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-Lurid Crime Tales-
DRUDGE: No DNA Match, Karr Being Released

I know a lot of people had doubts, but this should have been checked before OUR tax dollars brought this assh*le all the way back from Thailand - I'm guessing he spouted this crap because life in a Colorado pen would have been infinitely better than any time at all in a Thai prison - Mike

KUSA - 9NEWS has confirmed from two sources that the DNA taken from John Mark Karr does not match the DNA samples taken from the crime scene in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case.
9NEWS has also confirmed from different sources that no charges will be filed against Karr in connection with the Ramsey case by the Boulder County District Attorney's office.

Samples of Karr's saliva and hair were taken in Boulder after his arrival on Thursday. Those samples were tested over the weekend inside the Denver Police Department's Crime lab.

9NEWS has confirmed that Karr's DNA is ruled out as the foreign DNA left on JonBenet Ramsey's body when she was murdered in December 1996.

JonBenet was covered in a blanket when her body was found. Foreign hair fibers were found on that blanket and they did not match any of the Ramsey family or approximately 100 people that were tested.

Karr was taken into custody in Bangkok, Thailand earlier this month in connection with the murder. He arrived in Boulder Thursday afternoon on a probable cause warrant for charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault on a child.

Karr said at a press conference in Thailand he was with JonBenet when she died.

Karr is scheduled to be in court Monday afternoon for an advisement hearing.

He still faces charges of child pornography in California.

9NEWS.com and 9NEWS at 4, 5 and 6 p.m. will have the latest on this developing story.

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 08/28/2006 16:21 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not to mention the business-class trip back from Thailand.
Posted by: Perfesser || 08/28/2006 17:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Why is my surprise lacking?
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/28/2006 17:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Jesse will probably be there in the middle of things negotiating Karr's return to Thailand.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/28/2006 18:05 Comments || Top||

#4  No doubt he wanted to get out of that Thai prison but I hope we send him back after he serves his term in California.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/28/2006 18:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Send this creep back to Thailand.
Posted by: john || 08/28/2006 19:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Who would have had an interest in doing this now?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 19:25 Comments || Top||

#7  In US law, its not enuff to confess to a crime - the confessor as an American citizen is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. the physical evidence overwhelmingly matches his "confession" or material circumstances therein. OTOH, the expensive Steak?-and-Prawns/Shrimp meal on the plane from Thailand was a bit much, espec for someone whose been on the run since the 1980's.
"CONFESSING" TO KILL A LITTLE GIRL + PEDOPHILIA = EATING STEAK-AND-SHRIMP??? US TAXPAYERS SAVED A [GUILTY?] AMERICAN FROM THAI PRISON, ONLY TO SEE HIM GO TO A US PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL/
INSTITUTION AGAIN AT TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE??? Methinks its safe to say US credibility-prestige, includ for US law enforcement, is gonna take a hit wid this one.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/28/2006 22:20 Comments || Top||

#8  The CO state gov said this:
"I find it incredible that Boulder authorities wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars to bring Karr to Colorado given such a lack of evidence. [Boulder district attorney] Mary Lacy should be held accountable for the most extravagant and expensive DNA test in Colorado history."
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/28/2006 22:30 Comments || Top||

#9  One has to wonder why they brought him back.
Posted by: Shush Sholuth7794 || 08/28/2006 23:39 Comments || Top||


Participant of Sex Dolls Rafting Tournament Disqualified
A participant of a sex dolls rafting tournament has been disqualified for sexual abuse of an apparatus, Zizn’ newspaper reports. Igor Osipov was not able to keep in his sexual desire, even in the cool water of the Vuoksa river near St. Petersburg. Over 400 “sportsmen” took part in the Bubble Baba Challenge tournament.
Where's ESPN when you need them?
“It’s fun and difficult to swim 1200 meters in stormy river with an exotic apparatus, as inflatable ladies slip out of hands”, tournament organizer Dmitriy Bulaviniv said. At a juries’ command participants jumped into the water. Strong wind and flow snatched out resilient dolls from strong men’s hands, and only Osipov,40, resolutely approached to the finish. “I was shocked, I think it was an expression of his great desire to win,” Osipov’s friend said. The jury then noticed Osipov’s strange position and told him to moor.
"Hey, how is he holding on to the doll without using his hands? Oh, wait..."
When he came out of the water, gazers saw signs of recent sexual activity on the swimmer’s doll.
Ewwwwwwwwwww!!!!
The jury found the swimmer guilty of sexual abuse of the apparatus and disqualified him. Air sex dolls can be used only for swimming, organizers say.
Errrr, ok
The first tournament took place in 2003, sponsored by a number of Russian sex shops.
Must be a lot of "rafters" in Russia
Posted by: Steve || 08/28/2006 09:23 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Igor Osipov later expressed a regret for not overcoming his urges, stating that the doll was "no Cherry 2000 by any stretch of imagination".
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/28/2006 10:20 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL
Posted by: 49 Pan || 08/28/2006 10:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Five will get you ten the instructions for the doll explicitly declare "NOT to be used as a flotation device".

Sheesh.
Posted by: GORT || 08/28/2006 11:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Strong wind and flow snatched out resilient dolls from strong men’s hands

Or was it resilient strong men's hands flowed to dolls.......
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/28/2006 13:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Guy must have some strong desires, that water looks cold!

Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/28/2006 14:06 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm glad to see Americans aren't the only people with far too much time on their hands. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/28/2006 22:57 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
The Lieutenants Friend
New toy

The laptop computer has become a weapon. Increasingly common on the battlefield, defense contractor General Dynamics now manufactures a line of "ruggedized" laptops aimed at the military market, and commercial users who need a machine that can survive in harsh environments.

The new GoBook XR-1 is what young infantry officers are going to be lusting after in the next few months. At 6.8 pounds, it is resistant to water, sand and multiple three foot drops on hard surfaces. It's also protected against the relentless vibrations found in military vehicles and aircraft. It will survive temperature extremes (from –10 degrees to 140 degrees Fahrenheit). It has a glow-in-the-dark keyboard, and a 12.1 inch color display designed to be visible in bright sunlight. It's small (12x10x2 inches) and powerful (1.87 GHz Intel Core Duo CPU, using up to two gigabytes of RAM). The removable SATA hard drive (80 gigabytes and up) has a built in heater, to insure quick boot in very cold weather.

The XR-1 supports a wide variety of wireless communication (WAN, WLAN, BlueTooth and CRMA), all of which can work with internal GPS. Also has a smartcard reader, as well as fingerprint sensor for security. There are many other security features as well. For those operating in a combat zone, there is a stealth boot mode (no sound or light). A dock is available, and several other accessories. Uses Microsoft Vista, the XR-1 will ship this Fall. Prices start at $4,400. The perfect Christmas gift for any trooper in the sandbox. There are competing models available at lower prices, but the XR-1 is, for a few months, the top of the line.
Posted by: Sherry || 08/28/2006 16:24 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The new GoBook XR-1 is what young infantry officers are going to be lusting after

Things must have really changed at Fort Benning's bldg #4 and the "I Bar."

Posted by: Besoeker || 08/28/2006 16:30 Comments || Top||

#2  I hope got Fred got paid for this posting.
Posted by: Shush Sholuth7794 || 08/28/2006 23:41 Comments || Top||


As humans watch, elephants answer distress 'trunk' call
Raipur, India

A herd of elephants led by example and proved that a friend in need is a friend indeed. This is a lesson that humans could well learn.

An elephant while moving in a maize field in Gailunga village of Raigarh district fell into a well on Sunday.

On hearing its agonised trumpeting, the rest of the herd located their fallen comrade in a well that was still under construction. The cries of distress brought the humans out as well but apart from a lot of hand wringing, they gave up on the animal.

But the herd had other ideas. The well was about 15 feet deep but as it was under construction it didn't have a parapet. There was also a rough passage on one side of the well.

One of the elephants stood at the edge of the well and joined trunks with the one inside. The other elephants lined up behind the leader and in a tail tug-of-war helped pull their fallen friend outside.
Posted by: john || 08/28/2006 16:09 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Arkport native questions seriousness of avian flu threat
Arkport native Chuck Simmins isn't buying all the hype surrounding avian flu, and he's a little concerned about how one local municipality is preparing for it.

Simmins, 51, is a semi-professional blogger now living in Irondequoit.
Posted by: Throluting Whineth3496 || 08/28/2006 11:42 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Chuck comments here, and he and I have disagreed on a number of issues relating to bird. He is right about the importance of hand washing and getting a regular flu vax, but he then goes on to perpetuate a couple of myths.

Simmins, said only N95 masks can prevent infection.

Nonsense. The reason hand washing is important is that people unconciously touch the mucous membranes of the face, all the time, tranferring the virus to where it can infect the body. Any mask, even a homemade one will prevent this because it is a physical barrier.

SARS did not peter out. It was contained by quite draconian measures, including forced isolation.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/28/2006 21:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Nonetheless. Woo hoo! One of ours is famous!!

Only what is a "semi-professional blogger"?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/28/2006 21:31 Comments || Top||

#3  It makes sense for local governments to stock up on several items: disposable rubber gloves, ordinary ear loop masks, clear plastic glasses, and hand sanitizer.

The reason being that we assume that our medical system will be overwhelmed--not hard really, because it has very little reserve of anything. This means that most people will be stuck at home.

A very useful and effective thing a local government can do is to organize a large number of people to go door-to-door, to check on the well-being of the residents. Fortunately, most people today have phones, so phone banks will help this situation a lot.

They visitors wear long sleeved garments, ear loop masks, eyeglasses and they keep their distance.

Every day they check each house and apartment where no one has answered the phone, noting which ones have sick people, calling for emergency help if needed, and arranging for body recovery when a death happens. In extreme situations, they may even deliver emergency food rations.

Since animals may also be affected, they notify for pick up of any dead or stray animals they see.

The clear glasses and ear loop masks keep out virus-carrying large droplets, and the gloves and hand sanitizer are in case they have to touch something. (Most people need to be taught to sanitize their gloves after use.)

They may even each carry some small plastic bags and rubber bands to put over their shoes in case they have to walk through something, like vomit.

They serve all sorts of uses: handing out information and local news, giving vaccinations when they become available, detecting early-stage symptoms so they can advise the family to set up a sick room and avoid that family member for a while, and posting quarantine signs.

Fortunately, most cities have automated garbage pick-up, which gets rid of the sudden surge in medical waste safely. Chlorinated water is also a big plus.

The bottom line is that America hasn't seen a real killer flu since the Spanish flu, and no major deadly epidemic since WWII. So what we do today will be a combination of what worked way back when, but using the tools available to us today.

It will, however, still be like nothing we can imagine.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/28/2006 22:23 Comments || Top||

#4  #3 'Moose: "The bottom line is that America hasn't seen a real killer flu since the Spanish flu, and no major deadly epidemic since WWII."

I was doing some research on pandemics recently, and discovered that the flu epidemics of 1957 (I think - don't have the data with me) and 1968 were considered pandemics - though they killed in the low millions worldwide instead of the 50 to 100 million killed by the 1918 epidemic.

I was just 11 years old in 1957, but I'm surprised I don't remember the 1968 epidemic, when I was in college. Of course, it's possible the news just didn't report it as an epidemic to prevent panic (something they'd never do now).

I can attest to the effectiveness of hand sanitizer (Purell, etc.) in killing germs. Since I started using it a lot, particularly in winter, I haven't had a cold in years (knock wood). I make it a conscious habit not to touch my face until I've used it, whenever I shake hands with anyone, put my hands on public door handles, elevator buttons, etc., or handle money - especially money. Handwashing with soap is great, but rarely available at the checkout. I buy a huge jug at Sam's or Costco and keep refilling my smaller bottles (office, purse, rescue gear).

I've attended some good training re: pandemics in the last month, plus done some research, as I said. It's a good idea for localities to stockpile masks, gloves, etc. These things will help if/when a pandemic arrives. I think at least some governments (cities, states, feds) are making some good preparations, but the weak link is that most businesses still haven't even thought about how they'll be able to continue functioning during a pandemic, let alone put together a business survival plan (which should include planning to function with up to 50% absenteeism for an extended period, and a fair number of deaths).

As 'Moose says, "It will, however, still be like nothing we can imagine."

I'm not looking forward to it.

Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/28/2006 23:26 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Contracting - Saudi-Style
The Shepherd Who Lost His Voice
You might have seen films or flipped through comic strips about the adventures of Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs. Tarzan could communicate with animals but not with humans after having lived with apes and other denizens of the forest.

Muhammad Iqbal, an Indian expatriate, too could not communicate with humans after tending camels for 13 years in the desert of Al-Summan in the Thumama district near Riyadh. Then, following a chance encounter with his own compatriot, he slowly regained his voice and his memory. He then realized, “I have only milk to live on and no money.” And thereby hangs a tale.

Iqbal, who hails from a district in the north Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, came to Riyadh in 1993 to work as a camel herd for his Saudi sponsor. Soon he was packed off to Al-Summan, where he tended camels and drank their milk. He was practically cut off from human contact. His exposure to camels enabled him to communicate with those animals, responding to their likes and dislikes, and carry on a symbiotic living. He had also become a denizen of the desert.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  His exposure to camels enabled him to communicate with those animals, responding to their likes and dislikes, and carry on a symbiotic living.

You still have to be careful when talking to him. He tends to spit a lot.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/28/2006 0:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Wonder if he ever in the 13 years took a wife.
Posted by: Gliting Jinenter9646 || 08/28/2006 13:15 Comments || Top||


Fresh case filed against Mexican gang
Dubai: The Al Ghusais Police has filed a fresh case against a Mexican gang. According to court sources, the four suspects will face a new trial at the Dubai Court of First Instance after Al Ghusais Police filed a fresh case against the gang on charges of stealing from residential villas. The gang of four identified as J.J., R.L., J.R. and A.M. were sentenced last month to three months in jail and deportation.

The Dubai Public Prosecution appealed against the verdict. The two cases will now be heard by the end of this month. The defence lawyer told Gulf News earlier that evidence against his clients was "weak".

In March, police busted the gang for stealing laptops, computer equipment and other valuable electronic appliances and jewellery from villas while their occupants were away. Police arrested the suspects after setting a trap, following a number of complaints of burglary. The gang also used to send the stolen jewellery by cargo to an Asian country where the wife of one suspect owns a jewellery shop.
Posted by: Fred || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What in hell is a Mexican gang doing in Dubai ? How did they get there ? How could they function speaking espanol ? This is as weird as the Paki-waki in Switzerland.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 08/28/2006 0:59 Comments || Top||

#2  What in hell is a Mexican gang doing in Dubai?

Doing work Arabs won't do?
Posted by: Pappy || 08/28/2006 1:23 Comments || Top||

#3  LOLOLOL!

Pappy, that's awesome!
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 1:26 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't think Pappy was joking. A lot of the manual labor in the Emirates is done by people from "Somewheres else." And I'm not talking about alternate dimensions. Although if such are discovered I expect the managers of the UAE to attempt to hire from there too.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/28/2006 1:31 Comments || Top||

#5  A fine play on words, nonetheless, Oh Hairy One.

Indeed, the servants outnumber the citizens in the UAE. I've been there many times - going back to the day when "Chicago Beach" was the place to score BA stews...
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 1:36 Comments || Top||

#6  How long ago was that TU? The prevailing stew profile for BA is gays and matrons.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 08/28/2006 2:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Mexicans? How did they get there?

it all started when back in the 1400s when Spain sent....
Posted by: Prop 187 || 08/28/2006 2:20 Comments || Top||

#8  LOL, CL. 20 years ago it was tall cool blondes and green-eyed redheads - of the female gender. :)
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 2:45 Comments || Top||

#9  I joked about alternate dimensions, but I just remembered that they are building a spaceport there.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/28/2006 10:24 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Protests Spread in Bangladesh
Protests spread as thousands of farmers took to the streets across northern Bangladesh yesterday over the shooting deaths of at least five people protesting an open-pit coalmine in the region, officials said. Hundreds of paramilitary and police stood guard outside coalmining firm Asia Energy in Phulbari where security forces allegedly shot into a crowd of protesters Saturday who tried to storm the offices. More than 50 people were injured, police said. At least 10 of the injured are critical and receiving treatment locally, hospital staffers said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
Scots PC Police: Did Keith Smoke Tobacco?
Just think, if he smoked them he must've had a fire-making device! Danger! And, being a nefarious type, I'll bet he probably owns some pointed sticks, too!
Keef faces cigarette rap
Keith Richards is used to an occasional run-in with the police, most notably drug charges during the 60s and 70s, but his law-breaking days appeared to be behind him. But the legendary rock band's guitarist is now being investigated by Glasgow city council after it received reports that he had broken Scotland's smoking ban.

Council officials confirmed yesterday they are to launch an inquiry to whether the Stones' axeman lit up on stage at Glasgow's Hampden Park last Friday night when the band played there in their Bigger Bang European tour.

A city spokesman said: "This has been brought to our attention and we will be looking into it. Glasgow city council takes its responsibility for enforcing the smoking ban very seriously." The law came into force in March and bans smoking in enclosed public places. Its aim is to reduce the health damage caused by second-hand tobacco smoke. Environmental officers are responsible for enforcing the ban and inspections.

Richards is one of rock's true hell-raisers and known for his consumption of stimulants including tobacco, but was recently in the news for an operation on his skull after falling from a tree in May, causing the legendary band to cancel some tour dates.

If found guilty of smoking, Richards would have to pay a £50 fine. The manager of any premises who allows others to smoke can also be fined £200.

The investigation by Glasgow comes after actor Mel Smith was prevented from lighting a cigar as part of a theatre show. The comedian, playing Winston Churchill in a show at the Edinburgh Fringe, had threatened to ignore the law and light up during the performance. Instead the Smith and Jones star picked up the cigar and lighter props before putting them down again unused.
"Off with his head!"
"Will anyone notice?"
"No, er, probably not."
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And everyone else at the Rolling Stones rock concert smoked absolutely nothing.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/28/2006 0:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Q: What does it mean when Kieth Richards drools out of both sides of his mouth?

A: The stage is level.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/28/2006 0:45 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL, Zenster!
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 0:52 Comments || Top||

#4  bwhahaha cold but accurate Zenster. :)
Posted by: djohn66 || 08/28/2006 0:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Don't be so petty. Smokin' on stage is nothin'. Be thankful he didn't drop drawer and take a leak on stage.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 08/28/2006 1:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Zenster levitates! :-)


The law came into force in March and bans smoking in enclosed public places. Its aim is to reduce the health damage caused by second-hand tobacco smoke. Environmental officers are responsible for enforcing the ban and inspections.

second-hand tobacco smoke is a third rate scam
Posted by: RD || 08/28/2006 2:27 Comments || Top||

#7  True, RD. The Global Warming Global Cooling Climate Change scam of the We Need To Fix You nanny-state crowd. When they realized that the tobacco companies had deep pockets is when the anti-smoking game grew legs.
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 2:50 Comments || Top||

#8  but was recently in the news for an operation on his skull after falling from a tree in May,

Another example of how rumour morphs into fact. An Australian reporter called up the resort and confirmed he fell out of a hammock. The original story was he fell out of a coconut palm. A healthy teenager would find climbing a coconut palm a serious challenge, never mind a 60 year old man.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/28/2006 6:52 Comments || Top||

#9  “If found guilty of smoking, Richards would have to pay a £50 fine.”

Where in the world is someone of Richards modest income going to come up with that kind of cash?
Posted by: DepotGuy || 08/28/2006 10:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Bet if Kieth wanted to shoot up on stage there'd be somebody from the Glasgow City Council there to hand him a clean needle...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/28/2006 10:55 Comments || Top||

#11  But there's no 2nd hand smoke from shooting up, unless you consider vomit on the same level.
Posted by: Perfesser || 08/28/2006 13:47 Comments || Top||

#12  I'd pass on the comments of amy Scots ex-pat friend, but to tell the truth, I have no idea what the phrase "those loopy gits" actually means.
Posted by: mojo || 08/28/2006 17:50 Comments || Top||

#13  loopy - crazy, stupid, dim-witted, retarded (aka 'mental')
gits - contemptible, stupid and/or unpleasant person
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/28/2006 18:02 Comments || Top||


Dig unearths round table evidence at Windsor Castle
Evidence of a building linked to the myth of King Arthur and the knights of the round table has been found at Windsor Castle.

The circular structure was built by Edward III in the 14th century to house the round table intended to seat the original 300 Knights of the Garter. Archaeological proof of the building was uncovered by members of Channel 4's Time Team in the castle's quadrangle.

Although the stones have been removed, rubble in-fill where they were originally located remained in place. The show's presenter, Tony Robinson, said the discovery could help settle years of debate among historians over the existence of the building. "The round table building is one of our most significant ever archaeological finds. It is something that helped to establish Arthurian legends of the knights of the round table.

"We set out to uncover the walls of the building, and they are just where we hoped. Experts have speculated about the structure for centuries, but they have never been able to find the actual building."

It was one of several remarkable finds made by archaeologists given unprecedented access to three Royal residences.

At Buckingham Palace, finds ranged from a small piece of pre-Roman flint to a gold earring or piece of necklace, possibly from the Victorian era. Experts also found a stoneware beer mug probably thrown away by workmen landscaping the gardens in about 1700.

At Holyroodhouse, the Queen's official Scottish residence, a 17th or 18th century seal, probably used to stamp wax on documents, was uncovered.

The digs were allowed to go after months of negotiations with representatives of the Royal family. A spokesman for Buckingham Palace said all the findings will be catalogued and the survey results will be added to the Royal archive at Windsor.
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Aha ! Verification for Knights of the Roundtable !
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 08/28/2006 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, England's in trouble and only Arthur can unite the country.

our legend's better than you legend, nutjob.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 08/28/2006 1:27 Comments || Top||

#3  "Beer mug" - is there anything in history it wasn't a part of!? Is there anything that Homer Simpson's beloved donuts can't do?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/28/2006 1:28 Comments || Top||

#4  As Zen and .com have pointed out - it's The Order of the Garter that's gotta go - and damned quick.
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 1:38 Comments || Top||

#5  As Zen and .com have pointed out - it's The Order of the Garter that's gotta go - and damned quick.

.com's line actually, and I do believe both he and I intend that only to refer to how we fight the war on terrorism, not general life.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/28/2006 3:15 Comments || Top||

#6  We're Knights of the Round Table,
We dance when ere we're able,
We do routines and chorus scenes
With footwork impeccable.
We dine well here in Camelot,
We eat ham and jam and spam a lot.
We're Knights of the Round Table,
Our show are formidable,
But many times, we're given rhymes
That are quite unsingable.
We're Opera mad in Camelot,
We sing from the diaphragm
a looooooot.
In war we're tough and able,
Quite indefatigable,
Between our quests we sequin vests,
And impersonate Clark Gable.
It's a busy life in Camelot,
I have to push the pram a lot.

[/MP]
Posted by: Zenster || 08/28/2006 4:38 Comments || Top||

#7  Aha ! Verification for Knights of the Roundtable !

Yeah, but it's Baldric.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/28/2006 5:22 Comments || Top||

#8  Severe assertion/evidence mismatch. 14th Century is 800-900 years too late for Arthur, and Windsor Castle is nowhere near the right location.
Posted by: Fleart Whavise4312 || 08/28/2006 14:16 Comments || Top||

#9  300 knights at 2' per knight is a diameter of 191'. Mark me sceptical.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#10  Edward III's Knights of the Garter in the High Middle Ages are not the same as the Dark Ages' King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table. That the former may well have been copied after the legends of the latter has nothing to do the results of this dig. When will reporters learn to think!
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/28/2006 14:34 Comments || Top||

#11  Apparently Channel 4's Time Team (sounds like superhero wannabes to me) are much like statisticians. They can manipulate the data to reflect whatever strikes their fancy.
Posted by: Vickerina || 08/28/2006 15:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Knights of this order are of the very highest rank amongst "Sirs"

The Oldest and Highest British Order of Chivalry, founded in 1348 by Edward III.

The Order consists of Her Majesty The Queen who is Sovereign of the Order, His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales and 24 Knights Companions.


Royal Knights

HM Queen Elizabeth
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh 1947
HRH The Prince of Wales 1958
HRH The Duke of Kent 1985
HRH The Princess Royal 1994
The Duke of Gloucester 1997


Extra Knights and Ladies

HRH The Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg 1972
HM Queen Margrethe of Denmark 1979
HM King Carl Gustaf of Sweden 1983
HM King Juan Carlos of Spain 1988
HM Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands 1983
The Emperor of Japan 1998
HM King Harald of Norway 2001
HRH Princess Alexandra, The Hon. Lady Ogilvy 2003

Knight and Lady Companions

The Duke of Grafton 1976
The Lord Richardson of Duntisbourne 1983
The Lord Carrington 1985
The Duke of Wellington 1990
Field Marshal the Lord Bramall 1990
Sir Edward Heath 1992
The Viscount Ridley 1992
The Lord Sainsbury of Preston Candover 1992
The Rt Hon Sir Ninian Stephen 1994
The Lord Kingsdown 1994
The Lord Ashburton 1994
The Baroness Thatcher 1995
Sir Edmund Hillary 1995
Sir Timothy Colman 1996
The Duke of Abercorn 1999
Sir William Gladstone, Bt 1999
Field Marshal The Lord Inge 2001
Sir Antony Acland 2001
The Duke of Westminster 2003
The Right Honourable Lord Butler of Brockwell 2003
The Right Honourable Lord Morris of Aberavon 2003
The Right Honourable The Lady Soames 2005
The Right Honourable Sir John Major 2005
The Lord Bingham of Cornhill 2005
Posted by: john || 08/28/2006 16:21 Comments || Top||

#13  The origin of the symbol of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, a blue 'garter' with the motto Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense will probably never be known for certain as the earliest records of the order were destroyed by fire, however the story goes that at a Ball possibly held at Calais, Joan Countess of Salisbury dropped her garter and King Edward seeing her embarrassment picked it up and bound it about his own leg saying in French, Evil, (or shamed) be he that that thinks evil of it' this is almost certainly a later fiction. This fable appears to have originated in France and was, perhaps, invented to try and bring discredit on the Order. There is a natural unwillingness to believe that the World's foremost Order of Chivalry had so frivolous a beginning.

It is thought more likely that as the garter was a small strap used as a device to attach pieces of armour, it might have been thought appropriate to use the garter as a symbol of binding together in common brotherhood.
Posted by: john || 08/28/2006 16:24 Comments || Top||

#14  Oh-oh, Another group with Queen Elizabeth at the head.... Lyndon LaRouche must be salivating ....
Posted by: BigEd || 08/28/2006 16:29 Comments || Top||


Poll: SNP set to seize power at Holyrood
Translated from English to American, that means that the Scottish National Party is planning to vote a measure for independence in the Scottish Parliament if they win the next election.
ALEX Salmond is on track to take Scotland to the brink of independence, according to a startling new poll which shows the SNP has opened up a clear lead over Labour. With just eight months to go until the Holyrood elections, the party has established a four-point lead over its nearest rivals, and appears to be pulling away.

The SNP claims that if the poll result was repeated at voting booths next year it would eradicate Labour's majority at the Scottish Parliament. If Salmond becomes First Minister, he has pledged to introduce a bill for an independence referendum within 100 days of taking up office.

The poll is the first major test of public opinion in Scotland since Tony Blair incensed many within his own party over his support for Israel during the conflict in Lebanon. Both the two main parties in Scotland that oppose Blair's foreign policy, the SNP and Liberal Democrats, appear to have gained as a result, with Labour well down on their 2003 showing.

Polling experts said the results confirmed that next year's election race would be the closest yet for control of the Scottish Parliament.

In an interview with Scotland on Sunday today, the SNP leader set out his plans for his first few weeks in office, declaring he will govern with "a hard head and a soft heart".

But Labour insisted that once voters had assessed the cost of separating from the rest of the UK, support for the SNP would dissipate.

The poll, conducted by Scottish Opinion, asked 1,000 Scots who they intended to support next year. It did not, however, break the question down into first and second votes to reflect the Scottish electoral system. Scottish Opinion carried out the poll to determine the correct balance of public opinion on focus groups which it carries out for the SNP. The party passed a copy of its findings to this newspaper.

A total of 58% expressed a preference for a political party. Of those, 33% said they supported the SNP, up from the 24% who backed them in 2003. Labour secured 29% of support, down six percentage points from 2003. The Liberal Democrats won 19%, up four points. The Tories have slumped to 10%, down seven points. The Greens are on 5%.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Article: But Labour insisted that once voters had assessed the cost of separating from the rest of the UK, support for the SNP would dissipate.

I'm sure there'll be a cost, in terms of social welfare programs. In other words, England will be better off without having to subsidize Scotland.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/28/2006 1:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Yup. You have to wonder if the Tories are subsidizing the SNP in this. Repaeal the Act of Union NOW!
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 7:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Does anyone else find this hypocritical?
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/28/2006 9:22 Comments || Top||

#4  I mean, when you get right down to it, these guys are just tranzis who don't want an independent Israel or a truly independent Lebanon...
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/28/2006 9:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Far better off ZF, faaar better off. Putting it bluntly, the Socialist Swine masquerading as the Labour party would be - fucked. They got about 40 seats from Scotland in the last general election (2005) and the Conservatives hardly ever get a showing north of the border.

Some more details on the 2005 election., and check out the sea of blue in England (blue = Conservative over here).
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/28/2006 10:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Is that the reason there's a Scottish parlaiment and a Welsh one but not an English one?
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/28/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#7  It would be sort of dumb to have an English parliament. The purpose of the Scottish and Welsh parliaments is to take money from the English to give to the Scots and Welsh to support their quaint cultures. Why should they take it from themselves to give to themselves. Espeically since they aren't quaint.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 11:43 Comments || Top||

#8  Except in the Cotswolds. Where, in my experience, a bunch are also anti-American.
Posted by: lotp || 08/28/2006 12:15 Comments || Top||

#9  The labour party aint called the Scottish Raj for no reason.

Now IF Scotland becomes independant, then England goes Conservative because only the votes of those areas which benefit from Englands over-taxed serfs keep labour in power!
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 08/28/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#10  Which is why ZaNuLabour will fight tooth and nail to stymie the SNP.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/28/2006 14:13 Comments || Top||

#11  ...IIRC, isnt one of the senior leaders of the SNP - albeit financially and mostly behind the scenes - is Sir Sean Connery. Could be kind of interesting to see if they approach him to take a more up-front role in things.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 08/28/2006 15:49 Comments || Top||

#12  SCOTS wha hae wi' Wallace bled,
Scots wham Bruce has often led,
Welcome to your gory bed,
On to Victory!
Posted by: Scotty || 08/28/2006 17:31 Comments || Top||

#13  This has absolutely nothing to do with William Wallace or Robert the Bruce.

OTOH, I'm sure Edward Longshanks would be proud of them.
Posted by: Phil || 08/28/2006 17:58 Comments || Top||

#14  Curiously enough, the North Sea oil fields are all off the coast of Scotland (near Aberdeen).
Posted by: DMFD || 08/28/2006 18:15 Comments || Top||

#15  But they're declining, FWIW.
Posted by: lotp || 08/28/2006 19:42 Comments || Top||

#16  This mean that the SNP would either ultimately:

A) Declare Scotland a republic.

B) Restore the fun and excitement of the Dual Monarchy (1603-1707), which I am sure would really thrill the Royals.

C) Restore the Stuarts, which would involve pleading with an elderly German bachelor to become their King.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht%2C_Duke_of_Bavaria

This should entertain...
Posted by: Ernest Brown || 08/28/2006 21:46 Comments || Top||

#17  Oops, wrong Duke!
Posted by: Ernest Brown || 08/28/2006 21:49 Comments || Top||


Europe
Gays could be granted church weddings
Why you don't want to be a STATE Church

Homosexuals will be able to marry in church if the Swedish government follows the suggestion of a report due to be presented next year.

The report will suggest ditching the civil partnership law and allowing church weddings for gay people, according to Swedish public service broadcaster SVT.

One in ten priests in the Church of Sweden has signed a protest against allowing homosexuals to marry in church.
Many others in the former state church have said they are in favour.

The report suggests each priest should be able to choose himself whether to he wants to marry a homosexual couple.

According to a survey to which the report refers, some 46 percent of Swedes are positive to gay marriage, while 31 percent are negative. About 23 percent are undecided.

A poll done by the report showed that 84 percent of Swedes felt a religious body should be able to decide for itself whether it wanted to perform such marriages.

Christian Democrat Yvonne Andersson, who took part in the reports reference group, is critical to the recommendation.

“Less than half o the people support homosexual marriage and you still want to carry it out,” she said. “I am disappointed that the report is so nonchalant about the opinion.”

The suggestion is welcomed by Arthur Thiery, head of Riks-Ekho, an association for Christian homosexuals.

“Those of us who have entered a civil union would have chosen to marry if the opportunity had existed,” he said, according to SVT. “The important thing for us is that marriage in church is upheld. We don’t want to do away with the church ceremony.”
Posted by: 3dc || 08/28/2006 18:37 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  America -> your future.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/28/2006 18:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I can see why so many Swedes are quietly embracing the Asatru (Aesir) religion in favor of that dour version of Lutheranism. They say about half the houses in rural Sweden already have some household gods sitting around.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/28/2006 21:54 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Biden needs a history lesson "Delaware a slave state"

In the YJCMTSU section today:
Sen. Joseph Biden says he can hold his own in a 2008 presidential primary against Democratic contenders from the South, noting that his home state of Delaware was a "slave state." Biden dismissed the notion that he was a "Northeastern liberal" who would have a poor showing in the South against other likely contenders such as Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee.

"Better than anybody else," Biden said, when asked on "Fox News Sunday" to rate his chances of winning Southern states. "You don't know my state," he said. "My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth-largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a Northeast liberal state." The last three Democrats to win the presidency — Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson — came from the southern states of Arkansas, Georgia and Texas, respectively.

Um Senator Biden the CSA was made up of the following 13 States:
South Carolina (December 20, 1860)
Mississippi (January 9, 1861)
Florida (January 10, 1861)
Alabama (January 11, 1861)
Georgia (January 19, 1861)
Louisiana (January 26, 1861)
Texas (February 1, 1861)
Virginia (April 17, 1861)
Arkansas (May 6, 1861)
Tennessee (May 7, 1861)
North Carolina (May 20, 1861)
Missouri (October 31, 1861)
Kentucky (November 20, 1861)

Is Biden really from Delaware or is he a Rove plant? I mean really what politician wants to wrap himself in the Confederate flag?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/28/2006 10:21 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sorry wrong category
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/28/2006 10:33 Comments || Top||

#2  border state? how about a geography lesson?
Posted by: Frank G || 08/28/2006 10:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Well it is below the Mason-Dixon line.
Posted by: 6 || 08/28/2006 10:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Delaware WAS a slave state. It was not a Confederate state. IE it was identical to Maryland in that regard. And effectively similar to Kentucky, despite the Confederacy recognizing Kentucky as a Confed state, based mainly on wishful thinking, IIUC.

Deleware, is therefore, normally considered a border state. Though it had fewer slaves than Md or Kentucky, and it provided troops to the North but not the South, unlike Md which had about equal numbers of volunteers on each side. So Delaware was about the most northern leaning of the border states, and today is pretty much a northeastern state in its politics, at least as much as Maryland and much more so than Virginia. So Biden is stretching things a bit, but on the historical question hes right.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 08/28/2006 11:07 Comments || Top||

#5  The North lost the coin toss at the start of the Civil War, so they got Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/28/2006 11:09 Comments || Top||

#6  I think what Joe meant to say is that Delaware, a state with the 8th largest black population, is currently a Plantation State run by white liberal Democrats with the consent of a majority of the black population.
Posted by: Mark Z || 08/28/2006 11:15 Comments || Top||

#7  On this matter, Slow Joe is technically correct: slavery was legal (though not widespread) in Delaware right up until the 13th Amendment went into effect.

More info at slavenorth.com...

Posted by: Dave D. || 08/28/2006 11:16 Comments || Top||

#8  Well it is below the Mason-Dixon line.

Yeah, but do they have Waffle House?

I figure you could be in the South if you can drive north down the highway and reach a Waffle House. (Weirdly, where I live in Maryland, that fits.)
Posted by: eLarson || 08/28/2006 11:37 Comments || Top||

#9  LW, I will concede that Delaware was a slave state but nobody will ever confuse it with a "Souther State" and I thougth I would never a modern politician speak of slavery as a positive. Kind of like saying: "My ancestors owned them, so I know whats best for them." I think his mouth kept running when his brain turned off.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/28/2006 11:45 Comments || Top||

#10  Missouri was a border state also. That's why St. Louis and Baltimore are not in counties.

But they do not have a Stuckey's in Delaware.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 11:47 Comments || Top||

#11  Delaware is sort of like Maryland; All the business sense of the South and the hospitality of the north.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 11:48 Comments || Top||

#12  Ouch.
Posted by: Bobby || 08/28/2006 12:23 Comments || Top||

#13  Given that this is Joe Biden we're talking about, it's possible he just ripped off a speech by Mark Warner and forgot to update the details.
Posted by: WhitecollarRedneck || 08/28/2006 12:23 Comments || Top||

#14  cold, NS. Accurate, but cold.
Posted by: lotp || 08/28/2006 12:28 Comments || Top||

#15  missouris is considered a border state, but the confed claim it had seceded makes a bit more sense, since the Mo legislature DID support seccession. But the convention called to declare secession opposed it, and so when Missouris own civil war broke out, the convention was declared by the Union to be the rightful govt of Missouri.

IIUC Baltimore is seperate from Balt County cause in the 19th c Balt was wealthy, the rural areas were poor, and so the city wanted to secede from the county for fiscal reasons, and had enough clout in Annapolis to pull it off. Kinda ironic how that one turned out, huh? :)


Re: Biden Hes not saying slavery was at all good, or that he knows whats best for black folk. Hes responding to folks who say the Dems can only win with a southerner at the head of the ticket, and giving that as a reason to nominate Warner or Gore or Clark, by saying "hey, Im a southerner too". If somebody says that sitting US Senators rarely win, he'll probably try to explain that hes not really a US Senator, or something. ;)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 08/28/2006 13:38 Comments || Top||

#16  Delaware is too small for a state. So is Road Island. They should share one senator.
Posted by: wxjames || 08/28/2006 13:43 Comments || Top||

#17  I'd say Delaware is suffering from simple:

SLAVERY WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/28/2006 13:53 Comments || Top||

#18  Thanks, lh. I had learned it was because of the Civil War.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 13:56 Comments || Top||

#19  may very well be true for St Louis, NS, I know nothing about that, and Missouris civil war history is a lot wilder than Marylands.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 08/28/2006 14:56 Comments || Top||

#20  Nope, Wikipedia said the St. Louis vote was 1876 and the Balto. vote 1851. Carson City is the other one, together with all 39 cities in Virginia that are not in counties.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/28/2006 15:45 Comments || Top||

#21  Joe knows what he's talking about this time.
http://www.slavenorth.com/delaware.htm
Posted by: Darrell || 08/28/2006 17:08 Comments || Top||

#22  That Missouri "Boot heal" was no accident. Lots of post-Civil War history in them parts as well. None of it good.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/28/2006 17:10 Comments || Top||

#23  I want Delaware to be a chocolate state!
Posted by: Mayor Nagin || 08/28/2006 18:18 Comments || Top||

#24  MMMmmmm, Chocolate.
Posted by: Homer Simpson || 08/28/2006 18:18 Comments || Top||

#25  Meanwhile, FREEREPUBLIC.com > a Mexican flag is raised over a Californey USPO. Dare the Motherly Commie Airborne = UN Peacekeeping Force save the delicious tortillas of separatist Mexifornia!? Mexifornia must be saved, even iff the Chicoms have to reluctantly, sadly, but only necessarily and only PC coincidentally, have to exterminate 200 Zilyuhn Fascist = errorful Limited Commmunist Amerikans, including Mexifornians, to save Mexifornia from itself. * THEM FROM DRAGNET/TWILIGHT ZONE FOLLOWS. TRAITOROUS USPO'S IN THE WEST, DELAWARE, ETAL. IN THE EAST, SAVE US OLE' MIGHTY MOTHERLY COMMIE AIRBORNE!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/28/2006 22:06 Comments || Top||


Harris Clarifies Comments on Religion
U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws." The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.
Thank you for your opinion, Katherine. Goodbye.
Harris made the comments which she clarified Saturday in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues. Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."
Nope. Religion and politix are separate because religion is interpreted by holy men. We don't need shariah in this country, and we don't need the Inquisition. We don't need mandatory church attendance and we don't need tithes. Goodbye, Katherine. Enjoy your new career, whatever it is.
"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.
Some of us enjoy our occasional spot of sin. Some of us, in fact, consider ourselves fairly virtuous without adhering to Katherine's definition of sin. I enjoy an occasional beer with dinner and at least once a year I drink too much, becoming shamefully sloshed. I enjoy looking at pretty girls, the more scantily-clad the better. After five years of daily study, we're entirely too familiar here with the politix and culture of the NWFP to want to approximate it with a facsimile originating in the Ozarks or Pogo country.
Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.
"Stoopid" was the word that first sprang to my mind.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.
I'd guess Debbie doesn't want to be required to present herself at the local Baptist church every Sunday any more than I do.
Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government." The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.
I'd say her comments reflected appalling stupidity and that she's not the person I'd want representing me in the Senate. I hate seeing that seat go to a Democrat, but I still wouldn't vote for Katherine.
Reminds me of the choice I had last election for the Senate: Barack Obama, a very liberal but reasonable sounding guy, or the wingnut fool Alan Keyes. Had to hold my nose and shut my eyes as I punched out the chad for Mr. Obama, but that's what I did.
Posted by: Fred || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  she's an embarrassment
Posted by: Frank G || 08/28/2006 8:42 Comments || Top||

#2  I remember that quandary at the last election Dr. Steve. But at least Keyes is his own wingnut, whereas Obama is a bought-and-paid-for tool of the moonbats. When he talks, you can't even see their lips move.
Posted by: Spot || 08/28/2006 8:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Nice pic of her waving bye-bye to her Senate chances.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 08/28/2006 8:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Steve
Keyes is fun to listen to. Where is your sense of fun?
Posted by: 3dc || 08/28/2006 10:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Oh, Keyes was funny to listen to. But I wasn't going to vote for him, and I can't stand to leave a ballot blank.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/28/2006 10:28 Comments || Top||

#6  I'd still hit it even if she couldn't get my vote.

Obama vs. Keyes? I think I'd go with Keyes just because of the Cosby sweaters.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 08/28/2006 10:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Wait a minute. When did the term "seperation of church and state" become part of our constitution. Am I missing something? I may not agree with her behavior but at least she stated a fact that seperation of church and state is a lie.
Posted by: Art || 08/28/2006 11:10 Comments || Top||

#8  Well, both sides frame the debate incorrectly. The left frames it as a separation meaning no mention of God or religion in public life., i.e., freedom FROM religion. Harris' side frames it as no separation whatsoever, to the extent that Christianity becomes the de facto official religion. The truth is much more profound and practical: Freedom OF religion. No official state church, and no prohibition from exercising the religion of your choice. That's all it says. Read it for yourself.
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 08/28/2006 15:02 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm kinda leaning your way Art. I don't like here tactics but she is more right than wrong. After watching years of attempts by the ACLU to try to take down our Mt. Soledad War Memorial (which is a cross) on the basis of separation of church and state I have altered my opinion somewhat. The 1st Amendment says "Congress shall may no law respecting the establishment of religion" but it also goes on to say "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It is the second part of that first sentence that concerns me the most. Atheists/Agnostics are trying to prevent people (Christians in particular) from expressing their religious views everywhere. Whether it's a cross on a hill or teachings at school they believe Christianity should not be visible. And there's no evidence the founding fathers ever intended that. Here in California 4th graders have to learn about Islam. They pick an Islamic name and in some schools dress up in traditional Islamic garb. But just try to teach them the 10 commandments and the ACLU will be on you like white on rice. In reality every lawmaker brings their personal beliefs to work with them whether they say it or not. They make judgement calls on right and wrong every day. And for most people those judgement calls are impacted by thier religious beliefs.
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 08/28/2006 15:22 Comments || Top||

#10  No, the Lefties started out decades ago as
"freedom from religion/freedom of worship", but now has become "There is no God/No God except Man and Government". Pragmatically, God = Faith is what induces both individuals-Society to become better than what they are. Secular Government = Law/Legalism tells the Masses what they can't do, God-Faith tells them what they can be. GOD-FAITH = UNIVERSAL/COMMON IDEALISMS-TRADITIONS = UNIVERSAL/COMMON INNOVATION = UNIV PROGRESS = UNIV UTOPIA/EQUALISM. The Failed Lefties are the Failed Lefties becuz, for all their talk of universal equalism, humanism, Libertarianism, Pluralism-Diversity, and universal anti-materialism/anti-property, GOVERNMENT-BUREAUCRATISM IS NEVER ALLOWED TO BE TRANSCENDED, I.E. BIGGER GOVERNMENT-BUREACRACY IS ALWAYS BETTER, AND MUST ALWAYS CONTROL. EVERYONE IS EQUAL WHEN NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHTS NOR IS ABLE TO DEFEND THEIR RIGHTS - you know, why Lefties [ideo]believe SOCIALISM = UNIVERSAL GOVERNMENTISM IS NOT REPRESSIVE. Is why RIGHTISM, NOT LEFISM, is the true path to UTOPIA - the Failed Lefties know it, which is why are RINOS-CINOS. Iff one accepts that the WOT = War against Islam-fascism = also a WAR AGAINST FASCISM, by definition any War against Fascism or forms of FASCISM/RIGHTIST SOCIALISM is also a War FOR its Antithesis = is WAR FOR COMMUNISM = LEFTIST SOCIALISM!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/28/2006 21:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Meds, JoJo, meds.
Posted by: Snosing Snoque7421 || 08/28/2006 22:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Border criminal brings rocks to gun fight
A U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot a man who was throwing rocks at officers from the Mexican side of the border late Saturday, officials said. The incident began after agents spotted a suspicious vehicle near the Andrade Port of Entry west of the California-Arizona border, just north of the international border and alongside the Colorado River.

The driver fled and then tried to swim across a pond along the river in an effort to return to Mexico, the agency said. But the man struggled to stay afloat, and agents began to try to rescue him. Several people on the other side of the border then began throwing rocks at the agents, and one officer was struck in the head. The officer then shot at a man who was getting ready to throw another rock, the Border Patrol said. Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died.

Attacks on Border Patrol agents have become more common in recent years. This year, agents say they're seeing smugglers become even more violent.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/28/2006 09:49 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Goliath couldn’t be reached for comment.
Posted by: Glinert Cromogum8898 || 08/28/2006 10:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Sympathy meter barely budged. Hmm.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 08/28/2006 23:11 Comments || Top||


Illegal invasions down 95% in sector with fencing
The number of vehicles illegally entering Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument from Mexico has dropped by more than 95 percent since 30 miles of vehicle barriers were completed in July. Managers of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge to the east hope a similar fencing project set for later this year will have the same effect. To the west, the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge is also set to receive the barriers.
Eventually, most of Arizona's border with Mexico will be lined with the barriers, some made of century-old railroad tracks welded into V's and planted in the ground every few feet. But it is not cheap: The 30-mile stretch at Organ Pipe cost about $13 million.

Managers of the wildlife refuges and national monument said the fragile ecology of the desert areas was being destroyed by thousands of illegal smugglers and criminal gangs border crossers and their vehicles. "The refuges on the Southwest border right now really are under siege," said Mitch Ellis, who oversees the Buenos Aires refuge. "That barrier down there will help us protect our habitat." More than 250,000 illegal entrants entered the refuge in 2004 and 2005 alone. More than 1,300 miles of illegal trails have been cut through the grassland, and abandoned cars and tons of trash dot the landscape.

But since it didn't stop 100%, it's a failure and there's no use even trying.
Posted by: Thravirt Gromonter4802 || 08/28/2006 09:45 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "That barrier down there will help us protect our habitat."

Not that murder, robbery, or rape of our citizens should be a real concern.
Posted by: Glinert Cromogum8898 || 08/28/2006 10:45 Comments || Top||

#2  excellent.

however, regarding the rape attempt, hell I thought being old would be a deterrent. When will we be safe?! Pretty desperate folks out there.
Posted by: Jan || 08/28/2006 11:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, you know Jan. When a man comes off the range, he's got a powerfull hankering for some feminine companionship. Them cows just don't stave off the urge.
Posted by: Gliting Jinenter9646 || 08/28/2006 12:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe not - but a lever action rifle definately will.
Posted by: Secret Master || 08/28/2006 16:22 Comments || Top||

#5  As they sneak across, give them a business suit, a new Lexus, and license to practice law in all 50 states. The problem will end in a fortnight.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/28/2006 16:36 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Al-Mawrid will forgive Hassan's attackers
The administration of Al-Mawrid Foundation has expressed concern over the attempted assassination of Islami scholar Syed Manzoorul Hassan and said that it was not still unclear if the incident was terrorism or a roadside robbery, Al-Mawrid would not retaliate and instead forgive the attackers if investigations revealed that it was indeed an act of terrorism. According to a press released issued by Al Mawrid Foundation on Sunday, the organisation has been researching Islam for the past several years and published several religious books. Al-Mawrid is recognised nationally and internationally. The administration said it had no enemies and would continue to research Islamic studies. Syed Manzoor ul Hassan was shot and injured by unidentified men on August 23 when he stepped out of his office in Model Town. He is currently critical in hospital, as the bullet that him has not been removed from his neck yet.
Posted by: Fred || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Science & Technology
Hurricane scrubs shuttle launch
Posted by: 3dc || 08/28/2006 10:22 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Southeast Asia
Muslim Convert Quizzed Over Dubious Meat
A large amount of frozen chicken and beef which did not carry the halal certification mark from the Brunei Islamic Religious Council, as well as pork were found kept in two freezers at a house in Jalan Kerma Negara in Kuala Belait. In the surprise inspection by the Halal Food Control Section Unit of the Syariah Department in Kuala Belait with the assistance of another unit from Bandar Seri Begawan at around 5pm yesterday, the officers found the pork, chicken and beef kept in one of two vehicles believed to be used by a food vendor - a female Muslim convert staying at the house.

The woman, aged 48, had been allegedly selling and supplying frozen meat to the public, especially at foreign workers quarters and work sites. The female suspect who is renting the house with her husband, children and her workers, also kept a quite a large quantity of goods listed as controlled items by the Customs Department. The goods included sugar and flour kept in the kitchen cabinet and various types of medicines kept in the bedroom and living room. A large quantity of empty tins, believed to have previously contained alcoholic drinks, was also found in a basket outside her house.
Posted by: ryuge || 08/28/2006 00:04 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sugar and Flour are controlled substances?
WTF?
Posted by: 3dc || 08/28/2006 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Obviously Unislamic ! Caught redhanded. Did they do the normal muzzie thing and stone her to death ?
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 08/28/2006 1:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Seems the "conversion" didn't take.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 08/28/2006 9:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Okay, non-halal chicken and beef, pork, sugar and flour (in the kitchen cabinet!), and various types of medicines. I confess: my home is a similar criminal den. Not sure I'd want any of those alcoholic drinks in tins, though.
Posted by: Darrell || 08/28/2006 9:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Wait! That's beer! Never mind.
Posted by: Darrell || 08/28/2006 9:40 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Kansas Hate Group Drowned Out in Oregon
Man -- this video took my breath away. Seeing is believing.

This is a video of the Phelps group showing up at Navy Seal Marc Lee's funeral yesterday in Oregon as Tim King Salem-News.com reveals his being an American in his report and his video as, "The harsh noise of this hate group was drowned out by music from a bagpipe intended to honor the dead, and their efforts accomplished nothing in the way of diminishing the purpose of the day."

Watch this video to get the real feeling of the hated so very evident. And, seeing the efforts of Americans like the Patriot Guard that works to protect our military families from this hatred. This is a report of their vial words being spewed at SEAL Marc Lee's funeral. This video needs to be seen. It caused me to get up from my chair at the computer, and step back, watching the scene. God love our veterans and Americans who are giving of their time, to protect families from this kind of hatred. I'm not for media giving these folks attention, but this kind of hatred just has to be viewed to believe. And his revealing that the Phelps are low on money, says, our folks are exhibiting the love and the patience at these funerals that keep additional lawsuits from happening.

Print report
(HOOD RIVER) - Hood River may not always be the quietest place in Oregon. It is a popular recreational area with plenty of boats on the water, and it is the place where Navy SEAL Marc Lee grew up. It’s also the place where Marc's Memorial was held Saturday, following his recent death in Iraq.

But a different kind of noise was in the air, it’s the last noise these people who came to say goodbye to a hero, wanted to hear.

A hate group from Kansas that disrupts military funerals drug American flags on the ground, carried anti-American and anti-gay signs, and did their best to harass people. None of the veteran’s whose funerals they picket were selected because they were gay.

Margie Phelps is the ringleader of the hate group from the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas.

People say there isn’t much they don’t hate, but they focus on being anti-gay. They claim that American military personnel are only dying in the wars overseas because America condones homosexuality.

Yes, the same nation that soundly defeated a recent gay marriage proposal.

The morning started peacefully, and at first it looked like the Westboro Baptist Church from Topeka, Kansas might be a no show. That’s what happened the last time they threatened to attend a funeral in Oregon, when Madras, Oregon laid Pf. Thomas Tucker, an Army Airborne Ranger, to rest.

But this event was prepared for the possible arrival of the dreaded right wing protestors from Kansas did arrive, a motorcycle group called the Patriot Guard showed up

Margie Phelps pelts vets with insults and desecrates flags
Along with other motorcycle groups and clubs, they have been making it to all of the northwest military funerals. For a while it looked like the show of force would center on supporting the family of Mark Lee, the reason everybody was there. They come from all backgrounds, most are veterans, and they are serious about supporting the families of those who have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They had their work cut out for them, and they had help from the locals. Then the alarm was sounded for uninvited guests.

MJ Kesterson is the mom of Blackhawk helicopter pilot Erik Kesterson who was killed in Mosul, Iraq in 2003. She said it was outrageous that anyone would fail to see the sacrifice her son and Marc Lee had made, “They wore those uniforms with pride. I’m extremely proud of my son for serving his country.”

And there, waiting to yell her beliefs in the face of everyone was Margie Phelps. As she began singing a mockery of the Navy song, veterans raised the noise level on her.

It was something about RPG’s and IOD’s and “die, die die die” sung to Anchors Away. The veterans surrounded the woman ahd held their flags high as they grimaced over the sounds she produced, as offensive and indecent as anything a person could imagine.

It sounded like two groups and first and plenty of people, but only about five members of the Westboro Church showed up. The word is that the group is running low on money, they’re traveling less

Scowling and yelling insults at the veterans, the Westboro Baptist Church members from Kansas showed their colors and many people said the outward hatred they profess seems contrary to anything like Christianity.

Confrontational right down to the last word, Margie Phelps hurled more insults than a bully on an elementary school playground. Any chance of making a sound point was lost as the irrational blabber droned on.

As Phelps continued pelting the veterans with insults, she also made a victim of an active duty Army soldier in uniform, “Hey, there’s an Army soldier, rape anybody lately?”

My longer than average hair earned the title of “ma’am” when she spoke to me. She called the veterans crybabies and said it was America’s fault that God was killing the servicemen. The video has much of her dialogue and that amounts to a collection of the most whacked out fundamentalist religious values that I’ve ever heard anyone try to lay down.

A plan was in place to drown the hate protestors out as the family and official party arrived. Motors revved and even the bagpiper came through to drown out the words of this Midwest hate group.

The family arrived and saw little to nothing of Phelps and her band of women with hate signs. They went on to bury Marc Lee without interruption from the unwanted group that was allowed to protest at a distance from where the actual service was held. For many, the protestors are simply baffling.

Phelps and her followers come in the wake of the Westboro Church reverend Fred Phelps. Word is he won’t go out in public because it’s too dangerous, imagine that?

While they say they like to be in the news, they only show their harsh hateful side and it seems important to expose this small, extreme right wing fundamental religious extremist group for what it is, anything but religious.

The harsh noise of this hate group was drowned out by music from a bagpipe intended to honor the dead, and their efforts accomplished nothing in the way of diminishing the purpose of the day.

Just click on the title and watch this video. extra hugs and thanks to our military folks for what doing what you do
Posted by: Sherry || 08/28/2006 00:06 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tim Smith later posted:
I admit that at Salem-News.com, this thing with the Westboro Baptist Church got a bit personal.

It is hard to draw the line on exactly where the role of a media group is with all of this, but as one, if not the only news organization in the country that is primarily staffed and operated by veterans, we feel it is our duty to sound the alarm, because the Westboro Baptist Church will be considered invaders by most people here, and their unsavory behavior is clearly not in Oregon’s good public interest.
Posted by: Sherry || 08/28/2006 1:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Is this for real - a fundamentalist religious group demonstrating at the funeral of a local boy-turned-hero whom died in the service of his country during a war/WOT that America is winning??? Can it be - do McGovernites still exist in America and the Dem Party, ala 1972???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/28/2006 1:24 Comments || Top||

#3  The Phelps group is a cult, not a religous organization.

See this for more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_phelps
Posted by: Been There, Done That || 08/28/2006 2:46 Comments || Top||

#4  When The Cleansing begins, it should begin with this lot.
Posted by: Threatch Unons6270 || 08/28/2006 3:15 Comments || Top||

#5  the have to travel the same roads as the rest of us, and as we know, there's accidents all the time, with people losing their lives

here's to hoping these animals are roadkill some day
Posted by: Frank G || 08/28/2006 8:46 Comments || Top||

#6  The group threatened to show up at a New Mexico funeral as well. Never showed. However, unlike the placid green hills of blue Oregon, NM is still the wild west where shoot'n irons are still nearby. Heck the local boys usually shoot it out after the bars close on the weekend just to keep in practice. Got to have something to do.
Posted by: Glinert Cromogum8898 || 08/28/2006 9:03 Comments || Top||

#7  I feel nauseated after seeing that... harpy.

The dignity of the people holding flags and doing their best for the family was something to see though.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/28/2006 9:04 Comments || Top||

#8  I've seen them in action in person. I don't know if I could refrain from bashing a few heads if I aee them again. I hopw with all my heart no one has to be subjected to those hate-mongers again.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/28/2006 10:08 Comments || Top||

#9  I've never seen them in person.
Thank God they weren't at the funeral for Danny Dietz.
Posted by: Jan || 08/28/2006 12:41 Comments || Top||

#10  These Phelpses are no McGovernites. They're a couple of extra steps down the road Pat Robertson was on when he blamed 9/11 on the US's toleration of gays, femnists and liberals. The same spot somewhere on the far side of the circle where the extreme left and the extreme right meet back up in the neighborhood of LaRouche and Farrakhan.
Posted by: Unomoter Elmiting6222 || 08/28/2006 14:10 Comments || Top||

#11  Good God Deacon, you have my sincere sympathies and respect for your self-control. I was almost losing it just watching the video.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/28/2006 14:15 Comments || Top||

#12  I thought a Federal law was passed preventing demonstrations of this type. Aren't these guys breaking the law?

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 08/28/2006 14:55 Comments || Top||

#13  Al -- they have to be so many ???? feet away (I foget the number) 500 maybe? But still can be there.
Posted by: Sherry || 08/28/2006 16:37 Comments || Top||

#14  Phelps used to be close to Al Gore and a supporter of Gore's political campaigns.
Posted by: DMFD || 08/28/2006 23:24 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
New Orleans Sets Home Gutting Deadline
NEW ORLEANS - City officials have set Tuesday - the storm's first anniversary - as the deadline for homeowners to gut or otherwise clean up their properties. "The city needs to do what it needs to do," councilman Arnie Fielkow said at a meeting Friday. People who don't comply with the deadline after being put on notice face a range of possible penalties, from liens being placed on their property to the seizure or destruction of homes.

The Lower Ninth Ward, one of the neighborhoods hardest hit by Katrina, is exempt from the gutting deadline, although residents will be expected to take care of their damaged houses by an unspecified future date. Others may be exempt, too, if they have an "acceptable" excuse, such as being on the list for a gutting service that hasn't gotten around to their property yet, according to the ordinance.

Enforcement could begin any time after Tuesday. That bothers Patricia Jones, who works at a recovery center. She said many people remain displaced or are waiting for checks or direction from city officials before deciding what they should do. And she wonders how the city will handle the open-ended deadline for the Lower Ninth, where she lived before Katrina. "The city hasn't even done their part in a year," she said, noting that many public schools remain closed and housing is still in short supply.

That's not an excuse, Lakeview resident Jim Roy said. Residents aren't being asked to rebuild by Tuesday, just to clean up and secure houses that could become health hazards. Roy said the city might be providing too many exceptions that may hinder the intent of the measure. "Give people a hard and fast date or they delay, delay, delay for one reason or another," he said.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thank God, my ancestors were willing to give up living in their respective areas in Europe and take a chance with just what they could carry to the "New World". You know there are times when you're given an opportunity to make a new future and not be mired in the past. This is one of them. Grab it by the throat and never look back.
Posted by: Glinert Cromogum8898 || 08/28/2006 8:56 Comments || Top||

#2  “The Lower Ninth Ward, one of the neighborhoods hardest hit by Katrina, is exempt from the gutting deadline…”

Even a category 5 Hurricane can’t wipe out the “Politics of Poverty” in La.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 08/28/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#3  In other words, the honkeys have one year to clean up their shit or have it confiscated by the man.
Posted by: Gliting Jinenter9646 || 08/28/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Operation Murambatsvina appears to be progressing as scheduled.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/28/2006 13:56 Comments || Top||



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