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-Short Attention Span Theater-
You sent me to Afghanistan?
Posted by: .com || 12/03/2004 17:25 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Stan: "Dude, that sucks ass!"
Cartman: "Sweet! All the J*ws should be sent to Afghanistan."
Kenny: "Mmmmple mm mmmple mmplmmp."
Kyle: "You said it, Kenny."
Mrs. Broflofsky: "What, what, what?!"
Ike Broslofsky: "Wooowww! Afistan!"
Chef: "Children, I once got sweet lovin' under an afghan down by the fire."
Mr. Garrison: "I hear that you can get some hot back-door burka action in Kandahar."
Mr. Hat: "That's right, Mr. Garrison."
Mr. Mackey: "The Taliban are bad, mmkay. Don't be like the Taliban, mmkay."
Officer Barbrady: "Move along. Nothing to see here."
Uncle Jimbo: "When you an al Qaeda bastard, shout "He's coming right towards me!" before you shoot him."
Ned: "Then say "That all you got, biyatch?""
Timmy: "TIMMY!"
Big Gay Al: "That's super!"
Memphisto: "I'm deliciously sorry to hear that."
Mecha-Streisand: "ARGHHH!"
Mr. Hankey: "Don't forget to clean your ears."
Mrs. Cartman: "How about some Cheezy Poofs?"

Okay, enough.
Posted by: Tibor || 12/03/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL! *applause*
Posted by: .com || 12/03/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

Al Jazeera is a Zionist plot!
EFL & Hat tip to The Corner
The Al-Jazeera network was founded in 1997, ostensibly to help the terrorists create a new movement in the static media of the paranoid Arab world, which are mostly government controlled, and was initially welcomed.
What in the Middle East isn't government controlled?
Many media experts believed that the new network would create a revolution in the field of information dissemination, particularly in the Arab states on the Persian Gulf.
Countdown with me! 4, 3, 2,...
However, at the same time, rumors arose suggesting that the network was established by U.S. and Israeli agents in order to present a bad image of Islam to the world.
My dear friend, you need no help doing that.
Some regional experts expressed doubts about the allegations though, because the establishment of a media outlet with the aim of promptly informing Arab nations about the latest world news seemed to be a good idea. But the actions of the network gradually revealed the fact that Al-Jazeera officials, on the orders of Zionist agents, are trying to divide Islamic countries and tarnish the image of Islam.
The first step to success is to always blame others.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 12/03/2004 9:39:32 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The only thing that keeps me from laughing even louder is the raw evil that produces this sort of thinking.

The saddest/funniest bit is the recursive nature of this article. it still gives the Izzoids a bad image while decrying doing things that give the Izzoids a bad image.

They know something is wrong. Thats a big first step. Now they need to figure out what exactly is wrong. Thats going to take a while, it seems.
Posted by: N Guard || 12/03/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Bravo. This is brilliant. My hat's off to the psyc ops guys behind this one. Too funny.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#3  You sure its psy ops? It could be a for-real. At the evry least, it's a meme we should perhaps encourage.
Posted by: Mike || 12/03/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#4  You sure its psy ops...

of course not, that's the beauty is it not? Now the viewers will have to watch and wonder if they are being played for fools by the joooos. It will force them to actually think for themselves about what they are watching.
heh, heh, heh.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#5  All the psyops guys really have to do when their opponents are psychoceramics is sit around and play cards. The other side's doing more to ensure their eventual self-destruction than we can. All we can do is help the process along with an occasional strategic shove.
Posted by: Fred || 12/03/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#6  the Middle Easterners shouldn't feel bad. We, in the west, were played for fools by our own media for the last 40 years as well.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#7  So the point of the article is that any portrayal of muslim countries in a bad light is erroneous (ostensibly because muslim countries cannot be at fault?), or portrayal of nonmuslim countries in a good light must therefore be a Zionist conspiracy.

whew. the only way people read and buy that crapola is if they are too blinded by joooooo- and USA-hating to be capable of being objective.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 12/03/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Right on, Planet Dan - I believe the reason that the Muslim countries fail is because the keystone of their culture is blame. The Euro's will suffer the same fate if they are not careful. Even Jewish culture has that flaw - though Jews, like our liberal left, tend to blame themselves rather than others. I believe Christian cultures do better because they believe in the idea of forgiveness and redemption - allowing people to acknowledge and move on.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Gentlemen... I"m afraid you have PsyOp all wrong.
It doesn't work like that.

Or rather, it could, but we usually aren't allowed to do it.

however, I hear the CIA have their own rules and might be able to.

Did you know that army psyop isn't allowed to do "black" PsyOp in Iraq.

weird but true. Technically we're not even allowed to get involved in the poltical process anymore (education, turn out the vote, ANYTHING).

that's all up to the Embassy and the local gov now.

oh, and the UN of course.

"The horns hold up the halo"
Posted by: DeviantSaint || 12/03/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#10  it doesn't really matter who planted the seed, now does it? The average Muslim is probably horrified by the beheadings, the hate spewed from the pulpits, the amunition being stored in mosques and the fight against democracy.

This allows good Muslims an acceptable venue to speak out against the evil they see being done in the name of their religion. Al Jazeera is propaganda and they know it. That they blame the Jews is just compulsive behavior.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||

#11  This dovetails with our discussion of the latest bullshit from Jihad Unspun, as posted here by Mike Sylwester.
Whatever the intention, Al J's tales of Jihadi heroism and American depravity have inspired thousands of ignorant youngsters to feed themselves into the meat-grinder of American firepower and fighting skill. Al J was directly responsible, for example, for Iraqi mujas driving their soft-skinned vehicles directly at American tank columns during the invasion last year, with the usual results. AJ had run several propaganda pieces championing this picturesque, albeit suicidal, tactic.
The same is true of the jihadis' ludicrous and lethal practice of "spray and pray" urban fighting, the object of much glorification on AJ video. As one recently returned serviceman described it to me, "the dumb fucks put on their Rambo headbands, jump into the middle of the street, and blast away with their AKs. We spot them and it's 'bye bye, Abdul'."
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/03/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia may launch bombing campaign against terrorists outside its borders
Russia may use its strategic bombers to unleash preventive strikes against terrorists outside its borders, the commander of Russia's air force said Friday.
Wouldn't that be kinda dictatorial?
Gen. Vladimir Mikhailov's comments to the ITAR-Tass news agency aired on Friday were the most direct yet in Russia's rising rhetoric on attacking terrorists abroad. Mikhailov did not specify what targets the air force could potentially go after. Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov and other top officials have said that preventive strikes against terrorists could involve all means except nuclear, but they never went into such specifics as suggesting the use of strategic bombers. "If ordered, our missile-carrier aircraft will attack the terrorists with long-range, highly precise cruise missiles and aerial bombs. We will make use of everything we have," Mikhailov was quoted as saying.
Is there an echo in here?
The Defense Ministry said it could not confirm Mikhailov's remarks, make during a trip to Engels, in the central Volga River region. ITAR-Tass commented that Russia had initiated discussion of preventive strikes over a year ago "due to Washington's regular employment of this method in international affairs."
It'll be interesting to watch the libs convolute themselves over that state of affairs...
Meanwhile, Russia's Federal Security Service said Friday that an Arab mercenary who was killed in southern Russia late last month was a top representative of the al-Qaida terror network in the troubled North Caucasus region, which includes Chechnya. The dead man was identified last month as Akhmed Sambiyev, otherwise known as the "White Arab," now known as "the late" and security officials said at the time of the killing that he was either Syrian or Turkish. The Federal Security Service on Friday identified him as a Syrian called Marvan [Marwan]. He was killed on Nov. 25 when he put up armed resistance to arrest in the southern region of Ingushetia, which borders on Chechnya.
"[BANG!] Stick 'em up, Marwan!"
The security service's press office said that Marvan had been active in Chechnya beginning in 2000 and had been close to the late Arab militant leaders Khattab and Abu Walid. It said he was responsible for training young fighters, explosives training, and distributing money coming from foreign terrorist centers. Last month, he had been identified as a top aide to Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.
And now he's nothing but a fond memory and a lingering odor...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/03/2004 12:53:00 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Article: Russia may use its strategic bombers to unleash preventive strikes against terrorists outside its borders, the commander of Russia’s air force said Friday.

Let me guess - a lot of these strikes are going to be in the former Soviet republics.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#2  too bad he doesn't mean Iran.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#3  I wouldn't assume he doesn't mean Iran.
Posted by: phil_b || 12/03/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Hot dawg! Go for it!
Send Tupolevs' finest!
Send in the Bears!

Or prehaps we get a peek at the BackFire in action?

Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#5  It'll be interesting to see what % of planes that take off actually manage to carry out their mission without mechanical failure or other mishaps. I wonder if worries over this is why we haven't seen them do this before. These planes are part of their strategic deterrant, and if people see them crapping out, they aren't very scary anymore.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 12/03/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#6  Of course, Putin's definition of a terrorist could be pesky demonstrators thwarting his dreams of Greater Russia in downtown Kiev....
Posted by: Dreadnought || 12/03/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||

#7  This is nothing but bluster. Russia (Putin) has yet to respond to Beslan, and won't. The vuanted Russian Bear is a f**king pansy. The Bear will stab you in the back (Iran/Iraq), but hasn't the manhood to take on a problem straight forward and head long.
Posted by: Mark Z. || 12/03/2004 16:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Is it manhood, Mark Z., or unfed soldiers with nonworking equipment?
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#9  There's also a rather serious public health issue in Russia - only 11% of conscripts are deemed fit enough for military service.
Posted by: Elmoting Granter5118 || 12/03/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#10  Mark Z. has it right. Nothing of any consequence has been done since Beslan. When you pull off a raid or attack, you don't put an ad out about it, you just plan it meticulously, rehearse it, and then you do it. Pooty poot has been consolidating his power to make Russia look more like the old USSR, but he has not been taking care of the real business. He had lots of support after Beslan, but he blew it by inaction and lack of decisiveness.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Putin's Russia is a failing state with vague, incoherent superpower ambitions. Like an often- drunk Gerry Cooney way past his prime, they need to be handled very carefully: ignored frequently, flattered often, handled roughly when he gets his blood up.
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#12  Putin has a nice "wag the dog" scenario in waiting whenever he deems it necessary to exploit it. Post-Beslan he'll be lionized at home for any action he deems to be directed against terrorists and internationally he's already been immunized from the worst criticisms by the US example in Afghanistan. He's just waiting for the right moment to maximize his personal political gain.
Posted by: AzCat || 12/03/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#13  Russia - a riddle, inside a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, or words to that effect.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 12/03/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#14  There's also a rather serious public health issue in Russia - only 11% of conscripts are deemed fit enough for military service.

Almost every man I saw over there was in top condition. The only men I saw who weren't physically fit were either
1) drunk
2) drug addicts
3) disabled in some way.

What else could the 11% mean?
Posted by: Jules 187 || 12/03/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#15  Before launching bombing campaigns outside it's borders will Russia first get permission from the UNSC? YEAH, right.
Posted by: GK || 12/03/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#16  a riddle, inside a mystery, wrapped in an enigma,

Ooo, lemme finish:

a riddle, inside a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a soft flour tortilla with cheese and sour cream...
Posted by: badanov || 12/03/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#17  A SPAM burrito?

My guess the Panski Gorge which certain people refuse to deal with in a meaningful way.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/03/2004 19:30 Comments || Top||

#18  Well given the swell levels of readiness and general high quality maintenance the Russky strategic bomber group has received, I would say that for a while at least, the folks living just off the end of the runway are in more danger than the turban heads in Iran, Syria and Saudia Arabia.

Speaking of Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia, isn't that who Vlad ole buddy pal of George W is talking about? Maybe France? Nope, obviously one of the Middle Eastern Big Three.

I think if they can get all of the deferred maintenance done on thier Bisons, Backfires and MIG's, the mullahs would be wise to write their wills, the Russians can be pretty heavy handed when riled. Just ask Berlin.

I think we should secretly give Russia some target lists and some spare parts.
Posted by: SOG475 || 12/03/2004 19:40 Comments || Top||

#19  There is nothing ailing the Russian draftee pool that a doctor's bribe can't find. As a general rule, the kids don't have nearly the muscle mass of American 18 year olds and you rarely see fat 18 yr old boys.

If Putin attacks anywhere, I expect Georgia. He's trying to put together as much of the old Soviet Union as possible and an attack of Georgia will put the fright into the other former republics.
Posted by: ed || 12/03/2004 21:25 Comments || Top||

#20  an attack of Georgia will put the fright into the other former republics.

Sorta depends on how the Georgia attack turns out. Most of the Soviet/Russian military triumphs since 1945 consist of tanks facing down civilians successfully. If they run into armed resistance in Georgia, it could prove embarrassing. In that case, he could be looking like just another third world thug. After all, they use Russian weapons.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 12/03/2004 21:53 Comments || Top||

#21  Forget it. Russia's military is a complete disaster: drunk, disorganized, demoralized, throughly corrupt, in a word, incompetent. They can't even put down a third-rate insurrection within their own borders.

Mark my words: Russia is a failed state. Pakistan North. They need urgent attention and a very tight embrace of the hug-your-enemies-closer variety. Not so different from what we apply to Musharraf. Ukraine and Georgia are not the endgame here; Iran is. Wean them off the Iranian tit-- bribe their nuclear industry, pay whatever it takes, but get Russia out of the nuclear business. A failing state with unguarded nukes and mafia-ridden security services is a catastrophe in the making.
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 23:02 Comments || Top||

Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Friday of pursuing a dictatorial foreign policy and said mounting violence could derail progress toward bringing peace and democracy to Iraq.
What's the matter Putin? Another backdoor deal about to go sour in Iran?
Putin also criticized the West for setting double-standards on terrorism, pursuing Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan and Iraq while giving refuge to "terrorists" demanding Chechnya's independence from Russia.
Actually, I agree with him on that one...
The Kremlin leader's tough remarks came on a visit to former Cold War ally India, where he and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh issued a joint call for greater cooperation in stabilizing and rebuilding Iraq. Unilateralism increased risks that weapons of mass destruction might fall into the hands of terrorists, and would stoke regional conflicts, Putin said in a hard-hitting speech to an invited audience. "Even if dictatorship is packaged in beautiful pseudo-democratic phraseology, it will not be able to solve systemic problems," Putin said. "It may even make them worse".
Bring it on Putin you little commie bastard.
Putin did not name the United States, but clearly had the administration of President Bush in mind when he said policies "based on the barrack-room principles of a unipolar world appear to be extremely dangerous."
More of Putin's threats in the link
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 12/03/2004 1:54:33 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, he would know...
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Is ther some old saying about pots, and kettles, and the color black????

He he he
Posted by: BigEd || 12/03/2004 15:58 Comments || Top||

Russia's Putin Calls U.S. Policy 'Dictatorial'
Nobody's been slaughtered recently in Russia, huh? Beslan was, what? Three months ago?
Posted by: Fred || 12/03/2004 1:16:40 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is the guy who's subverting elections in the Ukraine talking.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Zhang-Yep, same template-lash out at Bush when the problem is rooted in his own roost (remember Putin's attack on the West after Beslan).

This should initiate an adjustment in President Bush's 'soul' esteem, if Putin's betrayal of us in Iraq hadn't already done so. Putin is a very powerful man with a stained political history and a blackbelt in the art of corruption.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 12/03/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#3  J187: This should initiate an adjustment in President Bush's 'soul' esteem, if Putin's betrayal of us in Iraq hadn't already done so.

I wouldn't take GWB's words too literally - if he's the kind of poker player he's said to be, some of what he says is just social patter.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Democrats and former Communists agree: accuse your adversaries of the things you are actually doing.
Posted by: eLarson || 12/03/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#5  e-larson, so true. It's no surprise this comes out the same day he says he's going to bomb outside their borders.

Putin always says something outrageous about the US on the same day he slips other bombshells into the press. Must be his new favorite shiny keys tactic.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||

#6  I used to think Putin was a pretty good guy till his backdoor antics in Iraq were disclosed.
He's just another little shit from a little shit government sticking his nose where it doesent belong. He is in bed with Chirac. Anything these two dopes can do to sidetrack the War and Peace effort in Iraq they will try. Just another way to try and cover their asses in their illegal dealings with Saddam. And have you ever seen such a hipocrit ?? " Putin also criticized the West for setting double-standards on terrorism, pursuing Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq while giving refuge to "terrorists" demanding Chechnya (news - web sites)'s independence from Russia. " I dont remember Bush ( or Clinton for that matter ) making under the table deals with Chechnan Terrorists. The little russian hound has made deals with Saddam, Iran, and who the hell else knows, and then has the balls to accuse the Bush of a double standard. Bush is probably laughing in his boots. Communist Rat Bastard !!!!

Posted by: tex || 12/03/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#7  Various EU countries, including the UK, have been giving asylum to Chechnian leaders. Not sure which ones and why, but I can see why the Russkis wouldn't like that.

On the other hand, there's a lot to dislike in Putin's tyrannical regime.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 12/03/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#8  He rounded on Britain for giving asylum to Akhmed Zakayev and the United States for giving refuge to Ilyas Akhmadov, spokesmen for Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov.
"Providing safe haven and support to terrorists, their accomplices and sponsors actually serves as a justification and, indeed, an encouragement of their crimes," Putin said.

Well, he's got a point there.
Posted by: Rafael || 12/03/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||

#9  sticking his nose where it doesent belong.

You mean, sort of like Colin Powell denouncing Ukraine's elections?? Elections that would have put Putin's man in power, in Putin's sphere of influence. You can sort of understand why Putin would have a burr under his saddle right now. First Ukraine, then Belarus...where will it stop?
Posted by: Rafael || 12/03/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#10  "sort of understand ", " Well, he's got a point there "
fuckem !!
Posted by: dog184 || 12/03/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#11  He rounded on Britain for giving asylum to Akhmed Zakayev and the United States for giving refuge to Ilyas Akhmadov, spokesmen for Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov.
"Providing safe haven and support to terrorists, their accomplices and sponsors actually serves as a justification and, indeed, an encouragement of their crimes," Putin said.

Well, he's got a point there

Time for RB university to go into action. Can anyone summarize the cases for and against Maskadov? IIUC, the he was prez when Def Minister Basayev launched his attack on Dagestan, and other nefarious activities. Maskadov has always said Basayev had gone rogue, and he (maskadov) was not responsible for Basayevs acts, at the time, or since. Russkies say otherwise. Brits apparently dont consider this proof, nor does the US. Any further elaboration?
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 12/03/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||

#12  Coming from Vlad the Impaler, this might be a compliment.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/03/2004 18:54 Comments || Top||

#13  Both countries, US and Russia, have the same problem, terrorist/insurgency, yet he chooses to critize us.
Posted by: Unavigum Phaimp2666 || 12/03/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||

#14  Putin's just peeved because he's having problems reassembling the caliphate Russian empire.
Posted by: ed || 12/03/2004 21:04 Comments || Top||

S Korea's Roh cautions US hawks
South Korea's President Roh Moo-hyun has warned the US not to drive North Korea into a corner by taking too aggressive an approach.
"Don't stir them up! They're crazy, y'know..."
He voiced concern about influential US circles who, he said, were calling for regime change in North Korea. Instead, President Roh urged a policy of persuasion and dialogue as a better way to get North Korea to change. He was speaking in a BBC interview on the first state visit to the UK by a South Korean president. "I feel that the more advisable course would be one that would not drive North Korea into a corner," he said.
He means a tighter corner than they've built for themselves...
His comments come at a delicate time in international efforts to persuade North Korea to rejoin talks on its controversial nuclear programme. In the interview, the South Korean president said no one would tolerate a nuclear capability in North Korea and it was not that the US government had been aggressive. "Let me assure you that the North Korean nuclear weapons capability will by no means, and under no circumstances, be tolerated," he said.
"What'll you do if they go forward with it?"
"Ummm... We'll hold talks!"
But he said some vocal circles in the US with considerable influence had been calling for regime change in North Korea, when the only way to induce it to embark on reforms was through dialogue. It is not the first time South Korea has insisted that resolving the crisis over North Korea can only be done peacefully.
"I mean, they like to goose-step, and they rattle sabers, and they're usually whacked out on white slag, but it can only be done peacefully...
But these latest comments appear to reflect increased nervousness at what is being described as a tense moment in negotiations. For months North Korea has been holding its breath and turning blue refused to rejoin multi-party talks, blaming what it called a hostile US attitude and apparently waiting to see what would be the result of the US election. Now this week it once again rebuffed attempts to restart a dialogue. It seems South Korea's president is worried that unless rhetoric in the US is toned down, it may be difficult to appease the NKors get North Korea to change its mind. Despite "considerable controversy" back home over his Iraq policy, Mr Roh said he will be looking to extend the duration of deployment of Korean troops.
Posted by: tipper || 12/03/2004 9:38:29 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Instead, President Roh urged a policy of persuasion and dialogue as a better way to get North Korea to change.

A better idea would be for ALL U.S. forces to be removed from South Korea so that Roh can carry out whatever policies he likes. If he wants to lick Kimmie's boots, he does so on his own.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 12/03/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd withdraw 5000 every time he opens his yap.
Posted by: Frank G || 12/03/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#3  IIRC though the S.Koreans have the third largest contingent in Iraq. Corrections?
Posted by: Don || 12/03/2004 15:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Don,
that sounds about right. They can withdraw their folks back from Iraq to S.Kor and we can pull all 37K we have in S.Kor to Iraq. Let them and Kimmie have at it. We'll deal w/the winner. Sounds fair to me.
Posted by: Phiter Glolung1555 (aka Jarhead) || 12/03/2004 15:58 Comments || Top||

Down Under
Fundi Victory In Melbourne
Posted by: tipper || 12/03/2004 09:47 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Miss Iran 2004 v/s Lovely Rita. haha.

[whistling tune] Throw a nickel on the drum.
ha! Some victory. Just what every woman wants, a Salvation Army Drum Banger as their role model.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

Eureka uprising over Hicks' inclusion
THE Eureka Stockade's 150th anniversary march is facing an uprising of Victorians opposed to the choice of alleged terrorist David Hicks' father as its leader. Political leaders, community figures and grassroots Victorians have condemned the choice of Terry Hicks to lead Sunday's dawn lantern walk of about 1000 people. Ballarat-born Premier Steve Bracks described the decision as inappropriate, and federal Treasurer Peter Costello lashed the move. "He (David Hicks) was picked up in Afghanistan, and I don't think he was a sightseer," said Mr Costello.
'course not! He was a student!
"If his (Terry Hicks) qualification is that he is the father of David, I don't see what that's got to do with Eureka." Mr Bracks said the Eureka celebration was not there to be hijacked. "Eureka is for everyone. It's not for the National Front on the Right of politics who want to own it," he said. "It's not for extreme Left-wing groups who want to own it. It's for everyone."
This guy clearly isn't a leftist. Everything is supposed to be political.
The great-great grandson of Eureka leader Peter Lalor branded the move an "act of lunacy". Descendant Peter Lalor called on organisers to drop Mr Hicks. "It's just lunacy, and has the potential to set back what we've been trying to do over the last 25 years," he said. "This is really dividing the community. We're working so hard to keep this apolitical, and by inviting Terry along they run the risk of marginalising it."

The Herald Sun revealed yesterday Mr Hicks had accepted an invitation by march organisers to lead the event. Opposition Leader Robert Doyle demanded that Mr Hicks be dropped. "Eureka celebrations should be bringing us together, not dividing us. I hope what we can do is convince Mr Hicks that it would not be appropriate to march on Sunday." Prime Minister John Howard said it was up to the organisers but made a veiled swipe at the decision. "But the question of who is invited to participate obviously says something about the feelings and attitudes of those who are organising the gathering. Need I say more?" Mr Howard said.
Depends on how thick your audience is.
The decision to choose Mr Hicks was made by lantern walk organiser Graeme Dunstan, and is not supported by the City of Ballarat. "The decision to invite Mr Terry Hicks to lead the Eureka dawn walk is not a council decision and is not endorsed by council," said City of Ballarat chief executive officer Richard Hancock. "There is no leader of the walk, as is befitting of the democratic principles of Eureka."
"We know nothing!"
"That's when I fell for
The leader of the pack! [VROOM! VROOM!]"
"Hey! There ain't no leader of the pack! Get them motorcycles out o' here!"
Mr Dunstan, whose website www.peacebus.com says he starts each day with breakfast, coffee and "a small cannabis pipe", stood by the decision to involve Mr Hicks. "Terry Hicks was a perfect choice because he typified the spirit of the Eureka Stockade and he was fighting against injustice to free his son," he said.
"Like, want a hit off this small cannabis pipe, man?"
Terry Hicks said he would not be deterred, and denied he had made the walk a political football. "My great-grandfather was part of the Eureka Stockade," he said. "We are not sure of his participation, but he was there."
So, walk in the back.
Mr Hicks, whose son is being held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, accused of training with terrorists, said his family connection added weight to his inclusion in the walk. But Mr Bracks said Eureka represented a battle for democracy. "Is it about ordinary people who wanted to have an independence movement," he said. "Put that aside about whether it's a Left movement, a Centre movement, a Right movement ... it's a move for democracy."

Bill Neal, 66, of Ballarat, said he was not in favour of Mr Hicks's involvement. "I think the whole idea has been hijacked. It was not the original intention of the 150th celebrations to be used this way," he said. Mr Neal said either a descendent of Peter Lalor or the Prime Minister should lead the march. Fellow Ballarat resident Raeline Bennett, 49, said: "If someone were to lead it, it should be a descendent." Ron Egeberg, who runs the Eureka Centre, said people had the right to have their say. "That's what Eureka is all about. I don't have an issue with Terry Hicks, but it's unfortunate people want to draw parallels between David Hicks and the Eureka Stockade."
Rather hard not to, though.
Ballarat-born Olympian Steve Moneghetti said he hoped forlornly people did not focus on Mr Hicks. "But at least it has given it some publicity. Maybe not for the right reasons, though."
Posted by: God Save The World || 12/03/2004 2:36:29 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ok, first you're going to have to explain just what the hell the "Eureka Stockade" is, or was. One of the original lockups for the ne'er-do-wells that got sent to Australia? (just a guess)
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Thanks for asking mojo... I didn't want to be alone.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#3  http://users.netconnect.com.au/~ianmac/eureka.html

This has info.
Posted by: God Save The World || 12/03/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Politix
Rumsfeld to stay in defence post despite criticism over Iraq war
Donald Rumsfeld, America's combative and famously undiplomatic defence secretary, has survived the criticisms over his handling of the Iraq war and will remain in charge of the Pentagon, it emerged yesterday...
Cue music.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 8:48:14 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  heh heh - he's not done yet. And he remembers 1979, Tehran
Posted by: Frank G || 12/03/2004 20:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Undiplomatic----veddy veddy good. That is a prerequisite for head of DoD. We need a hard driving SOB that makes things happen. We do not need to fight the WoT sennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnsitively. Rumsfeld gets results and thinks outside the box. I hope Condi does the same for State. They need a rebuild in the worst way, especially after the Kofi Kompliment yesterday. What asshats!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Newsflash: Bush stays at presidency despite criticism.
Posted by: ed || 12/03/2004 21:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Pinch me, I'm dreaming. Bush wins, Rummy stays, CIA screams, Powell leaves. Good times.
Posted by: someone || 12/03/2004 21:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Cue Music

The Ride of the Valkyries comes to mind...
Posted by: Ptah || 12/03/2004 22:01 Comments || Top||

#6  This must have gone over really well with the Iranians and the Norks.
Posted by: Matt || 12/03/2004 23:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Between Rice at State and Rumsfeld at Defense, what we have here is a bad cop, bad cop combination. I have to believe GWB is sending a message with his appointments. Things are set to get real interesting in his second term.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 23:24 Comments || Top||

#8  What is it here...? timurileng.blogspot.com, hulugu (son of tolui)... Are mongols incarnating right and l... no, not left, left seem to be containers for ovis refuse.
Posted by: Sobiesky || 12/04/2004 0:06 Comments || Top||

Florida PEST victims Meet for Therapy
I had a very hard time believing that this was not a hoax, but it checks out: The paper is legitimate and ran this on their front page, Sean Salai is a real reporter, the moonbat therapist Sheila Cooperman is a genuine psy-quack with an extensive public record, and AHA Director Gordon is discussing this on the Hannity show this afternoon (4PM EST).
Florida Kerry supporters meet for group therapy
by Sean Salai
Twenty John Kerry supporters met for their first group therapy session in South Florida Thursday, screaming epithets at President Bush as they shared their emotions with licensed mental health counselors. The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST).
So what're they doing different?
"If I had a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and these people wanted to throw darts at it, I would let them do it," Robert J. Gordon, AHA executive director, told the Boca News after the session. "It's no joke. People with PEST were traumatized by the election. If you even mention religion, their faces turn blister-red as they shout at Bush."
Sean Hannity had one of those licensed psychologists on this afternoon as I was driving home from work. I switched stations. I don't have time for that silliness.
Although the meeting was closed to the press, AHA therapists obtained permission from participants to provide an anonymous transcript to the Boca Raton News.
"I'm scared," said one man. "Democracy is at stake and nobody is rising to protest this president."

"I want to be a patriot, but it's impossible to be a patriot in an immoral war," said another participant, a woman. "Bush is breaking up marriages and dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq."
Gordon said the participants also granted reluctant permission to open up next Thursday's meeting to the general press.
Can I get a press pass? I've got some fruit that's been in the fridge too long.
Reporters will be forbidden from taking photographs or using the real names of patients. "The media outlets, especially Rush Limbaugh and his ilk on talk radio, scare our patients to death," said Gordon, facilitator for the meetings. "More than anything else, people with PEST tremble physically."
Limbaugh scares this mostly Jewish crowd? How do they feel about, say, Zarqawi?
Gordon said the Kerry supporters in therapy are predominantly Jewish and older than 50. Most are registered independents and all live in Palm Beach County. "We mostly let them vent during the first session," Gordon said. "By the third session, we'll be doing some meditation exercises to aid some of their symptoms. We may use visualization and some techniques designed for bipolar disease and other mental disorders. That might help them adjust to reality."
So might a swift kick in the arse.
According to AHA officials, symptoms of PEST are similar to post-traumatic stress disorder. They include nightmares, sleeplessness, hostility, listlessness, and emotional outbursts including threats to leave the country. "There's an overall sense of emotional helplessness and abandonment," said Sheila Cooperman, a licensed AHA psychotherapist from Delray Beach. "In psychology, we call it 'learned helplessness.' After you zap a caged dog twice, he stops moving because he knows there is no place to go. That's what happened with these Kerry voters. They've been zapped so many times that they're on the verge of giving up on politics."
Just how many caged dogs has this evil moonbat zapped anyway?
Cooperman, also a practicing psychic, added, "One person today said he thinks the country is now run by fascists.
The MSM?
Since he's psychic, he prob'ly knew that before the guy walked in.
Another felt personally threatened by the president's love for big business. Many believe Bush is going to draft their grandchildren.
Can't tell the difference between Charlie Rangel and Dubya? Racists!
Charlie's the fat one...
The anxiety may not affect them every day, but it affects their energy level." An additional 30 people are signed up for two other AHA election support groups, which will meet for the remainder of the year and possibly beyond. Gordon said his patients' emotional problems typically started with the "hanging chad" debacle of 2000. "First, they need to realize they're not going to overturn the 2004 election," Gordon said. "They have to live with it. The problem is they have no faith because they think the religious right has hijacked the political system. We try to tell them there is still an election in 2008. You can't just give up and be apathetic."
Sure you can, you'll feel much better.
I'm feeling very apathetic about this whole thing...
The AHA, using a holistic approach to health that has been mocked as new age voodoo by some national talk show hosts, has stressed to patients that their post-election emotions are normal and deserve to be taken seriously.
Actually, it's the traditional Afro-Caribbean practice of Voodoo that is demeaned by this comparison.
"These people talk about the 2000 election being stolen," Gordon said. "They talk about Theresa LePore and the Ohio recount. They feel it's the 'Right House,' not the White House. They feel the world is not safe with George W. Bush as president. They spewed out a lot of anger. They are angry at the Democratic Party for being aimless and leaderless.
A broken clock....
They have a right to these feelings." The Boca Raton News first reported on Nov. 9 that depressed Florida Kerry supporters were seeking trauma therapy in the wake of the Nov. 2 presidential election. One Boca psychologist alone, Douglas Schooler, eventually treated 20 Kerry voters with intense hypnotherapy — for a sliding fee. The trauma specialist, whose bills were covered by clients' insurance companies, was later accused by some colleagues of unethically "cashing in" on the misery of Kerry voters. In interviews with the Boca News, Schooler said many of the Kerry supporters had visited him for severe mental problems prior to the election.
Y'mean they were nuts before they walked into the voting booth? Where's the story in all this?
Unlike Schooler, the AHA is a registered Florida non-profit and its therapists do not charge for sessions. Conservative talk show hosts Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh recently offered their own "free therapy," irking the AHA counselors.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/03/2004 4:13:04 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6466 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Gordon said the Kerry supporters in therapy are predominantly Jewish and
older than 50."

It's the Boca UJA!

If it was some other group, I would be surprised. But I imagine these people get together regularly just to complain about something. The Weather, the Stock Market, In-laws, etc... This week happens to be the Post Election bitching week. Next week it will be the loneliness they feel during the holiday season.

Relax! Enjoy life!
Posted by: Penguin || 12/03/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#2  There is a nascent trend among the global LLL to have opposing positions declared a menace to public health. Laughable though it is now, this PEST epidemic would seem to be part of that trend.
Another example would be the bogus Lancet study that sought to characterize US policy as a public health hazard.
This new strategy follows the partial failure of an earlier LLL campaign, the attempt to criminalize opposition expression as "hate speech."
The new age quack industry, so-called non-traditional or alternate health care, would seem to be a fertile field for LLL recruitment and activism, supplying a large and pre-mobilized body of adherents who are characteristically fantasy prone and naturally disposed toward conspiracy theories.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/03/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#3  The ACME deluxe apathy meter registers moderate apathy. That's a good one, Fred.

If you really want to give these loony people a righteous cerebral aneurism around the Circle of Willis, pipe in a broadcast of Michael Savage.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 20:56 Comments || Top||

#4  I believe the technical term for this is Kvetching
Posted by: Frank G || 12/03/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Aw, who cares about the Apathy meter?...

(That's a joke, son)
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 21:13 Comments || Top||

#6  What units is the meter calibrated in? Microgiveashits?
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/03/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Dave D---ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 23:56 Comments || Top||

Home Front: WoT
Profile: Bernard Kerik
Bernard Kerik - chosen by President Bush to protect the US from security threats - is no stranger to danger. The nominee to head the Department of Homeland Security, known as "Bernie" to his friends and colleagues, has worked in the fields of law enforcement and security for decades. Mr Kerik is a tough-talking former street cop and undercover narcotics officer. His background is very different to that of Tom Ridge whom he will be replacing.

While Mr Ridge is a Harvard-educated, former congressman and governor of Pennsylvania, Mr Kerik's story is one of a battle against the odds to become New York City's top cop and then the country's head of domestic security. Growing up in a tough neighbourhood of Paterson, New Jersey, no one would have known that he would go on to lead one of the biggest police forces in the world, winning plaudits for overseeing the police department's heroic efforts in the wake of the 11 September 2001 terror attacks. His mother had abandoned him as a toddler and he spent his childhood in the homes of relatives and friends until his father was awarded custody. It was not until decades later, while writing his memoirs, that he discovered his mother had been an alcoholic prostitute who had been murdered in Ohio.

Mr Kerik dropped out of high school to join the army, where he became a military policeman stationed in South Korea. After a few years, he left to work as a security expert in the Middle East, including a stint with the Saudi royal family. But he had always wanted to be a policeman and it was to the New York Police Department that he turned. He joined the force in 1986 as a street cop and became a star undercover narcotics detective who helped bring down members of Colombia's Cali cartel. In 1991, he was awarded the NYPD Medal of Valor for his role in a shoot-out during a drugs bust in Washington Heights.
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Posted by: tipper || 12/03/2004 10:11:55 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I have the hardback edition of Bernie Kerik's book 'The Lost Son'. The book is well worth reading, more so since the President has chosen Mr. Kerik as headman of Homeland Security.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 12/03/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#2  My concern He is a NYPD guy. NYPD=gun grabbers.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/03/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#3  What's his middle name?...
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

New Mexico Town Gets New Life
Explosions, screams for help and hovering Black Hawk helicopters broke the stillness as this nearly abandoned copper mining town took on a new role as an anti-terrorism training center. A wide-ranging mock terrorist scenario played out Thursday before hundreds of onlookers as the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology officially began training here. Playas has been virtually empty for months, since the mining company that built it packed up and moved out, taking most of the town's jobs. But the institute - the town's new owner - is bringing new life in the form of terrorist response. "This is a rebirth of a town. The university is very excited," said Van Romero, the school's vice president of research and economic development.

Helicopters from the Homeland Security Department dropped off SWAT teams in full tactical gear, then took to the air as officers swarmed a home where bomb-making had been reported. As a robot removed and detonated a bomb, a suicide bomber set off an explosion in a bus. Thirty-seven first-responders operated a command center during the exercise, and the SWAT teams were made up of local law enforcement agencies such as the Dona Ana County sheriff's office. Sen. Pete Domenici and Rep. Steve Pearce, both New Mexico Republicans, were among VIPs removed to a nearby airport as part of the exercise. Domenici recalled his first reaction to turning the town into a training center. "I couldn't believe it when they called me up and said they wanted to buy Playas," he said. "I said, 'Are you crazy?'" But he said he soon realized the town's advantages for training. The 640-acre township built by Phelps Dodge Corp. in 1972 includes a 25-unit apartment complex, community center, grocery store, medical clinic and air strip, as well as 1,200 surrounding acres.

Plans to transform it into the National Emergency Response Training, Research and Development Center have been in the works for months. The institute finalized the deal to buy the town for $5 million in September after getting the go-ahead from the Homeland Security Department. "It holds great promise for New Mexico and the rest of the nation," Romero said. Phelps Dodge employee Tommy Townsend, who still lives in the town, said he welcomes the institute as the new owner and was impressed by the first exercise. The remaining residents now live at one end of town, and Townsend doesn't expect the training explosions to be a problem. "The fact is, it's gonna bring some jobs to this part of the world, so you can put up with some explosions," he said.

The institute has done military research for decades and has helped train thousands of police and firefighters as first responders in emergencies. Its classes cover response tactics applied to real-life scenarios and situations involving suicide bombers, bioterrorism and car bombs. Playas provides an ideal classroom to train first-responders in simulated terrorist attacks and other disasters. Romero said the community's isolation in a remote area of southwestern New Mexico works in its favor. "Nobody's going to sneak up on us," he said.
Posted by: Steve || 12/03/2004 9:20:04 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is where anti UFO training is being perfected. Three elderly Roswell Grays are running the show.
Posted by: half || 12/03/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#2  I've been to (well, through) Playas. There's nothing breakable there.
Posted by: jackal || 12/03/2004 21:27 Comments || Top||

Army Makes Training Base Feel Like Iraq
With faux insurgents, fake bombs, real concrete barriers and a little city of tents, training to prepare Reservists and National Guard members for Iraq is becoming more realistic. Over the past few months, one 40-acre section of Fort Dix has been transformed into "Forward Operating Base," a camp with new gravel roads and 100 tents that replicates an Army base in Iraq. Similar training bases are going up at installations across the country. On Thursday, the Army offered civilian base employees and the media a relatively rare glimpse at how the Army trains soldiers to fight in an Iraq where insurgent fighting continues to add to the American death toll. Fort Dix has trained more mobilizing part-time soldiers than any other base since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Before the camp was built, soldiers training at Dix stayed in barracks and rode uneventfully on buses to each day's drill. Now, the drills, like the war, are nonstop.

Simulated mortar fire interrupts moments that are quiet aside from the loud drone of electrical generators. The convoys to drill sessions are sometimes broken up by roadside ambushes. When soldiers sleep, it's in tents packed with a score of their colleagues. Meals for the more than 1,300 soldiers staying at the base are taken in a small dining tent without chairs. Within the next six months, officials plan to have showers, pool tables and facilities to repair military vehicles on the base - all features of bases in Iraq. Late Thursday morning, a contractor acting the part of an Iraqi insurgent hurled a box containing a firecracker into a checkpoint manned by members of the Virginia National Guard. In a hectic and smoky battlefield scene, one soldier acted out having a leg struck with shrapnel and a pretend insurgent was "shot" in the chest when a soldier fired a blank at him. Medics had to sort out the situation time and get the "injured" onto stretchers while other soldiers - whose sleeplessness was no act - stood guard. The medics treated the faux Iraqi with the chest wound before the GI with a leg wound.
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Posted by: Steve || 12/03/2004 9:11:31 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Very interesting--only thing missing is the heat and sand!
Posted by: Dar || 12/03/2004 9:41 Comments || Top||

#2  RE #1:

Yeah, but this is New Jersey so they've got the smell.
Posted by: AlanC || 12/03/2004 10:57 Comments || Top||

#3  2 months training then combat! I don't know if this is good or bad news. During GWI the roundout mechanized brigades spend the entire war getting ready to get started, of course there was plenty of force available without them.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#4  We still need to rebuild the Army with two extra divisions, the Marines with a pair of Brigade Combat Teams, and the Navy with some more assault vessels. The Air Force/ANG/AF Reserve may require some additional building, as well. We also need a new conventional bomber capable of carrying huge loads of conventional munitions to replace the ancient B-52. Nuclear capability is ok for deterrence, but we need a real nutcruncher to use on islamofruitcakes and the Sudanese.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 12/03/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||

#5  Hmmmm. They could also try to import some authentico Iraqi water for the trainees. I hear those runs are pretty nasty and take some getting used to. Especially when all you have is that military issued sandpaper to wipe with.
Posted by: beer_me || 12/03/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

Dark side to US intelligence reform
While the media focus attention on congressional turf battles associated with intelligence reform, US President George W Bush is taking steps - largely under the public's radar screen - to create his own hidden "army" of covert spies. Before getting into what the White House is doing, it's necessary to examine what Congress is doing and not doing about intelligence reform as a result of the collapse of the House-Senate conference attempting to bridge differences between the bills passed by each chamber.

Ostensibly, the core problem is the line of tasking authority for three "national" agencies currently within the Defense Department: the National Security Agency (communications and electronic intercepting and analysis), the National Reconnaissance Office (designs, builds and operates signals and imagery satellites), and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (formerly the National Imagery and Mapping Agency). Because of advanced communications electronics, these "combat support" organizations are able to transmit to tactical commanders (division and below) near-real-time information (eg, images and locational data on friendly and enemy forces, terrain, or groups of fleeing refugees) that could influence decisions and outcomes.

The real barriers, however, lie elsewhere. The principal impasse concerns turf in both the executive and legislative branches. In the former, under the Senate plan, the three "national" combat support agencies would fall under the new national intelligence director for budget formulation and execution and for determining work priorities in responding to the intelligence collection requirements of intelligence users from the president down to tactical commanders. Shifting these three agencies from the Defense Department is not a new idea; the "Scowcroft" commission recommended in November 2001 moving them under the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director in his capacity as director of central intelligence.
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Posted by: tipper || 12/03/2004 2:59:53 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6461 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A very important distiction needs to be made between the outcomes of intelligence gathering. For example, the CIA gathers intelligence to inform political leaders, then acts at a low level on their commands. An individual agent may receive direct command from the White House. The military, however, gathers intelligence to support pre-existing commands, and to optimize its effectiveness in carrying out those commands. To put this another way, the CIA acts and reacts; the military plans then executes. The distiction here is only subtle until you examine it, then it becomes obvious why the two modes of operation should be separate.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 13:43 Comments || Top||

Kerik to head Homeland Security Dept
PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH has chosen Bernard Kerik, the former New York police commissioner who helped to oversee the response to the September 11 attacks, to run the Department of Homeland Security. Mr Kerik, 49, will take over from Tom Ridge, who resigned this week. Mr Kerik's path to the top anti-terrorism position, replacing Tom Ridge, has been anything but conventional. A moustachioed, upright character who began his anti-terrorism career as a private security officer in Saudi Arabia, Mr Kerik won national fame in the ashes of the World Trade Center, and often appeared at the side of the former Mayor, Rudolph Guiliani, to discuss the bloodshed.

A military policeman in South Korea in the 1970s, his first anti-terrorism work was as a paid private security worker in Saudi Arabia. He joined the New York Police Department in 1986, first walking a beat in Times Square when it was still a haven for small-time hustlers. He rose to lead the city's corrections department, and was appointed commissioner in 2000. It was in that position that he became known to the rest of the country, supervising the New York Police Department's response to the terror attacks in 2001.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/03/2004 12:40:00 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like a good choice for the job. I do hope he's up to making Homeland Security more effective...and seen to be so.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 1:19 Comments || Top||

#2  He spoke briefly at the RNC. If I were to judge by that performance, I'd say that he's far more dynamic than was Ridge. A good choice on that front.
Posted by: AzCat || 12/03/2004 1:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Anyone referred to as "Baghdad Terminator" has gotta be a good selection. Besides, he knows the local cops, knowledge that is woefully needed in the DHS job.
Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 1:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes it is. I'd go you one better and say that our whole federal government is sorely in need of a Jacksonian style revolution.
Posted by: AzCat || 12/03/2004 2:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Moustachio - check!
NYPD issue truncheon - check!

Sounds like a winner to me.
Posted by: Steve || 12/03/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#6  He should make all us US citizens aware of what to look for in the line of threats. He should be setting up websites for making lists of things that citizens should have in emergency kits at home and in their cars. Make people feel and be empowered by being part of the solution to homeland security. Get neighborhoods organized in emergency plans.

Color coded warnings are just so much crap without some specific plans and means of action down to John Q citizen's level. I think that we have a lot to learn from the Israelis on this. This type of action will also create more unity in the country by unity of purpose. Ridge failed miserably in this area.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Say what you want, but there were no terrorist attacks on Ridge's watch. He had a tough job and he came away with just the always present criticism that he "could have done better". He was riding a bull, but he managed to stay on without getting bucked off. No small accomplishment in my book.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 13:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Agreed, 2b. But, Ridge didn't do the political things needed to help people understand what he'd accomplished. Bits and pieces were reported here and there -- f'r instance, I read a long article about new technologies used to examine shipping containers in Wired Magazine -- but no summaries with numbers of bad things prevented, nor advice along the lines of AP's post. I realize that Ridge was under a great deal of pressure to make things happen quickly, as we all expected another 9/11 size attempt to follow on immediately (I still have a roll of duct tape and a pack of playing cards in my closet in case of a chem/bio attack) and, given the needs of the time, telegraphing his moves would have helped the terrorists. But Ridge did nothing to manage the mockery on the opinion-forming late night comedy shows (Tonight Show, etc), which only emboldened the mockers.

Anyway, I do think Ridge will be vindicated by history, but Mr. Kerik still has a lot of ground to make up in the charisma area.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Color coded warnings are just so much crap without some specific plans and means of action down to John Q citizen's level

Yikes I can't find Frank J specific advice. Anyone got a link?
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 15:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Dang, that glare of his could freeze water.

I bet his New York Police Commissioner demeanor will be a big hit with all the bureaucratic ninnies in Washtown. BUT I bet they will only screw with him once. My take is that he is a dynamic charasmatic leader of the old school who will kick butts take names and give clear directions.

This will be fun to watch. I wonder if Goss would like to borrow him for about a week or two and sic him on the antibushies in the C(no evil except W)IA
Posted by: SOG475 || 12/03/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Next:

Rudy for UN Ambassador.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 12/03/2004 18:46 Comments || Top||

#12  Spitzer for Prosecutor of Kofi.
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 23:10 Comments || Top||

#13  I'd feel alot better if I heard him say he is against gun control. Ex NYPD. NYPD = ban all private gun ownership.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/03/2004 23:21 Comments || Top||

Swiss Firm Suspected of Fraud Paid Koko 50 Large
Golly gee, look who's finally on the story. Now that the election's over, the NYT has to have something to write about.
A Swiss company that is being investigated on suspicion of fraud and abuses in the United Nations' oil-for-food program paid the son of Secretary General Kofi Annan more than $50,000 for consulting at United Nations meetings and other projects in the year it won a lucrative oil-for-food contract, investigators said yesterday.
Reeeeally? When did that happen?
Thanks for breaking that story!
Representatives of the company, Cotecna Inspection Services, which is based in Geneva, previously said that Kojo Annan, the secretary general's son, had no involvement in any United Nations contracts. But billing records from Kojo Annan, 29, and other documents provided by Cotecna to House and Senate committees investigating the United Nations program show that in 1998, he traveled to United Nations meetings in New York and Durban, South Africa, to develop "contacts" and work on unspecified "specific projects." In December 1998, Cotecna, which is privately held, won a $4.8 million United Nations contract to monitor goods shipped to Iraq. Ginny Wolfe, a spokeswoman for Cotecna, confirmed that Kojo Annan had attended these meetings but said that he had done so "to make contacts and build relationships with individuals who were important to know for purposes of Cotecna business marketing in Africa."
That's the second-order lie, one more will be coming before we get at the truth.
A Cotecna statement said it was "confident" that the inquiries "will reveal that Cotecna's actions were at all times ethical, lawful and professional."
No doubt. No doubt.
Cotecna deplored the leak of its confidential information, but pledged to continue cooperating with the Congressional investigations and the inquiry of an independent panel led by Paul A. Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve. On Thursday, investigators disclosed that Mr. Annan had used a Cotecna credit card for travel and other expenses that totaled $54,700 for his consulting in 1998. That included $17,000 for expenses incurred in extra hours of work from July through October for the United Nations-related trips, the investigators said. "That's not bad pay for a junior consultant who was supposedly being reimbursed at a rate of $500 a day for five days of work a month," one said.
That's a lot of billable hours and travel on steerage-class airlines...
Investigators said correspondence between Kojo Annan and Cotecna revealed disputes about what were legitimate expenses.
"That's a lot of our money to put into Durban's titty bars!"
"Look, do y'want the contacts or not?"
They said billing records suggested that he was not reluctant to use his name and father's post to commercial advantage. In one memorandum requesting compensation for eight days of work in July 1998, Kojo Annan included six days "during my father's visit to Nigeria."
"He needed me there. Nobody holds his coat like I do."
"In a Lagos titty bar?"
"Especially in a Lagos titty bar."
After a United Nations meeting of African members of the nonaligned movement in Durban, he wrote that "many contacts were established at the presidential and political levels, ministerial levels and with certain influential people."
Posted by: Steve White || 12/03/2004 12:42:54 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Great Kooko for Koko Puffs, the soon to be jailed Judith Miller crawls out of her cave to torch the secretary general's boy! Given that the NY Slimes went out of its way pre-election to refute her pro Iraq WMD articles, I smell a retraction lurking, addressed from Turtle Bay.
Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 1:48 Comments || Top||

#2  "Second order lie"? Define, please. Thanks!
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 8:01 Comments || Top||

Dang, now I can't find my little box of crow recipes. I think my wife threw it out by mistake while I was in the doghouse. I might have to eat my hat instead, but I'm bald and it's getting cold outside.

Also, I have to admit that I have seen some pictures of Claudia Rosett, and I think she's really, really pretty!!
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 12/03/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#4  TW - I think the first lie was: Contecna "previously said that Kojo Annan, the secretary general's son, had no involvement in any United Nations contracts"

2nd lie: Kojo Annan had attended these meetings but said that he had done so "to make contacts and build relationships with individuals who were important to know for purposes of Cotecna business marketing in Africa."
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 8:58 Comments || Top||

#5  They never should have taught Koko sign language...
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 12/03/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#6  You're in trouble Chuck.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Ook ook...
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Mike, treat the crow like chicken...although they are smaller, so you may need two. Homemade pot pie with a Pillsbury croissant crust (or biscuit, for the traditionalists) is heartwarming this time of year. ;-D
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#9  Thanks, 2b. All hail Rantburg U!
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 13:57 Comments || Top||

#10  Priceless. A Rantburg classic. Thanks, all :-)
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#11  "He needed me there. Nobody holds his coat like I do."
"In a Lagos titty bar?"

Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

Southeast Asia
Thai military drops "peace bombs"
EFL.I have my doubts if this will work...
Hundreds of Thai school children and air force recruits have loaded an estimated 100 million origami birds onto military transport planes in preparation for a "peace bombing" of the violent Muslim south of the country.
Look! Little paper birds, Achmed! They're soooo cute! I'm throwing my AK in the river!
The little pieces of folded paper, to be dropped from the air on Sunday to mark the birthday of Thailand's revered king, Bhumibol Adulyadej, are meant to sow peace, harmony and goodwill in the three southernmost provinces, where an 11-month insurgency has claimed nearly 500 lives.
Yeah. Good luck with that.
Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, whose government has struggled to get to the root of the violence, has defended his paper-bird scheme against opponents who say the government is just dumping 48 plane-loads of rubbish.
Point: Opponents.
Some people in the mainly Muslim deep south, which has a century-long history of ethnic and religious hostility towards the largely Buddhist administration in Bangkok, question the symbolism behind the gesture.
Jeez, I wonder why that might be?
In 1948, the Thai air force was called in to bomb parts of the south along the border with Malaysia to quell a rumbling Muslim separatist insurgency.
Now that might work.
"The paper birds are not a traditional symbol for us," said leader of Abdullaham Abdulsamad of the Narathiwat Islamic Council. "It's a different culture. Our people do not understand what the birds stand for.
We will take the little paper birds as a sign to kill the infidels. But, then again, we think everything means kill the infidels.
Thaksin's initial intention was to drop 62 million paper cranes, one for every person in the country. A media blitz, which included a cabinet meeting to teach ministers how to fold the birds, sparked origami fever the length and breadth of the land.
Origami Fever! Catch it!
The birds will be flown to the provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani in Thailand's south, where they will be loaded onto 48 smaller planes for dispersal. Whatever the differences between Thai Buddhists and southern Thai Muslims, who are ethnic Malay and speak a Malay dialect, someone will have to clean up tonnes of paper afterwards.
...and it won't be us...INFIDEL!!!
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/03/2004 3:16:02 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6469 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I thought for sure someone from Berkley came up w/this crap.
Posted by: Phiter Glolung1555 (aka Jarhead) || 12/03/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#2  "As God is my witness, I thought origami birds turkeys could fly."
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/03/2004 16:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Chew the corners with the Mickey Mouse picture.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Took me a minute, but I finally got it, Ship. I remember the pretty colors.
Looks like the Thai's already took your advice.
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/03/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#5  There's two on every blog Tu and you're one of 'em. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#6  I can't decide which is the dumber, more pointless stunt: this, or a bunch of saggy-titted Marin County women arranging their naked bodies on a hillside to spell out the word "PEACE".
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/03/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Perhaps Thai planes could drop saggy-titted Marin County women on the muslim areas?
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 17:37 Comments || Top||

#8  Oh, wow, dude! This is like, so Sixties! I remember when they dropped the Peace Bombs on Hanoi, and they exploded in rainbows and flowers and fluffy kittens, and then we all laughed and laughed and Ho Chi Minh passed around warm chocolate chip cookies and this really great weed, and...uh, I do remember that, don't I?
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 12/03/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#9  hey man could it be that this sounds so 60s and Berkeley, cause like those flower children were wannabe Buddists, and these are like, REAL buddists?? I mean Im not sure its that surprising. And I wouldnt worry, my impression is that the Thais will try the lets all be part of the big boddisatva suffering humanity thing, and when it dont work, theyll come in guns blazing.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 12/03/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#10  "...and in other fake news today, 48 small transport planes were inexplicably shot down in Thailand's three southernmost provinces, Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani. There were no survivors and it was not immediatley clear who was responsible."
Posted by: Rafael || 12/03/2004 18:04 Comments || Top||

#11  thanks for rubbing that in
Posted by: Herb Tarlick || 12/03/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#12  Don' be such cynics. I think it's a wonderful lesson for the children. They will all work very hard, drop their little peace birds and feel very good about the efforts. When the newspaper comes out the next day, they will realize it was unappreciated and unheeded. Too bad, so sad.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 20:27 Comments || Top||

#13  "peace bombs"
I like the sound of that. Let's name the next 30,000 pound class bomb the "peace bomb".
Posted by: ed || 12/03/2004 21:10 Comments || Top||

#14  Is this the sequel to Operation Vowel Storm?
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 12/03/2004 21:10 Comments || Top||

#15  Come on, folks. Let's try and look on the bright side of this. Mebbe this is a subtle message from little Sadako and her classmates.

"Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes" is the story of a girl who died of leukemia. On August 6, 1945, when the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Sadako Sasaki was just two years old. Though the bomb did not kill her and she suffered no immediate injury, she developed leukemia when she was 11 years old. Sadako had heard that a person could make her wish come true by folding a thousand paper cranes. Wishing for good health, Sadako began folding a thousand paper cranes. But she died at age 12, before her project was completed, it is said, and her classmates finished folding her cranes for her after she died.

Children send in cranes they have folded in prayer for peace. Sadako's classmates also collected donations from schools throughout Japan and used the funds to create a monument to children who had been victims of the atomic bomb. Piles of thousand-crane chains sent by people from all over the world surround the monument. To people everywhere, the story of Sadako has come to symbolize the hope that no child will ever again be killed by an atomic bomb.

I say, let's give these Thai Muslim rebels (and all other Islamic terrorists) pause to worry that there might be an honest reason to have so many paper cranes folded for them.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/03/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

Bashir played no part in Marriott bombing: inmate
An Indonesian militant jailed for the Jakarta Marriott hotel bombing has told the trial of Abu Bakar Bashir that the alleged Jemaah Islamiah (JI) leader played no role in the attack. Bashir is facing terrorism charges, and criminal charges relating to the 2002 Bali bombing. "Only five of us had knowledge of plans to bomb the Marriott," Ismail told the South Jakarta court. He told the court the five who knew were himself; two fugitive Malaysians, Noordin Mohammad Top and Azahari Husin; the suicide bomber, Asmar Latin Sani, and a man named Tohir.
How convenient. And of course we all believe him.
Ismail said Noordin, who along with Azahari is also wanted for the 2002 Bali bombings, picked the US-run hotel because it was "the easiest" target. Twelve people were killed in the bombing in August 2003. Ismail is serving a 12-year jail term for the hotel attack. Ismail said he met Bashir in 1996 in Malaysia but never saw the cleric giving inflammatory speeches calling for attacks on "Muslim enemies."
"He kept babbling on and on 'bout how the 'lion would lie down with the lamb'. We all thought he was crazy."
Tohir, who was jailed for 10 years for the hotel bombing, told the court Noordin was the mastermind of the Marriott attack and Bashir had never given the order or funds.
The one lies and the other backs him up.
The testimony was an apparent blow to part of the prosecution case against Bashir. The cleric is accused of inciting followers to carry out the October 2002 Bali nightclub bombings, and of plotting the Marriott attack while he was in custody. If found guilty he could face a death sentence. Prosecutors also say that Bashir, as JI chief, visited a rebel military training camp in April 2000 and relayed a "ruling from Osama bin Laden which permitted attacks and killings of Americans and their allies." But another witness, self-confessed JI member Yudi Lukito, said Bashir gave a speech calling for Islamic brotherhood at a ceremony held by JI in 2000.
Islamic brotherhood? That does it; guilty as charged.
The ceremony was held at Camp Abu Bakar, which was run by the Phillipine rebel group Moro Islamic Liberation Front on Mindanao island. "All Muslims are brothers so we have to help each other so as to kill more infidels!," Lukito, 30, quoted Bashir as saying at the ceremony. Bashir, 66, denied he made a trip to the Philippines in 2000. "In 2000 I was in Indonesia and I didn't go anywhere," he told the court.
Posted by: God Save The World || 12/03/2004 3:46:28 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A couple of real fime character witnesses, there.

"Ya, chure, Mugsy dere wuz da brains o' de outfit! His Holiness didn't do nuttin! Nuttin, I tells yez!"
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 1:21 Comments || Top||

#2  And pigs have wings and can fly, seriously!
Posted by: Unagum Snaimp3188 || 12/03/2004 9:29 Comments || Top||

Navy Unrivalled In Persian Gulf
Tehran's substitute Friday prayers leader, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, said no other force in the region could ever rival the might of the Iranian Navy in the region. Addressing thousands of worshipers who had gathered at Tehran University's campus for the prayers, Rafsanjani pointed out that even during the days of the Iraq-imposed war, the Iranian Navy managed to provide and maintain security in the Persian Gulf the coast of which contains rich oil and gas resources, including the South Pars region, which holds 10 percent of the world's gas resources.

Commenting on nuclear issues, Rafsanjani said Iran is expected to join the club of world states owning nuclear industries soon. He emphasized that Tehran will never forsake its legal and international right to gain access to nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. The substitute prayers leader further said Iran has agreed to suspend its uranium enrichment activities for a certain period of time--not to exceed six months--to assure the IAEA about the peaceful nature of its nuclear activities. "I offer the world the assurance that Tehran is not pursuing nuclear arms, but will not forsake its absolute right," he said. Describing the IAEA's recent resolution that confirmed Iran's nuclear activities have not been diverted toward a military program as a 'success', Rafsanjani referred to the threats to refer Iran's case to the UN Security Council and to impose sanctions against Tehran as examples of threats Iran has been facing in the past two years.
Posted by: tipper || 12/03/2004 9:32:03 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6463 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How long did it take the last time the US Navy destroyed the Iranian navy, about 30 minutes?
Posted by: ed || 12/03/2004 21:40 Comments || Top||

#2  I give it 20 minutes, Gilligan
Posted by: Frank G || 12/03/2004 21:46 Comments || Top||

#3  That should have read: US Navy Unrivalled In Persian Gulf.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 23:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Rafsanjani must be getting some really righteous ganja weed from Jamaica, air shipped.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 23:45 Comments || Top||

Rafsanjani sez Iran soon to join the nuclear club
A top Iranian cleric said Iran will soon join the international nuclear club, saying the suspension of uranium enrichment will last for four months only. Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, chairman of the powerful Expediency Council, said at Friday sermon Iran "will be member of the club grouping countries that possess nuclear industry very soon," the Iranian News Agency, IRNA, reported. "Iran will not give up its legal and international right to possess peaceful nuclear technology," he said, stressing Iran agreed to suspend uranium enrichment for "only a period of four months to assure the International Atomic Energy Agency of its peaceful nuclear activities." "After that period is passed, Iran will discuss seriously the implementation of its uranium enrichment program and the use of nuclear technology for peaceful purposes," he said. "Tehran does not want to produce nuclear arms but will not give up its right."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/03/2004 9:36:39 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rafsanjani has been around since the very first days of Khomeini (Jan-1979) He & the brutal mullah's time is past.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 12/03/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Just a random thought here.
The following scenrio... US invades Iran after Iran declares self nuke power. Iran pops 2-3 in effort to stop US forces. Higher US casualties (500-2000) than Iraq. End result is the same. US wins with conventional forces only, then captures, tries and executes all involved with nuke use decision.

Now picture the scene in Moscow/beijing... Uh oh, the nukes didnot stop the Americans, Now what? (And they executed the leaders afterwards! they never did that before. eep.)

In norkland...Uh oh, it seems the nukes did not stop the Americans. now what?

Rest of Planet... Uh oh, etc.

Posted by: N Guard || 12/03/2004 15:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Time for Rafsanjani to catch "The Russian Cold".
Posted by: Dishman || 12/03/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Isn't Japan in some sort of Nuclear Club?
Would the Iranians like to join that one too?
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/03/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||

#5  I confess to being very worried about this whole thing, but I do love the name "Expediency Council." At least they're open about it.
Posted by: jackal || 12/03/2004 21:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Isn't Japan in some sort of Nuclear Club?
Would the Iranians like to join that one too?

Looks like Iran's probably gonna get a gift membership.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/03/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Is there a secret handshake?
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 22:47 Comments || Top||

Iranian Student Freeper Just Escaped Iran
Got this over at Regime Change Iran.Seemed like a good idea to link to it.I do not have in contacts,but thought somebody here might.Here is a little snippet. ..." It was an exciting time and this young man kept the Free Republic community informed. He would risk his life sending me "on the spot reports" about these demonstrations and clashes, which I posted for him"..."We are asking anyone that has contacts in the administration or the state department to please contact us. We are seeking a way to help him get asylum. He risked his life for us; the least we can do is help him."
Posted by: raptor || 12/03/2004 8:28:04 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

#1  link doesnt work
Posted by: anon2 || 12/03/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Ok.let me try agin:
Here is the address if it doesn't work
Posted by: raptor || 12/03/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#3  call me skeptical, but this sounds like a perfect set up for an Iranian spy to me. How do you know it is him? In a world of double/triple/quadruple cross, this is not a game for amatures.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 9:54 Comments || Top||

200 pledge willingness to carry out suicide attacks against Americans, Israelis
Story is a repeat from yesterday. Love the comments, but check the prior day before posting.
TEHRAN, Iran, (AP) - Some 200 masked young men and women gathered at a Tehran cemetery Thursday to pledge their willingness to carry out suicide bomb attacks against Americans in Iraq and Israelis.
Sounds like a gathering of cockroaches looking for a can of Raid to me.
The ceremony was organized by the Headquarters for Commemorating Martyrs of the Global Islamic Movement, a shadowy group that has since June been seeking volunteers for attacks in Iraq and Israel.
And the wild-eyed, Black Hat maniacs of Tehran do NOT....I say again, do NOT have anything to do with this.
A spokesman, Ali Mohammadi, described Thursday's group as the "first suicide commando unit," though another official has claimed members already have carried out attacks in Israel.
Tick...tick...tick. The countdown to D-Day in Tehran continues.
"Sooner or later we will bury all blasphemous occupiers of Islamic lands," Mohammadi said.
Mohammadi...Are you going in with the first team? Or are you too important, and will stay home to recrutit?
Sunday, Iran's deputy interior minister for security affairs told reporters the movement had no official sanction and said such groups could operate only "as long as their ideas are limited to theory." The group, though, has the backing of some prominent hard-line Iranian politicians.
As Billy-boy said, "Deny, deny, deny!
The deputy minister, Ali Asghar Ahmadi, did not say if the government had tried to crack down on the military style training the group claims to offer or whether officials believed any of its volunteers had crossed into Iraq or into Israel.
Uh, yeah. Sure. Like Schultz in Hogan's Heros said, "I know nussing. I know nussing!"
Iran has had no diplomatic ties with the United States since the 1979 Islamic revolution ousted the U.S.-backed shah. But it says it has no interest in fomenting instability in Iraq and that it tries to block any infiltration into Iraq by insurgents - while pleading that its porous borders are hard to police.
Damn....BS meter just pegged!
Iran portrays Israel as its main nemesis and backs anti-Israeli groups like Lebanon's Hezbollah.
It's followed closely by the Kurds, and the Sunnis.
Wives, husbands and children accompanied volunteers to the cemetery, which was decorated with posters denouncing America and Israel.
Sounds like a party to me. Was Michael Moore there?
"I joined the unit to fulfill my religious task for Palestine," said a volunteer who gave only his age - 23.
Clue time: The paleos are secular you idiot. You apparently want to die for a bunch of islamo-infidels just to kill joooos.
Thursday's ceremony included the unveiling of two-meter (6-foot) stone column commemorating a 1983 attack on U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon as "the biggest suicide bombing operation against global blasphemy."
That, just like the bridge in Falluja, will be revenged you scum sucking, POS. I had an OCS buddy who died in that rubble. Never forgive that. Never forget it.
In the early hours of Oct. 23, 1983, a truck carrying more than 2,000 pounds of explosives sped past a sentry post and exploded in the center of the barracks, killing 241 Marines. Then U.S. President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. troops to withdraw from Lebanon a few months after the bombing.
Reagan's biggest mistake...putting Marines in harms way without proper ROE's.
In 2003 a federal judge blamed Iran for the 1983 terrorist bombing in Beirut and said Tehran would have to pay damages to survivors and relatives.
There is a special place in Hell for them.
Posted by: anymouse || 12/03/2004 8:10:02 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If I'm put in front of a camera and kept anonymous by a mask, I'm willing to say a lot of dumb s--t I don't believe either--especially if there's money or political advancement (or free cookies--yum!) involved.
Posted by: Dar || 12/03/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#2  This would have been an excellent target for that orbital tungsten rod-dropping weapon I read about in Popular Science (or was is Mechanics?) a while back. Imagine, after professing a willingness to give their lives, that their wish to die is suddenly granted.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 12/03/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#3  And their deaths would be shown LIVE on satellite TV....
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 13:24 Comments || Top||

#4  I'll wait for the PPV special "Insurgents go Splat" AP.
Posted by: Charles || 12/03/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#5  "With Our Stamps We Will Redeem You, Oh S&H".
"Our Blood and Stamps Will Win the Shiny Toaster"
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#6  quibble - not all the Pals are secular. Hamas sure aint.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 12/03/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

Iran may be hiding nuke equipment. Wotta surprise.
Iran may be hiding equipment from the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, foiling efforts to police a freeze of all programs that Tehran could use to make nuclear weapons, diplomats said Thursday.
"Quick, Ethel! My pills!"
The diplomats told The Associated Press that Iran has yet to respond to a request by the International Atomic Energy Agency - the U.N. nuclear watchdog - for a full list of the components used at the suspected military site of Lavizan-Shian after handing over a partial inventory in October. The incomplete inventories are particularly worrying because they reflect purchases by Iran's Physics Research Center, an organization run by the military, they said. Iran has insisted its nuclear program is strictly for peaceful purposes, and the agency has said it has found no direct evidence to challenge that statement. A linked issue is concern that nuclear equipment that has disappeared from that complex might be now at a nearby site, said the diplomats, who are accredited to the agency and spoke on condition of anonymity. Additionally, Tehran has ignored a months-old request to grant IAEA inspectors access to Parchin, a military testing ground linked to possible experiments with high explosives that can be used with nuclear weapons, the diplomats said.
"No-o-o-o-o! The big orange ones!"
Some diplomats familiar with Iran's nuclear dossier suggested the focus on the enrichment freeze allowed Tehran to deflect attention from the inventory list, the missing equipment, and the denial of access. The IAEA has not found any firm evidence to challenge Iranian assertions that its military is not involved nuclear activities. But an IAEA report in October says Iran's military Physics Research Center only partially responded that month to agency requests "for information concerning efforts ... to acquire dual use materials and equipment that could be useful in uranium enrichment and conversion."

The report said the IAEA continues to await "additional information and clarifications from Iran regarding this matter," and a diplomat said that request remained unfulfilled as of Thursday. The report expresses linked concern about published intelligence and media reports "relating to dual use equipment and materials which have applications ... in the nuclear military area." Diplomats said that phrasing alluded to Parchin, a military site 20 miles southeast of Tehran. U.S. intelligence suspects Parchin is being used to test high explosives, possibly for use with nuclear weapons. Iran has not responded to a months-old IAEA request for access. The agency can demand to inspect only if it has strong suspicions of direct nuclear activity. That is not the case at Parchin - high explosives do not normally fall under the agency's purview. Similarly the agency is waiting for a full inventory of dual-use components that can be used for nuclear programs from the military-operated Physics Research Center, formerly located at Lavizan-Shian.

A Western diplomat familiar with Iran's file said the partial list available includes equipment meant to eliminate power surges that help centrifuges run smoothly, adding that most of the other components also could be used for enrichment. The U.S. State Department earlier this year said Lavizan-Shian's buildings had been completely dismantled and that top soil had been removed from the site in attempts to hide nuclear-weapons related experiments. The October IAEA report notes Iran failed to produce for IAEA inspection a trailer that apparently contained nuclear equipment at Lavizan-Shian.
"It's a double-wide, we use it for visiting terrorists scientists."
Iranian opposition groups assert nuclear components at that site were moved to a nearby complex, where they say clandestine enrichment is continuing.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/03/2004 4:08:00 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ain't that the berries? Just when the EU-3/IAEA gang are clicking glasses, the crapola hits the fan once more.

Riddle: When is an agreement with the Iranian Regime a good agreement? Answer: When it includes the coordinates.

Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 1:54 Comments || Top||

#2  THe EU Dwarves/Iran "negotiations" are a sideshow. They're on the same side of the table. The real goal here is of course to contain the warmongering US hegemon.

Which also explains Jack Straw's arse-kissing for Kofi the other day. Remember, it's not about collective security or containing rogue states or promoting democracy or justice or peace. It's about containing the US.
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

U.S. Airborne Troops Headed for Iraq in Major Buildup
The U.S. military kicked off a buildup of forces in Iraq by 12,000 troops on Friday, with soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division leaving Fort Bragg, North Carolina to boost security for Jan. 30 Iraqi elections...
This makes a total of 150,000 soldiers, far more that for any possible need to maintain election security. Far more than needed even for an invasion of Syria and Lebanon. With the arrival of Airborne units, every major modern ground warfare component is assembled: Leg infantry, Airborne infantry, Light Cavalry (Stryker), Heavy Cavalry, Heavy Armor and Support forces. Needless to say, the air and naval components are also fully available.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 5:29:19 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Go East, young men, and godspeed!
Posted by: BH || 12/03/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Ow! Ow! Ow! Sorry! I forgot Air Assault. Stop hitting me with that.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Anonymoose, I will look for the deployment of carrier battle groups (or whatever they're called nowadays) to the eastern Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean to see if we're really gearing up for something. Also, you missed something that is over there -- amphibious assault capability. Take that! And that! Now go forth and sin no more.
Posted by: Tibor || 12/03/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Tibor---I was going to say that. Where are the carriers? If I remember Frank saying that the Stennis and the Reagan are still in San Diego, then we will need some carriers from somewhere else.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 17:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry to spoil the fun - i dont think this the invasion of Iran. Weve got some coalition partners getting ready to leave, weve got the Iraqi forces making steady, but still slow progress, and weve got a target rich environment as the rats run for cover from Fallujah. And we've got an election that HAS to be protected, and adversaries who will blow every asset theyve got to stop it. This IS to keep the lid on in Iraq.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 12/03/2004 17:45 Comments || Top||

#6  LH, I tend to agree with you but I'm going to reconsider if I hear about any significant naval movement.
Posted by: Matt || 12/03/2004 17:54 Comments || Top||

#7  yep - 2 of 3 berths have carriers..unless it's a VERY clever disguise
Posted by: Frank G || 12/03/2004 18:09 Comments || Top||

#8  BTW - I don't think we'll do a massive invasion of Iran...special ops groups, sure
Posted by: Frank G || 12/03/2004 18:12 Comments || Top||

#9  How big an air compressor would you need for an Acme Brand Inflatable Nimitz?
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Dont forget the black carriers..... they carry the black helos and black F-16s....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/03/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#11  I agree with LH and Frank, but think a blockade of Iranian oil shipments is a possibility. That's why carrier battle (ready?) groups are crucial.
Posted by: Tibor || 12/03/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||

#12  You might consider that a lack of carriers might be more significant--the Arabian Gulf is just too easy to nuke, not necessarily with missiles. Instead, I would look for a shift of B-52s--which now carry 51 independently satellite targeted 500 pounders--recent news, solo or small group guided missile cruisers and SLCM-capable subs. As far as ground forces go, I would imagine 1/4 would perform a heavy armored thrust, with 1/2 border defense and 1/4 in reserve. The purpose would be to utterly trash Iran's nuclear production and then leave, probably taking out their air force and any known missile production, too. The Airborne would quickly snatch any isolated facilities, the Armor would engage and destroy any Iranian military that interfered, with Strykers along for light cavalry. Use the same basic concept as Gulf War I, except with a coordinated ground offensive at the same time. The Israelis may or may not play.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||

#13  Current status of US Navy

Posted by: ZoGg || 12/03/2004 19:24 Comments || Top||

#14  This looks to me like we're in the process of creating options.

Maybe this is preparation for using military force against Iran. Maybe it isn't. The important thing is, the Mad Mullahs know it could be. I have a hunch 2005 is going to be one helluva nerve-wracking year.
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/03/2004 19:25 Comments || Top||

#15  Rumsfeld will not bite off more than we can chew. Buildup is to protect the elections - look for a declaration of victory shortly thereafter. If that happens - then Iran should be very afraid. A refit this summer - look for late fall when the temperatures moderate.
Posted by: JP || 12/03/2004 19:36 Comments || Top||

#16  "Dont forget the black carriers..... they carry the black helos and black F-16s...."

All designed to get Black Turbans spinning a gravity distorting rotational speeds.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/03/2004 19:49 Comments || Top||

#17  JP: to paraphrase Gen Abazaid the other day: "We can chew a hell of a lot." I think the strategy here is not to conquer, just to destroy and leave. No reason to visit major population centers unless they have some facility that cannot be JDAM'ed. The rest of the attack it to stop the Iranian Army and Air Force from doing their thing, if they feel so inclined. The target list is the 350-or-so nuclear sites, less anything that can be destroyed by cruise missiles and JDAMs. Once all of them are reduced, we can retire and dominate the whole border region with artillery and anti-missle batteries. The optimum outcome is that their nuclear program is effectively halted for ten years, plus their scientists are no longer quite so enthusiastic about screwing around with physics.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#18  The American troop build most likely has a duel geostrategic purpose. One being the Iraqi elections of course. The timing of Iraqi election is made to order if one is examining the grand picture in the Persian Gulf region. Having ample troop strength plus air & sea directly on the Iraqi-Iranian border for the inevitable showdown over Tehran's offensive nuclear weapons build up.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 12/03/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||

#19  What's the force capability at that Afghan base on Iran's eastern border? What role would those forces play if we struck Iran?
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 20:56 Comments || Top||

#20  I would guess the same role as did Napoleon's Army in Italy. It forces the Iranians to commit forces on the chance of a second front. And if they don't...
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#21  No reason to visit major population centers unless they have some facility that cannot be JDAM'ed. The rest of the attack it to stop the Iranian Army and Air Force from doing their thing, if they feel so inclined. The target list is the 350-or-so nuclear sites, less anything that can be destroyed by cruise missiles and JDAMs. Once all of them are reduced, we can retire and dominate the whole border region with artillery and anti-missle batteries. The optimum outcome is that their nuclear program is effectively halted for ten years, plus their scientists are no longer quite so enthusiastic about screwing around with physics.

Works for me, Anonymoose. No boots on the ground and effective denial of near-term nuclear capability. Toss in hits on the nuke sites' air raid shelters plus a decap strike or two and I'm one happy camper.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/03/2004 22:27 Comments || Top||

#22  Anonymoose - I agree we can chew a lot strategically. Tactically our mouth is full at the moment.
Posted by: JP || 12/03/2004 22:41 Comments || Top||

Chalabi mounting comeback by siding with Shi'ites
Although similar articles posted here before in recent weeks, this article is longer and more detailed.
Posted by: Dar || 12/03/2004 2:46:21 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6465 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The strange thing is that Chalabi might be a Trojan horse - deliberately shunned by American officials to give him credibility with Iraqis. If this was a black operation, it would be one of the most subtle ones on record.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#2  If such a thing would happen as Chalabi gaining the head political position in Iraq, how fast do you reckon it'd be before we'd change the pullout timeline?
Posted by: Jules 187 || 12/03/2004 15:03 Comments || Top||

#3  J187: If such a thing would happen as Chalabi gaining the head political position in Iraq, how fast do you reckon it'd be before we'd change the pullout timeline?

I don't think a pullout is in the cards, whomever wins. The US presence in Iraq is going to be substantial for decades to come.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Ah, but that pesky, explosive, life-of-its-own thing called negative public opinion could be lurking in the future...people have incredible force, if their minds are behind an idea. It's something we should keep in mind-not taking decades-long support from Americans for granted. What are the variables?
Posted by: Jules 187 || 12/03/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#5  This one demonstrated he can't be trusted and in the midst of near future action concerning Shi'ite Iran the last thing we need is Chalabi & Company reporting back to his mullah masters in Tehran.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 12/03/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#6  I don't know where to put this, but Mark, did you see the comment I made at Wheelus re: the closed thread on oil in Mauritania from yesterday?

Posted by: Phil Fraering || 12/03/2004 20:01 Comments || Top||

#7  Chalabi put US special forces through difficulties due to his grandstanding. Most Shites don't buy what he is selling.
Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 23:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Phil, I saw the one in here un Mauritania. Could you direct to the link, or re-post it on the weekend
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 12/03/2004 23:13 Comments || Top||

NATO chief visits Iraq
Edited for brevity.
NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer was paying a snap visit to Iraq, notably to meet leaders of a military training mission being set up by the alliance. "During his stay the secretary general is meeting with Iraqi officials, as well as commanders and members of the NATO training mission in Iraq," according to a short statement Friday by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. NATO agreed to send a military training mission to Iraq in June, but struggled for several months to agree the details, notably due to a reluctance on the part of France and other anti-Iraq war countries to deploy troops inside Iraq. The 26-member alliance is now rushing to deploy up to 400 instructors in the country ahead of January elections.
Posted by: Dar || 12/03/2004 2:41:16 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6461 views] Top|| File under:

#1  yawn. NATO's finished. Next to useless outside Europe. Either expel France and Belgium or replace it entirely with a smaller organization comprising nations that truly are willing to help us in the middle east.
Posted by: lex || 12/03/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Leave NATO alone in it's old age. Let it sit out the rest of history sitting in it's comfy chair and reminiscing about all the fights it never was in and all the damsels it never rescued. Eventually, it will just go silently into that good night.
Posted by: ed || 12/03/2004 21:30 Comments || Top||

Saddam raided UN arms sites for suicide attacks
As American forces closed in on Baghdad last year, senior members of Saddam Hussein's government devised a plan to send suicide bombers in vehicles packed with devastating high-energy explosives that were under UN safeguards. The disappearance of the explosive, known as HMX (high melting explosives), in mysterious circumstances at the end of the war caused a few nasty moments for President George Bush's presidential election campaign last month. A letter to Saddam from Dr Naji Sabri, the Iraqi Foreign Minister, five days before the fall of Baghdad, suggests taking the HMX from underground bunkers, where it had been kept under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency, and giving it to suicide bombers. He wrote: "It is possible to increase the explosive power of the suicide-driven cars by using the highly explosive material [HMX] which is sealed by the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] and stored in the warehouses of the Military Industry Departments."

The Iraqi regime took credit for several suicide bombs towards the end of the war. After the fall of Saddam, one of the worst attacks - which killed 22 UN workers and the special envoy, Sergio Vieira de Mello, in August 2003 - had an explosive force that could only have come from military grade explosives. It now appears that senior officials in the Iraqi government were discussing the removal of the HMX before the fall of Saddam. The letter from Dr Sabri, obtained by The Independent, was sent on 4 April 2003 as US tanks were advancing on Baghdad. It said that the world was getting the impression that Iraqi civilians were co-operating with American soldiers. Dr Sabri suggested that the best way of preventing US troops getting too close to Iraqi civilians was "to target their vehicle checkpoints with suicide operations by civilian vehicles in order to make the savage Americans realise that their contact with Iraqi civilians is as dangerous as facing them on the battlefield".

In the last weeks of the US presidential campaign, the Iraqi interim government told the IAEA that the explosives had disappeared from the Al-Qaqaa facility south of Baghdad. The materials were believed to have disappeared after the fall of Baghdad on 9 April because of the failure of US troops to secure them. The mystery of what happened to the explosives may now be partly resolved by Dr Sabri's letter. Because of the special nature of the explosives, the IAEA had placed them under seal in storage bunkers before the war. The foreign ministry would have known what was stored there because it dealt with the IAEA and its monitors. There is no proof that the Iraqi presidency acted on the suggestion but there were a number of suicide bomb attacks on US checkpoints at the time. American soldiers now open fire on any car coming towards them that they deem suspicious. Many civilians have been killed. The letter was given to The Independent by Hoshyar Zebari, the Iraqi Foreign Minister, in Baghdad yesterday. He said it was found in the ministry's archives. There is no reason to doubt its authenticity. The interim Iraqi government may have known about it for some time but was nervous about releasing it at a moment when it might be accused of intervening in the US presidential election.

The letter, marked "confidential and immediate", was sent to Saddam's all-powerful secretary, Abed Hamoud. Advice on making an unconventional military attack might have been expected from the security services. But it may have been that Dr Sabri, unsure about how long the war would last, wanted to show his his loyalty to Saddam. He fled Iraq and lives in Doha, the Qatari capital.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/03/2004 12:50:23 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under:

Terror Networks & Islam
Critical commentary of Islamic Apology
The website of the commentary was founded by an apostate from Islam (Ibn Warraq)and is skeptical of attempts to humanize Islam (Ibn Warrqaq says 'you can be a good person or a good Muslim but not both')Kamal

Nawash is a Palestinian immigrant to the US, an attorney, and founder and president of the Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism (FMCAT), a Virginia-based non-profit organization "made up of American Muslims and Arabs of all backgrounds who feel that religious violence and terrorism have not been fully rejected by the Muslim community in the post 9-11 era."... The Coalition was created to eliminate broad base support for Islamic extremism and terrorism and to strengthen secular democratic institutions in the Middle East and the Muslim World by supporting Islamic reformation efforts....

[this is the commentary] Gratifying as it may be to watch Muslims grovel for what happened on 9/11, the gratification is emphatically not worth the price. The aim of the current war is victory over an enemy, not emotional satisfaction in the self-abasement of those quixotically inclined to engage in it. If Muslims are sufficiently ashamed of their religion to regard its tenets as implicated in terrorism, they should stop apologizing and abandon it. If they insist that Islam is not implicated in 9/11, they should practice it in a way that is compatible with individual rights, and fight those who practice it differently. But in neither case do they have any business "apologizing" for 9/11.

Nawash's apology is a pointless attempt to occupy the middle ground between a mortified rejection of Islam and an unapologetic allegiance to it. But there is no such ground. The apology is also a perhaps unwitting subversion of what an apology is actually supposed to be. It should, with all due respect, be marked "return to sender."

Irfan Khawaja [commentator] is adjunct professor of philosophy at The College of New Jersey, Montclair State University, and Felician College.
Posted by: mhw || 12/03/2004 12:00:50 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:

Iraqi boomer corps made up of druggies
Like, wow, man! Who'da thunkit?
Some suicide bombers who battled U.S. troops in Fallujah were doped up on heroin and speed, the Pentagon's top general said yesterday. Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and his aides said the suicidal jihadists used the drugs for courage or to motivate them into martyrdom.
"Here, Mahmoud! Try some of this Drano!"
"That's gonna fud me up, man!"
"What the hell? An hour from now you're gonna be flying meat!
"Uhhh... Yeah. That's right. Okay. An' lemme try some o' that other stuff, too!"
"Ahmed! Bring some muriatic acid for our friend's trip!"
Myers said some of the suiciders in Fallujah "are foreign fighters, but not exclusively."
"Like, where you from, man?"
"I'm not sure no more, man! Got any more o' that Drano? That is wicked stuff!"
But when asked to account for the fanaticism of some of the fighters, Myers said, "The other thing you need to understand is...the number of drugs found there as well." A top Pentagon source told the Daily News there were "numerous reports" out of the battle of U.S. soldiers stumbling onto small amounts of drugs and paraphernalia in insurgent safehouses around Fallujah.
"Kevin! Watch out! Don't step on that... Oh, hell. One o' you guys climb up and get him down."
"They found heroin and speed," said the senior military official. "They're using it to bolster their courage and get up the nerve and make them braver in the face of what they're getting ready to do."
"Yershhh! [Hic!] More Drano!"
"Don't give him no more, Mustafa! His hair's starting to dissolve!"
Asked if young Iraqis were convinced to blow themselves to bits after getting stoned or wired by insurgents, the official replied, "That is the reporting we're seeing."
"'Course, usually the bits of 'em we see are traveling by too fast to ask..."
Myers derided those who "spur on these young people to commit jihad, who were some of the first ones out of Fallujah" and "cheering from a very safe haven." Drugs and alcohol are forbidden by Islam.
Oh, do tell.
The Pentagon also acknowledged yesterday that the price of taking Fallujah was higher than previously reported, as the death toll for Americans in the city was raised from 51 to 71. Fighting continues in the ruined city, as insurgents who stayed behind or have slipped back into Fallujah are attacking U.S. troops trying to rebuild the city.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/03/2004 4:42:41 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Pentagon also acknowledged yesterday that the price of taking Fallujah was higher than previously reported, as the death toll for Americans in the city was raised from 51 to 71

Don't ya love the way they try to make it sound like a cover-up or conspiracy? No doubt this is because some of them are first wounded, taken to a hospital and sadly, don't make it.

MSM reporters: Ignorant or on the other side. Take your pick.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Fighting continues in the ruined city, as insurgents who stayed behind or have slipped back into Fallujah are attacking U.S. troops trying to rebuild the city.

Not a problem. When insurgents are found, kill them.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 12/03/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||

#3  2b,

Don't you also love the way the reporting whips from "This is going to be the next Stalingrad!" to "What? Why so many casualties? You didn't tell us people were going to get killed!"
Posted by: Dreadnought || 12/03/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#4  These Jahadies are gonna get bitch slapped by Allah if they show up DUI (dying under the influence).
Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#5  The attack on Fallujah was done with great planning, speed, and execution. Now the mop-up will take time. Take a look at the sat images and see the sheer quantity of buildings. But just another job for the systematic US Marines and Army troop. Hats of to you and the tremendous job you have done eliminating this rat's nest.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#6  Some suicide bombers who battled U.S. troops in Fallujah were doped up on heroin and speed

Sorta gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "blow your mind," don't it?
Posted by: Mike || 12/03/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#7  He blew his mind out in a car...
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#8  You sure 2b? I thought his head flew out of the car then was blown to bits by a landmine.
Posted by: Charles || 12/03/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

Pentagon debate rages over 'information operations' in Iraq
If this was posted earlier, please delete.
Amid a debate over the use of misinformation by the U.S. military, the Pentagon says it is investigating an October incident in which a Marine spokesman gave CNN misleading information about an attack on the Iraqi city of Falluja. In an October 14 interview from Iraq, 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert announced that a major U.S. military operation was under way in Falluja -- three weeks before the offensive that eventually recaptured the city began. A senior Pentagon official told CNN that Gilbert's remarks were "technically true but misleading." It was an attempt to get CNN "to report something not true," the official said....
Yeah, that last remark was not meant to be a joke. But let's talk about misleading: Judy Woodruff reporting that the insurgency in Iraq is increasing, and at the same time showing pictures of combat operations from weeks, months, or who knows how long ago. Of course, this is supposed to give the impression that full-scale warfare is happening every day and night in Iraq. And they have the @#$^% to complain about the Pentagon providing misleading information???
Posted by: Rafael || 12/03/2004 1:11:01 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6461 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Add to this the dreaded "e" word, escalation, and Judy is already having flashbacks of Vietnam. How friggin pathetic.
Posted by: Rafael || 12/03/2004 1:15 Comments || Top||

#2  ..the Pentagon says it is investigating an October incident in which a Marine spokesman gave CNN misleading information about an attack on the Iraqi city of Falluja.

Unless it's illegal to give false information to a news service, I don't see what the problem is. The military's plans are no one else's business but their own, and it is up to them to decide how and what they're going to reveal, if they want to, when they want to. End of story.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 12/03/2004 2:20 Comments || Top||

#3  So, only terrorists and totalitarians should be able to manipulate the media? Oh, that's right, it isn't manipulation when it is voluntary. These complaints emanate from the same shills who systematically concealed Saddam's crimes for a decade in the holy name of access. Now, they are outraged at a single incident of manipulation whose purpose was not to conceal atrocities for the sake of ratings, but to save the lives of American and Iraqi soldiers. The arrogance of these media beasts is unequalled in human history. They are a disease, a blight, a cancer on the Earth. The sooner they are eradicated, the sooner human progress can resume.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/03/2004 2:23 Comments || Top||

#4  The facts appear to be Lt. Gilbert said something which was true. The reporter's ignorance resulted in s/he mis-interpreting the statement. The Lt. is at fault for not properly appreciating the extent of the reporter's ignorance or taking sufficient action to alleviate that ignorance.

What is breathtaking is CNN publicizing this in the belief it's news. So I humbly suggest Fred change the headline to - CNN demands military compensates for their reporter's ignorance.
Posted by: phil_b || 12/03/2004 3:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Scott Ott at Scrappleface is on top of this one with CNN Duped by Pentagon Into Portraying Iraq as 'Quagmire' "It makes me wonder whether things are going as badly in Iraq as we've been reporting," said one CNN producer.Ya gotta love Ott for his great satire.
Posted by: GK || 12/03/2004 5:03 Comments || Top||

#6  If CNN does not want to lose what little credibility they have left amongst the folks, they'd better be careful about how they pursue this. They tend to forget that most Americans have a deep love of their military and will almost always side with the military more then the media.
Posted by: Phiter Glolung1555 (aka Jarhead) || 12/03/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Am I the only one who thinks that the CNN reporters are all retirees from the Playboy mansion or Chipendales? Button up their collars and give them a pair of geeky looking glasses and viola! A CNN reporter. It would certainly explain why they are all such a bunch of airheads.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#8  If Lt. Gilbert saved one soldier or Marine from a hangnail by head-faking the jihadis, then the only debate should be over whether he gets the Bronze Star.
Posted by: Matt || 12/03/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#9  The newsies are pissed because they are shown to be ignorant, gullable, not resouceful, and just plain stupid. Like the Russians say, "Tough Schitskis."
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#10  When did lying to a nosy newsie become a no-no?
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

Tanks come out of mothballs to strengthen Iraqi firepower
THE first Iraqi tanks will be deployed on the streets ahead of the January 30 elections, senior US and British military officials said. The continuing toll of guerrilla attacks persuaded the coalition and interim Government to fast-track plans to equip the country's embattled security forces with heavy armour, The Times has learnt. Less than two years after Saddam's armoured divisions were pulverised by US-led troops, coalition advisers bowed to a request by Iyad Allawi, the Prime Minister, to reinforce his lightly armed military, which is equipped only with light weapons and trucks and buses highly vulnerable to attack by insurgents. Despite fears of the damage possible if tanks fall into the guerrillas' hands, US, Iraqi and British planners have created from scratch the new 1st Mechanised Brigade, equipped with veteran Soviet-era T-55 battle tanks and MTLB armoured vehicles.
A T-55 is plenty heavy enough to worry a jihadi.
Four T-55s mothballed by the old Iraqi Army have already been refurbished and transported on low loaders from the old army base in al-Muqdadiyah north of Baghdad to the training base at Taji. Commanders say they are ahead of schedule to have ten of the Russian, Chinese and East European-manufactured battle tanks deployed against insurgents — perhaps as early as Christmas — with 950 men and 44 armoured vehicles. Other elements such as the artillery battalion, likely to have 155mm howitzers, will be added later. Iraqi planners hope the full 3,000-man brigade comprising one tank, one artillery and two mechanised battalions, an engineering and reconnaissance company, air defence, communications and logistics units will be ready by the middle of next year. The tanks will be manned by experienced crews from the old Iraqi army, supervised by coalition "advisory support teams" that will train, mentor and accompany them on missions. Colonel Jani Marok, a Royal Marine serving as Chief of Plans in the development of the Iraqi Security Forces, said they would probably be deployed to guard key installations such as power stations, government facilities and "maybe in places such as Fallujah."

The T-55 was first designed in the 1950s but commanders say the Iraqi models have seen little use and are in good condition. They have a 100mm rifle bore main gun and night fighting capability. US Army Colonel David Styles said: "We drove them through Baqubah on transporters and you should have seen the looks on the faces of the Iraqi people. At first they thought, 'Oh just another American convoy', but then they saw that they were T-55s and noticed the Iraqi markings and there were a lot of cheers."
"Ahhh, T55s! What fond memories they bring back! It seems like the old Iraq again, the good old day! Why, I can remember back when the entire 42nd Division ran over Uncle Mahmoud..."
Posted by: Steve White || 12/03/2004 12:34:31 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6463 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, dear. I do hope the Iraqis are better drivers than, e.g. the Egyptians. (Mr. Wife tells stories of his taxi driver going full speed the wrong way down one-way streets with the lights off, "to save the battery.") If yes, there will be a few more buildings with holes in the walls before the men are fully trained.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/03/2004 1:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Good idea! I cringe when I see the video footage showing these Iraqi soldiers getting around in small trucks. Should paint a bullseye on those vehicles.
Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 1:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Those tanks are pretty useless for practical purposes. Their engine machining is so poor that their useful life before engine rebuild is measured in hours. I've heard estimates as low as 1000 hours before a rebuild, with another 1000 before the tank is a basket case.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/03/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#4  I suspect the planners have accounted for this. There's probably plenty of spares/cannablisable units around Iraq. If not, there's lots of Eastern European countries who can either supply parts or the upgraded engines.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/03/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#5  certain hmmmm *cough* 3rd parties *cough* have been known to re-engine T-55 and 62s.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Might as well get some use out of 'em. Against any other MBT, the T-55 is a deathtrap; but against semi-trained urban goon squads with AK's and the odd RPG, it's a hulking steel monster of death.
Posted by: Mike || 12/03/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#7  Shipman: certain hmmmm *cough* 3rd parties *cough* have been known to re-engine T-55 and 62s.

Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||

#8  Mike: Might as well get some use out of 'em. Against any other MBT, the T-55 is a deathtrap; but against semi-trained urban goon squads with AK's and the odd RPG, it's a hulking steel monster of death.

RPG's can defeat T-55 armor. However, I think T-55's can be useful for direct fire support during operations, when proximity to the enemy is such that tube artillery is hazardous.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 13:46 Comments || Top||

#9  A lot of these jihadis have been trained in Soviet style operations which mean the T-55 is most likely nice direct fire support for infantry operations. But the tank is thin skinned and its 100mm gun was originally designed as an anti-tank gun, not a general fire support weapon.

I think I read somewhere that the left's pink cardboard tank is barely a match for the T-55.
Posted by: badanov || 12/03/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#10  Folks, you're missin' the point here. Compared to white Toyotas that these troops are climbing in and out of, isn't even the T-55 and 62s a better alternative?
Posted by: Capt America || 12/03/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||

#11  CA: Folks, you're missin' the point here. Compared to white Toyotas that these troops are climbing in and out of, isn't even the T-55 and 62s a better alternative?

I think the firepower element is primary and protection element is secondary. Tanks are too maintenance-intensive to be used for routine convoy operations. (Russian tanks especially are reputed to have lousy engines). These T-55's are likely to be used very selectively and mainly for fire support.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#12  Not that the T-55 is the greatest tank in the world, but an RPG can even defeat an Abrams if the warhead hit the right spot. Moreover, if reactive armour is added to a T-55, it becomes an acceptable urban zone tank. And the Czechs and Slovaks have done some ammo development and have a HESH round for the 100MM. HESH is REALLY bad news if you are on the other side of the wall that it hits.
And besides which, steel is still better protection that cloth or even body armour.
One last thing, if the Iraqis are touchy about Israeli modifications, the South Africans, the Indians, or the Turks can do them {Turkey has the Israeli mods from their technology agreements}.
Posted by: Thomoting Grinenter7353 || 12/03/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#13  TG: Moreover, if reactive armour is added to a T-55, it becomes an acceptable urban zone tank.

Reactive armor and supporting infantry don't mix. When the tank gets hit, the armor blows up, splattering the surrounding infantry with shrapnel.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#14  Compared to white Toyotas that these troops are climbing in and out of, isn't even the T-55 and 62s a better alternative? In the Chadian civil war white Toyotas comprehensively defeated a large force of Libyan T-55/62s. Libyan casualties were in the thousands.
Posted by: phil_b || 12/03/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#15  Israel did indeed re-engine and otherwise modify a large number of captured T-54s and 55s after the 67 war, under the designation TI-67. Mods included a new powerpack (reportedly a Detroit 12V-71T), the 105mm NATO gun, appropriate fire-control, and air conditioning. These were used with some success against their original owners during the 73 war.
They were reportedly unpopular in Israeli service because of the very cramped interior. Israel has also used the T-55 or T-62 chassis for a heavy APC, but I don't have info on this.
There are many, many other upgrades for these tanks, including a similar one (105mm gun, etc.) done in Egypt.
Add-on spaced armor will mitigate the RPG threat to a great extent, though the vehicle is still vulnerable in close combat. The most appropriate use would be direct-fire support.
The 100mm does have a useful HE round for these operations.
The psychological impact should not be under-estimated; on the jihadis, friendly troops, and Iraqi civilians alike. Tanks are well thought of in that part of the world. This contrasts sharply with the western pop-culture/MSM meme that tanks are brutish dinosaurs and easy targets for a single rebel-hero fighter with a hand-held weapon. This meme, incidentally, dates back almost to the invention of tanks in WW1, when journalists first discovered that the monsters were not in fact completely invulnerable. For once, the masses of the Arab world have it right, while western MSM conformists are buying into a potentially fatal strawman by under-estimating the power of armor.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/03/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#16  phil_b

I know, I know but you forget that the tanks were manned by Lybian tankers not NATO or Israeli tankers. I remember when reading the actions reports that ist was evident that the Lybian crews panicked and didn't supoort one another. With each tank caring only about itself it was easy for the nimble Toyotas to run circles around the tanks at a range too short for the tanks engaging them.
Posted by: JFM || 12/03/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#17  Ken Pollack's Arabs at War has an excellent section on the "Toyota War". Short version is: Arab armies suck enough to negate the benefit of armor, once you give the otherside a reasonable anti-tank weapon like the French Milan.

I'm not too enthusiastic about the idea of somebody using T-55s in an anti-insurgency role. Even modern tanks or IFVs like the Abrams or the Bradley aren't suited to convoy and patrol in Iraqi theatre conditions. South African armored cars - seriously. The South Africans would make a mint, and from what I've read, they're brilliant counterinsurgency platforms - not nearly as expensive as Strykers, but good enough for government work.

Re-engineered T-55s would be useful mostly for show, to frighten off the Iranians. I would guess that this is the point - a show-unit for display purposes.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 12/03/2004 15:03 Comments || Top||

#18  Chechen fighters made mincemeat out of the Soviet tank brigade that went into Grozny. I'm not sure that Iraqi terrorists wouldn't do the same to an Iraqi unit. But Iraqi troops have to learn how to deal with this by themselves eventually, and the T-55 is a relatively inexpensive platform in which to get their first lessons.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/03/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#19  Sov block tanks from the late 50's/early 60's? (55 is either the design year or the first production year, I forget which.)

Not a problem for an Abrams troop. Big trouble for unarmored infantry.
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 1:42 Comments || Top||

#20  Sov block tanks from the late 50's/early 60's? (55 is either the design year or the first production year, I forget which.)

Not a problem for an Abrams troop. Big trouble for unarmored infantry.
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 1:42 Comments || Top||

#21  Sov block tanks from the late 50's/early 60's? (55 is either the design year or the first production year, I forget which.)

Not a problem for an Abrams troop. Big trouble for unarmored infantry.
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 1:43 Comments || Top||

#22  Sov block tanks from the late 50's/early 60's? (55 is either the design year or the first production year, I forget which.)

Not a problem for an Abrams troop. Big trouble for unarmored infantry.
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 1:43 Comments || Top||

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Afghanistan's Karzai meets chief rival over new cabinet post
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has met his chief election rival Yunus Qanooni to discuss a possible role for him in the new government, an official close to the president said. Karzai, who will be inaugurated as Afghanistan's first democratically elected president on December 7, is expected to form his cabinet the following week. He met Qanooni late Wednesday and they discussed the cabinet, the official, who asked to not be named, told AFP the same day. "There is a strong possibility that Qanooni will join the new cabinet," he added.
That'd be a good thing, I think. Qanoodi's one of the good guys.
Karzai, who won 55.4 percent of the vote in the October 9 election, faces a tough challenge picking a government to tackle regional warlordism, an insurgency led by the former Taliban rulers and a burgeoning drug industry, which threatens to turn Afghanistan into a narco state. Karzai, an ethnic Pashtun, must also ensure that the ethnic Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara minorities are represented in his new administration. Karzai has repeatedly said he does not intend to appoint a cabinet of warlords or people with a brutal military past — and many ordinary Afghans voted for him in hopes he would end the rule of the gun in the war-torn country. Qanooni, who resigned, as education minister in Karzai's US-backed transitional administration to run against his former boss, is an ethnic Tajik. He was a lieutenant of assassinated resistance hero Ahmad Shah Masood and has close ties to the Northern Alliance group of commanders who ousted the hardline Islamic Taliban regime in conjunction with a US-led air campaign in late 2001. Although Qanooni came a distant second to Karzai in the polls, winning only a little over 16 per cent of the vote, he represents an important power block. He hails from the resistance stronghold of the Panjshir valley north of Kabul along with Defence Minister Marshal Mohammed Qasim Fahim and Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah. Karzai did not win strong support in parts of northern Afghanistan, drawing his votes mainly from the Pashtun-dominated south and east of the country.
I'd guess most of Qanooni's support came from the north...
Qanooni could not immediately be reached for comment. But an official close to him confirmed to AFP that he had held a private meeting with Karzai in the president's heavily fortified palace. "Yes, I can confirm that the meeting took place," the official told AFP declining to give further details.
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Barghuti Palestinian presidency probably unfeasible: Powell
Palestinian militant Marwan Barghuti would probably be unable to take office if he were to win the January polls, since he remains in an Israeli jail for the rest of his unnatural life, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said on Thursday. "You have an individual who is not available to assume the office, and it seems unlikely that he would be available to assume the office," Powell told Radio Sawa, a US-funded Arabic-language station. "So it would be problematic, if he is on the ballot," Powell said. "He's been certified as an independent, I understand, and if he wins the election then you have elected someone who is not in the position to fill the office."
I seem to recall, I mean I might have this wrong, but I seem to recall that in civilized countries, mass murderers can't be president.
The West Bank Fatah leader, who is serving five life sentences in an Israeli jail for anti-Israeli attacks, filed late Wednesday his candidacy for the January 9 election to replace the late leader Yasser Arafat. "I would assume that the Palestinian people, as they make their decision in the weeks ahead, getting ready for the election on January 9, will consider the consequences of voting for Mr. Barghuti, as opposed to voting for some other candidate," Powell said.
Which means he's a shoo-in.
"It is not for the United States to make a judgment for" the Palestinians, he added.
"Since they have this problem listening to anyone who makes sense."
Barghuti's candidacy, made just five days after he announced he would not run, astonished and angered the dominant Fatah faction, which had already chosen the moderate former Prime Minister Mahmud Abbas as its candidate.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/03/2004 12:22:50 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This may surprise RBers, but Israel will almost certainly release him if he is elected. And my money is on him winning. Opinion polls put him way ahead of Abbas. If he does win it will be a severe embarassment to Paleo supporters like the Europeans.
Posted by: phil_b || 12/03/2004 0:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Barghuti Palestinian presidency probably unfeasible: Powell

Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 12/03/2004 1:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Israel will almost certainly release him if he is elected.

With or without a beeper in his butt?
Posted by: mojo || 12/03/2004 1:16 Comments || Top||

#4  With or without a beeper in his butt?

LOL. That should be enough to disqualify him as a viable candidate. He can't be trusted now. You've ruined it for him :)
Posted by: Rafael || 12/03/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#5  The Israelis could let Barghuti go after fitting him with a non-removable explosive vest, remotely activated, set on a timer, and with a tamper=proof feature that explodes if messed with. Barghuti would be a walking time bomb, nobody would come near him. Jack the Leper, heh heh heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 1:40 Comments || Top||

#6  Phil:

Israel will almost certainly release him if he is elected

I haven't read anything to that effect. Why do you say that? Israel's policy is never to forgive murderers -- and the guy is serving 5 life sentences.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 12/03/2004 8:39 Comments || Top||

#7  If Barghuti is elected, there will be an enormous pressure (and I don't mean EUros)on Israel to release him.
The whole story illustrates the need to introduce death penalty into Israeli law.
Posted by: gromgorru || 12/03/2004 9:04 Comments || Top||

#8  I don't think they would release him. It would be like releasing a rabid dog. It might serve them right, but that danger extends far beyond just those who deserve it.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 9:04 Comments || Top||

#9  I imagine he will appoint his Cabinet from amongst his fellow jailbirds, as well. Mahmoud the Jailbird Weasel becomes Mahmoud, Minister of Waste Management.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/03/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#10  I would agree with phil_b on releasing him.

If he's what the Paleos want, then there won't be peace no matter who gets to be the new duce. Better to have an out and out bad man as leader of your enemy than some slimey, two faced, weasle who knows how to manipulate the media while sticking a shiv in your back.

And since the result will be the same, why waste chips fighting with the Europeans about whether he gets the job or not. Just finish the fence. Israel now has the tactics to pound the Paleos till the cows come home. Tell the Euros that if he starts shooting again, he won't be kept on life support in Ramalah like Arafish. That'd be a lot cheaper than keeping him in jail for another 30 years.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 12/03/2004 10:57 Comments || Top||

#11  You might be right.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#12  Debka always claimed keeping him in the slam was to protect him and increase his popularity amongst the pals. A deep laid Jooo plot in other words.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/03/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#13  What is a paleo?
Posted by: legolas || 12/03/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#14  A Paleo is a human being that was ossified in the 7th Century but lives in the 21st Century near Syria, Jodan, Israel, and Egypt.
Posted by: 2b || 12/03/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#15  roger that ...
Posted by: legolas || 12/03/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#16  And seethes a lot.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/03/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#17  And tries to emulate Paleolithic people, but doesn't have the smarts to make it happen. Hence, they remain always Paleostinians. They have a leadership problem, 'nuff said.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/03/2004 13:20 Comments || Top||

#18  Paleos are a funny bunch. They choose the most despicable of the lot to be their "leaders," whose job it is to convince the youngest and most gullible that they should kill themselves. Then, these "leaders," in order to protect themselves, hide amongst the people they "serve."

The one hallmark of paleos is self-deception" although it manifests in different ways:

1. "We will push the joooooos into the sea"
2. "We will bring the joooooos to their knees by blowing up their children"
3. "We are peaceloving -- it's the jooooooos who are terrorists"
Posted by: PlanetDan || 12/03/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#19  This may surprise RBers, but Israel will almost certainly release him if he is elected.

While this may possibly be the case, it is more akin to how gamekeepers release pheasants right before their clients take the field.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/03/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||

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