal and military coordination in San Diego has been excellent. The primary reason was that in the 2003 fires it was virtually non-existent and authorities at all levels worked hard over the last four years to prepare. That work is paying off big time.

Second, comparisons with Katrina are tenuous at best. I have been through firestorms and earthquakes, and they are completely different beasts. I have not been through any hurricanes, but the challenge of facing sustained winds, rain and storm surges is far different than fighting advancing fires or taking a burst of short, violent shock waves. We had to evacuate, but we had open roads with open gas stations, open stores and open hotels. I don't think that was the case in Louisiana and Mississippi.

Lastly, San Diegans themselves do deserve a pat on the back. No panic, very little looting (and several of those caught), and enormous support for firefighting efforts and displaced families. Qualcomm Stadium and other evacuation centers were inundated with donated food and supplies, and were turning donors away. Although over 500,000 people evacuated their homes, there were more than sufficient public and private emergency centers established.
Posted by: DoDo || 10/24/2007 16:20 Comments || Top||

#12  New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin, I hope you and your people are taking good notes.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/24/2007 22:07 Comments || Top||

#13  New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin, I hope you and your people

They are just looking for an angle that they can work with Nancy and Barbara to cash in on some more FEMA trailers.
Posted by: Unutle McGurque8861 || 10/24/2007 22:12 Comments || Top||



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